This is my favorite piece to play in high school!! We took this to festival and got a perfect score with it, even with the original tempo. Very proud moment for a bunch of high schoolers
This was a piece of music used in a fantastic documentary about building and flying the Avro Lancaster (in the late 1980s), then I found it in the last cassette in my late father’s tape player - didn’t know what it was, So: thank you… (And, yes: tempo deTearArse😉)
We have to play this, and we’ve only played in orchestra for a semester, but wutever, we’ll be playing this in a few months, so I’ll be better by then.
Arrangements and performances like this do no favours either to Irish traditional music or the performers. Sure, to 'classically trained' ears this may sound good, but to those attuned to Irish traditional music they sound nothing like authentic Irish fiddlers. They are undoubtedly fine classical players, but nothing in their bowing, tone, ornamentation, articulation, pitching or rhythm comes from Irish fiddle playing! This kind of 'classical' approach to Irish traditional music is about as inauthentic as it gets. Irish fiddle music can't be sight-read from sheet music, it takes years of mostly aural learning to master. Unfortunately countless classical musicians don't realise this and end up making a mockery of Irish music by sight-reading arrangements like this! Please, classically trained folks, don't sight-read Irish melodies. If you like Irish music, take time to learn it by ear from master traditional musicians. p.s. Grainger didn't 'compose' this tune, it's an arrangement of an old Irish reel.
It’s not that deep. If you want “authentic” performances then look up Irish musicians playing this piece. They’re playing the arrangement by Grainger, an Australian-born American citizen, who wrote pieces inspired by other nationalities. This performance is wonderful and I guarantee you they did not “sight-read” this piece. I’m sorry if you feel this is a mockery but I assure you that’s not the intention of the composer or the performers. If anything, this will inspire those unfamiliar with the reels to look up their source of origin. That was the case with me whenever I first heard this piece many years ago. You’re allowed to not like this recording but to gate-keep music is a lost cause in my opinion. They’re not claiming to be Irish traditionalists or advertising an “authentic” experience so I’m not exactly sure where your grievances lie. Cheers.
@@FJAR1635 It's not about gate-keeping at all. There are many different ways of playing traditional Irish melodies and many interesting approaches which involve classical musicians. The point I made is that this old hackneyed kind of approach, of just playing the bare melodies from the dots without any reference to how such melodies are authentically played, is a horrendous simplification that does not in any way resemble traditional Irish music. It is akin to playing Baroque music exactly as it is written on the page, which no good Baroque musician will do. The piece is claimed to be an arrangement of a traditional Irish tune, but it is not, it is an arrangement of the most basic skeleton notation of an Irish tune possible. The musicians in the video may be playing the arrangement very well according to the dots in front of them, they can only play what's given to them, but the actual sound produced in playing this arrangement is like a very poor parody of Irish trad music. This is a problem with so many classical arrangements of folk tunes. When you strip folk melodies down to the barest bones like this you strip them of their soul, their very essence. The elements that cannot be properly notated like rhythmic swing, ornamentation, micro-tonal inflections and spontaneous melodic variation are the things that give the music life and soul. Anyone who thinks this kind of arrangement in any way represents 'folk music' or 'trad music' is deluding themselves.
@@DaveFlynnComposer And yet these arrangements have exposed many people across the world to Irish music where otherwise it wouldn’t had been the case. Go figure. Pick your battles man.
@@DaveFlynnComposer I get your point. I just fundamentally disagree with it. If I wanted “authentic” traditional Irish performances I would look up a group that is of that nationally and experience. I’m not going to judge other ensembles that aren’t of said nationality and expect them to play it of the same level. Especially when they aren’t advertising themselves as such. This is how culture is shared and experienced by a global audience. Not everyone has connections to Ireland but thanks to composers like Grainger, they can get one step closer and have a gateway into the rest of the culture if they choose to do so. This specific piece is inspired by Irish reels and written within that context. It is in no way claiming to be *the* original Irish reels themselves. You see this performance as a mockery and that is your prerogative. I disagree with this notion and think you should re-evaluate how you view cultural exchange. You’re allowed to disagree with me but don’t say I’m missing your point. I understood it just fine. What you’re advocating is a form of gate-keeping: “If ‘x’ isn’t done in a specific manner then it shouldn’t be done at all”. You and I would not even be having this conversation if this piece and performance never existed. What you called a mockery I call inspired. Which is why I say pick your battles, dude.
That cellist is absolutely singing through that cello, shes incredible,.
This is my favorite piece to play in high school!! We took this to festival and got a perfect score with it, even with the original tempo. Very proud moment for a bunch of high schoolers
These performers are the people in the TH-cam comments that always say "it sounds cooler at 1.25 speed."
And they're goddamn right.
i definitely cannot play it that fast yet
As my former trombone instructor would have said (and I agree), that performance is marked "tempo di tearass".
Daniel De Kok Best comment
Sounds like something a trombonist would say ;)
Absolutely amazing!!! The passionate playing and playing it this fast! Amazing!
wow that cellist really sounds like bassoon already at the beginning. amazing articulations. really nice! :)
This was a piece of music used in a fantastic documentary about building and flying the Avro Lancaster (in the late 1980s), then I found it in the last cassette in my late father’s tape player - didn’t know what it was, So: thank you…
(And, yes: tempo deTearArse😉)
This is the tempo Grainger himself played.
I'm a third violin(+viola because we only have one viola)and I cannot survive this speed
Learning this right now! And it's my favorite thing I've ever played
Amazing
We have to play this, and we’ve only played in orchestra for a semester, but wutever, we’ll be playing this in a few months, so I’ll be better by then.
Nothing makes me miss my violin more than molly on the shore
same but viola
Who the hell disliked this video they played so well
The speed we're playing in my class is nowhere close to this speed
Prestissimo indeed but it manages a hugely folky feel!
Tim Fatchen But isn't it supposed to have that folky feel if it's based on the Irish reel?
One word.... HOW (I hope to God some people from my orchestra class don't find my comment)
We're supposed to play this at MPA in two weeks and were like 30 clicks under tempo..
Imo it sounds better below the marked tempo
I have to play at this speed in 8th grade advanced. Why. Why.
速いなしかし
anyone else hear that g at the last few seconds
Who are the performers? cellist, violist specifically?
Cellist - Louisa Tuck; Violist - Mike Gerrard; Violinists - Bradley Creswick and Kyra Humphreys.
so fast
good speed
I am violin1
And then listen to the Virtuoso Quartet :P
This arrangement omits the descending chromatic runs. Otherwise, excellent performance.
This is the original, not an arrangement. The subsequent band arrangement added the chromatic runs.
Fast tempi are fun and this piece is supposed to be fast, but I feel they quite overdid it. At times it sounds blurry and sloppy because of it.
I'd say it's fast for ensemble, but not for the solo piano virtuoso. th-cam.com/video/ZMhIFfh93I8/w-d-xo.html
Playback at 2x speed
Ah! These fiddlers have obviously sat in on a session or two at O'Connors!
This doesnt sound right. Sorry strings but winds just sound better in this piece.
Arrangements and performances like this do no favours either to Irish traditional music or the performers. Sure, to 'classically trained' ears this may sound good, but to those attuned to Irish traditional music they sound nothing like authentic Irish fiddlers. They are undoubtedly fine classical players, but nothing in their bowing, tone, ornamentation, articulation, pitching or rhythm comes from Irish fiddle playing! This kind of 'classical' approach to Irish traditional music is about as inauthentic as it gets. Irish fiddle music can't be sight-read from sheet music, it takes years of mostly aural learning to master. Unfortunately countless classical musicians don't realise this and end up making a mockery of Irish music by sight-reading arrangements like this! Please, classically trained folks, don't sight-read Irish melodies. If you like Irish music, take time to learn it by ear from master traditional musicians. p.s. Grainger didn't 'compose' this tune, it's an arrangement of an old Irish reel.
It’s not that deep. If you want “authentic” performances then look up Irish musicians playing this piece. They’re playing the arrangement by Grainger, an Australian-born American citizen, who wrote pieces inspired by other nationalities. This performance is wonderful and I guarantee you they did not “sight-read” this piece. I’m sorry if you feel this is a mockery but I assure you that’s not the intention of the composer or the performers. If anything, this will inspire those unfamiliar with the reels to look up their source of origin. That was the case with me whenever I first heard this piece many years ago.
You’re allowed to not like this recording but to gate-keep music is a lost cause in my opinion. They’re not claiming to be Irish traditionalists or advertising an “authentic” experience so I’m not exactly sure where your grievances lie. Cheers.
@@FJAR1635 It's not about gate-keeping at all. There are many different ways of playing traditional Irish melodies and many interesting approaches which involve classical musicians. The point I made is that this old hackneyed kind of approach, of just playing the bare melodies from the dots without any reference to how such melodies are authentically played, is a horrendous simplification that does not in any way resemble traditional Irish music. It is akin to playing Baroque music exactly as it is written on the page, which no good Baroque musician will do. The piece is claimed to be an arrangement of a traditional Irish tune, but it is not, it is an arrangement of the most basic skeleton notation of an Irish tune possible. The musicians in the video may be playing the arrangement very well according to the dots in front of them, they can only play what's given to them, but the actual sound produced in playing this arrangement is like a very poor parody of Irish trad music. This is a problem with so many classical arrangements of folk tunes. When you strip folk melodies down to the barest bones like this you strip them of their soul, their very essence. The elements that cannot be properly notated like rhythmic swing, ornamentation, micro-tonal inflections and spontaneous melodic variation are the things that give the music life and soul. Anyone who thinks this kind of arrangement in any way represents 'folk music' or 'trad music' is deluding themselves.
@@DaveFlynnComposer And yet these arrangements have exposed many people across the world to Irish music where otherwise it wouldn’t had been the case. Go figure. Pick your battles man.
@@FJAR1635 You're entirely missing my point.....
@@DaveFlynnComposer I get your point. I just fundamentally disagree with it. If I wanted “authentic” traditional Irish performances I would look up a group that is of that nationally and experience. I’m not going to judge other ensembles that aren’t of said nationality and expect them to play it of the same level. Especially when they aren’t advertising themselves as such. This is how culture is shared and experienced by a global audience. Not everyone has connections to Ireland but thanks to composers like Grainger, they can get one step closer and have a gateway into the rest of the culture if they choose to do so. This specific piece is inspired by Irish reels and written within that context. It is in no way claiming to be *the* original Irish reels themselves. You see this performance as a mockery and that is your prerogative. I disagree with this notion and think you should re-evaluate how you view cultural exchange. You’re allowed to disagree with me but don’t say I’m missing your point. I understood it just fine. What you’re advocating is a form of gate-keeping: “If ‘x’ isn’t done in a specific manner then it shouldn’t be done at all”. You and I would not even be having this conversation if this piece and performance never existed. What you called a mockery I call inspired. Which is why I say pick your battles, dude.