I Put Liquid Metal In My Xbox Series X - Here's What Happened!
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I Put Liquid Metal In My Xbox Series X - Here's What Happened! Liquid metal transfers heat much better than standard thermal paste... so what happens when I replace the thermal paste in my Xbox Series X with liquid metal? I take both temperature and noise measurements before and after the replacement.
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I'm a chemical engineer and your theory is correct due to liquid metal's better thermal conductivity the outlet air temperature would be higher because it transfered more heat from the chip to heat sink but if you check the APU die temperature it would be lower which means more longevity for the console
Thanks for the confirmation. Yes, if I could measure the APU temp I think it would be lower with the LM
Correct on theory, if the component placement is correct….. more heat in console = more heat on component like capacitor on mainboard near heatsink . So not good upgrade. Microsoft is not stupid
@@Tronicsfix and what happens to the chips with silicone, I mean in time will the heat uncovers them or they will be "safe" from the T-1000 if they spread, i mean liquid metal jejej
@Green Mamba Games dont forget you may not use and punctuation and sentences, let them figure out how you arranged you sentence for extra trustworthiness.
@@craxymax whut? With more heat being transferred to the heatsink less heat can build up in the system because more heat will be transferred to the heatsink and thete would be more cooler air available to compensate..
Crazy seeing that tiny dribble of liquid metal spread around like that... seemed like it turned into a big puddle. Kinda like the T-1000 from Terminator 2 haha.
Also, iFixit didn't hook you up with a discount code for us this time around?
Unfortunately not.
“The perfect amount of liquid metal.”
Was waiting for this, and I wasn’t disappointed.
Funny as it is actually important with Liquid metal lol
same
Thank you for saying the temperature as celcius along with fahrenheit
why do you need both?
Of course he needed celcius
@@gatorage850 Is this a very subtle joke?
@@gatorage850 Bc there is ppl arround the world watching this vid. That's the same with metric system.
@@gatorage850 exactly just say in celcius
Finally: The perfect amount of liquid metal
This liquid metal matters quite a bit more... For making a mess and avoiding shorts.
Finally*
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@@IslamicTalksPodcast double press haha
Liquid metal penetrates into copper too. After some time quite a lot of liquid metal forms an alloy with copper, making the surface finish uneven. I don't recommend using liquid metal on copper without nickel plating.
Thats true nur you can give it a second Liquidation. After 2 month it hardens.but the transfer Speed ist the Same
I was hoping he was going to nickel plate it. It’s pretty easy
German spotted
@@SevenHunnid ¨no one cares
While is true there will be a reaction, it is not a problem the LM solidifies but the contact between the die and the copper will be permanently good. You can also re apply LM to liquify the alloy. Also after successive applications the copper gets nickel plated from the alloy. It is a false assumption that LM will "penetrate" copper...I've read studies done with electrolisis and high current over long periods and no Galistan penetrates into the copper.
Your theory makes a lot of sense, I was thinking about the outcomes of a "succesful" result while watching the video and I also thought that it would make sense if the "external" temperature was higher, it just means that it was more efficient at taking heat away from the APU.
Yup, the better the heat transfer from the hot chip to the heatsink, the more waste heat will be removed and thus evident from the exhaust. I love how quiet the fan is in all modes, no sudden speed changes from moment to moment and the chimney effect is really super effective!
Could also be that the chip is running hotter. Without a sensor on the chip, there's no way to know if it's doing any better than the regular paste.
@@bokkenka an increase in heat output from the exhaust is that evidence. If heat output decreased (or if the fan sped up), that would indicate poorer thermal performance.
And that fan can/does speed up when thermals are out of whack, for example, when putting a game case on top of the system. The fan will notice heat build-up and will spin noticeably a lot faster.
I can't believe how much liquid metal that small blob turned into... Great video again Steve 😁👍
Yeah, it turned into...the perfect amount.
@@seanyeske 😂😂😂👌
Actually, the amount in the blob is the same amount it turned into... just spread out..😄
You are really close to 1 million subscribers, i hope you reach it really fast because you earned it, i know a lot about the inside of ps4's, ps5's and xbox consoles, the videos i seeb from you were really informative and helpful for problems i came across
Also you need to keep recording Thermals while the system is under full load.
Once the game stops rendering a GPU normally drops about 10 degrees almost instantly.
Tbh, the way of measurement tempeture base on the exterior of the case isn't by far the most accurate. The only way to know the real difference is by a heat sensor that make contact with the die of the APU.
There’s temperature sensor around the APU build inside the console but they won’t let you see it from the OS but if it overheats or something like that it will detect it and shut down automatically
@@Brmeel Can you see it if you have developer mode on console?
Well putting a temperature probe on the heatsink or next to the die is the next best thing. Should have done that maybe.
@@zperdek not sure about the developers mode but probably not
@@robertt9342 that would most probably be your first best thing
Interestingly the same thing occurred when I first got the Series S with MX4 vs factory paste. The external of the case was cooler by about 6⁰C with factory paste
A lot went into the design of the system including the past
What would be really interesting here is seeing a difference in APU temperature. If the console doesn't provide that reading, maybe placing a temp probe on the heatsink as close to APU as possible could work?
Nice! We just added a liquid metal option to our site for the Series X/S.
You make this look WAY easier than it really is to change, fix, or take anything apart.
he has lots of practice 😃
Very appreciated your work here, great video as always, keep up the good work 👍😊..
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@tronicsfix Steve your videos are always enjoyable to watch, I tinker on consoles and laptops myself and it is amazing to see these videos you post showing us the in's, out's, and even showing when you goof up showing that like us even after years of experience you're still human and can and will make mistakes. I'm curious to see any long term damage done to the liquid metal onto that heatsink, say from simulated excessive use from a much anticipated game that came out or something that really makes the APU chug like Assassins Creed Valhalla or another of those heavy usage titles.
Also whether or not that silicon sealant worked after the X got super hot after multiple play sessions and if it affected the liquid metal any.
I know cost has something to do with liquid metal being used in most machines but like you said also it has something to do with certain heatsinks also, that they'd have to be copper.
Another thing I'm curious about is: Sony just issued an update for its PS5 that allows the use of the SSD slot that is on the board. What would you recommend as a way to keep the system cooled with a second SSD in?
Thanks for including both units 😀
Love your videos and been watching for a while now. Ever plan on doing some of the trickier fixes for retro consoles like gpu replacement on an nes or a screen swap on a gameboy dmg?
Would be interesting though to know the core temps prior and after using liquid metal.
Its impossible because there isnt software to monitor. Its all hidden in the OS
Sony and microsoft dont like people messing with their things.
Best he can do is use that laser thermometer
@@muaries12 I will never understand why they don't let the user monitor the temps of the console. Just checking the temperature isn't "messing with things". It's just really important for basic maintenance. The temps can already tell you a lot how dusty it is inside the console.
While probably not possible, this would be the only real evidence that would prove if this solution really works or not.
You can go look up some videos in regard to liquid metal vs. thermal paste for PC components easily enough. It's probably around 2-5c difference, it's never as dramatic as the on paper thermal transfer numbers can lead you to believe.
The only time it's was truly world changing was back when Intel used an awful TIM under their heat spreaders and folks would delid their CPU's and replace it with LM which would drop temps 15-20c. It kind of got this mythical reputation because of that but now everything is either direct touch or uses proper solder TIM under heat spreaders (thank AMD for forcing Intel's hand) and in that world it's not quite as mythical as it used to be.
Awesome experiment Steve!
Wonderful video. Missed your videos
I think when he drove the car in the water near the end it cooled everything down. I'd retest without driving in the water... :P
You're kidding right
@@flankingfoxtrot bruh, haven't heard of water-cooling before?
@@flankingfoxtrot What? No!! Water absorbs heat, it's basic thermodynamics ;)
Absolutely brilliant
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Your video are so interesting to watch, I enjoy them
Love your videos keep them coming!
If you decide to use liquid metal know that the gallium in it will diffuse into the copper in about 6 months and solid indium is left behind making bad contact. Then you need to re-clean and re-apply it. Note the diffusion is permanent and actually degrades the cooler. Ideally you need a diffusion barrier like with nickel or silver plating.
It just comes to show how well optimised the games are for the series x and how good the fan is that no matter what thermal tranfer method you use it stays the same temperature great video steve it surely was interesting and entertaining keep up the great work
Man liquid metal is always better doesnt matter the temps, liquid metal is better cause they give 100 percent contact apu with heatsink, and lm is protect for longer, paste u must change .
Thank you for telling the °C also. Funny idea to do. I didn't think it's hotter with the liquid metal.
Nice video. Only issue I have with your methodology is that in my experience with CPU coolers on PCs is that Temperatures under load drop very quickly (within a couple of seconds) from when the load is removed. My CPU jumps from high 80s to mid 30s within about two seconds of removing the load on the CPU. I think you should be checking the maximum temperature while the load on the CPU is still present. Measuring it several seconds after the load is removed is not as useful information.
Neat video idea, you come up with some great ones.
Very nice upgrade! And incidentally, thanks for the tip on upgrading the Flir app, I was like, what app is he using. I have been waiting for the new update, it's much better.
I’m impressed with the updated app. It looks & works MUCH better than the old one imo
@@Tronicsfix Totally agree! The old one was buggy and too touch sensitive. This layout is much better and the addition of the hottest/coldest spots in the image is really very nice!
You should temp and noise test while running fallout 76. That game will make any console crash.
as an electronic i really enjoy your videos, you got a new suscriber sir.
Nice job Steve! Liquid Metal can possibly be the future of many things
Those were some wicked sweet jumps!
I was thinking the same thing from the start. you would need the temp of the component, not the air around it. still good info! to me, the biggest issue (because it's a console) is less to do with transferring heat but how long will it last.
Great video 👍
the abrupt end left me hanging. I thought he was going to compare all results and give his conclusion and then it just end with iFixIt. I guess we need to infer the data or go back and see what the results are between them all
I didn't even care about watching, just searching comments for the tldr...no dice haha
Well, it makes sense, better conductivity, more heat expelled. it would be interesting to see the temperature of the APU, it is probably lower than with the thermal paste.
This reminds me of how delicate you got to be when removing old past so you don't accidently remove those tiny chips...and that's a great game I put in 4 hours a day in free for all racing adventures on that game and I spend a lot of time customizing the cars, I have lots of cars and 999,999,999 credits
Great idea and a great video as always Steve. The only thing that could've made this video better is cutting 10-15 seconds from each of the sequences where you were playing. Still nothing bad but in my opinion it was a little bit long. Keep uploading these great videos legend
Thanks for the comment. My analytics consistently show more people watching when I’m playing a game so I put more of it in than I normally would have.
Also more of a conclusion at the end.
thank you for the useful video
more of an expert than most... great video
I think you're right in your assumption..LM will result in a hotter heatsink since the transfer is much better. The ultimate test would be to measure the chip's die temperature before and after. Also how clocks are affected.
Interesting video as always! I'm constantly amazed at how compact the Series X is yet still so powerful and consumer-friendly, great piece of engineering. Can't help but look at the liquid metal and think "this is how the T-1000 begins....." though lol
Damn...like always awesome job :) please dont close you channel in future :) your movies should be for next generation kids to see how they should work with electronics :)
Love this content
I love how you always point out that it's riiight the perfect amount of thermal paste 😂👍
Very informative. How ever to me, the risk is not worth the reward. There is not a vast difference to speak of. I would rather be safe with thermal paste, safe to use, easy to clean, non conductive, can be easily reapplied. Is non toxic to aluminum.
There are a lot of things that aren't covered in this video that make this not a great upgrade.
First off, he's completely correct. The temperature coming out of the console is going to be hotter because the liquid metal is spreading more heat from the APU onto the heatsink, but if you think for a moment, that same heatsink also has to pull heat from VRM and other components on the board.
Adding more heat to the SINGLE heatsink in the entire system is not a good idea, you are essentially adding more heat to all your other component. This is why liquid metal makes sense in laptops or desktops, but not such a small form factor like the X/S.
You also really don't have to worry about the conductivity of liquid metal. Using something like clear nail polish around the CPU/APU/GPU to protect capacitors is enough to cover your ass in the case of any spill over.
I totally agree, but for the average joe, NO DO NOT attempt this, leave it to the professionals
I love your videos! I have a new liquid metal lap top with a 2060 and an i7. It only crashed on red dead 2 a couple of times maxed out.. but since the patch with RT it hasn't crashed at all and BF5 is awesome but lag with ultra online as well as GTA no crashes at all at 4k.. I am sold on liquid metal. This is a skinny little laptop that I abuse..
What a satisfying channel.
interesting video, steve! keep up the good work!
Thanks! Will do
Hi, thanks for the video .... I also used liquid metal, spectacular results and I also changed the thermal pads for the vrm .... amazing results .. thanks thanks and thanks ... if you are a fan you don't have to fear the liquid metal .... for example, I used insulating tape around the gpu and there are no problems of dripping ....
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I was thinking to do this to my series but it's so quiet I do t think is worth it yet... Probably in a few years once the paste dries up.
I did change my ps4s thanks to you and I believe is more quiet on average but still turns into a jet engine on heavy workloads. I did add heatsinks to the bottom and two 12v fans to cool it down and the noise is more even now.
Can u do a tutorial video on installing paddles from eXtremeRate on the dual sense controller? There's a couple out there but imo your better at explaining stuff.
Ifix it does indeed make excellent tools.
woaaahh, what an interesting idea! ive always been curious with how liquid metal cools CPUs esp PS5 so its absolutely cool to see how it gonna work on the Xbox series so thank u!!
Glad you enjoyed
just remember, this is conductive....so don't "Accidentally" get it anywhere but where it's supposed to go.
PS5 hahahahahhahahahhahah Sony is going down anyway.
Also Liquid Metal dont geht Bad After years only harden and thats it.the transfer rate is the same
@@mrpix3011 Imagine console warring in 2021
Okay. A few things here.
1. Better thermal paste only increases thermal transfer efficiency.
2. Because of that, the temperatures that change are on the component creating the heat, not the cooler. (Provided the cooler wasn't at its maximum dissipation already.)
3. Short of placing a thermal probe next to the APU and running all tests several times to account for any one offs, any numbers in this video are meaningless. (But even then, as the thermal probe wouldn't be inside the APU itself, the results still wouldn't be applicable to anything.)
4. Liquid metal thermal paste does not "corrode" aluminium. It eats it. Literally changes its properties and weakens it enough to make it useless. (The Gallium is to blame BTW)
Good to see someone else in the comment section understand this sort of thing.
It's interesting to see this test done, but the temperature numbers are meaningless especially since they're within margin of error.
It kinda makes watching this video moot as we have no idea about the true efficiency difference in cooling for the Series X APU with and without liquid metal.
Microsoft Flight Simulator would be the best test for heat
You bet. On XSS especially! 😅
Its good. If heat transfer is better you should see higher temp on the ai coming out. You are actualy moving heat away from the apu
This is so awesome 🆒️
Can you do a re-test under the following conditions:
Run the Xbox under (full) load while re-performing audio and temp measurements.
Place the sound dB unit and set it to measure max peak and average while playing (not saying anything, if possible) - this will tell if the unit ramps up periodically under heavy load/temperature, and how noisy it then is. A better thermal transfer should require less high rpm fan speeds = less noise.
Measure temperatures while the unit is under load. A good thermal transfer should cool off the unit within seconds - so spending a lot of time first measuring noise, cools the unit down to idle temps almost instantly - and your measurements are inconclusive.
Perhaps testing with Cyberpunk 2077 would ramp up temperature/noise figures even more - I heard it is a taxing game.
Edit - Testing while under load = Having somebody playing the game, not sitting in a menu screen
When I first saw the Thermal phone camera saying over 100 degrees I nearly had a heart attack. Then I remembered it was farenheit
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I have been testing with a 1070 card that has been hanging on a Thermaltake Tower 900 for 4 years. It hangs the graphics card with the connector area looking up. So the chip is sideways. Same thing with an AMD 3900x. No spills, but always use clear nail polish on the small resistors immediately off the covered area. Also always apply LM with a very thin layer, if you see even a small bubble, you applied to much. Suck up any excess with the same syringe. Think of it this way, feel the metal on the heatspreader, you feel that roughness (even if it's small)? That is what you going to cover, and no more than that.
I didn't know you can do with liquid metal nice💯
Steve, you must teach us how you put everything down and it magically snaps together. Beats having to screw everything back together!
I love your videos I want to be able to do what you do I want to and I've been checking a lot and try to find a xbox that is broken like you do but I just want the The CPU a bad one cause I'm building a shadow Box project and I want that to be 1 of the main center pieces do you have 1 or nowhere to get 1 and get 1 and thank you for making these videos I learned and so much
I couldn’t find the link to the conformal coating…got it handy? Thanks!
It'd be great if you did a teardown with thermal probes like they did on the GamersNexus TH-cam channel. You'd get much more accurate data than just measuring the exterior vents and case. Still, it's an interesting exercise!
Would be cool if you could record the frequencies being pushed by the apu. Not sure with newer consoles but modern hardware will ramp up frequencies if some requirements are not exceeded like temps to increase performance.
@@jackielyon87 Frequencies are locked. 3.8ghz with 8 threads. 3.6 with all 16.
@@strangestecho5088 but lets say if the apu overheats won’t the frequencies drop?
@@addyrocks1996 Not really. You are developing on a closed system. There really is no way to make the APU overheat in the way a PC APU/CPU might, unless you are literally trying to break consoles. in which case your game will never get green lit anyways and all you accomplished was frying your dev units.
The console supplies a certain amount of power at a constant rate, depending on how many threads are used for the game. As someone above already stated, the Series X will operate at 3.8ghz when using 8 threads, and drop to 3.6 when using all 16.
This ensures a steady temperature and steady gameplay experience for end users.
@@WeinerTouchy not really , some consoles do overheat after a while due to dust build up or the thermal paste getting worn off.
Your theory at end is correct
Did you try playing around with the output resolution for example, 4k vs 1080p? HDR vs SDR? Just curious how much difference the liquid metal would make in these settings.
Great video as always!
Hey Tronic
Any chance you could make a video on the best of the 3 types of fans that come with then PS5. thinking about buy a delta one but not sure if it actually preforms better.
I think they all perform about the same
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You should measure the dofference between the exhaust air and the room temperature, and compare those results to say if it is better, worse, or it is in the margin of error in your tools
Legend says, the Subaru got 40 more hrsprs from the liquid metal.
I'm a little amazed, the Xbox series X is actually very well build and the temperature of the console it's greatly manage to a point where the average temperature of the console it's more than acceptable. I'm an engineer on computer systems an had made a lot of test to the console myself and I had to say Microsoft did an admirable work with this hardware.
The fan boys gonna say "the blue car is coolest than red car" kkkkk...
Great video
Im sure when they created the X SERIES X The method they use would be the best. I heard stories ps5 over heating but not x series x. If there was a overheating problem to begin with then heck ya , otherwise let it be. IMO. AS ALWAYS GREAT TO KNOW. 👌👌👌
Video ended kinda abruptly. I would've liked to see a proper comparison between the stats.
Steve has mastered the TH-camr face.
@tronicsFix can you do a video where you mod the series x expansion port to take regular SSD’s?
If the outside is hotter then it may be removing more heat from the APU. Measuring output heat wont really be a key in understanding the difference on the apu itself.
I wish I could afford an Xbox Series X. Very Informative video.
What thermal camera are you using?
what app do you use for the thermal heat? is it a attachment to the phone
Ever thought about using liquid metal on the Nintendo Switch? Or maybe modding the Switch with a larger heatsink/heatsink-fins or more powerful fan? Do you know of anyone who has tried upgrading the PS5's thermal pad on its RAM? Because from everything I have seen the default factory applied thermal pads are basically garbage and are about 3/4 of the size of the RAM chips (that run EXTREMELY hit) which should mean there's room for improvement right? I've been thinking of trying the things I mentioned but Im a bit of a chicken about it, Lol, mainly because my switch is a launch-model and my PS5 (that I luckily got at retail price) is my only one and well, IT IS A PS5 after all which means if I janked up something I may not get a replacement for a VERY long time. Anyway, love the video and keep up the cool and good work
In my opinion you could make a one more option with cooling down how long it takes to cool down after game to it's normal temperature (before the game)
Have a question for you.... Do you have to use a lowesr capacitor when replacing one and if so why?
Evolution of "The Perfect Amount"
We need a TronixGaming (just an idea) when testing units with game play and getting some content at the same time.
Did you use a decently taxing game? 4k60 or 4k30 with raytracing?
What app are you using for the thermal image?
Very nice video again Steve, I think the liquid metal will show it's value over time when there are games available which push the XBSX to it's limits and also when the themal paste is getting dry and transports less heat to the heatsink. Thx for this nice start of the weekend again :)
Don't put liquid metal in your Xbox. It's not designed for it and will likely cause damage.
@@shtiken No computer is designed for liquid metal bruh..not Ps5 , not PC nothing out there but its the most overall good at reducing heat.
@@neosrt10 Pretty sure liquid metal forms an alloy with copper, and I think the heatsink is copper
@@cmdr101z8 I dont know why your talking about copper and aluminum thats an issue with liquid metal application Im not talking about that..my point is No computer device manufactured is designed to take liquid metal Intel nor Amd designs any cpu to take liquid metal they only factor in metal heatsinks traditional thermal paste and cooling fans..everything else is added ons mods like water cooling and liquid metal. Manufacturers recently started using liquid metal in some builds..it not mainstream at all..Asus was the first to add it to laptops and even now they are having issues with spillage in some cases.
@@neosrt10 The PS5 was designed for liquid metal, they spent a couple years on the implementation of it
Would have been nice to see if a higher quality thermal paste included in the video for another comparison.
hello can you remove the dualsenes vibration motors and placed in dualshock 4 hope if it works just curious can you make video on that
What an art of engineering..... kudos Microsoft !!
Steve can you do this with the Series S. Something I want to try if not better paste from stock.
Is it true that you have a website that teaches how to fix different types of devices?