Dear 48 Hours, What happened to the Live to Tell Series? I am looking for the Krystal Surles Courage full video and can't find it. They have several short one but the one you did on her full story was so inspiring and I would like to see it again and share it with my friends. She was such a brave young girl and has grown into a strong woman full of courage.
@user-rp8gk3un5o I completely agree! How she can function in life let alone carry on seemingly care free is absolutely beyond me!! I wouldn't be able to even remotely function...then again, I would have never done it in the first place.
Obviously selfish narcissistic. The value of money was greater than life. Sad because the other two kids have no mother or father. There’s no love for those kids
@alienprepper5918 if you don't wanna pay child support, win custody, fight tooth n nail for your kids. Or pay what you have to pay, the end of the day children are not pawns in people's divorce games, they're not weapons and shouldn't be used as such.
There’s no way that ANYONE even a spouse should be able to cremate someone’s remains when they died under suspicious circumstances, ESPECIALLY when the family is saying so themselves
Divorce lawyer here I had a female client who allegedly hung herself the same night that I ran into her ex at a bar and he told me they were never getting divorced. I fully believe that he killed her. She had a permanent restraining order and the day of her death he was over at the house he was not allowed to be at power washing the garage where she allegedly committed the ACT. He was able to have her body cremated and her children tried to call me to see if I could do anything to stop it but I couldn't.
@@5cabron2what could have been worse? If they all had been killed than at least they would have been "innocent" but like this? Knowing they plotted this? That is incredibly terrible!
@@vissitorsteve no it’s not. This is an issue of moral competency. She knows the difference between right and wrong. This is how they’re able to convict even those who are mentally ill but guilty
i can't understand why she didn't tell her mother immediately what the dad was proposing. does this mean that his life was more valuable than her mother's in her eyes?🤔
I can’t even imagine how devastated Karrie’s sisters must be knowing that they not only lost their sweet mother but that their Dad was responsible and their sister was the accomplice. Their whole entire family demolished in one day. Can you imagine knowing your sister was there to watch over you while their father killed their mother!? Makes me sick!
@Carmel Delaney maybe she wanted approval. Or.. maybe she was too young to know the severity of consequences. I don't know I'm at the beginning 😕. I gotta keep watching .
The whole Idaho 4 murders has gotten me into "True Crime" but man, its depressing. If you watch too much of it your whole interpretation of the human condition changes for the worse
I used to watch this kinda content for years off and on. I realized it was affecting me negatively, it would be the only thing I found entertaining. Now it's just an occasional watch for me.
@@ybbahsetteval then y is he in 100k debt , 6k a month is liker 4or5 fold an average wage and about 10-15 fold what child support should be greed killed this woman
If that girl can do that to her own mother... and get away with it. I can’t imagine what she’s able to do to another person. She needs to be locked up.
Agree. I would not trust her ever again, especially after the conversation on the phone with her father. She was into it. Nobody could have turned me against my mother or father. I would have shared with someone. I would have sat down both with me or, if I feared they would attack each other, talked to a doctor about my fear.
Too much lenience shown for the daughter. I think she was just rewarded for cooperating with the prosecution against her father. She deserved a harsher punishment 100%
Yes she deserved a prison term. And the grandmother, said that Michelle had been tortured for 25 years. Why didn't Jennie help Michelle. Jennie just seemed flippant about her daughter being murdered. We can't truly trust anyone.
I totally agree. I think this grandmother will come to regret rallying for a lesser sentence with this daughter. I do not believe as good as her mother was, she'd be okay with such a minimal sentence knowing what she helped her father do. Sometimes kids are lost forever to an evil parent. Sometimes you cannot undo what that evil parent did to them. So when the grandmother sues the estate on behalf of the other children, what will daughter Carrie do to her on behalf of her meniacal demonic father? Therapy cannot fix her.
@@Lori-db8vl knowing to cover it up doesn’t mean she wasn’t brainwashed, I think parental alienation is horrible, but I’m interested in knowing about court testimony of psychological analysis, because I can’t understand this!
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@@austinvolzke didn't you hear the phone calls between her and her dad that the cops were tapped into? She didn't give a damn and she helped him. Please don't be fooled by the killers cries.
unfortunately she could lie out of that one and say she told him that to make him think she was stronger than she is because she was scared he’d do something to her if he thought she’d talk
She calmly and coldly murdered her mother planning and detailing it out with her father,, no amount of manipulation, no amount of tears would hide that fact... Hearing her discussing with her father in that call,,, shows exactly how determined she was....
She should have gotten 15-25 years for her part. The fact that she talked about turning on the tears for her questioning shows are complicit she was with her father
15-25 years because you choose to interpret her answer to "Could you cry?" - *"I might"* - as "talking about turning on the tears"? That's what I'd get for raping and murdering a random woman for sport. Not defending her - I'd have to walk a mile in her shoes before I could judge - but honesty when I heard her say that (not knowing what her involvement was) her words and tone seemed like she meant she might ACTUALLY cry without trying. I just went back to 23:11 knowing what I now know and it still sounds that way. I'm not religious - and clearly you aren't either - but I do like the theme, the not being so quick to cast stones, the forgiving yadda yadda. Damn dude, she's a teenage girl brainwashed to hate her mum, living with the 'perfect' dad she adores and one day he says he can't pay mum anymore and is taking a header off a parking garage unleeeeeesss... I'd need to walk more than just ONE mile in her shoes to get how messed up that made her 😥
I think a life in prison is adequate. I mean, she did this to her own mother... Imagine what she could do to others. It's just unfathomable... Some people got a life sentence for just being a part of a robbery that went wrong and a person got killed (and they didn't actually participate in the robbery nor killing, they were just there, and they were minors), she participated in all this with a premeditation. She should be locked up for good. It makes me mad she wasn't...
Life is the right sentence for her, she was downstairs while she knew his father was killing her mother, and the she help to put the rope and help him with the dead body, and no remorse when talking about that. No she cry because she got caught, she cry no for the poor mother she cry for her self. Life in prison is the right sentence for her.
I felt that way, too, at first. But, then, I thought of Michelle, who had given the ultimate price, and thought what Michelle would have wanted was the best. It is still possible for Karrie to learn from this and live a decent, good life, which is what Michelle would have wanted. I am glad she served time, though. That was just.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 I hear you, Nicandro. I believe God is a God of mercy, and if she could go on and live a humble and transformed life, then that would be better than another life wasted.
@@jeweliedee4299 that's easy to say every criminal should be in the streets because God is a God of mercy, she didn't care of her mother's life and pain...she not only lie, she facilitated and conspired to get rid of her mother.
@Katelyn Nelly The answer is easy, her father asked her "could u cry" Karrie answered "I might" now we know why she could switch from crying her crocodile tears to normal she was in cahoots with her father they should both fry
@@Lena-so2lq I wouldn't for mine either, but nor would have I condoned her end being the same as that poor woman's. In fact if she'd died like that I would have found it immensely disturbing and distressing. That daughter is one cold cold fish.
Yeah, it is rough to hear. Cringe ! But by the end I'm crying for her mom and Karrie & her sisters. This stuff never bothers me anymore. I know Lloyd is handwashing his boyfriend's boxers and other wifey things now though. So yay! Michelle! Lloyd Suck...
Kerri got away much too easily. She was 19 years old. She was in college, smart enough to know killing her mother was wrong. Parental alienation is a weak excuse. Lloyd was indeed a cold manipulator Kerri was under his control, but she still knew her mother would be murdered, yet she chose to participate in the killing. Her grandmother, DA, and judge let her get off with a slap on her hand. Incredible.
I hate to say this, but I believe Karrie picked up manipulative behaviors from her father, and was able to get out of a lifetime sentence. Listening to the recordings of the conversations with her father, planning what to say to investigators, made my stomach turn. She did not sound remorseful at all. It also seemed strange how her demeanor would fluctuate between tears and then completely sound and put together during her 911 call. I am only a spectator. May GOD have mercy on her.
Kerrie was an accomplice. She’s as sociopathic as her father. She was an adult - 19? Absolutely an accomplice. She deserved much more than she got. I feel sorry for her sisters and mothers parents. For her ? No sympathy whatsoever.
i have no sympathy for her either; people like her make me sick. i would do anything to have my mom back and you have people like her killing theirs. smdh🤬🤬
Parent alienation is horrible. My husband did the same thing by mentally abusing me while doing everything positive for my daughter, purchasing her very expensive gifts, taking her to fun places while I worked or in bed from depression. Yes, she needed to pay a longer price but she most definitely needs extensive mental therapy. It could lead her to always feel in back of mind that is okay to live out the same pattern with others.
daughters learn from their dad's and are in competition with mother from such a young age. even if their dad's ain't there, they will blame their mothers. same with lads but they are one with the mother and in Competition with dad. so I can understand why she would go with her father's plan... she will be at one with her dad so if he killed himself, she would die also.. he caused in her Stockholm syndrome. that can be cured. hopefully it is that cause she didn't get long sentence.
She was extremely manipulated by her psycho father. She deserved punishment, and she also deserved a second chance. 19 is only an adult legally, our brains, especially the parts of it that process emotions and make decisions, are not fully developed until around 25. She was a child, shaped by her father, just like all other children and he father took advantage of her naivety and adoration of him. He victimized her just as he did Michelle, and now she has to live with what she has done. That is enough. I will give her a break.
I like the police chief for catching that she may have been attacked from behind. Thank God he was paying attention to the details and didn’t just blow it off as a suicide.
Parental alienation cannot explain the psychopathic behaviour exhibited by Karrie. For example when she says to her father on the phone 23:17 "That would be a dream" if the investigators left them alone and they could carry on their lives, she says it in a breezy tone and it paints a picture of a bright, untroubled future without the least taint of guilt or remorse.
I was a victim of parental alienation as a child (from my mother towards my father) and i agree. yes, i did feel contempt and other complicated things, but i would have never hurt him under any circumstances, because i still felt a basic level of empathy that all humans feel. this girl was a victim of parental alienation but there was obviously something else going on too, she is a psychopath
Well, I think it is very much possible. When the person who is supposed to teach u right from wrong, who is considered 2nd to god tells u something repeatedly u start to believe it. It is not black and white. You can’t really comprehend unless u have been in the situation.
No she wasn't a child but the manipulation started when she was. He is 100% responsible and this girl will have to live with this the rest of her life. This whole story is horrendous!
@@canduscanty8583 yeah right?? Vulnerable to the point : from crying to normal tone during 911 call. then asked the dad.."should I Cry".then laughing.. Sick of her acting skills. I think she knew damn well what she was doing
Picking your dad over your mom is one thing, but to decide to let your mom get murdered over your dad killing his self is another. She was old enough to know that it was wrong of her Dad to say that and to do that.
Yeah but it sounds like the father had been treating his daughters the same way he had been their mother. Using the courts to hurt the mother and then running back to the daughters playing victim and hero like 'look I'm trying to protect yous but the courts just won't help me'. Sick parents like that out there, and if you've been raised by one like that, you'd know how easy it is to think this person would stop hurting me if they were able to be happy without this 'problem' (the mother) getting in the way. I know it's hard to fathom but it is really like that and that feeling doesn't just go away with age.
I was a damn wild child, even through half of college. I could never imagine murdering ANYBODY, let alone a parent. Self defense or the defense of a loved one might be the exception. Her father is a narcissistic sociopath, Kerri definitely inherited it.
Defense of a loved one is exactly what he used to manipulate her. He was going to die after all if she didn't get involved. He is just as important to her as her mother.
Grandma is a pillar of a saint ❤ Without her there wouldn't be understanding of life and sanity. She is only one who can shed light on these young girls, give them hope. God bless you❤
@@TomikaKelly The sister is as guilty as the father. I am also wondering about the youngest daughter, I understand she's a minor and needs to be protected, but is it really possible that she went through all that happened that night without realizing what was going on? She was 14, not 2...
Wow I can't believe Kerri got a slap on the hand while she watched her mother being murdered, helped during the before and after process and helped to try and cover it up. That's insane.
I’m pretty sure her and the dad were in a ‘relationship.’. when fathers twist their daughter’s minds like that at a very young age it teaches the females to be sinister liars and manipulators themselves, if it doesn’t destroy them. not every victim lets themselves suffer the pain and heal - they can become very cold like their perpetrators.
I think the daughter deserved a much longer sentence. Her mother only gave her love and also fought for her children. After all this, to actually help her father to string up the body. It's so totally unbelievable
That daughter was a victim of brainwashing and narcissism...and is more complicated than "black and white" thinking. But yes, she made the action after all shes been put through .....I feel for her.
The daughter was manipulatively abused by someone who is supposed to love her the most. Year after year during her developmental stages, she had a parent who little by little taught her that he was right, he was safe, that her mom was the enemy. It’s all his fault, not hers. When you’re in your early 20s and still dependent on your parents, you trust them. And even though there are red flags, you choose to trust them because you love them. And you love them because they are supposed to be loving you, and most of the time they appear to be loving you. As someone who has been abused and manipulated (but have been out of that situation for going on 6 years now), it still hurts when I hear the question “why did you stay with him?” We can’t keep placing blame on the victim. The abuser is crafty, is smart. They know exactly how to manipulate and brainwash at just the right pace and with just the right words and when you are at your most vulnerable. They’re sociopathic pariahs. All of their actions are self-motivated and self-serving. This poor girl. She has been hurt for so long and has lost so much. May the Lord bless her life.
@@leahjacoboski2785i think your personal experience is making you too sensitive to someone who aided in the death of the person who brought her into this world. While she was manipulated by dad mom was also active in her life and she STILL choose to help her dad end mom.
To be downstairs looking after her little sister while her dad killed her mum??? This is as disturbing as it gets. She could have and should have gone to the police beforehand. She’s an adult ffs. My heart breaks for Karries mother. She seems like such a kind soul. She’s lost her daughter because of her granddaughter.
It’s an absolute disgrace that Kerrie got such a lenient sentence! Watching her interrogation she’s not a stupid little girl, she’s certainly able to manipulate, attend and help with her mothers death. She knew exactly what she was doing and even discussed on the phone with her father more than once , about what to say to the police. She instigated a lot of those calls. Don’t believe that she’s innocent just because it’s hard to believe that a daughter would do this.
she was manipulated. Being manipulated could make a person do crazy things, especially at 19. Even as adults, we’re so easily manipulated to think certain things are right and others are wrong. She was young naive and was raised to hate her mother. On top of all of that manipulation and hatred, Her father gave her an ultimatum. She will live the rest of her life with that burden, I think the judge made the right choice.
@@hdres90 I agree with you. Her father made her chose between himself and her mother. Had she just chose her mother, she would most likely still have 2 parents! Her father is an awful human being and now this poor girl is going to have to live with the trauma of what her father made her do. And now she has to live with being involved in her own mothers death and with her fathers being the one who manipulated her…. Very sad for that girl to me. I think she’s already serving a life sentence whether she is free or not!
@@hdres90 Funny how all the supposed manipulation ended when she was facing a long prison sentence, she dropped her Dad in it without much hesitation. A truly brainwashed person would not do that and remember she was living an independent life away from her father so just where did the manipulation happen at that stage of her life. She is a gutless wonder, a witch in appearance with a self-inflated ego thinking she is something special which she is certainly not. She should be locked up for life
@@hdres90 I absolutely agree with you and it's appalling to see all the likes of the ice cold and ignorant comment above yours. This is exactly how a brainwashing is done. Karrie is a victim to.
Dang! That one State Trooper straight up pulled a Terry Tate on that cowardly, sociopathic father!! That was so awesome that I re-watched that a few times 😂
@@karaDee2363 the pervasive cult of victimhood that is omnipresent throughout society these days is so disgusting People who refuse to take accountability & others like you who make excuses for them
This poor woman. After all she’d been through, surviving this scumbag, the tumultuous custody case, and thinking Lloyd had given up and walked away…only to have him be the last wretched face she saw as he killed her. Just unbelievable.
Nahhhh. That wire tapped phone call told me all I needed to know about Karrie's mindset. She wasn't sorry her mom was killed she was sorry she got caught! Absolutely despicable she got a slap on the wrist.
If Karrie is my sister I don't think I will be happy to welcome her home from jail. There will be a huge gap between me and her and will probably takes time to heal. Would be nice if she serve at least 10 years in prison so she would have more time to feel sorry and perhaps changes for the better. I will never feel safe beside her. She's an evil person. I watched the whole show and I don't care if she was brain washed by her father the fact that she was an adult and help her father killed her mom makes her a murderer.
The DA made a really important point, " Kerri needs to pay penance for herself" she should've gotten min 10yrs considering how well she played the role of assistance to her father. I wonder if a young adult from a different background would've gotten the same consideration. Unbelievable what the mother sacrificed and did for her children and then this. God rest her soul.
She’s a white women a black person definitely would’ve gotten jail time or life I have seen it in other court cases the system is racist what else is nee
I agree she should have gotten at the very least 10 years, she just got a slap on the wrist. Her father didn't make her choose she could have said your not going to make me choose and then retorted her father. The father is clearly a physcopathic, manipulative, narcissist and its clear to me Kerri has inherited that behavior from her father. It's all so very sad but I do hope that young lady gets the professional help she needs and I pray she's learned a lesson and never ever does anything like this ever again.
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I was hurting about not having a dad, but that was way better than this waste of human being. How could he put his own daughter through this!!! Sickening .
2 things can be true. He emotionally abused and alienated his daughters AND Karrie is a bad human being that stood by while her mother was being murdered. Karrie isn't a victim here. She stopped being one when she helped throw her mother over the stair banister.
Letting her father into the house was more consequential than helping him set the scene. For sure she did a terrible thing but I don't think people can imagine what it's like to be manipulated and groomed by your own father, and what a malign influence that could be. The truth is that she was part victim and part perpetrator.
@@simonw1313 she's cold and remorseless. She could have stopped this from happening. She's only concerned with the insurance money and maybe being with her father.
Imagine walking into a house and seeing a person just standing there, completely still and then realizing she's dead.. horrifying. Such a sad and crazy story. Evil knows no bounds.
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I wish she had done it too. But, I know that children at that age can be badly manipulated. It is difficult for people who have not encountered such cases to understand her action.
She might have known it was wrong but the one person who helped teach her right from wrong obviously played with her and all she was raised to believe. I believe had she not went through helping her father, he would have murdered her as well.
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We’ll see if Karrie has the criminal heart and mind of her father. So much about this says she does. I think her tears were because she got caught, not because she regretted her actions.
That is EXACTLY what I said too! That she isn't upset because this happened! She's upset and crying because she knows it's over and they got found out.... I mean when you hear her talking to her Dad in those recordings, you can hear that she didn't give a crap that that happened to her Mom. She's talking to the guy that killed her Mom like everything is great between them. So that just shows her callousness! I don't think she cared that her Dad did that at all! So yeah I 100% agree with you on your comment about her....
She should have a VERY long sentence. Because even IF she is really manipulated, that means she's vulnerable to manipulation. Other people can easily manipulate her to do horrible things for them. She's better off in prison her whole life to protect other innocent people from her.
She was obviously a Daddy’s girl but Jeez this is an absolute nightmare. I can’t believe she helped him. He NEVER should’ve put his daughter in that position knowing she was having issues with her Mom 🙄 God Bless her Mom
Yeah.It’s not like Kerrie was afraid of her mother or in any danger. She was an adult when she committed the crime and knew her mother loved her. But then again, as an adult who used to be a daddy’s girl, I can tell you that my mom instilling fear in me for God really saved us from chaos. I was a dangerous person
This is the saddest case I have seen in a long time. Seeing the clips of Michelle raising Karrie when she was a baby were heartbreaking💔 to think her baby she loved so much would one day turn her back on her and help end her life. It’s unthinkable. Karrie should of gotten at harsher sentence for sure, if I was her grandmother I would be scared what she is capable of.
I was crying when they showed the tapes of her mom feeding her as w baby...unbelievable what happened years after. I think the daughter is as narcissistic as her father.
These young people think that sex is the answer. That's what drew them together, then they marry, have children, need to pay bill's, become a "responsible" adult. Reality sets in and they are not prepared to deal with it. My advice to these young teens; enjoy being single. Get educated, travel, save money...don't rush to grow up. You are only young once....you will be old for the rest of your life.
@@aizenosaimafidon1119 The OP seems to be blaming the parents for what happened since they had sex early, married really young and had children right out of high school. Tone deaf and lacking in empathy* for Michelle. In hindsight, would this dead mom regret her choices had she survived? Seems like a dumb thing to ponder since nothing can bring her back. 😕 Edited: meant empathy not envy.
@@anitakoch3895 No one knows if they're made for it until they're actually in it. It seems like you and those that agree with the OP lack empathy and wisdom to understand and draw better conclusions. 🙄 Gods, asteroids and black holes, humanity is such a dysfunctional mess.
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She is lying. I believe she was manipulated but unfortunately she became the same monster. Her grief was all an act. Did you hear how quickly her act changed when they asked about her sister?
Karrie should have gotten more. She certainly can switch from pretend crying to being just fine quickly. She was an adult. She could have done things to stop it.
the grandmother is damaging this girl's ability to have a moral backbone by asking the sentence to be lowered. Her feeling of loneliness after losing the daughter may impair her judgement, but horribly damaged her daughter's legacy. She should get accounted for
The manipulation of parents on their children is one of the strongest “bonds“ there are with parents and children. Mothers manipulate their sons and daughters, fathers manipulate their daughters and sons and this has been going on for thousands of years. We judge her by her age, yet that manipulation started when she was a young teen.
The discussion between the father & daughter about crying is very telling on the daughter. I think she was more involved and narcissistic like her father. She only turned against her father to save herself.
Are you kidding me?! Did you listen to the wire tap tapes? That girl knew exactly what she was doing, and did not care one bit! I agree he had convinced her that her mom was the enemy, probably from a young age. Unfortunately that happens all the time one parent playing a child off of the other. But, all that means is that she knew what she was doing, And was fine with it because she hated her mom. She clearly was not remorseful, felt no sense of shame or feeling that she did something wrong on those tapes. She was calm and trying to figure out how best to spin her story to the police. That interview was pathetic she was clearly faking it she had said she was going to try to cry. I cannot believe she only got a few years. If she had been a male, the sympathy would not have been there. Unbelievable she should still be in jail. And what about the other two girls? Are they convinced also their sister was manipulated, where is the remorse and pity and anger for their mother? This is disgusting
This case is wild. No normal person, with a relatively normal childhood would agree to killing of their mother! Even a thought of that is sickening and enraging. This is just absolutely chilling, she's surely a psychopath. All the crying is staged
I wasn't sure. I thought with the "that would be the dream" she might be trying to please her dad (might be schaed of him). Until I heard the "I put her in the car". That seemed so cold, also very different from the desperate crying moments before. I do think she's a psychopath and a dangerous one at that..
This should NEVER have happened - Karrie had a choice - to save her own mother or her father. She had better alternatives than taking the life of another, particularly her mother. The court should not have let her go and instead incarcerated her for the time she is to serve.
I met a friend of a friend in Sacramento years ago at a BBQ. Two weeks later he killed his wife and tried to get his teenage daughter to take the blame. He told her she wouldn’t do much time if convicted, but he would, so she should tell the cops she did it. She came clean to the police and he went to prison. I’ll never forget it.
The daughter only getting 1-3 years for her mothers death is a slap in the face to her mothers legacy . She was the gateway for her father mothering her mother. They both are manipulative. She was laughing and enjoying life before she got caught. She even said she would try to cry. She can save those crocodile tears!
Rarely! Go look at most offenders cfiles they have wrap sheets longer than the Bible some with no prison time. They get plenty of chances believe me. Looked at too many to count.
I grew up with a narcissistic mother. She brainwashed my brother (her favorite child) to dislike my father starting at a very young age. It's a very difficult thing to understand unless you've experienced it or have seen it. Hearing Karrie sounds very familiar unfortunately so I believe her. Lines get skewed when a parent is involved.
Some people don't get what a monster her father was, he was fake compassionate and used that daughter. The disapline described at a young age says it all
that’s why i really can’t say much about her sentence, i’ve been the other sibling on the side of a narcissistic parent and a vulnerable sibling. unless you really know what it feels like for a grown adult who raised you to spew hate into your head about the world and the people around you you just can’t get it. not excusing what she did at all in the slightest, i just don’t think other commenters understand that there’s nuances to things like this
This is so hard! I definitely can see the father narcissistic behavior and brainwashing there, but is this girl able to have a normal life out here? Will she ever be able to have a normal life and respect others as a healthy human being in our society?
Carrie knew about Lloyd’s plans beforehand. She could have/ should have notified Michelle or the authorities and both parents would still be alive. She had options. She’s as guilty as Lloyd.
I asked for no child support to rid myself of my obsessive ex. I was employed and made enough money and opportunity for advancement. It was the best decision I ever made. He moved.
Big Red Flag if a partner wants you isolated from friends & family. Get out of there immediately. As for Kerrie, it’s unbelievable she was so malleable. On the phone, father & daughter sound more like lovers than a normal father & daughter having a chat. Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a sexual relationship involved. But she had a choice. She knew right from wrong. How could she do that to the mother who loved and nurtured her?? She should have called the police on her father. She should have got the same sentence as her dear daddy.
Her whole act during the police interview is contradicted by how psychopathic she was on that call discussing the crime with the dad. It is absolutely nauseating that a daughter could do that to her own mother. There was something sickening, an intimacy bordering on incestuous between daughter and father.
I'm not surprised what the evil ex husband did..but for Karrie to be involved is horrific and unforgivable..She had plenty of time to tell police what her father was planning to do to her mother..I don't feel sorry for her at all..I know her Dad manipulated her and used her to gain entrance into the house and to keep her silent..But she should've known better of what kind of man her father was by the way he treated them and their mother
I think the sentence is too lenient with the daughter. The daughter was an adult she knew what she was doing she could have stopped it she ended up choosing one parent over the other she should suffer the consequences of her choices.
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Disappointed all of the video have a common theme. There are many other victims...... that look different not included in this list.
hei, what was that episode featured at the end of this video?
Teaching at a local college is a instructor not a professor.
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Dear 48 Hours, What happened to the Live to Tell Series? I am looking for the Krystal Surles Courage full video and can't find it. They have several short one but the one you did on her full story was so inspiring and I would like to see it again and share it with my friends. She was such a brave young girl and has grown into a strong woman full of courage.
I cannot even begin to imagine the sense of betrayal the mom felt in her last moments!
More than Ive experienced 💔
Well said! Her mom died knowing her daughter had betrayed her. What a tragedy. How can Karrie live with herself? I don't get it, at all.
@user-rp8gk3un5o I completely agree! How she can function in life let alone carry on seemingly care free is absolutely beyond me!! I wouldn't be able to even remotely function...then again, I would have never done it in the first place.
💔
@@dionnedunsmore9996 This is not about you though, with due respect...
As a dad to 2 girls, even if I hated their mother, I love my kids too much to take that away from them. This man didn't love his kids, he loved money.
Obviously selfish narcissistic. The value of money was greater than life. Sad because the other two kids have no mother or father. There’s no love for those kids
Waoo, sure he didn't
Wait you contemplate k1lling PPL u ate? That's unfortunate
Yeah but were you paying 6000 a week for child support?
@alienprepper5918 if you don't wanna pay child support, win custody, fight tooth n nail for your kids. Or pay what you have to pay, the end of the day children are not pawns in people's divorce games, they're not weapons and shouldn't be used as such.
There’s no way that ANYONE even a spouse should be able to cremate someone’s remains when they died under suspicious circumstances, ESPECIALLY when the family is saying so themselves
He wasn’t even a spouse. They were divorced.
Right! It should be a law that in any even slightly suspicious death, the body should be held for a period of time.
agreed!
Divorce lawyer here I had a female client who allegedly hung herself the same night that I ran into her ex at a bar and he told me they were never getting divorced. I fully believe that he killed her. She had a permanent restraining order and the day of her death he was over at the house he was not allowed to be at power washing the garage where she allegedly committed the ACT. He was able to have her body cremated and her children tried to call me to see if I could do anything to stop it but I couldn't.
@@onemorechance2037Oh my god. That's so sad. I'm sorry you went through that.
Is it bad that when the cops stated, "he's on the wall and going to jump," that the first words out of my mouth were, "PUSH HIM!" 🤣
I can’t help but hurt for the younger sister. She lost her whole family in the worst way possible.
It could have been worst.
@@5cabron2what could have been worse?
If they all had been killed than at least they would have been "innocent" but like this? Knowing they plotted this? That is incredibly terrible!
@@5cabron2exactly it could of been worse even though this is seriously bad it could have been worse
@@5cabron2
😊Ppd😊plp
No, she didn't... She still has one more sister.
Karrie had a choice. Tell her mother, or go to the police. She knew right from wrong.
Correct...
I disagree. It is too simplistic to simply say "She knew right from wrong."
@@vissitorsteve no it’s not. This is an issue of moral competency. She knows the difference between right and wrong. This is how they’re able to convict even those who are mentally ill but guilty
i can't understand why she didn't tell her mother immediately what the dad was proposing. does this mean that his life was more valuable than her mother's in her eyes?🤔
I agree. She was just as responsible for her moms death as her crazy father.
I can’t even imagine how devastated Karrie’s sisters must be knowing that they not only lost their sweet mother but that their Dad was responsible and their sister was the accomplice. Their whole entire family demolished in one day. Can you imagine knowing your sister was there to watch over you while their father killed their mother!? Makes me sick!
Unimaginable...
No sympathy for that cruel daughter.
Cruel and evil Father
@Carmel Delaney maybe she wanted approval. Or.. maybe she was too young to know the severity of consequences. I don't know I'm at the beginning 😕. I gotta keep watching .
Whatever happened to divorce as an option?
The whole Idaho 4 murders has gotten me into "True Crime" but man, its depressing. If you watch too much of it your whole interpretation of the human condition changes for the worse
I used to watch this kinda content for years off and on. I realized it was affecting me negatively, it would be the only thing I found entertaining. Now it's just an occasional watch for me.
Did that guy get the death penalty? I know the guy that killed the 10 year old little girl is getting killed on the 19th. I always follow true crime.
@@cartergomez5390 They're not even close to trial yet
Right?? This is not helping my trust issues! Yet here I am...
Lloyd - Could you cry? Starts laughing.
Karrie - I might and also starts laughing.
Something was really off in this father and daughter relationship.
yup.
Gotlandia
Agree, something was very off in their relationship.
me too.
I feel like maybe they've had a sexual relationship at some point
@@nicolekear3911 i feel like too...
Its hurts me that the mother was surrounded by evil in forms of her own husband and daughter. May she rest in peace.
That is so disturbing
That $6k a month in child/spousal support would hurt me.
@@TomikaKelly they go based off of income.
She is her father’s daughter…
@@ybbahsetteval then y is he in 100k debt , 6k a month is liker 4or5 fold an average wage and about 10-15 fold what child support should be
greed killed this woman
If that girl can do that to her own mother... and get away with it. I can’t imagine what she’s able to do to another person. She needs to be locked up.
that's true...cold sociopath in the making.
Agree. I would not trust her ever again, especially after the conversation on the phone with her father. She was into it. Nobody could have turned me against my mother or father. I would have shared with someone. I would have sat down both with me or, if I feared they would attack each other, talked to a doctor about my fear.
She was locked up, but I think she only got 3 years, and only served one. Not justice.
@@willerling6960 oh Lord... catfish from Nigeria
she fooled the cops , smh
Too much lenience shown for the daughter. I think she was just rewarded for cooperating with the prosecution against her father. She deserved a harsher punishment 100%
I don't think she was brainwashed. I think she is just a very cold person.
I agree. She knew right from wrong; she wasn't that brainwashed. She def knew to cover it up
Yes she deserved a prison term. And the grandmother, said that Michelle had been tortured for 25 years. Why didn't Jennie help Michelle. Jennie just seemed flippant about her daughter being murdered. We can't truly trust anyone.
I totally agree. I think this grandmother will come to regret rallying for a lesser sentence with this daughter. I do not believe as good as her mother was, she'd be okay with such a minimal sentence knowing what she helped her father do. Sometimes kids are lost forever to an evil parent. Sometimes you cannot undo what that evil parent did to them. So when the grandmother sues the estate on behalf of the other children, what will daughter Carrie do to her on behalf of her meniacal demonic father? Therapy cannot fix her.
@@Lori-db8vl knowing to cover it up doesn’t mean she wasn’t brainwashed, I think parental alienation is horrible, but I’m interested in knowing about court testimony of psychological analysis, because I can’t understand this!
Idk why CBS is finally giving us full episodes, but I def appreciate it. I like watching in YT so I can read peoples comments while watching!
I find myself looking for comments while watching Netflix or Hulu I think TH-cam is my favorite because of the comments
If you like the format, there are podcasts for 20/20, 48hours, Dateline, and many others. It’s just the audio but it’s easy to follow I think. Just a thought for a fellow enjoyer 😊
@@emcdonald496 me too sis
Me too!
I never really realized why I liked TH-cam but I think you’re correct.
Giving birth to your own killer is unbelievably sad 😢
Omg it really is 😭🤮
Explain how she is responsible?
@@austinvolzke 😅
@@austinvolzke Uuuhhh...WHAT?!?
@@austinvolzke didn't you hear the phone calls between her and her dad that the cops were tapped into? She didn't give a damn and she helped him. Please don't be fooled by the killers cries.
She talked about fake crying and then in every interview/confession she is crying. How did they let her off so easy?
Exactly 🤦🏽♀️
unfortunately she could lie out of that one and say she told him that to make him think she was stronger than she is because she was scared he’d do something to her if he thought she’d talk
Right I'm with u on that
I don't think she was talking about fake crying. I think she was saying she could really cry. Because it's so f****** sad.
@@joiathegreatExactly because when he asked her too she said she might and I took it as she might really cry because of this
She calmly and coldly murdered her mother planning and detailing it out with her father,, no amount of manipulation, no amount of tears would hide that fact... Hearing her discussing with her father in that call,,, shows exactly how determined she was....
👍 exactly!! I was sayin’ they made a deal with the devil.
Isn't it nice that everything is either black or white? Hope you never get to know that there is a lot of shades inbetween.
Perhaps the dad was going to split the life inumo sy with her.
@@CologneCarterthis WAS black and white! Wth are you talking about?
How come they like the father so much
She should have gotten 15-25 years for her part. The fact that she talked about turning on the tears for her questioning shows are complicit she was with her father
15-25 years because you choose to interpret her answer to "Could you cry?" - *"I might"* - as "talking about turning on the tears"? That's what I'd get for raping and murdering a random woman for sport. Not defending her - I'd have to walk a mile in her shoes before I could judge - but honesty when I heard her say that (not knowing what her involvement was) her words and tone seemed like she meant she might ACTUALLY cry without trying. I just went back to 23:11 knowing what I now know and it still sounds that way.
I'm not religious - and clearly you aren't either - but I do like the theme, the not being so quick to cast stones, the forgiving yadda yadda. Damn dude, she's a teenage girl brainwashed to hate her mum, living with the 'perfect' dad she adores and one day he says he can't pay mum anymore and is taking a header off a parking garage unleeeeeesss... I'd need to walk more than just ONE mile in her shoes to get how messed up that made her 😥
Exactly.
I think a life in prison is adequate. I mean, she did this to her own mother... Imagine what she could do to others. It's just unfathomable... Some people got a life sentence for just being a part of a robbery that went wrong and a person got killed (and they didn't actually participate in the robbery nor killing, they were just there, and they were minors), she participated in all this with a premeditation. She should be locked up for good. It makes me mad she wasn't...
Life is the right sentence for her, she was downstairs while she knew his father was killing her mother, and the she help to put the rope and help him with the dead body, and no remorse when talking about that. No she cry because she got caught, she cry no for the poor mother she cry for her self. Life in prison is the right sentence for her.
This. She’s already out and a free woman.
The fact that she didn’t immediately call the police, and even considered taking her mothers life is unforgivable!
I felt that way, too, at first. But, then, I thought of Michelle, who had given the ultimate price, and thought what Michelle would have wanted was the best. It is still possible for Karrie to learn from this and live a decent, good life, which is what Michelle would have wanted. I am glad she served time, though. That was just.
@@jeweliedee4299 she's a woman criminal! she was 18! christ! the grandmother is HORRIBLE ... the grandma is not allowing her to be a woman
We have to forgive one another, as the LORD has commanded, but I do not feel sorry for her, and her tears. Plain EVIL.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 I hear you, Nicandro. I believe God is a God of mercy, and if she could go on and live a humble and transformed life, then that would be better than another life wasted.
@@jeweliedee4299 that's easy to say every criminal should be in the streets because God is a God of mercy, she didn't care of her mother's life and pain...she not only lie, she facilitated and conspired to get rid of her mother.
How Karrie can go back and forth between talking normally and "crying" is jusr bizarre. Its extremely chilling
It sure is.
You learn what you live! This was grade A "parental alienation" by the father!
@Katelyn Nelly The answer is easy, her father asked her "could u cry" Karrie answered "I might" now we know why she could switch from crying her crocodile tears to normal she was in cahoots with her father they should both fry
coping skills vary from person to person
Noticed this too.
My mother is 72 and has loved and forgiven me for so many things. I will take care of her the rest of my life. This is absolutely shocking and sick
Thats because she was an angel on earth. I wouldnt do much for mine.
@@Lena-so2lq I wouldn't for mine either, but nor would have I condoned her end being the same as that poor woman's. In fact if she'd died like that I would have found it immensely disturbing and distressing. That daughter is one cold cold fish.
Most mothers are heroes..mine sure is and I will protect and care for her always 🤍
How she’s crying hysterically on the phone one second and when asked if her sister was safe she immediately stopped lol
She’s a sociopath…
Yeah, it is rough to hear. Cringe ! But by the end I'm crying for her mom and Karrie & her sisters. This stuff never bothers me anymore. I know Lloyd is handwashing his boyfriend's boxers and other wifey things now though. So yay! Michelle! Lloyd Suck...
I heard that too…. That was a huge f- you to her mom
That's a sociopath for ya.
There was a delay between those two conversations.
Grandma better be careful with letting Karrie spending the night
Blood is thicker than water
@@superpixelated7354 enough blood to help take her mom out smh
Totally agree with you
Stop it. You do not know that. If she g’ets the right help she can live her life and grief her mother.😊
But you do not know about forgiveness🥵
@@tmfromdenmark9158 One can forgive and at the same time understand that a murderer must suffer the consequences of their actions.
"Could you cry?" *Laughs*
This makes my hair stand on end...
I'm shocked at the ridiculously light sentence Karrie got. Devalues her mother's life.
Understand PARENTAL ALIENATION. then judge.
Seeing the cop tackle Lloyd was extremely satisfying.
Yes!!!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Kerri got away much too easily. She was 19 years old. She was in college, smart enough to know killing her mother was wrong. Parental alienation is a weak excuse. Lloyd was indeed a cold manipulator
Kerri was under his control, but she still knew her mother would be murdered, yet she chose to participate in the killing.
Her grandmother, DA, and judge let her get off with a slap on her hand. Incredible.
He was a psychopath...plain and simple. A psychopath father can damage a daughter in ways that are hard to imagine or comprehend.
my guess her whole life he wpuld talk bad about her and alienate the kids from her. that was many years in the works.
I disagree. She was clearly under extreme trauma and terrified to go against this man for her own safety
Exactly
@@carolinelaronda4523 always excuses...this is what is wrong with the world. The girl knew damn well what she was doing period
I hate to say this, but I believe Karrie picked up manipulative behaviors from her father, and was able to get out of a lifetime sentence. Listening to the recordings of the conversations with her father, planning what to say to investigators, made my stomach turn. She did not sound remorseful at all. It also seemed strange how her demeanor would fluctuate between tears and then completely sound and put together during her 911 call. I am only a spectator. May GOD have mercy on her.
100% agree.
Absolutely!!!!
ON POINT !!!!!!!!
The genes made her do it!
Well stated...
My ex did this to our two children. Judges and lawyers HELPED HIM. I ESCAPED SOUTH CAROLINA. THANK GOD!
Kerrie was an accomplice. She’s as sociopathic as her father. She was an adult - 19? Absolutely an accomplice. She deserved much more than she got. I feel sorry for her sisters and mothers parents. For her ? No sympathy whatsoever.
i have no sympathy for her either; people like her make me sick. i would do anything to have my mom back and you have people like her killing theirs. smdh🤬🤬
Parent alienation is horrible. My husband did the same thing by mentally abusing me while doing everything positive for my daughter, purchasing her very expensive gifts, taking her to fun places while I worked or in bed from depression.
Yes, she needed to pay a longer price but she most definitely needs extensive mental therapy. It could lead her to always feel in back of mind that is okay to live out the same pattern with others.
daughters learn from their dad's and are in competition with mother from such a young age. even if their dad's ain't there, they will blame their mothers. same with lads but they are one with the mother and in Competition with dad. so I can understand why she would go with her father's plan... she will be at one with her dad so if he killed himself, she would die also.. he caused in her Stockholm syndrome. that can be cured. hopefully it is that cause she didn't get long sentence.
She was extremely manipulated by her psycho father. She deserved punishment, and she also deserved a second chance. 19 is only an adult legally, our brains, especially the parts of it that process emotions and make decisions, are not fully developed until around 25. She was a child, shaped by her father, just like all other children and he father took advantage of her naivety and adoration of him. He victimized her just as he did Michelle, and now she has to live with what she has done. That is enough. I will give her a break.
Parental alienation does that!
I like the police chief for catching that she may have been attacked from behind. Thank God he was paying attention to the details and didn’t just blow it off as a suicide.
How horrible!
Praying for the rest of the family, their loved ones, and friends.
Parental alienation cannot explain the psychopathic behaviour exhibited by Karrie. For example when she says to her father on the phone 23:17 "That would be a dream" if the investigators left them alone and they could carry on their lives, she says it in a breezy tone and it paints a picture of a bright, untroubled future without the least taint of guilt or remorse.
I was a victim of parental alienation as a child (from my mother towards my father) and i agree. yes, i did feel contempt and other complicated things, but i would have never hurt him under any circumstances, because i still felt a basic level of empathy that all humans feel. this girl was a victim of parental alienation but there was obviously something else going on too, she is a psychopath
Well, I think it is very much possible. When the person who is supposed to teach u right from wrong, who is considered 2nd to god tells u something repeatedly u start to believe it. It is not black and white. You can’t really comprehend unless u have been in the situation.
@@202sujatajindal8I agree.
Zero Remorse. Scary af
@@202sujatajindal8 agreed
1 to 3 years? Paroled after little over a year? Disgusting.
I really don’t understand why people are referring to Kerrie as a child. She most decidedly was not a child….
She wasn’t a child but young enough to be manipulated by a grown adult.
@@carmenarocho1932 right still very vulnerable
No she wasn't a child but the manipulation started when she was. He is 100% responsible and this girl will have to live with this the rest of her life. This whole story is horrendous!
@@canduscanty8583 yeah right?? Vulnerable to the point : from crying to normal tone during 911 call. then asked the dad.."should I Cry".then laughing.. Sick of her acting skills. I think she knew damn well what she was doing
If she wasn't a child, she certainly wasn't an adult in any meaningful sense. And she was also subordinated and groomed by her father.
That video of her mother feeding her when she was just months old made me shed tears. She betrayed her Mother.Karrie is a monster
Heartbreaking😔 and Karrie is evil. The rotten apple does not fall far the tree.
feeding her killer. when you in the camp of your enemy.
Karrie is 100% evil incarnate…
I wouldn’t say she’s a monster but she should have spent at least 10 years in jail.
@@janetmccoy7945 yes shes a monster for what she did goofy
Picking your dad over your mom is one thing, but to decide to let your mom get murdered over your dad killing his self is another. She was old enough to know that it was wrong of her Dad to say that and to do that.
Im sure she would agree if it concerned someone else.
The dad did a huge mindfek on her.
All she had to do was notify authorities. She chose not to. God help us, this girl is a sociopath.
Not being held responsible for your actions is exactly why we are where we are today.
Kerri knew exactly what she was doing. Her grandmother is too kind to forgive her granddaughter.
I think that’s just normal love. Too bad the girl didn’t have that for her momma.
@@animula6908 it ain’t love, it’s something sick
Exactly!!! She and her dad were smiling and laughing on the phone.
Wanted the dad to get life and the daughter to get nothing. Smh.
Yeah but it sounds like the father had been treating his daughters the same way he had been their mother. Using the courts to hurt the mother and then running back to the daughters playing victim and hero like 'look I'm trying to protect yous but the courts just won't help me'. Sick parents like that out there, and if you've been raised by one like that, you'd know how easy it is to think this person would stop hurting me if they were able to be happy without this 'problem' (the mother) getting in the way. I know it's hard to fathom but it is really like that and that feeling doesn't just go away with age.
That detective having a -what looks like a painting -hanging up on his wall to remind him why he does his job is actually sweet.
What is the timestamp for that?
@@sairysv8625 31:42
I was a damn wild child, even through half of college. I could never imagine murdering ANYBODY, let alone a parent. Self defense or the defense of a loved one might be the exception. Her father is a narcissistic sociopath, Kerri definitely inherited it.
Defense of a loved one is exactly what he used to manipulate her. He was going to die after all if she didn't get involved. He is just as important to her as her mother.
@@msmiami212 Neither parent was important to her (Karry) She did it for the share of the life insurance.
What what, in the buttbutt is what her dad played. It’s her favorite game. 😀
@@LyndaCoulson64 this i believe was one of the reason..it was never discussed but Karie wanted to live alone i guess she wanted the money too
You don't inherate sociopathy, it is Learned. Psychopathy...yes....you can be born that way.
Grandma is a pillar of a saint ❤ Without her there wouldn't be understanding of life and sanity. She is only one who can shed light on these young girls, give them hope. God bless you❤
Sickening. The daughter should’ve had the book thrown at her for her helping her father. I’d never forgive my sister for taking my mother away
The sister didn't take the mother away; the father did.
A twisted family!
@@TomikaKelly The sister is as guilty as the father. I am also wondering about the youngest daughter, I understand she's a minor and needs to be protected, but is it really possible that she went through all that happened that night without realizing what was going on? She was 14, not 2...
Exactly.. If my sibling took my mother away from me and the rest of my family Id hate her for the rest of my life.
@@antg9673 same!
Karrie had 2 months to tell the cops and she was away from her father long enough to do it without him hurting her, she should told the cops.
Karrie had plenty of opportunity to do something different from what she did she wasn't a baby.
she hated her mother
Did everyone miss the part about parental alienation?
It wasn’t physical fear, it was emotional damage.
@@hdres90 No wonder the GOP has a chance.
Wow I can't believe Kerri got a slap on the hand while she watched her mother being murdered, helped during the before and after process and helped to try and cover it up. That's insane.
I’m pretty sure her and the dad were in a ‘relationship.’. when fathers twist their daughter’s minds like that at a very young age it teaches the females to be sinister liars and manipulators themselves, if it doesn’t destroy them. not every victim lets themselves suffer the pain and heal - they can become very cold like their perpetrators.
I can believe it
a person capable of doing that to her own mother shouldn't be out and about in society
This trial was a joke. Karrie knew exactly what she was doing.
FACTS! The daughter was just as in on it as her dad.
I think the daughter deserved a much longer sentence. Her mother only gave her love and also fought for her children. After all this, to actually help her father to string up the body. It's so totally unbelievable
She should have because he told her that the motive was money!!!
That daughter was a victim of brainwashing and narcissism...and is more complicated than "black and white" thinking. But yes, she made the action after all shes been put through
.....I feel for her.
The daughter was manipulatively abused by someone who is supposed to love her the most. Year after year during her developmental stages, she had a parent who little by little taught her that he was right, he was safe, that her mom was the enemy. It’s all his fault, not hers. When you’re in your early 20s and still dependent on your parents, you trust them. And even though there are red flags, you choose to trust them because you love them. And you love them because they are supposed to be loving you, and most of the time they appear to be loving you.
As someone who has been abused and manipulated (but have been out of that situation for going on 6 years now), it still hurts when I hear the question “why did you stay with him?” We can’t keep placing blame on the victim. The abuser is crafty, is smart. They know exactly how to manipulate and brainwash at just the right pace and with just the right words and when you are at your most vulnerable. They’re sociopathic pariahs. All of their actions are self-motivated and self-serving.
This poor girl. She has been hurt for so long and has lost so much. May the Lord bless her life.
She is narcissistic just like dad
@@leahjacoboski2785i think your personal experience is making you too sensitive to someone who aided in the death of the person who brought her into this world. While she was manipulated by dad mom was also active in her life and she STILL choose to help her dad end mom.
To be downstairs looking after her little sister while her dad killed her mum??? This is as disturbing as it gets. She could have and should have gone to the police beforehand. She’s an adult ffs.
My heart breaks for Karries mother. She seems like such a kind soul. She’s lost her daughter because of her granddaughter.
Grandma might be next if she doesn’t tread lightly around her granddaughter
Hopefully the other two sisters aren’t psychopaths like Karrie
Did you mean your heart breaks for Michelle’s mother maybe? SHE is the one who lost her daughter because of her granddaughter
Wow! So it's All the granddaughter fault?? Not the devil dad whom terrorized his "family" from birth! And, actually did the killing??
MOM. Em. Oh. Em. Mom.
It’s an absolute disgrace that Kerrie got such a lenient sentence! Watching her interrogation she’s not a stupid little girl, she’s certainly able to manipulate, attend and help with her mothers death. She knew exactly what she was doing and even discussed on the phone with her father more than once , about what to say to the police. She instigated a lot of those calls. Don’t believe that she’s innocent just because it’s hard to believe that a daughter would do this.
she was manipulated. Being manipulated could make a person do crazy things, especially at 19. Even as adults, we’re so easily manipulated to think certain things are right and others are wrong. She was young naive and was raised to hate her mother. On top of all of that manipulation and hatred, Her father gave her an ultimatum. She will live the rest of her life with that burden, I think the judge made the right choice.
@@hdres90 I agree with you. Her father made her chose between himself and her mother. Had she just chose her mother, she would most likely still have 2 parents! Her father is an awful human being and now this poor girl is going to have to live with the trauma of what her father made her do. And now she has to live with being involved in her own mothers death and with her fathers being the one who manipulated her…. Very sad for that girl to me. I think she’s already serving a life sentence whether she is free or not!
haters gone hate, you will die young, burning yourself up from the inside, your choice
@@hdres90 Funny how all the supposed manipulation ended when she was facing a long prison sentence, she dropped her Dad in it without much hesitation. A truly brainwashed person would not do that and remember she was living an independent life away from her father so just where did the manipulation happen at that stage of her life. She is a gutless wonder, a witch in appearance with a self-inflated ego thinking she is something special which she is certainly not. She should be locked up for life
@@hdres90 I absolutely agree with you and it's appalling to see all the likes of the ice cold and ignorant comment above yours. This is exactly how a brainwashing is done. Karrie is a victim to.
Dang! That one State Trooper straight up pulled a Terry Tate on that cowardly, sociopathic father!! That was so awesome that I re-watched that a few times 😂
There was no way Lloyd was going to throw himself off that garage roof.
Same here 😂
I think Kerry , the daughter should have served more time. She was alienated allright but She was an adult. She understood what was happening!
She was under her father's spell of control...
@@karaDee2363 Stop. She knew it was wrong. That’s an excuse
@@karaDee2363 the pervasive cult of victimhood that is omnipresent throughout society these days is so disgusting
People who refuse to take accountability & others like you who make excuses for them
Exactly.
she just hated her mother.. period
This poor woman. After all she’d been through, surviving this scumbag, the tumultuous custody case, and thinking Lloyd had given up and walked away…only to have him be the last wretched face she saw as he killed her. Just unbelievable.
She would have known the daughter was complicit, as well.
Nahhhh. That wire tapped phone call told me all I needed to know about Karrie's mindset. She wasn't sorry her mom was killed she was sorry she got caught! Absolutely despicable she got a slap on the wrist.
Not surprised honestly.
Exactly.
Karrie and Lloyd's conversation over the phone screams guilty
Lloyd: Could you cry a little?
Karrie: I might.
Agree
If Karrie is my sister I don't think I will be happy to welcome her home from jail. There will be a huge gap between me and her and will probably takes time to heal. Would be nice if she serve at least 10 years in prison so she would have more time to feel sorry and perhaps changes for the better. I will never feel safe beside her. She's an evil person. I watched the whole show and I don't care if she was brain washed by her father the fact that she was an adult and help her father killed her mom makes her a murderer.
The DA made a really important point, " Kerri needs to pay penance for herself" she should've gotten min 10yrs considering how well she played the role of assistance to her father.
I wonder if a young adult from a different background would've gotten the same consideration. Unbelievable what the mother sacrificed and did for her children and then this. God rest her soul.
Well, she's somewhere out there.
She also had connections in law enforcement. So that helped her case.
She’s a white women a black person definitely would’ve gotten jail time or life I have seen it in other court cases the system is racist what else is nee
😢absolutely not we both no the answer too that!!!(sad but so so very true unfortunately
I agree she should have gotten at the very least 10 years, she just got a slap on the wrist. Her father didn't make her choose she could have said your not going to make me choose and then retorted her father. The father is clearly a physcopathic, manipulative, narcissist and its clear to me Kerri has inherited that behavior from her father. It's all so very sad but I do hope that young lady gets the professional help she needs and I pray she's learned a lesson and never ever does anything like this ever again.
Karrie wasn’t crying because she was sad about her Mom - she was crying she got caught.
Nennie C
👍🏿Agree.
Me too. Karrie's tears were of the crocodile variety.
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fake tears to draw sympathy from the cops and court system , and it worked
After. Np remorse here. Father and daughter psychopath team
I was hurting about not having a dad, but that was way better than this waste of human being. How could he put his own daughter through this!!! Sickening .
2 things can be true. He emotionally abused and alienated his daughters AND Karrie is a bad human being that stood by while her mother was being murdered.
Karrie isn't a victim here. She stopped being one when she helped throw her mother over the stair banister.
Letting her father into the house was more consequential than helping him set the scene. For sure she did a terrible thing but I don't think people can imagine what it's like to be manipulated and groomed by your own father, and what a malign influence that could be.
The truth is that she was part victim and part perpetrator.
literally
@@simonw1313 she's cold and remorseless. She could have stopped this from happening. She's only concerned with the insurance money and maybe being with her father.
@@meera2531 someone had to manipulate her into becoming that way. You do realize that parents are a DIRECT INFLUENCE on this children, right??
Karrie is one evil women
Imagine walking into a house and seeing a person just standing there, completely still and then realizing she's dead.. horrifying.
Such a sad and crazy story. Evil knows no bounds.
Makes me hungry.
@@ricksomething eewwaaaa Jeffrey freaking Dahmer⁉️🫣😯🙄
How was the person just standing there if they were dead
@@maryjeanglenn2486 Suspended by the neck?
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Carrie had plenty of time to go to the police for help. She knew what she was doing.
I wish she had done it too. But, I know that children at that age can be badly manipulated. It is difficult for people who have not encountered such cases to understand her action.
She might have known it was wrong but the one person who helped teach her right from wrong obviously played with her and all she was raised to believe. I believe had she not went through helping her father, he would have murdered her as well.
@Susan I completely agree! She knew right from wrong!!
You’re not understanding that she had experienced a lifetime of psychological manipulation by such an essential, controlling figure in her life.
I COULD NOT AGREE MORE 😱😭😡☹️😤
Karrie could have gone to the police, could have told her mother of her father's plans. Unbelievable.
The daughter was fake crying as she promised her dad she would. Should have received longer time in jail.
I cannot believe Karrie only got 1 to 3 years. Ridiculous. She allowed her mother to be murdered. She should have gotten 10 years minimum
She helped Plan it not just allowed it.
If Karrie was male there’s no way she would only get 1 to 3 years.
@JohnnyNoPockets aka Who Dat Gamecat It was actually White privilege, but go off..
@JohnnyNoPockets aka Who Dat Gamecat The same way you let tv convince you that "female privilege" exists? 🙃🤡
@@TomikaKelly why always involve racist of every thing !!!!!!
The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. We’ll see if Karrie has the criminal heart and mind of her father. So much about this says she does. I think her tears were because she got caught, not because she regretted her actions.
That is EXACTLY what I said too! That she isn't upset because this happened! She's upset and crying because she knows it's over and they got found out.... I mean when you hear her talking to her Dad in those recordings, you can hear that she didn't give a crap that that happened to her Mom. She's talking to the guy that killed her Mom like everything is great between them. So that just shows her callousness! I don't think she cared that her Dad did that at all! So yeah I 100% agree with you on your comment about her....
She should have a VERY long sentence. Because even IF she is really manipulated, that means she's vulnerable to manipulation. Other people can easily manipulate her to do horrible things for them. She's better off in prison her whole life to protect other innocent people from her.
@@maldust7438 Yes also her eyes are dead/ cold and she showed zero remorse on the phone calls
Agree!!
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What a truly tragic story. Prayers to the family. Glad to here Lloyd recieved a life sentence.
She was obviously a Daddy’s girl but Jeez this is an absolute nightmare. I can’t believe she helped him. He NEVER should’ve put his daughter in that position knowing she was having issues with her Mom 🙄 God Bless her Mom
She wasn't a little girl though, she was a grown woman. I personally think she should have been fully held accountable.
@@kate_is_great I agree with you, but her Dad was NO Dad… I can’t believe she didn’t call 📱 the Police IMMEDIATELY.. Chilling 💔😳
Her mother loved her. Her father didn’t.
Yeah.It’s not like Kerrie was afraid of her mother or in any danger. She was an adult when she committed the crime and knew her mother loved her. But then again, as an adult who used to be a daddy’s girl, I can tell you that my mom instilling fear in me for God really saved us from chaos. I was a dangerous person
And when i read Stevent King’s 1922 i was shocked and appalled. Seems like it was not a fiction at all
This is the saddest case I have seen in a long time. Seeing the clips of Michelle raising Karrie when she was a baby were heartbreaking💔 to think her baby she loved so much would one day turn her back on her and help end her life. It’s unthinkable. Karrie should of gotten at harsher sentence for sure, if I was her grandmother I would be scared what she is capable of.
I was crying when they showed the tapes of her mom feeding her as w baby...unbelievable what happened years after. I think the daughter is as narcissistic as her father.
These young people think that sex is the answer. That's what drew them together, then they marry, have children, need to pay bill's, become a "responsible" adult. Reality sets in and they are not prepared to deal with it. My advice to these young teens; enjoy being single. Get educated, travel, save money...don't rush to grow up. You are only young once....you will be old for the rest of your life.
Not sure how that applies in this case?
I couldnt agree more. Stay single if you are not made for it.
What does that have to do wi th this case
@@aizenosaimafidon1119 The OP seems to be blaming the parents for what happened since they had sex early, married really young and had children right out of high school. Tone deaf and lacking in empathy* for Michelle. In hindsight, would this dead mom regret her choices had she survived? Seems like a dumb thing to ponder since nothing can bring her back. 😕 Edited: meant empathy not envy.
@@anitakoch3895 No one knows if they're made for it until they're actually in it. It seems like you and those that agree with the OP lack empathy and wisdom to understand and draw better conclusions. 🙄 Gods, asteroids and black holes, humanity is such a dysfunctional mess.
This is honestly the scariest case on here.
It's terribly sad😪 and unnatural
What a heartbreaking story ! It broke my heart to see Michelle feeding baby Kerrie with such love, knowing how it would all end. 💔
His arrogance is appalling as his his daughter’s behavior with him. She needed at least a 25 year sentence.
he took a plea deal but still got life without parole... lol, arrogant and a dunce
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She is lying. I believe she was manipulated but unfortunately she became the same monster. Her grief was all an act. Did you hear how quickly her act changed when they asked about her sister?
She is guilty just as much as her father. She could have warned her mom or called the cops. She chose to let her mom die. It's dad.
When the dad threatened suicide Karrie should have said, "We will miss you."
Karrie should have gotten more. She certainly can switch from pretend crying to being just fine quickly. She was an adult. She could have done things to stop it.
Apple doesn’t fall far from her father’s tree apparently.
the grandmother is damaging this girl's ability to have a moral backbone by asking the sentence to be lowered. Her feeling of loneliness after losing the daughter may impair her judgement, but horribly damaged her daughter's legacy. She should get accounted for
She did say she thought about what her daughter would want and that her daughter wouldm't have wanted her to get a long sentence.
@@tamitribbiani7907 that is something horrific to say to be honest.
@@nicandromartinezsotelo3300 What the Grandmother said?
Unbelievable that she got 1-3 years. She wasn’t a child. Anyone else would have gotten much more.
Well, she was a woman so......
@@Eventual-Visitor and a white one. Jus' say'n
@@angelafranklin2267 you beat me to it!
The manipulation of parents on their children is one of the strongest “bonds“ there are with parents and children. Mothers manipulate their sons and daughters, fathers manipulate their daughters and sons and this has been going on for thousands of years. We judge her by her age, yet that manipulation started when she was a young teen.
@@angelafranklin2267 FACTS
What a lovely granny she speaks so well and is a so eloquent 🙏🙏
He was so concerned with child support that the mother of his children's life didn't matter? Mind blowing
The discussion between the father & daughter about crying is very telling on the daughter. I think she was more involved and narcissistic like her father. She only turned against her father to save herself.
Are you kidding me?! Did you listen to the wire tap tapes? That girl knew exactly what she was doing, and did not care one bit! I agree he had convinced her that her mom was the enemy, probably from a young age. Unfortunately that happens all the time one parent playing a child off of the other. But, all that means is that she knew what she was doing, And was fine with it because she hated her mom. She clearly was not remorseful, felt no sense of shame or feeling that she did something wrong on those tapes. She was calm and trying to figure out how best to spin her story to the police. That interview was pathetic she was clearly faking it she had said she was going to try to cry. I cannot believe she only got a few years. If she had been a male, the sympathy would not have been there. Unbelievable she should still be in jail. And what about the other two girls? Are they convinced also their sister was manipulated, where is the remorse and pity and anger for their mother? This is disgusting
I know it's sick that she only got 1 to 3 years.
"If she would've been a male" (lol your ego is extra fragile young jedi)
Six thousand a month in child support for one kid! That’s unbelievable.
He was 100k in debt. there was no way he could off survive that.
I believe Kerrie needs to go to prison. She was 19 at the time, not a child, she knew what she was doing.
This case is wild. No normal person, with a relatively normal childhood would agree to killing of their mother! Even a thought of that is sickening and enraging. This is just absolutely chilling, she's surely a psychopath. All the crying is staged
I wasn't sure. I thought with the "that would be the dream" she might be trying to please her dad (might be schaed of him). Until I heard the "I put her in the car". That seemed so cold, also very different from the desperate crying moments before. I do think she's a psychopath and a dangerous one at that..
I can’t believe she conned everyone and only got a few years. She’s psycho. Can you even imagine how the family moves on from this?
This should NEVER have happened - Karrie had a choice - to save her own mother or her father. She had better alternatives than taking the life of another, particularly her mother. The court should not have let her go and instead incarcerated her for the time she is to serve.
I met a friend of a friend in Sacramento years ago at a BBQ. Two weeks later he killed his wife and tried to get his teenage daughter to take the blame. He told her she wouldn’t do much time if convicted, but he would, so she should tell the cops she did it. She came clean to the police and he went to prison. I’ll never forget it.
The daughter only getting 1-3 years for her mothers death is a slap in the face to her mothers legacy . She was the gateway for her father mothering her mother. They both are manipulative. She was laughing and enjoying life before she got caught. She even said she would try to cry. She can save those crocodile tears!
Wow! Meanwhile our injustice system sends non violent offenders to prison for years. I will never understand these ridiculous sentencing policies.
Rarely! Go look at most offenders cfiles they have wrap sheets longer than the Bible some with no prison time. They get plenty of chances believe me. Looked at too many to count.
Thank goodness you're not a judge
People should really be more selective of who they procreate with.
I grew up with a narcissistic mother. She brainwashed my brother (her favorite child) to dislike my father starting at a very young age. It's a very difficult thing to understand unless you've experienced it or have seen it. Hearing Karrie sounds very familiar unfortunately so I believe her. Lines get skewed when a parent is involved.
I agree its very hard to suddenly "grow up" and be reasonable if you have been manipulated and "brainwashed" as a child.
Some people don't get what a monster her father was, he was fake compassionate and used that daughter. The disapline described at a young age says it all
that’s why i really can’t say much about her sentence, i’ve been the other sibling on the side of a narcissistic parent and a vulnerable sibling. unless you really know what it feels like for a grown adult who raised you to spew hate into your head about the world and the people around you you just can’t get it. not excusing what she did at all in the slightest, i just don’t think other commenters understand that there’s nuances to things like this
@@d3stiny57 agreed
This is so hard! I definitely can see the father narcissistic behavior and brainwashing there, but is this girl able to have a normal life out here? Will she ever be able to have a normal life and respect others as a healthy human being in our society?
Such a betrayal from her daughter. Men will betray you but your own children?? It's so despicable
Which means women will betray you as well because that is what she was. A young adult woman.
not all men, women aren't as loyal either. All humans are flaw
Ignorant statement when it was her daughter who betrayed her mother. The husband was estranged and didn't live with her
Carrie knew about Lloyd’s plans beforehand. She could have/ should have notified Michelle or the authorities and both parents would still be alive. She had options. She’s as guilty as Lloyd.
Almost
I asked for no child support to rid myself of my obsessive ex. I was employed and made enough money and opportunity for advancement. It was the best decision I ever made. He moved.
The part where she says “yeah she is in my apartment” is crazy, the tears stopped when she said that hmm😢
Karrie not only covered for her father, she assisted!
Big Red Flag if a partner wants you isolated from friends & family. Get out of there immediately. As for Kerrie, it’s unbelievable she was so malleable. On the phone, father & daughter sound more like lovers than a normal father & daughter having a chat. Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a sexual relationship involved. But she had a choice. She knew right from wrong. How could she do that to the mother who loved and nurtured her?? She should have called the police on her father. She should have got the same sentence as her dear daddy.
Her whole act during the police interview is contradicted by how psychopathic she was on that call discussing the crime with the dad. It is absolutely nauseating that a daughter could do that to her own mother. There was something sickening, an intimacy bordering on incestuous between daughter and father.
I’m having a VERY difficult time with how this girl just accepted the killing of her MOM over the suicide of a controlling dad😵💫DaFuk?!?
I think the dad and her were doing it, probably most of her life.
@@stephaay8437 hate to say it but yeah, i kinda figured something incestuous might have been evolving.
The way she laughed when talking to her dad about crying with the police. Absolute disgrace, she should’ve been locked up for life.
I'm not surprised what the evil ex husband did..but for Karrie to be involved is horrific and unforgivable..She had plenty of time to tell police what her father was planning to do to her mother..I don't feel sorry for her at all..I know her Dad manipulated her and used her to gain entrance into the house and to keep her silent..But she should've known better of what kind of man her father was by the way he treated them and their mother
There could've been police there to protect Michelle.
Again a child.
@@GROWTH42 not having a good life bud. Ate you okay?
@@GROWTH42 life was simpler kind of. Not that I had it. But learn to love the good stuff we've been given by our GoodFather.
Wow just what I said. I hope we never have to hear about her again in good way ;)
I think the sentence is too lenient with the daughter. The daughter was an adult she knew what she was doing she could have stopped it she ended up choosing one parent over the other she should suffer the consequences of her choices.
FACTS!