Les Paul VS SG Whats The Difference
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I really enjoyed your laymen terms on harmonics of the string. Cant wait to win the guitar
I've been a subscriber of your channel since your "Are Roasted Maple Necks Worth It" video. I've learned so much from your videos and you gave me the courage to modify my Squier strat, I've always liked tinkering with stuff so I'm really looking forward to seeing you upgrade the Ibanez AX120 which is the guitar I voted for so I'm excited that's the guitar you picked, really hope I win,
It would mean a lot 👍
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Another good video and explanation. Appreciate you keeping it simple. Thank you!
That was a true education as to WHY they sound different-(or any other manufacturers pickup position choice) have to say that guitar your going to give away would have a nice clean house if you send it by way
it is so sad that you have to hyper address the trolls so you can explain it to the rest of the world. this is my comment to win the guitar
I appreciate you contributing to the whole tone argument using topics that can be tangibly understood, and that are not just attributable to vintage mojo. Thanks much for your content!
I have never heard anyone talk about these measurements. This is a whole new pool of info for me to obsess over.
You've now got me curious as to the history of how guitar manufacturers made decisions on pickup placement.
Yep
I’m usually very conscious of that and part of the reason I use my Gibson Explorer so often (especially lately) is because of how far apart the pickups are from one another. I tend to use the neck pickup far more on my guitars because I usually like as warm a tone as possible, but if I throw the switch and activate the bridge pickup, the guitar becomes demonstrably bipolar.
I didn’t like the wide swing of a Gibson Les Paul Classic 1960 Reissue. It had a Gibson 496R and a 500T. I found myself only using the 496 in the bridge. A 496R and a 498T work well together as does a 498R and a 500T, but a 496R and a 500T just have too wide a sonic spread (at least to MY ear). I have a pair of Seth Lovers in the Gibson Explorer and the pickups really complement each other very well (at least to MY ear), but I still find myself playing the neck pickup on it about 90% of the time.
Lotta trial and error. Moving the pickup around and deciding what sounded best.
@@alanshewitt Yeah, at last in the earlier years.
I never actually considered the pickup placement difference between the two styles. Damn. Mind blown.
Finally a luthier that doesn't market the tonewood
@Caleb LoBue i said luthier not youtube guitarist :)
@Silver play button with no videos challenge! I know the andertons guys do.
This has easily become one of the most interesting channels for me. I’ve always been into the “how does it work” thing, and this channel is all about that
Great chat! I use the pickup placement effect on sound as a “challenge” question for my upper level high school students when they study standing waves. A nice kicker is explaining why bridge pickups are typically higher-output than a neck pickup of the same model - because the first fundamental frequency wave is lower amplitude over the bridge pickup than it is under the neck pickup, so you need a higher output pickup to get the same actual output.
Fun stuff to nerd out over!
Get 1, and slide it over the string length whilst strumming the strings, & hear the difference!
More string vibration (amplitude) over the neck position also probably makes that pickup sound louder (if the pickups are equal).
It never used to be that way. Balanced sets are a (relatively) new thing. Back in the day, Gibson and Fender just made one P90/PAF/Strat pickup, which were somewhat variable, pulled 'em from a bucket and soldered them 'where they landed'. It's quite common to find the higher wound pickup in the neck (or middle) position on pre-80s guitars. Gibson Custom Shop still does it that way, though the 'tolerance' variation is a lot smaller, today.
I've wanted to learn to play guitar since i was about 12. This year i turn 47 and it's going to be the year i finally do it.
Im with you.Ive wanted to learn since a kid and I finally started when I was 33.Since that Ive learnt alot just thru youtube videos such as this video and others.I wish you the best and alot of patience lol👊
How's it going so far, Mark? Keep practicing brother!
I started a year and a half ago at 51. So much fun and makes all the old classics new again.
THIS IS THE KNOWLEDGE WE HAVE ALL BEEN NEEDING. THIS WILL CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY. I've been wondering this for so long and this is the most logical and factual explanation I've ever heard
LOL! String envelopes darling!
This isn’t secrete information
@@Atomic1710 Some can't even spell it!
@@DMSProduktions He's using the Eastern European speeling. 👍
@@BoltRM LOL! Secret, & secrete, are 2 totally different words! The latter often associated with biological grossness!
Makes more sense than most of the "tone wood" arguments.
For sure. Pickup choice and placement makes so much difference. This is proven by putting identical pickups in the bridge and neck and noticing how vastly different they sound.
irondarwin I tried that experiment on my Gibson Explorer. I moved my neck pickup to the bridge without reinserting a pickup in the neck slot. The Rhythm pickup sounded virtually identical to the Treble pickup when slotted into the bridge.
Tonewood is marketing
Tone wood absolutely matters. Even Dylan has spoken about it in other videos. Not disregarding anything he has said in this video, though. Both have a role to play. Pickup placement affects what is captured, tone wood determines what is produced. Go play a plastic guitar if you don't believe me.
@@tushar8998 uh yeah no bro lol. Tone wood on electric guitar has nothing to do with how it transfers energy, Dylan has said this many times, literally the opposite of what you mentioned. Examples cardboard strat sounding just like a strat, air guitar Tele sounding just like the Tom Anderson Tele. Stop with this tone wood nonsense on electric guitars.
I've been playing for over 40 years, and this is the best explanation of harmonics and pup placement I have ever seen.
Awesome explanation of why I need both SG and Les Paul styles of guitar. 🎸
Hasn't been rated yet but this is an underrated comment.
"See, Honey? If I want to be able to make all the sounds, I need all the guitars!"
A few years back I saw a video where a guy was trying to describe how to make harmonics and he couldn't figure out why the neck pickup on a Strat didn't pick up the 5th fret harmonic. I explained in a comment that the neck pickup on Strats and Teles were where the 24th fret would be, exactly halfway between the bridge and the 12th fret, and that the 5th fret was exactly the same position relative to the nut and the 12th fret. Lightbulb moment for him.
With all the tone videos I've ever seen I've never seen this detailed information ,thanks for the information
I’ve been playing and studying guitars for 25 years, and you just blew my mind. Thank you. It all makes sense. I love how real your videos are. Please keep it up!
Great explanation of the differences between the Les Paul and SG guitars. I've always wondered why my LPs and my SG sounded differently.
I'm glad you talked about how fretting a note, or a chord, shortens the effective scale, and therefore shortens all the node and antinode spacings. 🙂
For me the SG is everything I wanted a Les Paul to be. I love my SG
Me too, have two, plus sg bass.
So to simplify:
due to the SG neck pup being closer to the bridge, is it _that much closer_ to the character of the bridge pup versus the LP? 🤔
That’s what I infer from Dylan's explanation, *BUT* factoring in the location of the pup within the _fat part_ of the wave also has an effect. How do the relative locations within the waves compare between SG vs LP?
I'm guessing the neck pups of the LP fall into the fat part of the wave more often than on the SG?
I loved the explanations, but when the above all boils down, how do the tones differ between SG & LP?
Artie VanDelayo I’m not sure how to put into words but Les Pauls usually have a more bassy and almost bigger/thicker sound but the SG is not as bassy and a little brighter, it makes the sound crunchier and punchier. Although the more gain you use the more similar they sound. Playability is also way different
@@SyzygyEmbrace Thanks! I understand what you are describing👍
I think what I want is a lighter(thinner) LP with a thin neck as well.
This was brilliant! I've thought about these sorts of things for decades, but you connected all the dots (nodes?). Great show and channel, Dylan. Been gigging 50+ years and I really enjoy your info and approach.
Thanks Dylan for the basic approach/discussion on the differences.
30,000 subscriber video... Thanks for the videos Dylan! Happy to have found your channels!
I've never realized the information you just explained. It's easy to understand but I never even thought about it. I always assumed pick up placement was pretty much automatic for best tone. Thanks man!
Such an informative video! I've seen tons of videos about why one guitar sounds better than another, but none have ever brought up nodes and anti-nodes. Thank you!
You boiled it down quite nicely!
Great channel, thanks for the effort!
I never thought of checking distance like that on any guitar. I'm going to go nerd out measuring all of mine now. lol
That guitar is going to be awesome! thanks for the opportunity
How awesome it is to get an explanation that's boggled me for too long. My guitar is hurting for some new pots. I didn't know the company that makes the input jack was around in the '70s. It's encased in a metal tube! This is my 5th vid tonight. Thanks Dylan. Please keep it up.
Man, I've been playing guitar for 30 years. And my "main axes" have been Gibson Les Paul and SG for a good chunk of that time. I always thought the difference was like, Mojo or somethin'. But now I have a whole new thing to consider when i'm picking out guitars. For 2 cents, the "simple" explanation is the way to go!
You're a smart man. I've tried to tell people for years it's the position of the pickups. You said all the things i couldn't say. Thank you!!!!!!!!
Bro.. that is the quietest Guitar Center I've ever heard in my whole entire life.. wow
My local guitar center is dead, people shop online a lot more now
The one where I live is always loud as hell unless you show up right as soon as they open. It was pretty much silent where he was!
@@frosty6845 True, but mine around here stay pretty busy. Atleast on the weekends. I still frequent guitar center for accessories, checking in on the used gear and whatnot.
the loudness of my guitar center is entirely based on how bored the guy in the drum room is... almost nobody goes in there and plugs a guitar in
Must have been a mid week day morning!
Nice simple explaination to a very complex issue, I liked the he acknowledged that wood types thickness how big the joint, etc.... have a play I’ve seen other videos of his and found them good
I'm so glad I stumbled upon your videos yesterday and subscribed because this information is something that i needed to know that i didn't know i needed to know. Lol. Makes perfect sense to me! Thanks
Thanks again for pulling back the curtain to how these thing work. I never thought to measure the freakin things!
Information new to me. I knew about nodes, etc., but your explanation makes it easy to comprehend. Thanks.
Sweet giveaway. Thanks for the opportunity and congrats on 30,000.....almost!
Let's split the difference and make a Les G.
I know LOTS of Gs that are Les!
Than they would have a new line. Good idea😺
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What about the double cut 24 fret guitar Gibson made?I wonder how that is with the same 24.75 inch scale length....... Its gotta be a different sound ,but I wonder what those specs are ,the specs as are mentioned about the bridge to the bridge pickup,or in between the pickups,or the neck pick up to the kneck,or the bridge or bridge pickup to the neck lol.Its really opened my mind to alot.
Check out a guitar brand called Robin. Don't think they're around anymore, but they made a really cool thick-bodied and carved-topped SG in the 80s. Basically what Gibson later tried to do with the SG El Diablo but with more emphasis on the Les Paul side of the equation.
As a kid, I always wanted a PRS Custom 24. As an adult, I finally bought one, but quickly realized that I probably should have gotten a Custom 22. Although the body shape is the same between both models, the bridge placement is different to accommodate the two extra frets. This brings the neck pickup closer to the bridge, giving it a "middle pickup" sound. Sure, I could install a darker sounding pickup, but the nodes and anti-nodes are fixed, so I will never get that ideal neck humbucker sound that I hear in my head. If the bridge pickup sound wasn't so awesome, I probably would have sold the guitar already!
Well, that's not technically true and I'm happy Dylan mentioned it (though briefly) in the video. As you fret different notes, the location of the notes and antinodes shift. Nodes are only fixed for a specific note (like an open string has a specific spot for its notes, the 5th fret has a different specific spot for its notes). Now having the pickup closer to the bridge will brighten the tone a bit, that much is true (that's why bridge pickups sound so different than neck pickups) but the idea that they have to be aligned with the harmonics over the (imaginary) 24th fret in order to sound good is a bit dubious. Taken as a whole with regard to the pickup location to all of the locations of all of the notes for all of the notes, there is a difference in timbre, but not because of some magical properties specific to the 24th fret open string 4th order harmonic.
@@Poparad a very good point.
@@Poparad Believe me, I am not one who deals in "absolutes" and guitar-forum "truths" that amount to snake oil. I just love the warmer sound that is achieved when the neck pickup is pushed further away from the bridge. The fact that the Custom 24 neck pickup is an inch closer to the bridge will change the harmonic content that the pickup senses no matter what note is played on the fretboard (in comparison to the Custom 22). Some people might like that brighter tonal shift in a neck pickup... I don't. With a decent amount of gain, there isn't much difference in tone between the neck and bridge pickups, and that saddens me. Above all, I value versatility in an instrument.
@@BigPhi84 I have a Custom 24 too Phil and that neck pickup really is lacking, I kind of like it though but its not like a LP neck pickup by a LONG way. However the middle position is really poor and has a very peculiar character which Im not keen on, to the point where it puts me offf gigging with it.
@@Poparad Reading back my original post, I can see why it might have been confusing. I will try to correct that now. Since the Custom 22 and Custom 24 have the same scale length of 25 inches, the nodes and anti-nodes will be in the same spots on the string of both models regardless of what note is being played, since their locations are a function of division of the scale length. If you fret the 5th-fret "A" on the Low E string, you essentially have a ~19 inch scale length on both models, so the calculated nodes and anti-nodes will be in the same divided spots comparatively as well. What changes between the models is the neck pickup location in relation to these nodes & anti-nodes, and that affects the amplitude of the different harmonic frequencies sensed. When I originally said that the nodes and anti-nodes are fixed, I meant it in relation to the pickup placement, and the brighter timbre associated with the Custom 24's location. Installing a warmer/darker pickup or using an EQ pedal won't get me to my "holy grail" neck pickup tone since the amplitude math of the order of harmonics is much more complicated than "cut 5dB of this frequency". Sorry if my original post was misleading.
Excellent talk on this subject. It's given me an idea on my first cuztom build. Thanks, Dylan.
There are two perennial problems/challenges faced by set-neck guitars joined to the body at the end of their fingerboard (or close to it). One is that space must be left for the neck tenon, resulting in the neck pickup often being moved back a bit, away from the neck and towards the bridge. That changes the harmonic content sensed by the neck pickup, as you note, but then so does fretting anywhere on the neck, since fretting any note necessarily makes the string shorter and stiffer. More critically, it reduces the tonal contrast of the bridge and neck pickups because the portion of string they are sensing becomes a little more similar, the closer those pickups are to each other. You'll never get the kind of contrast of a Telecaster on an SG; although that may be what some folks want.***
But the other major impact of joining a set neck high up is that this will often result in the bridge moving forward from the "hips" of the guitar (i.e., the widest point of the body) to the "waist" of the guitar (i.e., the narrowest point on the body). Changes to the location of the bridge also alters how much mass is under the bridge, which I suspect will alter the tone. More mass under the bridge will generally result in more bottom and lower mids. Look at the bridge location of a Les Paul and SG and you'll see what I mean.
One of the more interesting exceptions to what I described is Rickenbackers. Rickenbacker bodies are designed in an interesting way, and are sort of squished in length, and often have deep cutaways. The result is that, even though the necks are joined to the body way high up, the physical shape of the body still situates the bridge closer to the hips than the waist, if not right *on* the hips. Rick toaster pickups are known for being bright, but even so, Ricks do NOT sound thin. I credit this to the location of the bridge.
All of that said, pick up a Les Paul and an SG and you'll notice the weight difference instantly. Overall body mass likely plays every bit as critical a role as where pickups and bridges are situated. As well, the maple cap ain't there purely to hold burst stain.
***** I have a modded Epi Wilshire that I installed Duncan P-Rails on. It suffers from the same pickups-too-close-together issue that an SG does. Because of that, I oriented the blade part of each P-Rail as far from the other as possible. So the neck pickup has the blade part closest to the neck, and the bridge pickup has it closest to the bridge. The objective was to permit as much tonal contrast between neck and bridge pickups as spacing would permit. With a 3-position toggle for each pickup (blade-HB-P90 mode), a startling range of tones can be obtained even though by all rights it ought not to be feasible. Not *quite* Telecaster, but certainly more in that direction than a stock Wilshire. Folks should try out a P-Rails on an SG, with the blade closest to the fingerboard. I'll bet they'll be able to get some nice rhythm sounds with it.
I have learned much from your posts. Thanks for all you do!
Love that you get down into the weeds with the more technical aspects of guitar and pickup construction. Being an electrical engineer by training (recording engineer/producer by trade) it makes for great information to have in hand.
Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your video. All other things being equal, pickup location has a significant affect on the sound yet it’s rarely discussed.
Thanks for the explanation. Glad I asked the question.
Good discussion. I teach the same thing in my acoustics classes. (I’m looking forward to winning that guitar)
Thank you so much for that. Not so much for the Led Paul/SG aspect, but rather I now have an understanding of an aspect of the physics of the guitar as a tool (some people say I'm a tool) that I didn't even know existed.
Your content, for me, is great. It's nerdy. It's to the point. And best of all you explain it like you're talking to me like the idiot I am.
Again, thanks a lot and please keep it coming.
I have been watching your channel for about a month now and I enjoy and appreciate the information you're providing. Looking forward to see what you have in store for 2020!
Hi Dylan I am Hugo from Argentina.
I write just to say that although I don't manage the american English speaking, I Say thank you because your explanation about SG and LP sound differences was awsome, and very very clear to me.
As a lefty I always feel appart from any give aways, but hope some day there Will be leftie's day.!!!
Greetings from the "far south". Keep it up! Hugo.
Your videos are really cool and I appreciate the “science” you provide to explain a lot of topics that otherwise are a little over my head.
Fantastic explanation! This really gave me a new understanding on what effects tone!
Well I watch this channel and all TH-cam on my iPhone and could not figure out how to comment. So I brought it up on my computer and here it is. LOL to easy. Love the information this channel put out. Great Stuff!!!
You have really lectured me with such simple yet effective explanation... Thank you!
Nice video! By the way, thanks for all your work here! Ive done a lot of mods lately and with a lot of confidence since your videos allowed me to make it fun! Many many thanks all way from Brazil!!!
Thanks again for your videos.
I think you are one of the great teachers. Of building and upgrading guitars. Thank you again...
Ok, so that sounds right. I have a Les Paul and an SG, and I like to play different songs on each of them because they obviously have a difference in tone, but till now, i didn't know why. This goes a way toward explaining that. Good vid.. Keep 'em coming!
Thanks Dylan another great video... Never hurts to learn along the way. If i don't win i might buy one as well...
Thanks for the information. I’ve found the content that you are creating to be unbelievably helpful for someone who really wants to understand his instrument.
Your stuff is amazing. You've changed the way I look at string vibration and relation with humbuckers... Thankful for all that good stuff info
Super informative! Thanks for diving in on this topic!
The amount of information ive gained from watching your vids is amazing! Appreciate it my friend.
YES thank you for making this video. Been wondering for years.
Awesome! Thanks for explaining this! This is the kind of stuff that makes me love your chanel!
Thank you for the valuable guitar build information. I have built several Strats and Teles. i now want to build a SG and to do that as a prequel to a Les Paul. I have been trying to get my courage up to begin. You do excellent, easy to understand, presentations. Thanks for your efforts!
no worries about us not beeing in the U.S. your knoledge is much more appreciable than any giveaways.
Very interesting, I've heard this described before but I feel like I have a much better actual understanding after hearing your description. Thank you!
So glad I found your channel. You're a great resource. I'm an underpaid teacher, I hope I win!!! Thanks for being awesome.
This was massive! Tremendous video, and I truly appreciate the way you got a complex point across. I had to share this with my brother. He's always on the quest for tone, and has both an SG and a Les Paul, so this was enlightening to him too. Thanks as always! USA here. Just saying. :)
I've been enjoying your recent topics a lot. Definitely will be following in 2020.
Excellent explanation of pickup position versus harmonic strength at various positions between the nut and bridge (or between the fretted position and the bridge).
Great info! I always wondered why they sound different! "30,000 subscriber contest" here we come!
Happy New Year Dylan! Well I had pretty much figured it out, you helped me to understand it much better. I have a 25" scale 24 fret Carvin. It took me years to figure out on my own why the neck pickup (especially) didn't get that Slash, Gary Moore etc. neck p/u tone. I started to realize when I tried a Carvin L.P. style with 22 frets with the same pickups as my guitar that it was more to do with the position of the pickups along with other factors. Thanks again for the clarification.
THAT was interesting! Really appreciated that explanation, thank you. Good stuff, been digging it. Happy 2020 everyone.
Great info. Always been curious about this. Love the Ibanez remake you are doing. I want to try the center punch pickups
Hey, Dylan! I've seen most of your videos & loved 'em all, but this one is truly top-notch! So well-presented, accurate & thorough, while still concise & easy to follow! Well done, Sir! Keep 'em coming!
Great information. It seems the quality and characteristics of the pickup, pickup placement, and the skill of the player affects the tone more than whether the (electric) guitar is made of a certain kind of wood. Thanks for the video; as always, more informative, because it is based on the science of sound, not some tightly-held opinion.
Continue to blow my mind. Thanks Dylan!
Thank you so much for this. I was worrying a bit about ordering an Epiphone SG Modern Figured because it has a maple cap, and I was thinking, 'mini Les Paul'? But your video made it clear that this is not the case, so I ordered with confidence. And you were right! After years of playing my Epi Les Paul standard, I immediately noticed the difference! So yes, your video backlog is a treasure trove.
I love this stuff and am trying to spread the word. Just enough science to keep it interesting. Gold for a compulsive guitar tinkerer like me. Rock on.
i think that was the quietest 'big box' store visit ever! every time i'm in one of those things i feel like i'm at the casinos it's so loud
Howdy Dylan. These videos are so useful and great! Keep 'em coming!!! I like the outdoor video taping, btw.
Surprising observation. You are one bright cookie! Thank you for kicking on that light bulb in my head.
Just discovered your channel. Great stuff! Thanks!
This is sweet! I didn’t know these details behind scale length and pickup placement. I knew it made a difference, but had no idea how. Thanks!
I really enjoy the information on your channel. I have not found anything like it on the internet. Your explanations are clear and simple and your down to earth attitude is great! Keep up the good work!
hey Dylan I've already been subscribing for you and I have the notification button also check for quite a while. Looking forward to the reveal of the contests and really looking forward to you getting as many subs does he deserve which is locked. And again thanks for your videos I really get a lot of information from them I suffer from mr. Magoo syndrome is severely legally blind and the appreciate all your videos I can't see most of it but I listened to it and I still gained a plethora of information and knowledge from you keep them coming bro
I learned a lot with this video. Thanks for sharing.
Fascinating! I always wondered, but never considered what factors contributed to the tonal differences. Thanks for explaining in a way, that even I can understand!
Great explanation of how tone is different from one to another guitar. I find your videos quite informative.
Excellent! Thank you Dylan.
I've only recently discovered your channel and I'm loving it! Lots of information to be found here. Good luck on your journey to 30,000 subscribers and beyond and I'm looking forward to seeing who is the winner for the contest!
thanks for the knowledge i knew that pickup placement did influence the sound the guitar makes
Thanks for the info. That does clear up some mysteries about guitar sound.
A very succinct explanation that greatly simplifies the overarching physics concepts for easy comprehension. Well done. I’m enjoying the way the “30,000 subscriber guitar giveaway” instrument is coming together. Keep up the good work!
Great info, especially for beginners to help understand why different guitars sound so different but visually don't appear that different.
Thank You!!!! OMG actual factual information that totally makes sense. With all the web based huffing and puffing about tone woods, body thickness, obscure nos capacitors and everything else it's nice to see something that is basically indisputable. No one ever mentions this (or rarely) and yet it seems so obvious once you laid it out. Thanks again.
Getting back into guitar after many years. The thoughts and conversations have been very interesting. I enjoy the content and insight.
Good video. You made that easy enough for anyone to understand.
Thanks for showing and explaining the dynamics of tone and harmonics of an electric guitar.
Wow
I never considered the spacing of the pickups
I always figured the main difference was the pickup type . Found this channel a couple months ago. Very insightful- stuff you dont get on other channels where they basically review guitars and pedals. Thanks
Very interesting. I didn't think about pickup placement but with your explanation it all makes sense thank you