@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo. Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents. These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software. 5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement. 2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned. We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already. The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating. Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
18:15 He lines the crosshair perfectly on the peek twice. You can hear the first guy, but coming down the ramp his head can be in a couple places. Joel perfect guesses. The second one is obnoxious because he cant possibly have any info and to even preaim that- im talking ZERO adjustment: 1) You have to guess correctly on where the guy is gonna be perfectly (rare, but doable). 2) Either have a lineup to what the door head height is there (
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better. I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
@@jansenallensigaton6328dude. Are you new to the world of eSports tournaments? You don't play the whole of tournament on the stage. Mostly only playoffs to finals.
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
it seems like you have some audio setting activated, that lowers the volume of your microphone recording, because the video takes precedence. It should be setup in the opposite way if anything.
Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to drop the game. I'm glad this guy got caught, and I'm glad other developers take cheating seriously in their games.
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play. While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
@tomascorej9261 Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to retire the game. No really, it's that bad! And I have won $220,000 in fighting game prizes. Mortal Kombat 1 was the first Mortal Kombat game I competed in and I will never compete again!
Bro he is not cheating. Like the movement + crosshair placement is just perfect and he is lucky and talented. The only things that concern me a little bit are his counter-strafe is just perfect, like immediately, and the way he gets kills and the opponents react is like ping difference I believe. And to be honest, you guys really think that a professional team couldn't notice if any of their players was cheating ?
And yeah just to clarify, I'm 2500 elo on faceit and I definitely know how to play and if you want to convince me he is cheating, you will have to find another demo I guess. Especially the mirage demo, the other teams are playing like fking FACEIT solo-queue.
@@dinmamma2604 oh u need to watch styko's video man about joel. Anything on this gameplay is normal. You really think he is using wallhack or radar hack, some sorts of that ? Really. People need to actually play the game and not just watch the game with an xray and say "oh this guy is cheating", bla bla bla. This is 2024 not 2016 anymore. People's skills are way better in the past
@@PhantomProductionsPP prove me with other POV then. He has zero suspicious moment on this video. And if he has any wallhack/radar hack, there will be weird crosshair placement/adjustment, you can't just cover it. And yeah I'm 2500 elo playing with a team 5v5 on faceit, I'm not really shining usually but sometimes I have moments, and other does. If you really one to see a pro player cheating with radar hack, check out wonderful_y, its really shit. And this Joel right now, he has banned, I know that, I'm not defending him because of no profit to me either, but you have to convince people with real evidence, not just saying "abnormal/unusual activity".
you dont need to see to know where the other players are... their footsteps give away where theyre so you can prefire if you hear them about to peek past an edge
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
Tbh bro your calling every prefire angle he puts his ch or "obvious" and "suspicious", any good player knows to prefire or at least hold their ch to at least 70% of these angles, nothing suspicious
He literally plays like such a noob. That rushed rotate back through cave to B to A was clownlike, you would NEVER do this in his situation given the info he had. Just shows that any noob could be a pro with cheats.
Might want to adjust the in-game volume to be way lower buddy it's hard to hear you it's like going to the battlefield and then trying to play back the video and nothing but gunfire😅
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
this is more speculation based on the fact that he did infacr get banned for cheating. a lot of this is just pros doing pro things. normal people seeing a pro play without knowing it's a pro would just assume automatically he's cheating. there's no real devils advocate on any of this is just all sarcastic yea he's cheating talk. completely ruins the video
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
Dude. He prefired, the first time you make a slow motion replay, its obvious they gonna try to get him in the corner there. I would prefire there aswell... that doesnt look like cheating at all.. That shot through smoke was more suspicious, altough the enemy was shooting through it and it was visible...
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
The only sus thing about this entire demo is the fact that he always sprays, never taps. Also he sucks with pistols a lot. Seems like humanized aimbot with rcs nothing more. Wallhacks/triggerbo/radar are the easiest to spot on demos, that why cheaters never use it. Dont assume hes walling, assume hes aimboting.
5:30 doesnt seem that sus to me. he can hear the one guy starting to strafe, and he knows theres multiple and going to try and trade. i'd start preemptively spraying that there as well
@5:47 how can you say he was lining up his shot thru the wall prefire, when ten seconds prior, you can clearly see his opponents tracers coming from that direction?!?! Ive only got 2400hrs so im no pro, but even thats obvious to me!
5:29 Heard a footstep. I might have sprayed the box too knowing they might swing. 5:03 What interests me is when he goes into that corner and aims at the wall and not the opening when the enemy was across from him behind the wall. What was he focusing on? The map or a cheat?
he wasnt caught cheating and it wasnt proven to him he couldnt connect becuase of something on his pc akros said that he didnt have any logs that said he did cheat nothing was proven tand he didnt admit i saw your videos on how you play and im sorry but in pro play games you can't judge if someone is cheating or no in that case
joel looks legit to me😂its called game sense.. he prefired before enemy peeked him cause he knew the bomb already dropped in front of him..overall he played really well..that being said we never know if he cheated or not
You missed this part @3:49. I don't play cs but I play a lot of fps games. I will tell you this - you don't put your crosshair on the wall if you check enemies at your back or at the side. You put it where the enemy could possibly sneak or appear. Look at his crosshair. Verdict, cheater 100 percent.
You sound like a reporter that's reporting from the battlefield
xD made ma day
the best comment
😂😂😂😂
he is repeating the word cheating over and over xD
this guy is talking and commenting the games like normal things are
happening, it sounds pathetic most of the times.
The in-game audio es too loud!
Agreed
yea i can't hear him talking
No its perfect
I can’t hear anything he is saying
Yeah can't watch it like this sadge
My main concern is how he is able to kill someone who is invisible.
🤣😂🤣, it's bad enough invisible walked into the bullet spray but to also duck and ensure it's a head shot is crazy
heat vision hax 😂
even low levels do this, u just assume that someone is in the smoke and u just spray... it works sometimes
@@wee8149 my guy hes making a joke about the guys name 😭
CS2 soft last and anti-ban version on my channel🖤🖤
Bro is a dedicated journalist reporting straight from battlefield
I'm convinced that journalists turned liberals to talk about social conflicts instead of actively going into wars to report what happens there.
I get that he is cheating but at 5:35 there was literally NOTHING suspicious
Agreed, he heard one running and started pre-firing, which is smart but also basic
Be quiet noob
i agreed one hearing footsteps then pre-firing. plus c4 was there more reason to just prefire into it.
Looks like a wallhack, look at 2:03, he can see the other players. The movement makes no sense otherwise.
@@dl1st this rather looks like he left his mouse to scratch himself. Nothing unusual imo.
Also the players on a heard the Ts running so I guess a rush was called in the comms
Something noteworthy is pro players who cheat and get away with it often aren't cheating for most of the time they play. It's generally going to be cheating for extra information on the slow parts of pivital rounds before engagement or at the end of rounds looking for exit kills. These players are incredibly good, even when they're not cheating; they cheat to gain information they're already aware is possible but not certain of. It's impossible to distinguish from good gamesense if done right since part of playing at their level is having information they're not supposed to from researching their opponents.
These aren't MM scrubs, they don't toggle harder when they're losing, they don't toggle off when they're winning. The goal is to create a consistent view from the outside looking in where a shift in performance is a shift in performance, not a shift in software.
5:40 isn't suspect imo, it's a prefire onto players they know are pushing, lined up with the head-level of the back wall. Due to the proximity of the corner, it makes sense to aim for there since the enemy at the far wall sees you before you see them, and in this case, the difference in meeting time is long enough to justify prefiring because the enemy will nearly always win a fair engagement.
2:30 Is a great demonstration of something suspicious, given what we know now. Moments like these are common among legitimate players, but notice how Joel's crosshair seems to drift towards the players behind the smoke, and once they cross, he fixes his crosshair on the right wall rather than on the center of the smoke. It's a subtle shift in attitude that would imply Joel knew they crossed. As for the method of cheating, it looks like a form of sound ESP where some kind of noise plays with variable volume when an enemy player model is within a certain area of the field of view, likely centered around the crosshair. This is very troubling because it potentially implies his teammates were complicit with the cheating since this type of info gathering is most useful for the IGL. There's no way to prove that, so making the accusation is irresponsible. The purpose of mentioning it is because it paints a picture of why an organazation looking to cheat would pick up a player with poor reputation, and also why leagues need to have a unified ban list.
This comment needs to go to viral in the gaming community. I know it's all been said before, but for some reason it seems that a whole massive chunk of the cs2 playerbase in general have never heard of nor considered of any of these details. So many players are awful at detecting cheaters that they don't realise just how many cheaters play this game.
@@danjacksonguitar3701 Genuinely, thank you. I think about this often because of people like Barry Bonds. He was one of the best hitters in the history of baseball, and he ended up using steroids to gain an advantage. People assert that he was only good because of that, but they don't realize it was his swing discipline that made him so good. He was equally valuable when he was struck out because it generally meant the pitches risked grounding out into a double-play. He was so good not just for his slugging, but also because it was almost impossible to capitalize on him making a mistake, so he was intentionally walked constantly, even.with the bases loaded.
Sorry to say it boys, this has been commen knowledges since 1.6. The OGs just accepting that the anti cheats sucks and allways will.
@@complic4ted361 the OGs have been jaded from day one then, no?
@@complic4ted361 it should be, but it isn't. You're expecting the counter strike community to use their brains, which is sadly too hopeful most of the time. There are so many people who still don't understand game sense is different when you can study your opponents beforehand. Perfectly normal plays are called for esp all the time because some people don't understand how professional players have information that wasn't given to them through the game.
5:34 - it's called "prefire"'. he simply expected them to come around the corner; bomb was there and only 34 seconds until the end of the round. It's just common sense and insane reactions from him.
You can also see his gun too
not to mention the T player is running so he can clearly hear the audio.
what about 9:07?
Cool story broski, one misplaced clip in 25 minutes of hacking, innocent!
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5:40 its called a prefire, he knew at least 1 guy there, so what's sus about this one in particular?
Nothing. There isn't anything sus about it. You can hear 3 dudes coming, so you prefire. "Instant reactions" the type of person that accuses everyone of cheating.
The anticheat caught him, admins reviewed the detection and decided it was real. He got banned.
We know he was cheating, the point is to try and figure out how, the idea is hes a pro if anybody can hide cheats its him especially since we always give them benefit of the doubt because they rlly do have godly gamesense and aim already.
The idea is hes using some sort of sonar or esp that helps him know where people are, potential some very light aim assist, not the snappying and magic bullets youre used to seeing from kids blatant cheating.
Its not saying X or Y play is suspect especially for someone like him, its just trying to spot what COULD be explained by cheats and see if there was anything that did make it obvious from gameplay.
@@User-kq3od I wasn't saying that he wasn't cheating, he was indeed, I mentioned that part specifically just because he said it was an obvious reaction of a cheater.
@@bgdrrs He smokes it because he knows from the shots they r on the far right side of the alley. Y would he smoke n then pre fire to the left side unless he knew they were pushing. But in general that map was just perfect shot setups the entire time.
@@youtubenightcrawler9571 its a no brainer that if you hear 3 guys, running right when you smoke, they will peek.
Fix the audio, cant hear you speaking
You don't want to he keeps repeating the same thing haha
You should sort it by most sus moments instead of rounds, 9 minutes in and there is nothing really weird other than prefires and "lucky" kills through smokes and that makes me not want to watch it anymore.
hahahah i stoped at 8 min 21 sec and i was thinking the same
lol same I just checked my timeline its 8 minutes and I went into comments to look for a conclusion
fun fact: if you keep your eyes open you will see the same habits joel shows in this demo like „look how he lines up perfectly through the wall. coincidence? I think not“ ah moments when observing almost every other pro player. Conclusions are up to you. You can see it pretty good on joel because he is kind of bad with movement and angles in comparison to other pros…
Yup, plus lots of clips look "sus" when you put it in slow-mo
He was not banned mid game but he was banned before the match started when he launched his game through akros. Also in what world is CCT a 4 million dollar tournament?
lol yeah, this guys is comletely curios, he probably wrote the scrips himself with the 4m prize pool, for the title.
clueless*
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that gives bad reputation for all players named "joel". Once you see a fella with that name, you know he's cracked out of his mind
so being cracked out of your mind is a bad thing?
@@sssamjamyes pretty much
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nice audio mixing hahaha I can barely hear you
I can hear him just fine.. skill issue
@@PapaGrim01yeah when there‘s no game sound. 110 people seem to disagree with you. (Top comment and my comment)
@@PapaGrim01nah the audio mixing is awful
This guy was not cheating. Sometimes your opponent is just having a good day...
My guy he has BEEN BANNED what do you mean????
@@DerglesnafVROOOOooom (the sound of the joke going over your head)
Bro why this 0iq? @@Derglesnaf
Just wanna put out there that before Joel became a pro (He was already very good at a young age) he scammed some other swedish high level players out of at the very least $10k to fund his gambling addiction. He was 14/15 years old at the time. It probably is way more than $10k but I've only personally talked to a couple of the victims so I wouldn't know the extent of his scams. I wish I knew more honestly because I was very intrigued at the time but due to possible lawsuits etc I wasn't given much more than the rough estimate of the money scammed from the couple victims I talked to. He's been nothing but bad news since all of that happened.
he is probably radarhacking, but not aimlocking, or what so ever
I think so too
At this point I'm just watching the match without the narrator
I think you reversed the audio balancing on your channels by mistake.
13:05 imagine not checking ct when ur teammate is already holding the same angle. bro trying too hard to go unnoticed lmao
Exactly my thoughts.
5:40 you can see that the T picked up the bomb after it was dropped, and you should know that you can see the dropped bomb stops pinging in the minimap once its picked up, so this prefire wasn't sus at all imo
He's teammate even shoot the enemy, so i think thats why he shoots to
3:30 crosshair placement on point😂
First round looked like he was a faceit level 3....
You should set your screen recorder to record game audio and mic audio as separate files so you can avoid mixing issues like these
Looks like a demo of a lvl10 smurfing in a silver lobby... Except that those are all pro players.
16:29 when he molly the enemy he jumped off balcony car, at same time his team is pushing short and giving info he is car. Of course they know where he is. When they killed bench guy they knew he had to be site or rockets. Invisible showed he is default he pushed and got trade. CS 101
joel the clara trifecta
Damn it, Clara strikes again...
18:15 He lines the crosshair perfectly on the peek twice.
You can hear the first guy, but coming down the ramp his head can be in a couple places. Joel perfect guesses.
The second one is obnoxious because he cant possibly have any info and to even preaim that- im talking ZERO adjustment:
1) You have to guess correctly on where the guy is gonna be perfectly (rare, but doable).
2) Either have a lineup to what the door head height is there (
game audio is so quiet can u lift up the volume of the game audio
can you put sus gameplay time stamps on videoS?
nope
Tbh his pre aim is not sus at all .
I don't understand where the idea that he is using radar comes from. Judging from this and 2 other maps I've seen of him it's certainly some kind of wall hack, it fits his behavior much better.
I think every time he walks in to a smoke is the only part of his game that is blatant, he just does not get disoriented but will constantly turn the camera to face positions or opponents it's almost impossible for a legit player to re-create.
if you have somewhat decent movement and look at your minimap while in a smoke you wont get disoriented ever
but its obvious this dude got more than a minimap to help him in a smoke
So youre telling me they dont check the computers before a large scale tournament. Right
hard to check someone's PC in a house across the world buddy, what the AC was for
@@HERBO_17 was the tournament not a held in one location for pro players to go to?
@@jansenallensigaton6328no, online tourney
@@jansenallensigaton6328dude. Are you new to the world of eSports tournaments? You don't play the whole of tournament on the stage. Mostly only playoffs to finals.
With pros getting caught recently it makes me wonder how bad cheaters are on faceit
there is probably some in the highest level, thing is you need expensive private cheats thats hard to come by, so your average lvl 3-9 dude will most likely not have a private cheat unless they are filthy rich or knows how to code the cheat themself, i have 2300 faceit macthes in lvl 6-10 and ive come across 5 hackers where it was obivous, and a handful sus people that might used radar or very soft aim assist
@@mikeholm4455 I mean with dma cheating becoming more accessible it really isn't too expensive to get a UD cheat for faceit. Free dma cheat and a private custom firmware would go undetected on faceit
i have a private dma cheat on faceit ive been using for 4 years no ban😂
I mean yh if u have 3 braincells yk how to not grt caught with dma @@ceses6526
@@ceses6526 you are a loser
Bro you should reupload this with better audio mixing. If literally anything is going on your voice is a slight background mumble at best
I guess he played so good that people thinks it's hack.
lol. You fucking delusionnal. If you think he does good plays you crazy, and probably an old gold nova.
he got detected by the anti cheat. It's not just speculation lol
Nah bro just look at 9:07 , he does have wallhack :)
@@bbi2005 im not defending him in any way , but in that particular case its a very common pre aim/fire spot
@@Kevin-us7jcyes I did a lot of pre fire back in the day on 1.5. You know how high to aim and when you hear ppl walk you can time it just right. I’m not saying he didn’t cheat but at such high levels it’s hard to sometimes really know.
great audio mixing 😂
Shooting before he sees them? Bro had information from them shooting prior and was prefire knowing they were going to push his teamate to the left
Cheating or bet scam = lifetime ban.
How hard is it?
it seems like you have some audio setting activated, that lowers the volume of your microphone recording, because the video takes precedence. It should be setup in the opposite way if anything.
Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to drop the game. I'm glad this guy got caught, and I'm glad other developers take cheating seriously in their games.
He was accused by one of the literal worst AC programs ever, that has been historically so bad it needed to be disabled to continue play.
While I'm not supporting or defending him, I'd like to get more confirmation than Akros.
you got the audio mixed up replay is waaaay too loud
Valve busy focusing on new games 😂
if a person is caught cheating in such a tournament he should be put in jail
In South Korea you could spend up to 5 years in jail for cheating in an online game.
@@takedakurosawa5416 if there is no punishment, there should be no reward, if there is no reward, there should be no punishment
@tomascorej9261 Mortal Kombat 1 has so many cheaters that I had to retire the game. No really, it's that bad! And I have won $220,000 in fighting game prizes. Mortal Kombat 1 was the first Mortal Kombat game I competed in and I will never compete again!
@@takedakurosawa5416 they should focus more on the alarming suicide rates over there insteda of having such wack laws but thats another topic
@@theshahofiran1323 WTF Does that have to do with anything??? We're talking about cheating in online games, not suicide.
Bro he is not cheating. Like the movement + crosshair placement is just perfect and he is lucky and talented. The only things that concern me a little bit are his counter-strafe is just perfect, like immediately, and the way he gets kills and the opponents react is like ping difference I believe. And to be honest, you guys really think that a professional team couldn't notice if any of their players was cheating ?
And yeah just to clarify, I'm 2500 elo on faceit and I definitely know how to play and if you want to convince me he is cheating, you will have to find another demo I guess. Especially the mirage demo, the other teams are playing like fking FACEIT solo-queue.
He got banned by their anti-cheat mid tournament....
@@dinmamma2604 "but but HeS nOt ChEaTiNg...im 2500 elo"
@@dinmamma2604 oh u need to watch styko's video man about joel. Anything on this gameplay is normal. You really think he is using wallhack or radar hack, some sorts of that ? Really. People need to actually play the game and not just watch the game with an xray and say "oh this guy is cheating", bla bla bla. This is 2024 not 2016 anymore. People's skills are way better in the past
@@PhantomProductionsPP prove me with other POV then. He has zero suspicious moment on this video. And if he has any wallhack/radar hack, there will be weird crosshair placement/adjustment, you can't just cover it. And yeah I'm 2500 elo playing with a team 5v5 on faceit, I'm not really shining usually but sometimes I have moments, and other does. If you really one to see a pro player cheating with radar hack, check out wonderful_y, its really shit. And this Joel right now, he has banned, I know that, I'm not defending him because of no profit to me either, but you have to convince people with real evidence, not just saying "abnormal/unusual activity".
I think he toggled off the last couple CT rounds on ancient, the way he plays/peeks is quite normal and different from all the other rounds
Possibly, because they're way ahead on scoreboard.
damn, a pro player has good crosshair placement and knows how to peek an angle.
If someone like guardian doesn't realize one of his guys is cheating i question his own credibility.
in game audio is way too loud. i cant hear your commentary :c
How can he use wallhack when the coach is standing right behind him?
Had Joel under 36 kills one day this man had like 60 with no overtimes it’s crazy
Joel is 10k elo without cheats
you dont need to see to know where the other players are... their footsteps give away where theyre so you can prefire if you hear them about to peek past an edge
Good, F em for doing this in a pro match. Cheating for prize money should result in prison time in all parts of the world. Its fraud at the least and breaching a secure PC at most. Valve should sue any pro caught using tools to cheat in games or making a profit by betting skins on there matches. Banning them isnt enough of a deterrent for these guys. They need real reasons to fear you. Not this sad excuse of an anti-cheat this game has to the point you need to PAY someone else to enjoy there game.
Tbh bro your calling every prefire angle he puts his ch or "obvious" and "suspicious", any good player knows to prefire or at least hold their ch to at least 70% of these angles, nothing suspicious
Nah!
If he is rly cheating, VAC would have banned him.
He literally plays like such a noob. That rushed rotate back through cave to B to A was clownlike, you would NEVER do this in his situation given the info he had. Just shows that any noob could be a pro with cheats.
imagine CS pushing anti-cheat silently just before tournament to expose a lot of cheaters in the tournament.
Might want to adjust the in-game volume to be way lower buddy it's hard to hear you it's like going to the battlefield and then trying to play back the video and nothing but gunfire😅
It ain't about the anticheat anymore, its about mentality..
$4m prizepool? What a clickbait title.
i can hear about 30% of what you were saying homie
Ive watched it until 7:30 and havent seen anything sus. Most things seem to me just proper preaim and games. If you hear several close to you and you expect them to overwhelm you its common to prefire. Thats why he was even checking a boost after someone died there because he listened to the sound que. Also spamming the cave smoke when you clearly hear someone crossing isnt uncommon at all. Is there any further information what kind of cheat he used?
there is absolutely nothing suspicious about any of the clips in this game at all lmao.
If this is cheating then we can close the pro league for good. And I'm not saying this to defend the guy...
True, there were many instances where he could have heard them running, so he prefired, cause it's a smart thing to do
@5:17. What is that. He turns automatically when the awp fires
this is more speculation based on the fact that he did infacr get banned for cheating. a lot of this is just pros doing pro things. normal people seeing a pro play without knowing it's a pro would just assume automatically he's cheating. there's no real devils advocate on any of this is just all sarcastic yea he's cheating talk. completely ruins the video
5:37 , so it is a clickbait, at a pro level you're 100% going to prefire enemies after an obvious nearby sound and presence of them
Your voice is way too quiet compared to the game sound volume. Hard to hear what you're saying.
5:40 that's completely normal though, because the bomb is down, it's very likely people would swing him when he throws a smoke to try and catch him before the smoke blooms. He's just prefiring under the assumption that they will swing.
Ah yes, cheating in the pro scene is such a new thing.
How old is 1.6 yet?
Dude. He prefired, the first time you make a slow motion replay, its obvious they gonna try to get him in the corner there. I would prefire there aswell... that doesnt look like cheating at all..
That shot through smoke was more suspicious, altough the enemy was shooting through it and it was visible...
Where can I hear your full commentary without cuts
So as someone who has been Cheating without being Sus, i can say that this guy is Blatant af i saw it in the First Gameplay (Past intro)
Why cheat
@@LeumazDnazor because he is bad at the game
man i've missed you. feels like its been ages since i saw your videos. hope you're doing well man! hope your heart is doing a lot better too
I dont know how the competition was worth million when the teams are tier 25 😂😂
3:47-3:52, he clears 2 positions-looks at wall for ''some'' reason, exactly at 3:51, the crosshair placement wasnt even to the doors after it? :D
Sure, you could say hes ''checking doors' , but theres hes teammate already that has that angle, so he wont cross without kill/info.
That's what I'm trying to say. Glad I'm not the only one that noticed it.
you can hear a step and water sfx.
Valve allows cheaters to roam freely in the game, causing grudge and hatred among people.
The only sus thing about this entire demo is the fact that he always sprays, never taps. Also he sucks with pistols a lot. Seems like humanized aimbot with rcs nothing more. Wallhacks/triggerbo/radar are the easiest to spot on demos, that why cheaters never use it. Dont assume hes walling, assume hes aimboting.
5:14 😂😂😂 why looking in the wall dude😂😂
What resolution do you play at?
that 5:45 clip is common and not suspicious, he knows they are pushing and hes stuck ina spot so hes just prefiring it???
5:30 doesnt seem that sus to me. he can hear the one guy starting to strafe, and he knows theres multiple and going to try and trade. i'd start preemptively spraying that there as well
@5:47 how can you say he was lining up his shot thru the wall prefire, when ten seconds prior, you can clearly see his opponents tracers coming from that direction?!?! Ive only got 2400hrs so im no pro, but even thats obvious to me!
He killed two guys while flashed. Now thats suspicious!!
How many times do u repeat the same thing in this video 😂
Low - His game sens is on high level. Also map knowledge is perfect.
Brother the game volume is alot higher than your voice. We can NOT hear you at all. Please fix as id love to hear your commentary
5:29 Heard a footstep. I might have sprayed the box too knowing they might swing.
5:03 What interests me is when he goes into that corner and aims at the wall and not the opening when the enemy was across from him behind the wall. What was he focusing on? The map or a cheat?
Dude look @ 3:50 when he checked enemies behind him. Watch where his crosshair was pointing. 😂 Pretty easy to spot a cheater.
he wasnt caught cheating and it wasnt proven to him he couldnt connect becuase of something on his pc akros said that he didnt have any logs that said he did cheat nothing was proven tand he didnt admit i saw your videos on how you play and im sorry but in pro play games you can't judge if someone is cheating or no in that case
Who would have thought!! Cheaters cheating for money? Crazy. Never heard of
Only truly sus moment was that pre aim in ancient b site cave tbh
How do u not realize how bad the audio is before posting😭
joel looks legit to me😂its called game sense.. he prefired before enemy peeked him cause he knew the bomb already dropped in front of him..overall he played really well..that being said we never know if he cheated or not
You missed this part @3:49. I don't play cs but I play a lot of fps games. I will tell you this - you don't put your crosshair on the wall if you check enemies at your back or at the side. You put it where the enemy could possibly sneak or appear. Look at his crosshair. Verdict, cheater 100 percent.
TimeIsButaWindow, awesome video keep up the great content
Where is in game footage of him using cheat?
hes playing against bots who keeps repeeking the same angles in smokes, this isnt evidence for anything