Keep in mind that in a local match, your computer is running both the client and logical server. If you were to join a server (for example FACEIT) and it were 128-tick-subtick, your performance would be better (probably only slightly, but still).
you know what happens to a community when their game gets more resource demanding? they get better computers... some people are way overdue for upgrading.
Nah lol. Fuck subtick. Valve reasoning for not giving CSGO 128 tick is that low end pcs couldn't run it. But then they go ahead and release CS2 a game that they know damn well least 20-30% of their player base in CSGO can't run. It's just Valve being cheap. Give us 128 tick, add an actual anti cheat, fix the game. Until then the game isn't worth playing.
Yeah its nuts. Havent played in like 6-7 months, as I was having trauma similar to how bad Valorants tick rate system is. It honeslty feels like a worse version of valorant, and idk why they're copying that horrible game.
128 tick for general knowledge was : Better Crosshair placement/Faster Accuracy/Fast Flick-shots(Inhuman Reactions),not just a JumpThrow.That is what you need when play,and what Valve MUST ADD in cs2 as well,otherwise... 128Tick meant more Skill/Reflexes/Precision. Now you just run with a fking MP7 without getting killed by a skilled awp-er. And that's not ALL,how many times have you died BEHIND a thick Wall?It happened to me in a match 2 times...that my friend is 64SubShitTick...thats why we NEED 128 at least for faceit/esea.I forgot to say also about the lagger with +100ping,instead of you having advantage of faster response,they kill ya first without even seeing them,or dmg them...
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im sorry but, i've played csgo on potato pc's, as well as on faceit, and the impact on frames is not enough to justify worse networking, i literally had a pc that couldn't run the updated dust 2 without lagspikes but i didn't feel that much of a difference in frames on 128 tick servers, and my old pc literally couldn't run cs2 without dropping below 10 frames around smokes. whilst yes there is a difference, it doesn't justify lack of 128 tick, as a minority in less than a single % would actually be unable to play on those servers, might be just that you're testing it on locally run servers which make your pc calculate everything as well as operate bots, which wouldn't be an issue in multiplayer play
I dont know I used to play mm only in csgo and I still feel like normal 64 tickrate movement and ak spray was better but yea the tapping feels better now
If I recall there's also the issue if your FPS drops below the tick rate it can cause excessive reg issues, like 128 tick and 100fps is worse than 64 tick for example. Currently the game is at a generational leap, similar to early early days of CSGO, where it's not uncommon for people to drop below 128. I think the best they could do to solve such an issue is having dynamic tick system with a limit of 128tick for those who can use it
Came here because i have valorant and cs2 on my laptop. Night and day difference. At 30 ms ping I still have packet drops on cs2 while valorant is buttery smooth 99% of the time
Cs2 is not working on my old pc properly and at first I was obviously angry. But then I remembered, My pc is 6 years old. So yesterday I bought 4090. I will be back.
@@saricubra2867 did you even watch video at all?, 128 tick on csgo worsened the performance by 10% imagine that on cs2 which is already way too demanding
Good video, i still don't see the reason why they removed 128 subtick. There was no problem with casuals playing matchmaking and other players go for faceit, learning different lineups was just a minor problem. Even though 128 subtick might be demanding in cs2, if you want to play with the big boys you need to upgrade eventually.
By all blind test videos abaout 64 vs 128 tick it's easy to say most of us dont know whitch tickrate it is. You have to be basicly Ropz to know difference.
@@lukasor9936set all your setting to high and set your resolution to 4k then it must use 100% gpu, but you're gonna have 10 fps, well who cares right? as long as it's using all your gpu
well your point is almost not valid considering that there's no optimisation ever done since 2024 it all went south worse frametimes worse framerates they don't care about optimisation that's it there's no reason to have performance issues with post 2019 mid level hardware on a game that runs on a 2015 level software(maybe i'm wrong about ths one) + 2015 level visuals. subtick is made for people who are literally the host not for people who wanted a better hitreg even in 20 ping i've experienced a massive delay in hitreg let alone the 50+ case (which is mostly the case for most people cuz not everyone lives in north and west EU or some certain areas of NA (which servers are hosted) or singapore which is somewhere that is too far from the rest of the world.
I dont know about reasons for this, but i play Valorant and have played CS:GO when it was available. In CS2 rubberbanding, dealyed kills, situations where i got animation of shooting but still got killed, those situations happens in CS2 more than in Val or CS:GO. I love CS2 but i have around 40FPS in intense round. Delayed kills disrupt my focus, rubberbanding is annoying af and same with animation of shot even if bullet wasnt really fired, this shit is really annoying. Game is good but need some fixes :/
You are comparing faceit that probably has 1000 live concurrently user base at once versus valve official which probably has more than 100 thousand live at once....
Okey maybe a dumb question but i recently started to play faceit again and i missed all my smokes. What i understood after watching your video is that faceit is now also on 64 tick so i have to use 64 tick lineups on faceit now, is that right?
After update I have only 90-120 fps on similar cpu to you and better graphics. Hell yeah. But the game feels much smoother than cs source with 300 fps.
well I play deathmatch and around %20 of the bullets doesnt register means every 5 fights you will lose 1 %100 no matter how good you are its subtick system 👍
Make the game 128 tick and remove subtick, make the nades 64tick if so needed. So it doesnt mess up the trajectory. Atleast give us options to play faceit or give us a reason to play on your official servers!! Give the game a good anticheat and people would be happy. You could implement an AI, that you could call into game if you suspect someone is cheating as an overwatcher. The community would pay for the fixes, thats how invested we are. However, valve just don't give a shit. Money shouldn't be a problem here. Stop feeding into their loop, we need to start a riot give the community the power! That's how revolution starts, thats how countries evolve. We can't accept they treat us like garbage. Stop giving the money and and instead force them to fix the game first.
I agree with 128 tickrate but i also dislike the gameplay, headshots are way too easy, csgo felt rewarding when hitting a sick headshot in cs2 every bot hits a sick shot every now and then because it became so random.
64-tick < 64-subtick? Do you see the peekers advantage? Do you feel the incosistent spray? Do you feel clunky movement? Is this a gold nova take? wtf is up with this claim that its overall better lmao
Movement will always be difficult with subtick. Spray is not inconsistent, its literally different from CSGO as Valve explained in their interview. Peekers's advantage is same as CSGO
64 subtick is worse than 64 tickrate in CS:GO actually, I`ve checked the delay on bots(LAN) in both games, 10x slow-mo, in cs2 between shoot and kill there was 18/60 second(0.3s) delay, and in cs:go 64 tick it was 0/60 second(0s) delay. Online it get`s even worse for cs2 subtick😂
![Why Subtick makes CS2 feel worse [outdated | damage pred fixed the vibes]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SINIpV5e-RQ/mqdefault.jpg)
![Why Subtick makes CS2 feel worse [outdated | damage pred fixed the vibes]](/img/tr.png)
Keep in mind that in a local match, your computer is running both the client and logical server. If you were to join a server (for example FACEIT) and it were 128-tick-subtick, your performance would be better (probably only slightly, but still).
you know what happens to a community when their game gets more resource demanding? they get better computers... some people are way overdue for upgrading.
mfs be using a gt1030 in an optiplex
@@the_irs_real yeah like just a buy a new pc buddy
Y'know what happens to mfs whose favorite game became more resource demanding and they cant afford new pc? They quit the game.
@@sicker889 tbh realest shit. In this economy you better pray that pc of yours can run on hopes and dreams too.
even after upgrading, the state of the servers feels like it changes by the round.
Nah lol. Fuck subtick. Valve reasoning for not giving CSGO 128 tick is that low end pcs couldn't run it. But then they go ahead and release CS2 a game that they know damn well least 20-30% of their player base in CSGO can't run.
It's just Valve being cheap. Give us 128 tick, add an actual anti cheat, fix the game. Until then the game isn't worth playing.
So true they are lazy and cheap, and the marketplace allows them to generate income and not care it’s just bs
@lelskiiii19 a new cs on the unreal 5 engine would crush the gaming industry
tbh, if they can't afford 128 tick thats fine. We can always use Faceit for that. Just remove the fucking subtick.
@@LimitedKan they took 128 tick out of the game completely. Faceit is on 64 tick now as well. The game is not worth playing.
Yeah its nuts. Havent played in like 6-7 months, as I was having trauma similar to how bad Valorants tick rate system is. It honeslty feels like a worse version of valorant, and idk why they're copying that horrible game.
128 tick for general knowledge was : Better Crosshair placement/Faster Accuracy/Fast Flick-shots(Inhuman Reactions),not just a JumpThrow.That is what you need when play,and what Valve MUST ADD in cs2 as well,otherwise...
128Tick meant more Skill/Reflexes/Precision.
Now you just run with a fking MP7 without getting killed by a skilled awp-er.
And that's not ALL,how many times have you died BEHIND a thick Wall?It happened to me in a match 2 times...that my friend is 64SubShitTick...thats why we NEED 128 at least for faceit/esea.I forgot to say also about the lagger with +100ping,instead of you having advantage of faster response,they kill ya first without even seeing them,or dmg them...
yea subtick is totally the reason you lose a fight to an mp7
You're also hosting the server on your own PC so that is probably the reason it influenced your fps.
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There is around 8 ms difference between 64 and 128 tick. You can count how much distance player will make in that time.
sub ticks is shit, and i deleted cs2 tikk i can play 128 tick.
valorant feels SO smooth but its not as fun as counter strike for me
I think it's not a good idea to go with 128 tick severs right now, the game need a lot of work and optimization
im sorry but, i've played csgo on potato pc's, as well as on faceit, and the impact on frames is not enough to justify worse networking, i literally had a pc that couldn't run the updated dust 2 without lagspikes but i didn't feel that much of a difference in frames on 128 tick servers, and my old pc literally couldn't run cs2 without dropping below 10 frames around smokes. whilst yes there is a difference, it doesn't justify lack of 128 tick, as a minority in less than a single % would actually be unable to play on those servers, might be just that you're testing it on locally run servers which make your pc calculate everything as well as operate bots, which wouldn't be an issue in multiplayer play
I dont know I used to play mm only in csgo and I still feel like normal 64 tickrate movement and ak spray was better but yea the tapping feels better now
I still think that classic 128 tick will be better that 64-subtick
I watched all your videoes. Helped me alot to understand CS and how the game works. Thanks a lot. Defintely deserved my sub
If I recall there's also the issue if your FPS drops below the tick rate it can cause excessive reg issues, like 128 tick and 100fps is worse than 64 tick for example. Currently the game is at a generational leap, similar to early early days of CSGO, where it's not uncommon for people to drop below 128. I think the best they could do to solve such an issue is having dynamic tick system with a limit of 128tick for those who can use it
CSGO was a console port, there was no leap, they spent years patching their mistake so it could be playable. two hitboxes remakes.
you cannot use a dynamic tick rate, its on the server.
Came here because i have valorant and cs2 on my laptop. Night and day difference. At 30 ms ping I still have packet drops on cs2 while valorant is buttery smooth 99% of the time
deserved the sub, GREAT video bro i enjoyed it a lot :D
"and on that terrible news" lmaooo
Cs2 is not working on my old pc properly and at first I was obviously angry. But then I remembered, My pc is 6 years old. So yesterday I bought 4090. I will be back.
Counter Strike 1.6 servers typically run at 100 ticks 🙄
1.6 is really easy to run.
bro that game came out nearly 25 years ago, any potato pc could run that game
@Luke_4044 No excuse for CS2 running at 64ticks if CS1.6 always supported 100 ticks.
@saricubra2867 yes there is lmfao
@@saricubra2867 did you even watch video at all?, 128 tick on csgo worsened the performance by 10% imagine that on cs2 which is already way too demanding
Good video, i still don't see the reason why they removed 128 subtick. There was no problem with casuals playing matchmaking and other players go for faceit, learning different lineups was just a minor problem. Even though 128 subtick might be demanding in cs2, if you want to play with the big boys you need to upgrade eventually.
By all blind test videos abaout 64 vs 128 tick it's easy to say most of us dont know whitch tickrate it is. You have to be basicly Ropz to know difference.
cs2 is more gpu demanding, so most have a gpu bottleneck. fps would be similar from 64 and 128. If you had a terrible cpu, it would be worse however
funny how it only wants to use 5% of my GPU then, the best I've seen is 12%
Terribly wrong comment
@@lukasor9936set all your setting to high and set your resolution to 4k then it must use 100% gpu, but you're gonna have 10 fps, well who cares right? as long as it's using all your gpu
there is no such thing as bottleneck, stop spreading this bs
Actually CS2 is way more CPU demanding than CS:GO. You can see on almost any computer with a decent GPU that the GPU isn't even being fully utilised.
well your point is almost not valid considering that there's no optimisation ever done since 2024 it all went south worse frametimes worse framerates they don't care about optimisation that's it there's no reason to have performance issues with post 2019 mid level hardware on a game that runs on a 2015 level software(maybe i'm wrong about ths one) + 2015 level visuals. subtick is made for people who are literally the host not for people who wanted a better hitreg even in 20 ping i've experienced a massive delay in hitreg let alone the 50+ case (which is mostly the case for most people cuz not everyone lives in north and west EU or some certain areas of NA (which servers are hosted) or singapore which is somewhere that is too far from the rest of the world.
Solid video, i thought i was watching a 100k sub channel.
can you share your cs2 config ?
You can't just say "You get 19% less fps with 128tick" as it is heavily reliant on cpu, network adapter, windows configuration and many other things!
I dont know about reasons for this, but i play Valorant and have played CS:GO when it was available. In CS2 rubberbanding, dealyed kills, situations where i got animation of shooting but still got killed, those situations happens in CS2 more than in Val or CS:GO. I love CS2 but i have around 40FPS in intense round. Delayed kills disrupt my focus, rubberbanding is annoying af and same with animation of shot even if bullet wasnt really fired, this shit is really annoying. Game is good but need some fixes :/
No, jumpthrows on 128 tick wasnt the only difference xd 1min into the video and already discarded the major reasons while focusing on some minor thing
You are comparing faceit that probably has 1000 live concurrently user base at once versus valve official which probably has more than 100 thousand live at once....
Okey maybe a dumb question but i recently started to play faceit again and i missed all my smokes. What i understood after watching your video is that faceit is now also on 64 tick so i have to use 64 tick lineups on faceit now, is that right?
FaceIt is 64tick since a 10 months. CS2 devs hardcoded 64tick back than, so every server is 64tick and you cannot change that.
@@Terrown alright thanks bro
What are your computer specs?
Superbe. Tu ne veux pas faire la même vidéo en français stp ? 🙏
After update I have only 90-120 fps on similar cpu to you and better graphics. Hell yeah. But the game feels much smoother than cs source with 300 fps.
bro pokračuj v tvorbě, mega bavilo
well I play deathmatch and around %20 of the bullets doesnt register means every 5 fights you will lose 1 %100 no matter how good you are its subtick system 👍
how u calculate how many bullets miss?
Skill issue, the best riflers like JL don't seem to have any problem hitting their shots 😂☠️
@@symn.999 If you played CS2 you would understand.
Valorant really proved that valve was not doing anything for their game.
Make the game 128 tick and remove subtick, make the nades 64tick if so needed. So it doesnt mess up the trajectory. Atleast give us options to play faceit or give us a reason to play on your official servers!! Give the game a good anticheat and people would be happy. You could implement an AI, that you could call into game if you suspect someone is cheating as an overwatcher. The community would pay for the fixes, thats how invested we are. However, valve just don't give a shit. Money shouldn't be a problem here. Stop feeding into their loop, we need to start a riot give the community the power! That's how revolution starts, thats how countries evolve. We can't accept they treat us like garbage. Stop giving the money and and instead force them to fix the game first.
Amazing video man, good job!
Sens?
what u think about the very latest update released yesterday ?
Realistically 128 tickrate is the ONLY way to fix the game.
that and a better anti cheat and the game would be fixed. Content can wait
@@mago2267 The better anti-cheat is called Faceit.
and fps optimizations
I agree with 128 tickrate but i also dislike the gameplay, headshots are way too easy, csgo felt rewarding when hitting a sick headshot in cs2 every bot hits a sick shot every now and then because it became so random.
@@emger4275 what do you mean by random? I didn't think they changed anything about that
64-tick < 64-subtick? Do you see the peekers advantage? Do you feel the incosistent spray? Do you feel clunky movement? Is this a gold nova take? wtf is up with this claim that its overall better lmao
Movement will always be difficult with subtick. Spray is not inconsistent, its literally different from CSGO as Valve explained in their interview. Peekers's advantage is same as CSGO
csgo 128 tickrate with bots is not accurate, because csgo also need to calculate bot's movement too.
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Imagine buying anything from Valve. Greediest selfish company
64 subtick is worse than 64 tickrate in CS:GO actually, I`ve checked the delay on bots(LAN) in both games, 10x slow-mo, in cs2 between shoot and kill there was 18/60 second(0.3s) delay, and in cs:go 64 tick it was 0/60 second(0s) delay. Online it get`s even worse for cs2 subtick😂
Good video thank you
great video bro 🦍
good and very interesting video
Good video.
THIRD TIME?!
copyright issues with the background music
tbfh.... nobody cares if its 64tick or 128tick.. fix the fking cheating problem LMFAO
128 tick is twice as expensive that's why
Third time watching it yahoo