UNSTICKING a Piston! SURPRISE Solution - Part 3 Alan Travis' 1907 Delauney Belleville
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- After weeks of soaking the Pistons in Kroil, it started to seem like nothing was going to make that piston release its grip! 
SURPRISE SOLUTION! Dry Ice!
The Engine in his 1907 Delauney Belleville is Seized / Stuck and just won't turn over. There are zero parts available for this engine, so, needless to say, patience and care have to be prioritized over speed.
This is Part 3
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Victory! That was a priceless moment when the piston started to break loose and move!
I used to build jet engines in the USAF and we used dry ice/heaters/hydraulic tooling during assembly. AKA "heat this, chill that, and press before the temps equalize"
Brilliant!
That was really cool to see it work so nicely. This is another tool in the arsenal of engine repair.
I ageee! Thanks
Fascinating indeed. I never knew how cold dry ice actually got things around or in contact with it.
The dry ice did not penetrate the seal, it just shrunk the piston, causing it to release its grip 👍
What a sweet sound!
The "whump" coming from the piston being pulled out of the cylinder wall. 16:20
You’re right, I agree!
You absolutely produce awesome videos I have one recommendation we used to use on antique seized Motors and also on Ford flathead engines used to fill the cylinders up full of marble Mr Oil leave it set for a while take .a .t bar with the proper socket to fit the crank rocket back and forth couple times a day to slowly try to rock that T Bar back and forth or slightly counter pressure both ways and it always unstuck the engine every time my father and I that's the way we used to do it we've had success every time there is something in Marvel Mystery Oil that really works passed them cylinder rings to loosen it up we've done it on stuck engines Rusty engines Outboards and antique racing midgets with Ford flatheads work every time
I love it, thanks for your comment! We can’t go back and try that again on this exact engine, but will totally keep that in mind. Kroil widely regarded as a top option for these things, but we didn’t make any progress after several weeks with that… In this case.
it is an innovative alternative to brute force
congratulations.
What an amazing experience!
So glad you enjoyed it!
These are great videos would you pass thanks on to Alan also!
Will do! We enjoy doing them.
That was fun and unexpected and just a technical note,, when Alan was referring to using nitrogen he meant "liquid" nitrogen...
You are right! Thanks for that clarification - I should have caught that!
I appreciate having you along on the channel 👍
That will actually help me out with a seized engine I have! Thanks and for the record if you would have been using the Coke I wouldn’t have watched I have seen a few videos and I wasn’t impressed. But good for you and I admire how spotless your shop is keep on wrenching 😀🇨🇦
I’m glad it helped! Thanks for letting us know…
Yes, Alan is very tireless at keeping his shop, clean and tidy and impresses me as well…. Thanks for your comment and have a great day!
Ten years waiting for tires! Could have done a retrofit and been driving it in the meantime. It would have saved an expensive engine rebuild. It was probably a museum piece anyway.
Absolutely in hindsight, Alan realizes that it was a mistake not to keep driving it, because he does not have sitting museum pieces, he takes pride in regularly driving his cars… Lesson learned!
I have watched a lot of “will it start” videos and have wondered if cooling the piston would work. However it only could be from the top in most cases. I like the idea of being able add it at the bottom.
I will watch and see!
Very good, let me know what you think!
What a great job, well done. Never used dry ice before but it works. Keep up the great work, can't wait until the next video.
Awesome! Thank you!
Very interesting series thanks for the update 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!!
great idea, indeed, sir. I'm just worried a tad about that corrosion. Was there any water in the cylinder?
There was no water in the cylinder except for condensation on mostly the iron compression ring. We only cooled the engine with Evans coolant and no water. We still will be sleeving the cylinder as it was already at a .060 overbore. Thanks Alan Travis
Not at all, thankfully.
Great engineering thinking! Could you tell me what the coke would have done? I think it would dissolve something like the aluminium. Is that right?
Coke is acidic and can remove rust. I’m not an expert on how that would compare with other methods. Has @projectfarm covered that?
The whispering pessimist on you left shoulder must have brought hammer to the table - just in case. 🙂 Another great episode. Thank you both.
Hahaha yes you always need to be prepared with a 🔨 hammer just in case!!
Wow
Brilliant! Thanks for the information.
You bet!
Quit the engineering Walk in the park 🤣🤣🤣
That’s funny, I get your point, but you don’t know what you don’t know… Alan spends plenty of time outside and getting his exercise!
The cast iron rings are rusted to the bore also.
It was extremely tight!
What an interesting trick!
I bet that if the car sits again it will be started regularly.
I guarantee, Alan will not let this happen again!
@@BarryTsGarage I bet! Alan probably loves solving problems like this!
If it was mine I would have put two liters of engine in the cylinder and let it sit for two weeks. It should do the job.
He tried pure Kroil for four weeks and that didn’t do anything!
I hope to see the rest of the battle, as in cleaning the piston up, saving the rings, and bore.
Yes more to come!
Why not just drill holes in the piston and have new ones made? You can have pistons made if they aren't available
Drilling was going to be last option. The piston had to be removed from the bottom as the head is not detachable. The “drilling” would have to be done basically very close to the ring groves to be effective which would leave too little room for error with the cylinder bore so close. Also, the top of the head is mostly round so the setup on the mill would be very difficult. Another factor would be a drill bit needed to be 14 inches long. Every idea has good points and bad points. Thanks, Alan Travis
No aluminium pistons in 1907.
Are you aware that the wright flyer had an aluminum engine block in 1903?
@@BarryTsGarage no but blocks are cooled pistons are not. I think it may have been Bentley who got the metallurgy right for aluminium pistons.
The pistons were replaced in the 1960’s
With Aluminum
@@Alantravis111 good grief it will rev like a rotary 😊