Why Every Church Should Sound Like Cody Carnes - Play Worship Piano | Sunday Keys App
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I’ll be honest. I was pretty skeptical of the Sunday Keys app compared to other stuff that is out there. And I even hated on it. But after this video, I’m pretty impressed with what it can do.
Thanks for taking the time to comment and let us know. There are tons of ways for keys players to sound great and we are working hard to make Sunday Keys as useful and musical as possible. Glad the App impressed you in this video. Have a great weekend!
Thank you so much for this video and the setlist. I have been blown away by the Sunday Keys app, it is incredible
Holy smokes dude…mind blown. So elegantly crafted
thanks for taking the time to watch and comment, Jason!
Another gem. Thank you!
Glad to hear! What stood out to you from the video?
Very cool
This video has relevance to the previous video with its various arguments/discussions regarding the utilization of the Nord Stage keyboards in worship. Accepting David's premise that current CCM production is using multiple layering and combinations of synth/piano sounds, then knowing that the Nord Stage 3 and 4 have only 2 or 3 voicings respectively per layer (organ, piano, synth - as I understand it) is a benefit of the software/VST approach and/or a workstation hardware approach (Roland, Yamaha, Korg, etc.) that the Nord cannot replicate/approach. Of course there's still the underlying contested issue of whether or not and to what extent to try and reproduce or approach the sound(s) of the original recording.
That's a great point. Anyone who has been following us knows we obviously skew towards the 'keys players can and should play a lot of the parts live' camp, and if that's the direction someone wants to take their worship team we see far less friction in the software based approach, and in our opinion friction gives way to exploration and even inspiration with a tool like our App, designed specifically for that approach.
Yes, Nord sounds great but is really limited. Now a modern workstation like Yamaha MODX/Montage or Korg Krome EX/Nautilus can also be the way to go and in some ways can give you even more. You have to be careful though, Roland workstations do not have enough effect slots for all the reverb, shimmer, delay, etc you need. VSTs can be cheaper IF you already have an Apple laptop and a controller, If you have to buy all of that and Sunday Sounds and maybe a better piano VST then you've already spent more than a mid tier workstation. and a workstation rarely ever fail live on stage. Laptops can be a complete disaster without a backup. An old Korg keyboard like an M3 can do every single thing the software can do in a live band.
@Michael-le5ph So true. I literally just have a Korg Krome and was able to closely replicate the whole thing.
I love this this App, hopping you will release for a windows OS, God Bless
Thnaks!! A very interesting! This meaning to programm patches is very impressive and "easy" tu use.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome! I love the sounds that you guys are putting in. I used the SK app with my custom presets and sounds for Who Is Like The Lord. It sounded so nice.
That's great, glad to hear you're having fun making your own Patches. We could do it all day! haha
Man you are truly the master of the universe on that keyboard and with Sunday sounds. Again it was your video that made me jump on purchasing a keyboard 10 months ago. And I'm almost to the point where I can jump in on praise and worship nights and just hang with them in the background at least with the 30 cordes I know how to play. Anyway great video.
Love to hear that! Thanks for serving your local church, we appreciate you!
Nice job!
Thanks for watching!
This along with the Nord video are fantastic and refreshing breakdowns, and are helping me on my journey as a musical dinosaur toward gaining more respect for CCM, which I am guilty of dismissing as "dumbed down" for the masses. Until I started listening to some of the isolated tracks and hearing how the pros play it. "Firm Foundation" is a great example that is not a beginner tune!
Trust me as someone doing this for 35 years. Modern CCM worship music is dumbed down for the masses. It's intentional and they brag on that as a selling point--so that churches can sing and play the songs even if they don't have good musicians. And it really helps in royalties for the 4 churches that record CCM for the whole world, you can have a guitar player with broke strings that can play a simple 4 beat rhythm. and how hard is it to buy the exact pad sound from a recording and hold down a two note major chord and move a mod wheel? It's not hard.
The Sunday Keys App has transformed my worship keys rig completely. Are you going to be adding some huge patches that use more than 5 layers? Would love to have some really big sounds in the bank.
Sunday's keys taught me to experiment with sounds and spice them up. If you think Modern church music is the same, you're not listening. There’s a lot of going on. I usually run the Sunday keys balanced piano with the screaming organ, shimmers and mix up the Octavia shimmers set as well. Just play with it and have fun. Keep it simple.
Great! So glad to hear you’re having fun exploring what you can do with Sunday Keys.
Uhm. modern worship ALL sounds the same. It's all washed out pads and a few synth sounds with either an arpeggiator or side chain. Trust me I've been at this over 35 years. The 90s and 2000s worship music let the keyboardist PLAY some notes and not just hold pads. It was much more hard core and not watered down to sound like Coldplay with a little elevator EDM music on top.
Really liked this video, thanks much. I downloaded the Cody set list. Can I add patch to another set list? Thanks.
You sure can! Export the Patch to your User Library and then you can pull it into any other Setlist.
Hi David thanks so much to you and your team for another excellent video.
One question I have is regarding time based sounds such as arps and delays etc. I own an Arturia keylab and i was wondering if it would be possible to program one of the drum pads to act as the tap tempo facility with the SK App (in case the drummer speeds up and I have to readjust the tempo mid song)?
Glad you enjoyed the video!
The App does feature tap tempo, just head to the Midi Learn tab with your controller connected and make a Midi Learn Connection to the drum pad you’d like to use :)
Great video. Great sounds as always. Wanted to know if the Sunday Keys app will be available to android tablets in the near future. Thanks and God bless!
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video!
Unfortunately, we can say definitively that we do not plan to bring the App to android, it’s just not on our roadmap for a lot of technical reasons.
Android has issues around Midi and audio. That's why it's alway Apple products used. There is no way around these issues at this time.
Hey! I am new here... I love the sounds of your pianos. What app did you use on ipad to have those cool sounds?
Hey there, thanks for watching! The App is called Sunday Keys. You can learn all about it here: sundaysounds.com/pages/sunday-keys-app
David may I ask you a question about velocity curve settings on the SL88. Have you adjusted your velocity curve settings or do you play as it is set from the factory?
Hey there, I use the stock curve!
-David
Question: I know the all is for live performances. So, is it possible to use these sounds for studio productions?
A question for you David. In your research of the production of Cody Carnes' "live" album do you know if tracks were used? When Cody performed at my church he had only one keyboardist and I suspect he did use tracks for some of his songs. For his hit "Firm Foundation" I note 1 piano, 1 organ, 6 "keys", and 1 synth bass track for the album's titular song.
It's very, very rare that a live recording doesn't feature additional tracks, either prepared during pre-production or added later during the mixing/post-production stage. We're confident saying that's the case here as well/
Is this set available for just MainStage? It’s incredible!
Shared Setlists only work with the standalone App, but all the Sounds featured in the video are also in the MainStage format, so you can easily recreate it!
Hi, this is an amazing video on piano patches and sound. i had a small question about where the sound of the keys belong in the mixer. are drums supposed to be the loudest instrument, and then beneath drums comes piano and bass and beneath that comes e- guitar ( not lead ) and then beneath that comes accoustic guitar? i have made a small band with my brothers for church but the church does not have a professional mixer operator. We just have 2 youths from our church making sure none of the sounds go overdrive or are too loud for the mixer. I ask this because alot of times during practice, the sounds are great, but when it comes to the stage, everything sounds different because none of the sounds are in the correct ratio and i dont know which instruement should be louder/ quiter than the other and where they lie within the band ( we dont use organ, flute , violin, cello)( mainly piano ( with a bunch of pads layered) e-guitar( to fill space rather than used as a lead ), bass, acoustic ( for percussion) and drums ). Thanks, greatly appreciate if you could answer.
Hey Adam, thanks for your comment and for aiming to serve your church well through music. Your question is a big one, without a comment-sized answer. I'd recommend you check out our friends over at @Churchfront. They've got a lot of great videos on mixing a worship band here on TH-cam that you can watch for free :)
thank you very much. God bless you.@@SundaySounds
One other question I have, if I was to invest in an ipad 9th gen (64gb), how easily is this likely to cope with sounds / patches such as the one in this video? It may be a difficult one to answer however I was also querying how future-proof a 9th gen may be if it was only dedicated to running SK and nothing else? Thanks again 😀👍
We strongly recommend people in the market for an iPad get one with an M series chip, not an A series chip.
That’s all the new iPad Airs and the recent iPad Pros. It’s a bigger expense, but much more powerful and definitely future proof for years to come.
Probably, this is a long shot but when can Android have the app? 😂 I have the Ableton + touchosc setup but would love to have the app on Android tablets. Cheers 😊
Sorry, we do not have plans to bring the App to Android. :/
Android is missing key midi implementation to make this work. Windows is the same mostly. That's why it has to be Apple.
Im a keyboardist in our church but some keys not working anymore and its hard to play songs..hope u can notice me🙏🏻Godbless
If the keys aren't working anymore, you may need to have the keyboard replaced. I have a Yamaha S-90 I've had for the better part of two decades and have had to have the keyboard replaced twice due to a key no longer working. I'd suggest searching around for a local keyboard repair person and going from there. You can tell them the issue and they'd probably be able to help.
The detail and thoughtfulness behind the production is staggering, that’s got gorgeous depth and texture. I’m a fan of that. But I’m cautious of the unnecessarily clickbaity title - reducing the sonic signature of our worship to the essence of a popular American artist is kinda demeaning to the diversity of the global church, and dismissive of the unique creative culture and experience of beauty that God blesses each one with.
Agreed. “Every church” should focus on seeking God in worship in their own context, not replicating the production of today’s current trendy performer.
We get where you're coming from, and hope it's clear through the content of the video that we're not actually saying every church should sound like this one artist. Maybe we'd just say that there's something in Cody's work that churches can learn from, be inspired by, and apply to their own, diverse context.
As far as the clickbait title itself- well, it is TH-cam after all and if people don't watch the videos it's harder for us to justify the effort that goes into making them ;)
I copied the link to put the setlist in the Sunday keys Mac App, but it doesn't work when you paste it into the setlist link field. Is it just me?
Hey Michael, we tested and the link is working for us. You might double check there were no extra characters when you copied, or open the link directly from the same device by tapping/clicking it.
You’ll also want to make sure you’re using the latest app and sound library versions :)
Can these sounds be incorporated with Ableton Live?
No, they are stuck on the Ipad
where can i get sunday keys app
Hey! This link has all the details on how: sundaysounds.com/pages/sunday-keys-app
Yes, ALL modern worship music sounds the same. It's all from a small handful of churches and artists that write the stuff. the reason you bring this up is because you've heard people say that and there is a lot of truth in that. you can literally fall asleep as you play the same two chords over and over forever in a song. different keys, yes, but two or three chords per song. and then drown it in a pad with heavy reverb. instant hit.
I think it is pretty much all the same. But that's not a bad thing.
The resulting amount of space filled definitely lines up with the last decade or so, but in our opinion it’s what is filling the space that feels pretty fresh and new. We love to nerd out on those details though 🤓
I am looking forward to getting Sunday sounds soon.
It's ALL the same in worship-ville. Pastors are forcing churches to sound like Bethel, Hillsong and Elevation to try to get people to show up for church as their congregations gets smaller and smaller.
The instruments themselves are great, it’s just there are some of his songs have questionable lyrics
Not if you are 25 to 35 and never once read any of the bible in any context at all.
@@Michael-le5ph true, must be his target audience
still sounds the same as the last decade of CCM
🤷♂️ we think the resulting space that’s filled lines up, but that there’s something fresh and new with the ingredients used to fill up that space.
I think Sunday Sound is a great resource for churches that need to sound like bethel, hillsong and elevation. If you are a church doing some sort of gospel music, this is not really helpful. Wrong style and the sounds don't work in gospel.
Lol lol spirit lead is whsts not added fake Christian noise
We lean towards a less pessimistic take- Christians have been doing their best to bring something beautiful artistically since the early days of the church. Great keys sounds may not be stained glass, but we think the motivation and mindset can be the same.
It's not the Spirit that's the problem. It's trying to look like a famous band and have their sound and want the same results from the crowd. Most churches are dying and it's not from the music. you can't just add Hillsong to your worship set list and expect a crowd to show up.
@@SundaySounds It's not about the keys or Sunday Sounds. The problem is most churches are pushed into covering CCM worship entertainment so they can draw a crowd to churches that are dying. It's the MEE TOO movement in worship. No one cares what the congregation wants. Us worship leaders shove what we and our pastor wants down their throats. all churches are not 25 and under and need to be entertained by a worship show with the lights on the performers.
@@Michael-le5ph All I can see here is a circular argument that makes no sense.
Your argument seems to be ‘No one cares what the congregation wants, so leadership makes us play this kind of music that the congregation wants so that they come to church on Sunday’.
Does leadership care about what the congregation wants, or don’t they?
If you feel you are being forced to shove something down someone’s throat then it’s probably time to move on! ‘Most churches’ are not dying, that is completely false.
Were you homeschooled?
What gave it away?
I'm not saying the sounds aren't cool. I use sounds all the time when my worship leader thinks they won't work. She hears them with the band and she humbles herself and admits the sounds I pick work. Sorry bro the artist is just boring. I don't like 95% of the songs played in modern worship because they are boring lyrically and musically.
Fair enough. What are some worship bands/artists you find more engaging? Always looking for new stuff to check out.
@@SundaySounds It's hard to find any band that's not trying to be a carbon copy of Elevation , Hillsong and Bethel. I just gave up and have to sit through worship sets of a pad and a piano playing 3 chords. you can literally be the keyboard player and fall asleep on the keys. It's not fun anymore. Gospel is usually much more fun and has a higher bar of entry. Even using a hymnal can be fun. But, holding down a two or three note pad for who knows how long and pushing a mod wheel occasionally is NOT fun. The keyboard players I know all want to go back in time to when you could actually play some notes without the music director throwing you off the platform for being a showoff.
Man, that felt piano is awful.
CCM worship artists are a dime a dozen. I'd rather just sound like myself rather than trying to emulate one of the pop carbon copies on the radio.
I agree. Be yourself. Churches are caught up in the "me too" complex with worship. every church sounds like every other church and every CCM artist is a carbon copy of someone else. Why do we suddenly have pressure from our Pastor's to sound like Bethel and Hillsong and Elevation? I think they think people will show up for the show.
So... Style over substance.
When it comes to the musical arrangement, can’t the style be a part of the substance?
It's art. What's the difference between the two...?
What would be substantive in this context? I would appreciate you sharing an example you find substantive more than stylistic.
An orchestra playing Beethoven doesn’t have complexity because each part is always complex but rather because each part plays a role and function to build complexity.
This is a similar approach but swap out the different orchestral sections of strings, brass, reeds, and woodwinds for piano, pads, textures, and leads.
@@ChurchWorshipandvideo we love framing this conversation through the lens of classical orchestration, totally agree! There's a lot to learn and apply from how an orchestra's players come together when it comes to layering different keys sounds.
christian have to be COOL now. The Me too movement is everywhere in the church.