Oh, we are permitted to run in Toledo, OH and across from Toledo to Delta, OH and good for 154,000. We are also permitted to run a certain route in Indiana which we are legal for 134,000.
Yes, that is true. I believe that part of the plans for the new Jeep factory in Toledo included this request. Also for a while they wanted 13 axles I believe. As far as Indiana goes, I think it might have something to do with Workmen Comp Ins.
cnrails Route 12/20 through Indiana back to the Michigan line on a permit. Used mainly by steel haulers out of Gary. I pulled 7 axle asphalt tankers out of Whiting on that route.
Thanks for sharing this. I really like the one when your had your windows down. Sounded like a burn out every time it took a corner. I bet those tires don't last long.
Truck drivers annual salaries in Michigan range from about $39,000 to about $165,000 with the average of $63,678. Coast to Coast Logistics LLC is currently paying $11,186 per Month. A normal 40 hour work week (2080 hours a year) would work out to about $65 an hour, but you'll probably be working all sorts of crazy hours.
Im from Ohio and those trucks are your standard 40 ft's and some 28ft doubles. then i moved to Virginia and i still see the same, mostly just delivery trucks. but i need to go to Michigan and see some US road trains. id love to see this kind of stuff daily.
Update from 7 years later, I finally took a trip up to Michigan yesterday and got to see these awesome 8 axle trailers as well as a handful of gravel trains, its been amazing witnessing them in person the videos don't do them justice, its worth the trip and the state is really nice except the roads, they blew my tire and i got stuck there on the side of the highway for hours, other than that i enjoyed myself up there.
Canada allows trains but the weight limit is 139,000 pounds, whereas, in Michigan we are good for 164,000 if you have the correct axle configuration. The person who made this video must live in the tri-cites area because I recognize saginaw areas of the video.
140000 lbs is allowed in Ontario. I've seen Michigan trains up here in Toronto. Compared to you guys we only need 8 axles to haul 140000 lbs where you need 10 or 9 and a spread. Also 140000 lbs is Canada wide.
+Mar Fiam nobody runs a set of trains that heavy in Canada. that's a good way to get an over axle ticket. you are dodging scale houses at 139,000 as it is. b trains have no spread in Canada. steers, drives, triples on the lead, and tandem pup are all a closed group with the exception of the steer axle.
+senyko yes, the Michigan rigs going to Canada have to be below Canada's weight limit. it's 140,000 technically like Jack ass says, but you can axle out at that weight.
The flying j fuel tanker is an Ontario trailer. Ontario banned lift axles and went to self steering axles. They call them SPIF spec. Safety Productive Infrastructure Friendly. The lift axles put too much weight on the static cluster and tears the asphalt off the roads and drivers lift them and forget to put them back down. In Ontario the self steer axles cant be lifted from in the cab. The driver has to get out and turn the valve on the trailer to lift them manually. But they will lift automatically if you back up more than 10 feet or take the weight off and are no longer needed.
Are you sure they banned lift axles? I work for a big trucking company and see them on trailers all the time, especially the Labatt trailers that carry beer. They are tri-axles that have a 4th that can drop and steers.
Ontario grandfathered some lift axles if you want to buy a $450 permit every year. I pull one around for Sleeman brewing a few times a year and trust me SPIF trailers are way better. Once the old trailers are gone no more lifts. Same reason twin steer dump trucks are getting more popular.
Well, all those axles actually do more damage to the road on a tighter turn since the front axles are skidding on the ground around the circumference of the turn.
We have been hearing that forever, but evidence shows not true. Plus, these rigs have been in Michigan for over 50 years. Our roads are better than most high tax union states. JD
@@senyko Did you call Michigan roads good??? lol they have gotten better but still suck. you can see the tankers routes all around my town. Every road leading to the factory is ruined lol. they do something.
@@Petalslash I did not say our roads are good. I said that our roads are better then most union states, such as New York, Penn.,etc. Our trunk line state roads and interstate are decent. The ready bad roads are in Democrat cities.
I think having multiple axels on the trailer, is a way that states with laws requiring multiple axels to make money from companies operating within their State boundaries. My company hauls goods in 48' & 53' trailers. We often pull double & triple trailers.
Que de stupidité de mettre autant d'essieux sans aucun essieu vireur.... c'est anti mécanique ! Surement l'oeuvre d'un fonctionnaire somnolant au fond de son bureau climatisé qui n'a aucune idée des contraintes mécaniques imposées par un tel dispositif!
Translation. That is stupidity to put as axle steering axle....no it's anti-mechanics! Probably the work of a sleepy servant deep in his air-conditioned office that has no idea of the mechanical constraints imposed by such a device! I love it! Your a good man! The only problem is that these rigs have been in use for over 50 years in the one state (Michigan) of the USA and in Ontario, Canada. You can see many more like it by looking at videos under "senyko" search. Also, get more info in the comments section. JS
***** Yes, if the conditions are right the trailer will keep going straight and can cause strange accidents. Also been stories of pulling tires off of the rim. But these incidents are rare. You must remember that these trucks and trailers have been on the road in the state of Michigan for over 50 years. It is a proven system and spreads the weight evenly on the roads. I am not sure what you mean by straps over guards? J>S>
+JrFlexing909 Not that I have heard about. These rigs have been going down Michigan highways for the last 50 years. So, what is used now works the best. JS
Let's be honest, if you were starting from scratch with a commission to design a rig to haul the sort of loads we see in this film, you wouldn't finish up with these anomolies
They reduce the trailer axles to 6, make at least 2 of the 6 steerable. In Ontario Canada we have 6 axles with steers and we can put more weight than in Michigan with 8 axles
The tyre bill must be enormous......but to describe them as "road trains" is not accurate......the ones in Australia are the true road trains. Even Australia's B doubles make these look small.
6:05 bwahahaha XDD it looks like your having frame rate issues with your car XDDDD also those tired on that trailer are probably destroyed within a month. the way they scoot over when the truck makes a sharp turn oh lord those have got to shred quickly.
The same weight spread over more axles does less damage to the road if i remember right? The whole U.S. would benefit greatly if the federal standards for weight were the same as Michigan. I also wonder how those Michelin "super singles" would help cut down costs on duals
+ItalianStallion1415 One of our universities had a project for there students which was to study the effect of these Michigan rigs on the highways. There have been many studies on this topic, and this one again showed that the road damage was less. Don't know about the Michelin super singles, but other singles seem to be doing fine. JS
11 axles and 22 wheels on the first rig seems excessive for this payload - bricks/blocks?. Is it? The tyre scrub on Flying J with all 5 axles running, must be enormous, if they are not self-tracking, which they appear not to be. Why do all these axles have twin wheels? Again is the possible payload so great it needs so many?The Dutch seem to know how to build trailers more suited to their loads, single wheels, self-tracking axles, axle lifts etc.
That's not an answer to my comment. What was the weight of the bricks/blocks or ? on the first rig - we don't know, but 11 axles = 32000 for the double drive + 6 x 13000 for close coupled (78000) + 2 spread 36000 = 146000lbs + something for the front steering axle ? = @73 US tons - doesn't look like that amount on board. In Canada a 3 axle rigid + 2 axle drag can haul @45 tons, double that for 90 tons on lless axles than above QED
lmao half of those guys are turning with the axles down, we have 3 switches that lift 4 of the 8 wheels on the ground, (2 wheels in the back and 2 in the front.)
Who pays for the road damage from tyre scuff from loaded turns on bitumen? Ridiculous axle configuration. Perhaps the Mafia has a hand in pockets for tyre sales. Australia, Oregon, Washington and Canada have much more logical configs for multiple trailers and B-doubles. As for driver pay.....well, Australia would take the honors for reasonable pay for the conditions they drive in.
Sorry, but these trailers have been around for nearly 60 years. Did you see any road damage on the turns? Tires last twice as long because of less weight. These rigs are allowed in Ontario Canada.
...and they are the reason Michigan roads suck, have always sucked, and always will suck. DOT says no. But Michigan either cannot engineer and build roads...or its these excessive load trucks we have everywhere. The other northern states have the same weather as we do, yet they can somehow do a much better job with their roads than Michigan ever has or will. So WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Michigan allows these gravel trains and such. Just watch those fuel haulers or live bottom trailers drag all those wheels on those axles across the pavement. Tearing, stretching, mounding up the black top leading to degeneration of the road bed and potholes, etc. I've lived in Michigan almost all my life of 50+ years and unlike most, even as a kid, I PAID ATTENTION to things.
Michigan is a union, high tax state which means most of the time they have worse roads. If you go to NY, CONN,PA, etc you will see worse roads. If you have had math in school, it would be easy to see axles carry 13000 lbs instead of the regular trucks that are at about 18000 would be better for the roads.. If all states used these rigs there would be 1/3 less trucks. Plus, these rigs have been in Michigan for 60 years.
How come these are so common in Michigan and Ohio but not in the rest of the US? I've seen a lot of these trailers while driving up to Canada through Ohio and MIchigan.
+Sam Mehta Other states are still stuck with 1950 rules. The turnpike (I believe its I90) in New York can pull two 53 foot trailers. That has been going on since the fifties. Maybe also in other eastern turnpikes too. JS
These are called b trains in Michigan and Canada . Super b in western Canada to be accurate . Ohio allows a little heavy haul and Washington allows heavy haul just not as heavy as Michigan or all of Canada . The reason most states don't haul over 80,000lbs. in the USA just like Canada their not worried about ruining the road . What the USA is worried is bridge law. Basically destroying bridges . Yes you can keep putting more axles on to distribute the weight but it's the total gross weight that these states are worried about on the bridge
I70, from St.Louis, going West, allows triples. Trailers from 22's to 53's. When I drove, I would have to pay a fine, every time I hauled a 40t/50t load into Michigan. My trailers never had enough axles to satisfy Michigan road use laws. I don't haul East of the Mississippi River, anymore.
Actually these are b trains . The USA classes them as doubles from the a-train/doubles . A trains can be 26 ft long with 23 k lbs roughly pending your state weight rules. So the b doubles in Michigan are just getting lumped with with the a/Rocky Mountain doubles. But in reality these are b trains. Since they are over a regular 53 ft length with combination trailers and generally can haul 92k lbs weight for a gross weight of around 140k lbs. So yes they are road trains in a b configure Hence b trains . The rest were what is Canadians call Michigan spreads .
Amir Scania You will have a heavy fine and they will confiscate your vehicle. Some of the border states will let you in for a few miles. They are allowed in Ontario Canada.
I was amazed to see this as you use Dollys and cradles to move the heavy stuff instead of platforms like the res of the world , I had always thought this was because of axle spread of the weight , but these kill my thoughts
with that many axles.. it would be really hard for cars to get trapped under the trailers.. i wonder if this is to reduce costs to the car production industries.
That's rediculous. The Yankees haul three times the weight that the southern drivers do. Make more money and do way more damage to thier own roads. Michigan and Chicago omg!!!! Thier roads are shit.... And it's because all those axles and the weight they haul.i want to see them play that bullshit down south.lol.165,000 pounds. They must have 1000 hp engines like the UK does.
Joe, relax. First, it is only one state, Mich and also Ontario, which have had these rigs for 60 years. Common sense says 13,000 lbs spread over a road is better than 34,000 in one spot. Our roads are better than most high tax union states. Chicago is a democrat run city and which have bad roads as all of there liberal cities have. IL is a bankrupt state. You said it, Chicago has bad roads but don't allow Mich rigs! JS
@@senyko Yup IL has very high fuel taxes that get spent on airports, trains,pet political projects, anything but the roads. Chiraq runs the whole state even though their leaders aren't qualified to run a lemonade stand.
Great video mate. I drive Road trains in Australia. In my eyes it is pretty hard on the tyres and axels when they turn with that many axels on the ground, and they are not steerable. What weight can they load with 7 axels on a trailer ??
Thanks, You guys do it right. There are different axle weights depending how close they are. If there close together it is 13,000 lbs per axle. 9 foot apart it is 18,000 per axle. With large tire on steering axle will be 18,000. Generally the drive axles are 32,000. If there using a smaller tire it could go down to 7,500 per axle.
+Ronald Allsbury Our roads are not the best, but better than most high tax, union states. Also, there have been many studies and it has been proven that less pounds per axle is better for the roads. The problem is most people say that there is to many trucks on the road, but really they want more trucks. JS
@@rusdytimbers9033 Ohhh, so climbing up over 2000 ft is just a bump huh, obvious you haven't seen some of the hills in Australia and some of the roads we have to endure. I have driven in both countries and America hasn't got anything close to what Australian drivers have to do.
@@davidwalling3357 you don't drive in traffic like we do tho...it's nothing to be be yourself in the middle of nowhere...downtown Detroit...not so much
These are just a Semi Truck with an extra trailer. Out here we have real road trains, Usually a Kenworth pulling at least three 40 foot trailers and up to 5 trailers. As a lot of our roads are just dusty tracks it can be interesting passing them as there is so much dust that you can only see about 20 feet so you are dependent on the truck drivers instructions. Car drivers need to treat trucks with commonsense.
Well we do most of the time but now and again someone on holidays from the city does not check with the truck driver and then they realise when you are driving through heavy dust and you meet a 180 ton Road train head on with a combined speed of 140 mph then things get a bit life changing. Both of the Road Trains and the car have very poor visibility and the outcome is very sad.
trailers with that many axles are mainly in Michigan they have so many axles so that the weight is distributed more evenly and doesn't tear up the ground, so they say
In Michigan 13000 each axel on a cluster 18000 per on a spread axel 26000 on a tandem 15000 steers 164000 and whatever you can axel after that 32000 on drive axels
+William Brouwers "Turnpike doubles" are allowed in all US states as far as I know, but these 5-8 axles per trailer setups are only allowed in Michigan and Ontario if what I have read is true. In Canada they use "B-Trains" which is a whole different setup.
+Buddy Clem I was wondering if they would just park one trailer and have another truck come and get it, or maybe they just drive to a distribution center.
+William Brouwers I am sure that there will an unload, although I have seen a half of a train down as far as Kentucky. In Toledo they mostly go to the auto plants.
We've learned in australia that axle configations like this destoy roads, that is why we tend to run more trailers and spread the weight amongst more axle groups.
Actually its not the trucks that mess up the road because they only put 13000 lb on each axle its the road repair contractor being cheap wades, not doing a good job combined with michigan weather
Australian-style road trains are great for the open environment of rural Australia, where the roads are large and empty, with gentle curves. North America doesn't always have that (in the U.S., depending on the state on question, you're not supposed to take turnpike doubles into cities. You have to park a trailer and then move around in the city). To give you an idea how hard it is to operate long trucks in North America, see the video "Over-size, over-weight truck test".
"Shortage of drivers"
Sure, there's a shortage of drivers if you're not willing to pay them what they ask for.
Oh, we are permitted to run in Toledo, OH and across from Toledo to Delta, OH and good for 154,000. We are also permitted to run a certain route in Indiana which we are legal for 134,000.
Yes, that is true. I believe that part of the plans for the new Jeep factory in Toledo included this request. Also for a while they wanted 13 axles I believe. As far as Indiana goes, I think it might have something to do with Workmen Comp Ins.
cnrails
Route 12/20 through Indiana back to the Michigan line on a permit. Used mainly by steel haulers out of Gary. I pulled 7 axle asphalt tankers out of Whiting on that route.
+William Merrick I pulled Michigan double years ago but we pull asphalt out of the port over by burns harbor in
dang, I was only legal to about 440,000 lbs on the 98 wheeler lol
I live in Detroit. See these everyday.
Thanks for sharing this.
I really like the one when your had your windows down.
Sounded like a burn out every time it took a corner.
I bet those tires don't last long.
Last much longer then regular tires and brakes. JS
Those trucks look just like the ones in the cartoons, with the shit ton of wheels.
Also, that's good for rubberizing intersections.
Truck drivers annual salaries in Michigan range from about $39,000 to about $165,000 with the average of $63,678. Coast to Coast Logistics LLC is currently paying $11,186 per Month. A normal 40 hour work week (2080 hours a year) would work out to about $65 an hour, but you'll probably be working all sorts of crazy hours.
Nate truck can legally work 70 working hours per cycle . 40 is just half your week.
So no you do not make 65 an hour trust me
Im from Ohio and those trucks are your standard 40 ft's and some 28ft doubles. then i moved to Virginia and i still see the same, mostly just delivery trucks. but i need to go to Michigan and see some US road trains. id love to see this kind of stuff daily.
+Noah Hollingshead Come to Michigan. They are everywhere or just hang around a truck stop.
ZennyBot - Out here in Kansas, we have Road Trains. Triple trailers of 22' to 53'. We also have doubles, same trailer lengths.
MY DAD DROVE ROAD TRAIN FOR 30 YEARS AT ROCKWAY LEASED FROM CENTURY CEMENT HELPED BUILD NEW AIRPORT TERMINAL AT DETROIT METRO .
Update from 7 years later, I finally took a trip up to Michigan yesterday and got to see these awesome 8 axle trailers as well as a handful of gravel trains, its been amazing witnessing them in person the videos don't do them justice, its worth the trip and the state is really nice except the roads, they blew my tire and i got stuck there on the side of the highway for hours, other than that i enjoyed myself up there.
Canada allows trains but the weight limit is 139,000 pounds, whereas, in Michigan we are good for 164,000 if you have the correct axle configuration. The person who made this video must live in the tri-cites area because I recognize saginaw areas of the video.
Does the Michigan rigs going into Ontario limited to 139,000 pounds? JS
140000 lbs is allowed in Ontario. I've seen Michigan trains up here in Toronto. Compared to you guys we only need 8 axles to haul 140000 lbs where you need 10 or 9 and a spread. Also 140000 lbs is Canada wide.
+Mar Fiam nobody runs a set of trains that heavy in Canada. that's a good way to get an over axle ticket. you are dodging scale houses at 139,000 as it is. b trains have no spread in Canada. steers, drives, triples on the lead, and tandem pup are all a closed group with the exception of the steer axle.
+senyko yes, the Michigan rigs going to Canada have to be below Canada's weight limit. it's 140,000 technically like Jack ass says, but you can axle out at that weight.
+Ben We are talking mostly about these rigs in Ontario, not all of Canada. JS
The logging truck trailer is same as in New Zealand. Most of the trucks here are 8 x 4
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you would think that with that many axles at least some of them would caster to save on rubber grinding away on the road
They lift them instead
The flying j fuel tanker is an Ontario trailer. Ontario banned lift axles and went to self steering axles. They call them SPIF spec. Safety Productive Infrastructure Friendly. The lift axles put too much weight on the static cluster and tears the asphalt off the roads and drivers lift them and forget to put them back down. In Ontario the self steer axles cant be lifted from in the cab. The driver has to get out and turn the valve on the trailer to lift them manually. But they will lift automatically if you back up more than 10 feet or take the weight off and are no longer needed.
Are you sure they banned lift axles? I work for a big trucking company and see them on trailers all the time, especially the Labatt trailers that carry beer. They are tri-axles that have a 4th that can drop and steers.
Ontario grandfathered some lift axles if you want to buy a $450 permit every year. I pull one around for Sleeman brewing a few times a year and trust me SPIF trailers are way better. Once the old trailers are gone no more lifts. Same reason twin steer dump trucks are getting more popular.
Well, all those axles actually do more damage to the road on a tighter turn since the front axles are skidding on the ground around the circumference of the turn.
We have been hearing that forever, but evidence shows not true. Plus, these rigs have been in Michigan for over 50 years. Our roads are better than most high tax union states. JD
Well since you can hear the tires sliding I am sure it does do damage. Maybe not at every corner or turn but mi bet the majority of them do.
You will damage the road if you drive on it when it is just paved .
No the tires and bushings in the horns are taking all the brunt from the turn.
@@senyko Did you call Michigan roads good??? lol they have gotten better but still suck. you can see the tankers routes all around my town. Every road leading to the factory is ruined lol. they do something.
@@Petalslash I did not say our roads are good. I said that our roads are better then most union states, such as New York, Penn.,etc. Our trunk line state roads and interstate are decent. The ready bad roads are in Democrat cities.
There’s not toll ways in michigannnnn that’s the reason you don’t see them in Illinois where for each axle they should pay a lot .
Ok
I think having multiple axels on the trailer, is a way that states with laws requiring multiple axels to make money from companies operating within their State boundaries.
My company hauls goods in 48' & 53' trailers. We often pull double & triple trailers.
Thanks, JS
What Noah said. Boot scootin boggie
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Que de stupidité de mettre autant d'essieux sans aucun essieu vireur.... c'est anti mécanique !
Surement l'oeuvre d'un fonctionnaire somnolant au fond de son bureau climatisé qui n'a aucune idée des contraintes mécaniques imposées par un tel dispositif!
Translation. That is stupidity to put as axle steering axle....no it's anti-mechanics! Probably the work of a sleepy servant deep in his air-conditioned office that has no idea of the mechanical constraints imposed by such a device!
I love it! Your a good man! The only problem is that these rigs have been in use for over 50 years in the one state (Michigan) of the USA and in Ontario, Canada. You can see many more like it by looking at videos under "senyko" search. Also, get more info in the comments section. JS
***** Yes, if the conditions are right the trailer will keep going straight and can cause strange accidents. Also been stories of pulling tires off of the rim. But these incidents are rare. You must remember that these trucks and trailers have been on the road in the state of Michigan for over 50 years. It is a proven system and spreads the weight evenly on the roads. I am not sure what you mean by straps over guards? J>S>
***** Thank You! JS
For trucks like this, IT would be nice to have steerable trailer axles so the tires have less scrubbing on the ground when making turns.
+JrFlexing909 That has been tried many times and the cost of maintenance was not practical. JS
I bet their is a lot of broken steer axles then?
+JrFlexing909 Not that I have heard about. These rigs have been going down Michigan highways for the last 50 years. So, what is used now works the best. JS
Let's be honest, if you were starting from scratch with a commission to design a rig to haul the sort of loads we see in this film, you wouldn't finish up with these anomolies
I have steerable lift axles...work great
They reduce the trailer axles to 6, make at least 2 of the 6 steerable. In Ontario Canada we have 6 axles with steers and we can put more weight than in Michigan with 8 axles
Thanks for info. JS
'Swift Drivers'... please please please DO NOT apply for work in Michigan...!!
Alexander Thegreat swift ain't.
The tyre bill must be enormous......but to describe them as "road trains" is not accurate......the ones in Australia are the true road trains. Even Australia's B doubles make these look small.
AUmarcus You are correct! JS
TBH, I wish trailers over 45FT had 3 or more axles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great and all but the wheel/tire/axle/suspension mess under the trailer is additional, unnecessary weight! K.I.S.S.
I need a good, high paying but simple job. I'll look into being a commercial truck tire salesman in Michigan.
the single trailer with all the axles known as a centipede its also a tire killer real hard on rd ways if you turn with all axles down
Ah, these rigs have been on the roads for 60 years. No one has proved this yet and there has been many studies.
really? how long do the tires last ?@@senyko
Michigan centipedes, not road trains,centipede moniker has been around for 60plus years
6:05 bwahahaha XDD it looks like your having frame rate issues with your car XDDDD
also those tired on that trailer are probably destroyed within a month. the way they scoot over when the truck makes a sharp turn oh lord those have got to shred quickly.
ZennyBot we lift extra axles in sharp corners
To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, "THAT's not a road-train......"
Very Good! I like it.
what third world country is this from.
pete a michigan
The same weight spread over more axles does less damage to the road if i remember right? The whole U.S. would benefit greatly if the federal standards for weight were the same as Michigan. I also wonder how those Michelin "super singles" would help cut down costs on duals
+ItalianStallion1415 One of our universities had a project for there students which was to study the effect of these Michigan rigs on the highways. There have been many studies on this topic, and this one again showed that the road damage was less. Don't know about the Michelin super singles, but other singles seem to be doing fine. JS
but Michigan has the roughest roads i94 coming into Michigan from Indiana is hell
senyko uh yeah right. On paper it may sound ok. Answer why our roads here in Michigan are worse than anywhere else in the country.
11 axles and 22 wheels on the first rig seems excessive for this payload - bricks/blocks?. Is it? The tyre scrub on Flying J with all 5 axles running, must be enormous, if they are not self-tracking, which they appear not to be. Why do all these axles have twin wheels? Again is the possible payload so great it needs so many?The Dutch seem to know how to build trailers more suited to their loads, single wheels, self-tracking axles, axle lifts etc.
Figure it out yourself, 13000 lbs each for axles close, spread axles are 18000, the driving tandem is 32,000.
That's not an answer to my comment. What was the weight of the bricks/blocks or ? on the first rig - we don't know, but 11 axles = 32000 for the double drive + 6 x 13000 for close coupled (78000) + 2 spread 36000 = 146000lbs + something for the front steering axle ? = @73 US tons - doesn't look like that amount on board. In Canada a 3 axle rigid + 2 axle drag can haul @45 tons, double that for 90 tons on lless axles than above QED
Front axle is a spread axle. 18,000 or 12,000 depending on tires. I don't know what the items weigh. The last row had just been delivered.
so just playing with individual axle weights?
lmao half of those guys are turning with the axles down, we have 3 switches that lift 4 of the 8 wheels on the ground, (2 wheels in the back and 2 in the front.)
definitely not road trains...
Placement of axle ,tyre combination strange ?
This is murica, who needs steering axles
Ik the maintenance cost a arm and leg
all they need is a road train sticker
Who pays for the road damage from tyre scuff from loaded turns on bitumen? Ridiculous axle configuration. Perhaps the Mafia has a hand in pockets for tyre sales. Australia, Oregon, Washington and Canada have much more logical configs for multiple trailers and B-doubles. As for driver pay.....well, Australia would take the honors for reasonable pay for the conditions they drive in.
Sorry, but these trailers have been around for nearly 60 years. Did you see any road damage on the turns? Tires last twice as long because of less weight. These rigs are allowed in Ontario Canada.
rooshooter the mafia wins the government contracts to rebuild the roads after they take them up.
Mmm let's see hamsters/mafia
Lift axles genus...
...and they are the reason Michigan roads suck, have always sucked, and always will suck. DOT says no. But Michigan either cannot engineer and build roads...or its these excessive load trucks we have everywhere. The other northern states have the same weather as we do, yet they can somehow do a much better job with their roads than Michigan ever has or will. So WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Michigan allows these gravel trains and such. Just watch those fuel haulers or live bottom trailers drag all those wheels on those axles across the pavement. Tearing, stretching, mounding up the black top leading to degeneration of the road bed and potholes, etc. I've lived in Michigan almost all my life of 50+ years and unlike most, even as a kid, I PAID ATTENTION to things.
Michigan is a union, high tax state which means most of the time they have worse roads. If you go to NY, CONN,PA, etc you will see worse roads. If you have had math in school, it would be easy to see axles carry 13000 lbs instead of the regular trucks that are at about 18000 would be better for the roads.. If all states used these rigs there would be 1/3 less trucks. Plus, these rigs have been in Michigan for 60 years.
160k gross total with 8 axles no permits
Yup, 164,000 is most common. This has been going for 60 years.
Do those trucks with the 11 axles stop faster then cars when they are running empty?
Yes. The only issue for new drivers is knowing they stop fast.
How come these are so common in Michigan and Ohio but not in the rest of the US? I've seen a lot of these trailers while driving up to Canada through Ohio and MIchigan.
+Sam Mehta Other states are still stuck with 1950 rules. The turnpike (I believe its I90) in New York can pull two 53 foot trailers. That has been going on since the fifties. Maybe also in other eastern turnpikes too. JS
These are called b trains in Michigan and Canada .
Super b in western Canada to be accurate .
Ohio allows a little heavy haul and Washington allows heavy haul just not as heavy as Michigan or all of Canada .
The reason most states don't haul over 80,000lbs. in the USA just like Canada their not worried about ruining the road . What the USA is worried is bridge law. Basically destroying bridges .
Yes you can keep putting more axles on to distribute the weight but it's the total gross weight that these states are worried about on the bridge
I70, from St.Louis, going West, allows triples. Trailers from 22's to 53's.
When I drove, I would have to pay a fine, every time I hauled a 40t/50t load into Michigan.
My trailers never had enough axles to satisfy Michigan road use laws.
I don't haul East of the Mississippi River, anymore.
I keep hearing that they are tearing up the road. Look at the rig making a U turn. Look at the pavement. That pavement is over 20 years old!
It has to do with highway use laws. Eastern states are using laws dating back to horse & buggy days.
Western states use newer & more progressive laws.
Actually these are b trains .
The USA classes them as doubles from the a-train/doubles .
A trains can be 26 ft long with 23 k lbs roughly pending your state weight rules.
So the b doubles in Michigan are just getting lumped with with the a/Rocky Mountain doubles.
But in reality these are b trains.
Since they are over a regular 53 ft length with combination trailers and generally can haul 92k lbs weight for a gross weight of around 140k lbs.
So yes they are road trains in a b configure
Hence b trains .
The rest were what is Canadians call Michigan spreads .
Well said, thanks. JS
that is many more tires and brakes and bearings also shocks that have to be maintained
+Ronald Allsbury Brakes and tires last 2 to 3 times longer then regular trailers. JS
@@senyko But you 2 to 3 times more brakes and tyres :)
what will happen if this trailer go to other than michigan..
Amir Scania You will have a heavy fine and they will confiscate your vehicle. Some of the border states will let you in for a few miles. They are allowed in Ontario Canada.
or lift all axles but two and have it under 80000
I was amazed to see this as you use Dollys and cradles to move the heavy stuff instead of platforms like the res of the world , I had always thought this was because of axle spread of the weight , but these kill my thoughts
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with that many axles.. it would be really hard for cars to get trapped under the trailers..
i wonder if this is to reduce costs to the car production industries.
+wayne p Huh! JS
That's rediculous. The Yankees haul three times the weight that the southern drivers do. Make more money and do way more damage to thier own roads. Michigan and Chicago omg!!!! Thier roads are shit.... And it's because all those axles and the weight they haul.i want to see them play that bullshit down south.lol.165,000 pounds. They must have 1000 hp engines like the UK does.
Joe, relax. First, it is only one state, Mich and also Ontario, which have had these rigs for 60 years. Common sense says 13,000 lbs spread over a road is better than 34,000 in one spot. Our roads are better than most high tax union states. Chicago is a democrat run city and which have bad roads as all of there liberal cities have. IL is a bankrupt state. You said it, Chicago has bad roads but don't allow Mich rigs! JS
@@senyko Yup IL has very high fuel taxes that get spent on airports, trains,pet political projects, anything but the roads. Chiraq runs the whole state even though their leaders aren't qualified to run a lemonade stand.
So where is the road train? That was a bunch of short ass trucks with too many axles!
Nothing like it in the U.S. except some double 53 foot on New York turnpike. Carries double freight near or more then what your pulling.
tinkham ave in ludington has ones with two trailers
Great video mate. I drive Road trains in Australia.
In my eyes it is pretty hard on the tyres and axels when they turn with that many axels on the ground, and they are not steerable. What weight can they load with 7 axels on a trailer ??
Thanks, You guys do it right. There are different axle weights depending how close they are. If there close together it is 13,000 lbs per axle. 9 foot apart it is 18,000 per axle. With large tire on steering axle will be 18,000. Generally the drive axles are 32,000. If there using a smaller tire it could go down to 7,500 per axle.
Mgn1983 I am a Michigan truck driver and our weight limit is 164k. And that’s with 11 axels total
more axils so they can carry note weight more impact on the highways for damage
+Ronald Allsbury Our roads are not the best, but better than most high tax, union states. Also, there have been many studies and it has been proven that less pounds per axle is better for the roads. The problem is most people say that there is to many trucks on the road, but really they want more trucks. JS
Wouldn’t surprise me of one of those DHT trucks was me 😂😂
Could be! Thanks for the comment. JS
linda manera de pasar el tiempo... demasiados ejes...
come to Australia were the real road trains are
Bradley Mikic Yes, you guys do it right! JS
Bradley Mikic seen those vids. No big deal. No mountains.
@@rusdytimbers9033 Ohhh, so climbing up over 2000 ft is just a bump huh, obvious you haven't seen some of the hills in Australia and some of the roads we have to endure. I have driven in both countries and America hasn't got anything close to what Australian drivers have to do.
@@davidwalling3357 you don't drive in traffic like we do tho...it's nothing to be be yourself in the middle of nowhere...downtown Detroit...not so much
Laws and weight limits
These are just a Semi Truck with an extra trailer. Out here we have real road trains, Usually a Kenworth pulling at least three 40 foot trailers and up to 5 trailers. As a lot of our roads are just dusty tracks it can be interesting passing them as there is so much dust that you can only see about 20 feet so you are dependent on the truck drivers instructions. Car drivers need to treat trucks with commonsense.
Yeah, you guys do it right. JS
Well we do most of the time but now and again someone on holidays from the city does not check with the truck driver and then they realise when you are driving through heavy dust and you meet a 180 ton Road train head on with a combined speed of 140 mph then things get a bit life changing. Both of the Road Trains and the car have very poor visibility and the outcome is very sad.
Bad decisions are made in fog, white outs, dust, etc. They think that they need to be in a hurry. JS
Imagine if they made a law where these setups are allowed everywhere
Their would be 1/3 less trucks on the road
These would not be allowed in California.
We are not allowed in any other state with our setups... Michigan only
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That could get expensive!
trailers with that many axles are mainly in Michigan they have so many axles so that the weight is distributed more evenly and doesn't tear up the ground, so they say
How much weight?
Depends on axle configuration, could go to near 170,000 total pounds.
senyko been 27 years since I was truckin in and around Michigan. I Thanks for the info.
In Michigan 13000 each axel on a cluster 18000 per on a spread axel 26000 on a tandem 15000 steers 164000 and whatever you can axel after that 32000 on drive axels
senyko incorrect it is 164k
who made this law up lol??
Common sense tells the story. If you are on ice or the roads you want to spread the load as much as possible. JS
Yah nah sorry they're not road trains. Just "Over weight" Semi's and B'doubles
How would these guys deliver all their goods if Michigan is the only state two full trailers are allowed?
+William Brouwers "Turnpike doubles" are allowed in all US states as far as I know, but these 5-8 axles per trailer setups are only allowed in Michigan and Ontario if what I have read is true. In Canada they use "B-Trains" which is a whole different setup.
+Buddy Clem Some areas allow triple trailers but limited to certain areas of the Mid-West USA.
+Buddy Clem I was wondering if they would just park one trailer and have another truck come and get it, or maybe they just drive to a distribution center.
+William Brouwers Not likely. They can drive a few miles into Ohio and Indiana. They can go into the city of Toledo, OH
+William Brouwers I am sure that there will an unload, although I have seen a half of a train down as far as Kentucky. In Toledo they mostly go to the auto plants.
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We've learned in australia that axle configations like this destoy roads, that is why we tend to run more trailers and spread the weight amongst more axle groups.
super singles chopping up the road
Actually its not the trucks that mess up the road because they only put 13000 lb on each axle its the road repair contractor being cheap wades, not doing a good job combined with michigan weather
Welcome to Michigan
Keep that over there please!
Australian-style road trains are great for the open environment of rural Australia, where the roads are large and empty, with gentle curves. North America doesn't always have that (in the U.S., depending on the state on question, you're not supposed to take turnpike doubles into cities. You have to park a trailer and then move around in the city).
To give you an idea how hard it is to operate long trucks in North America, see the video "Over-size, over-weight truck test".
1 word. Overkill.