Edible Education 101: Michael Pollan (2015)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.พ. 2015
- Michael Pollan's Edible Education 101 lecture, "A Brief History of the Modern Food System" streamed live from the University of California, Berkeley.
Edible Education 101 is presented by the Edible Schoolyard Project, UC Berkeley Food Institute, Berkeley College of Natural Resources, and the UC Global Food Initiative with support from the UC Berkeley Chancellor's Office, and Epstein-Roth Foundation.
Full course details: edibleschoolyard.org/ee101
Michael Pollan starts at 8:15
This video should be showing on television shows everyday for a month or more
When I was a little girl, the smell of McDonald's french fries used to make me soooo nauseous. I often had to skip birthday parties there because I would never eat anything along with the other kids..lol..I used to think this made me weird.. but now I think it just meant my instincts were on point!! lol
I love mc Donald's but yah its bad
When college age Japanese women come to the USA s exchange students those that look slim and athletic require about 3 weeks to start looking fat on american fast food!
Ouch Chris. 'Big' opportunity to 'educate'' them in the finer points of healthy 'food' :-)
In other words, learn to give (those) women lots of nice orgasms, and use that as a vehicle to wean them over to healthier food and more babies. Japan's reproduction rate babies per woman is in the proverbial toilet at 1.4. That's terrible. its an all-caps scandal for such a creative and beautiful culture and race
Amazing presentation.
Thank you for sharing. best greetings from Philippines. Stay safe
every sentence of this should be its own soundbite, lets get it together and make this food revolution a life changing event for the world, no more hunger, its possible through family farms and good distribution
Do you recommend any books that explain and talk about the shift from small independent farms to large factory farms using pesticides, the political aspects of these changes (independent farmers were wildly republican), and policy that sets the foundation/framework for these changes?
I wish I could have taken this course. :)
I know in Nova Scotia the farmers in the Annapolis valley, use DEET on a regular basis, they just changed the name of the product, making it legal to use. Also in PEI, one of the greatest producers of potatoes for "McCains" has one of the highest rates of Asthma in Canada.
In the Middle East, you can take your pots and bowls to what they called a "kitchen" and have home cooked meals placed in your pot for a fee. We would have beautiful meals of lamb, rice, salads, pickled veggies...If they can do it why can't we? Is it Capitalism ?
My first thought was liability, honestly speaking. I come from a line of chefs, butchers, farmers. It seems to me that my family always somewhat dealt in food ;). My mom and grandma would often tell me, how back in the days, things were much less regulated and strangely it seems people were in fact healthier.
I remember when I worked at McDonalds and Starbucks they rather threw the leftovers away than giving it to the poor or even their own workers. Seeing all the bins with food made me lose all respect for them. Throwing food away for me is a sin.
The point about processed food being the cheapest thing in supermarkets is just not true. Rice is a lot cheaper and healthier than the numbers he quoted. I did a quick calculation and it comes to about 1500 calories/dollar. Dry beans are pretty cheap as well. If you're struggling to afford food, rice and beans should be your staple meal. Add some veggies and fruits on the side when you can afford it and you have a relatively decent diet.
You beat me to it! But I am not sure we are correct yet. It may depend on the way the land is used long term.
I haven't watched this yet (reading comments while the intro runs) and I'll see his point about "the cheapest" in context soon, but I do assume he would also be factoring in the time it takes to produce a meal from a box vs. the "slower" time it takes to make things like rice and beans.
This is a very good point. Central and South America basically live on beans and rice, not to mention India (daal, or pigeon peas), China and Japan (soybeans).
You can get a 25 pound bag of dry pinto beans for around $25 here in Hawaii at Costco (it's doubtless cheaper in the mainland US.) Dry pintos provide 1340 calories per pound. So beans are about as cheap as rice as far as $/calorie. Even if you throw in a little bit of lard, onions and jarred salsa, it's still less than $1/meal for beans and rice.
As others have pointed out, you have to take time out to prepare a rice or bean dish in order to eat it. Beans usually require soaking overnight before you can cook a dish with them. Most people are also not going to go for rice and beans alone; they are going to want to add flavorings such as spices or some kind of gravy/sauce to pour over the dish. Meanwhile with ready-to-prepare "foods", filled to the brim with salt, sugars, man-made chemicals, etc., all you have to do is heat them for a minute or so in a micro-wave; at worst, toss the contents in a pot and cook for five minutes or so.
So I just looked it up: 100g of rice are 130 calories. 28g (!) of Takis chips are 140 calories. Rice and beans need to be cooked. Takis or soda pop doesnt.
Though rice and beans are cheap BUT you need to invest time and money (cooking them also costs money) to make them edible. While with Takis and pop it’s already “prepared”.
In that regard he is right. I think one should differentiate between food like products and whole foods
subtitulos al español please!
Why people are always raising this question that good food is expensive? I really don't agree with that. We were really not rich and we were able to eat good food. How? Start cooking.. It does not cost that much to buy raw food and cook it. Moreover people eat much more than they should so they really don't need to eat that much food. Mostly when it's good food..
59:22 "Meat eating, if you do it, is one of your most significant contributors to climate change, Changing your diet can do a lot more than what kind of car you drive. Beef is worst of all."
1:05:20 Question: "You said that eating meat is one of the largest impacts on carbon footprint. What impact would you say that becoming vegetarian or vegan can have on the larger system, or is that a personal choice?"
"I think that if we gave up meat eating it would have a tremendous impact. I don't think that's realistic. Meat is an incredibly prestigious food. You go around the world and as soon as people's incomes rise the first thing they want is a car and meat in their diet. The problem is, even as we moderate our meat consumption other countries are increasing it. China most notably. China wants to eat meat at the rates we do. We eat 9 oz. of meat per person per day. And some of us are making up for our vegetarian friends. So we are eating more than that. That's a lot. Worldwatch a few years ago did a little analysis that what if the population of China ate 9 oz. of meat per person and I think their calculation was that we would need 2.3 more worlds to grow all the grain to feed all those animals. Reducing meat consumption, though, is very, very important, I think. And changing the way that we produce it, because there are less energy intensive ways, less polluting ways to produce it.
But in general, politically, a message of "don't eat meat at all" is kind of a loser. Have you heard of Meatless Monday? It's a public health campaign out of John Hopkins and the idea is simply what if we had a day a week that it became the cultural norm that we ate vegetarian. If you go to the website of the centre for livable future at John Hopkins you'll see amazing calculations of how much energy would be saved, how much greenhouse gas would be not emitted. And it would have great benefits.
I don't support eliminating meat, as if it's even worth making that decision, but, I think there is a place for meat, because what was I saying about agriculture? The healthiest agricultural system uses animals in conjunction with plants. You're not going to keep animals on farms just to fertilizer them. If you're going to have animals on farms you're going to eat them. That's one of the reasons that I don't argue for complete elimination of meat eating. The healthiest agricultures that I've seen involve plants with animals.
And then there are all those places in the world, remember, that you can't eat without meat. The land is too hilly or too dry. The thing about ruminants, which is not just cattle, sheep and goats…right now I forget the others, but they can convert land that really can't be used for anything else into really healthy protein. And I'm talking about the dry hills north of San Francisco. You can't put crops on those hills. You'd have to use so much water, and they're so hilly, but they are great places to raise ruminants.
So there is a very sustainable meat food chain that you can conceive, and we have in some examples. So, I warn you off of all or nothing thinking on this example." - Michael Pollan
I did entertain that idea, but when you do the math, it is wrong. ALSO many people should eat meat. There are ways the meat industry can vastly reduce its footprint without spending more money!
It would be an impossible task to sell veganism as a moral imperative. Even with healthful self interest. see Food Inc.
Yes, I found this section self-serving or even contradictory. We, meaning those of us who have plenty of food (and use plenty of pesticides) could give up meat and change the world. The worse it gets, the fewer animal products I eat/use. I'm vegan now. We really don't need to raise sheep in San Francisco. Come on! How faraway is SF from farmlands? Answer: not far! There's plenty of protein in many plant foods. I gave up meat 50 years ago and have never been anemic or gone hungry--in Japan, Turkey, Portugal, Taiwan, or the USA.
who else joining in 2019?
33:00 Why the US government and the industry wanted to reduce the number of small farmers... Very informative speech.
sometimes the things democrats do dont make sense and people still vote
To answer: as it’s way easier to control a small bunch of people than a large bunch. Food or the shortage of it in most cases is not all leads to political and social unrest. I do believe farmers deep down know about the power they have. It is and always will be about power to control the masses.
Neither govts, nor the parties that make them, exist to help anyone but themselves.
If a group votes overwhelmingly in favor of one side, they should expect to come under attack when the "bad guys" get in charge.
the food polity should be a political priority all over the world 🌎 saving in health expenses
the issue with paying more for organic food, or alternative farming methods like vertical hydroponic farming, plant based n lab grown meats isn't the price of these types of foods. it is the subsidies being wasted on n stolen by big agriculture. if those subsidies were fairly n easily distributed to the aforementioned types of farming, the prices for the food being produced by those different alternative types of farming would be more affordable. of course there other factors like logistics, licensing, n accreditation. however, these factors can be easily solved by competent leadership. oh yeah there's another major factor, the lobbyists.
my speakers are all the way up and i have to strain to hear.
something wrong with your computer!
Bizar question. Is this man left handed?
why doesn't fast change fir easy food that serve berms and lentils with rice and and quinoa! withbseeet potato etc healthy and cheap!
I know this show is a very old one 👍as good as it is there is one thing very wrong about it now this days !food gone up crazy not the organic food the regular bad food are so high in price that we old retired people have to cut shopping groceries to half if we want to pay for other bills 😡😡😡
meatless monday = manic mondays
sure we need agriculture...pay the people working on the farms more than 2.00. per hour...pay the min. wage 11.50 per hour, at the least...working on a farm is hard work.
The plosives are driving me mad.
Fish farms feed corn...
no more russet or idaho potatoes for me. don't eat mcd anymore either.
He says that big ag is very powerful in DC. The answer is to make DC less powerful.
William Daher Regulators can already not doing their job, and the outcome is what Pollan just described - the free reign of short term commercial interest. And your response to that is regulating even less? lol
LOL, imagine thinking people will make rational choices about food
As the Amazon burns
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Stop all deep sea fishing, industrial fishing and only allow costal fisherman/fisherwomen, fish. Require them to have boats no larger than 36 feet? or smaller... IF you don't live on the coast, you can't be a fisher-person. I live in Newfoundland Canada. Our fisheries are taking a hit...the fish are disappearing
LOWER CLASS???Wow if that isn't a discriminatory comment...I would have choses less fortunate, Less financially well off...Perhaps we might be mindful that we do not have a cast system at least I don't think we do.
Stay away from fast food. Meat is ver nutritious not only prestigious. If we all stopped eating meat big food an agriculture would find a way to still muck up things
I'm pondering why such an intelligent man talking about such a well though topic should be so fearful of promoting veganism. I'm certain that there are some associations with ethical arguments that he may find unsavoury (pun unintended) when sustainable science is on the table -- "too feely." It's tempting to jump on his obvious love of organically raised meat and accuse him of making decisions via taste buds rather than gray matter -- but that's not it. He has all the information and says all of the right stuff -- 51:50 "The flood of calories that we are getting from these farms is mostly from added or saturated fat from meat and refined carbohydrates...four of the top ten diseases are linked to diet"', "59:22 "Meat eating, if you do it, is one of your most significant contributors to climate change", "Meat is an incredibly prestigious food...China wants to eat meat at the rates we do." The fact that our gluttony has been an abysmal example set for the developing world means that we, for the love of the world, MUST STOP. Stop a little? Meatless freaking Monday, Michael? Shall we reduce the pesticides in your organic meat only on Mondays? Shall I drive a Hummer Tuesday to Sunday? The growth of our population by 1 billion every 15 years means that the "very sustainable meat food chain" (1:08:30) is, to use your phraseology back at you, "a kind of a loser" of an idea. THERE IS NO SUSTAINABLE MEAT. Free range farming produces MORE methane, and obviously far more land resources. Interestingly, I was impressed with your response in the documentary Cowspiracy: The Sustainability Secret when you speculated why environmental NGOs don't promote plant-based diets: "I think they test marketed it and found it a political loser." Absolutely -- tell people that you're going to take away the rib bone they're gnawing on and they'll take the money out of your pocket. So Al Gore leads by silent example by being a vegan, but Climate Reality keeps their sights square on fossil fuels, not mustering the nerve to tell donors the Truth -- that animal agriculture is the largest sector unaddressed by the sustainability intelligentsia. Al Gore knows. Bill McKibben of 350.org knows. Kumi Naidoo of Greenpeace knows. Meat lobbyists, pardon another pun, have them cowed. I wonder if the crowd Mr. Pollan is running with has him similarly muzzled, then reject the idea. From 59:00 onward, his message is justification for the Vegan Manifesto -- except for the part where he says it isn't. At 1:05:58 he says "We eat 9 oz. of meat per person per day, and some of us are making up for our vegetarian friends." What is the solution? Don't have vegetarian friends. BE the vegetarian. BE VEGAN, because milk is the fastest growing bad example we've made for the developing world. Fearing that Big Animal Ag is going to go poof is unreasonable and not worth the amount of fear it gets, but it's a political stick in the spokes of change. Michael kind of waffles over whether voting with your dollar will be a driver for change -- well, how about it? If it fails, then you'll be left with only an ethical lifestyle that bucks corporate greed, gives you a small water and carbon footprint and a longer life expectancy. Doesn't sound like a loser to me...
+Ray Kowalchuk There are sustainable meat raising practices, he just doesn't know about them. Australia is home to some of the most innovative and sustainable farms in the world. And just because you didn't know that these sustainable practices exist doesn't mean you have to type with your CAPS LOCK on. You have to be more professional than that if you want people to take you seriously. I understand vegetarianism and why people do it. I eat vegetarian most days of the week because I am too poor to afford responsibly raised and organic meat (or any meat at all), and I have no problem with most vegetarians. And the literal only reason I have problems with veganism is because every vegan I've met or talked to pushes it on everyone else without having proper facts or a proper argument. I agree that the American meat industry is totally unsustainable, but there are sustainable meat raising practices gaining steam in some parts of the world.
+Lucas Pompey, on the days you eat meat, your water and carbon footprint are expanded over tenfold -- even in Australia. You probably don't want a vegan telling you that soy milk has 28% of the water consumption as cow's milk. Here's my source: waterfootprint.org/media/downloads/Report49-WaterFootprintSoy.pdf Mr. Pollan will fail to discover livestock practices with ten times the efficiency and animal agriculture will alway be the least sustainable option. Thank you for the protocols of professionalism (though you used all caps in the process). It's also a common tactic to point at flaws in punctuation, usage or grammar when one's argument has run out. S'allright, tho -- it's only the Internet. ;)
+Ray Kowalchuk I don't live in Australia (yet), but the farm I was talking about is there. It is called Zaytuna Farm, and it is located near the village of The Channon in New South Wales. They have some of the most sustainable farming techniques in the world. Thats what the farm is dedicated to. The are pioneers in sustainable agriculture, or permaculture, as it's called. And not just livestock raising. They have some of the most efficient systems on the planet. Another great example is the Krameterhoff in the Alpine mountains of Austria where Sepp Holzer turned a steep mountainside Pine monoculture into a gorgeous and abundant wonderland of edibles and he even is growing citrus trees in the high altitude mountains. If you really want to see works of sustainability check out geofflawton.com/ and watch his videos. A great site with very smart people. Also, the soy milk to cow's milk water consumption ratio argument doesn't work when there are sustainable ways to raise livestock that are actually more sustainable and sequester more carbon than even organic soy production could. Soy that isn't raised organically (i.e. more than 90% the soy grown for soy milk) has a huge carbon foot print that could actually be reversed if that land was converted into an advanced cell grazing farm for cattle.
Lucas Pompey Thank you for bringing up Geoff Lawton and Sepp Holzer. I very much agree with you, they are great role models to study and emulate. Have you already heard of Joel Salatin of Polyface Farms in Swoope, Virginia? He's a wonderful farmer, speaker and activist in the food movement in the USA promoting and protecting the rights of farmers. He's worth looking up. I believe that decentralized, local food systems will win out in the end. However, the fight to change the guidelines, policies, regulations and laws, from favoring the industrial models that are currently in use, to establishing the legal right to food choice and the property rights of individuals and farmers. If you look into the legal issues and the way the laws have been made, enforced and changed since the founding of the USA, it is disturbing to say the least. When he brings out how from war to peace time the conversion of equipment/tools/weapons to other uses. Monsanto and the issue of legally patenting life forms and intellectual property rights.... There are so many things that influence and effect the way the food industry and the industries that depend on them, that it is going to be a real fight to change the industry. The good news is the power is and has always been in the people's hands. The best actions we can take are to get into our kitchens (growing, cooking and preserving), to educate ourselves about the products we are using and considering switching to or trying out (do our own research and follow the citations to original articles, etc), and sharing our knowledge and experience with others (invite folks over for dinner, become friends with our local farmers, etc).
Lucas Pompey he knows well about it. He is the one of the people who brought Joel Salatin to spot light. He only has 100 minutes to cover so couldn’t pick a path to just please particular group like vegans. His mantra is eat meat, but not a lot. (But meat from someone like Salatin’s farm)
Omg These intros are unbearable!