Keith!!!! just a suggestion.. if the machinist community wanted to get together and make the various missing parts for the second saw.. community restoration?? and you keep it?!? thank you for what you do!!! love and respect!
Thanks for sending us to the channel, Jimmy. It’s going to be great watching the rest of this progress. Also.... next year’s Timber-in idea: timber frame to cover this bandsaw if you set it up outside on a new pad outside the black barn like you’ve been talking about.
No idea why the TH-cam Algorithm recommended this to me but I’m glad at did. You’re obviously incredibly knowledgable of your work and field and it’s so awesome that you actually go into the history behind the tool you’re restoring. Great job!
Keith, I sure hope that in your restoration efforts you take numerous pictures of all your steps. I think a book that was heavy on color detailed pictures would be a best seller among those of us who follow your efforts. Wow just wow.
I would hate to be a fugitive and have "Detective Rucker" on my tail! Great history lesson on the company and the saws Keith. Truly appreciate the effort!
This is a very interesting restoration. I really have an appreciation for the old machines. The work that you are doing is great for posterity sake. Subscribed. 👍
Once you get the parts all prepped and cleaned you may want to 3D scan all the parts that are missing from the resaw bandsaw providing they fit of course. Even if they don’t they certainly should provide guidance in recreating the missing parts. I’m sure Windy Hill is just itching to fire up his equipment to recreate some more history.
On the 2nd bandsaw on either side of the cast name it has holes which were most likely used to hold a name plac. That is why the original name wasn't ground away completely.
Keith, shinning different color light on and across the decal may reveal a shadow of the letters. Shinning the light at different angles, with a colored filter and changing the relationship between your eye, the decal and the light. Don't forget to include black light if available. Best of luck if you give it a try.
I was just introduced to your video and enjoyed it very much. Glad this is being restored and was wondering if it could be fitted with some type of roller bearing. Who knows what the next two or three generations will be capable of doing and this saw needs to keep working long after we are gone. Love watching these videos.
where the company name was ground off it looked like there were two screw holes and a ghost outline of a plate that had been removed, possibly the new combined name was on a plate that was added onto the older casting?
It's called rough cut lumber and you could cut it to dimensional lumber whatever dimension you would like.. just a FYI.. but absolutely beautiful machine and great find
Enjoyed the history. I have found it very common pre 1900 for it to typically be listed Cin. O. Some of the finest foundry people to ever live had to have been in Cincinnati from the early 1800's thru the 1950's.
Hi Keith, if you want wooden wheels made for the second bandsaw get in touch with Dave from Engels Coach Shop in Montana and he will deffo be able to sort you out with those, he makes them from scratch and what ever diameter you want.
Sounds like “synergy” was as much fun to achieve in the 1890s as it is today. Loved the way they (probably) updated existing inventory post merger. Looking forward to this series.
Keith, take the upper bearing block from that one and cast a copy or 3D scan it so another one can be made for the other saw should you get a wild hair to restore the other one.
with a bit of TLC, these machines have no end, they are heavy, very well done and always rebuildable. It is an invaluable asset in any woodworking shop that process heavy wood sections as they can be used as a sawmill to shape heavy wood pieces as these used in traditional marine construction.
I would love to have that resaw frame. With minimal and reversible modifications, it would make one stout English wheeling machine. Thanks for your time and vid Keith. Regards, Duck
Mr. Keith R. Back in the day didn't they had too include a drawing with the patent # and the patent office for the United States might still have it on file or in archives some place look for it. Love your channel look forward to it every week keeping the past alive.
Interesting company history. it's like a parent company with 2 divisions. Pontiac and Chevy also were fierce competitors in the muscle car game, both divisions of GM of course. some people don't know the GTO and other hot Pontiacs were designed by John DeLorean.
You actually see two holes on either side on the casted logo. It might have been grinded off and a plate had been screwed on om top of the casted logo.
Instead of sand blasting I'd recommend medium or fine walnut agra blasting material. I'd discuss that with your local shop as it seems much preferred over sand.
What gets me is that the core frame (if that's the right term) is just the absolute perfect curve shape. It could have been built as some big hulking square ugly thing but i sense the designers off the day were already totally aware of the 'easy on the eye' golden ratio dimensions and have likely applied them here.
Hi Keith - there are 12-step programs for folks who can't resist having antique cast iron follow them home. Seriously, though, you are a wonderful inspiration to me when I feel the need to rescue something from the landfill {surreptitiously, of course}. We ask fellow citizens to recycle, then put barbed wire fences around our garbage dumps. Clear thinking - NOT !
those two companys merging is what happened to the McNeil and National Rubber Machinery Companies in the 80s in Akron and are now called the McNeil NRM Co.
green sticker would match that original color too. I would also suggest to have the sand blaster stay 2 inches away from machined or babbitt areas finish those after...cover and tape off with plastic or tarps have them do the heavy work and you come in after on the fine areas.
Hello Keith, regarding the subject of the machine's serial number and date, if you haven't found that information yet, I would suggest putting J.A Fay & Egan on the title of the video and on the description below, it will improve your chances for someone that has that info coming across your video.
That resawing mechanism looks brilliant! Why do we not have this today? You constantly see woodworkers arguing between a tall rip fence and a bearing point fence. Re-sawing usually means tons of waste. This mechanism looks like it would be easier, safer, and more efficient than what's on the market today. Has anyone used one of these mechanisms? Does it not work as well as it looks like it would?
Keith, I have commented last video on the planer, but you mentioned not being able to read all the comments. I think I have the oil cups that were original to your planer. I have a pair of heavy wall brass boxes with removable flip up lid. They are designed to fill up 2/3 of the way before draining out of the 3 outlets. I presume this was to filter chips. Pretty sure they go to a planer of the same vintage if not the exact same one. Happy to pass them along if that's where they belong.
2 things I’ve noticed: 1: a lot of people are suggesting you get wheels built by Dave Engels 2: none of those people notice that dozens of other people have already suggested the same thing.
While as you say, the other machine needs more restoration, for some of the missing parts , such as the bearing caps, you could use the caps from this machine as models for new castings. To accomplish this the easiest way is by using a laser scanner on the existing pieces for transfer into the software that you have used to create your 3D models.
@@carlthor91 since I do not hav such an I Phone nor do I have the 3D printer protocol software that he uses I cannot comment as to the compatibility. If it is compatible, great, an mist definitely less expensive. The only ones I have seen are used by archeologists for 3D replication of skeletal situations such as skulls used for feature modeling.
Engles Coach Shop (TH-cam channel) may be able to help with wooden wheels. He rebuilt authentic replicas for a museum of the 20 mule team borax wagons & the water wagon.
Looks like there is a fully working resaw bandsaw on your vintage machinery site. You should be able to work with that person to get all the details you need to remake the missing parts.
Keith!!!! just a suggestion.. if the machinist community wanted to get together and make the various missing parts for the second saw.. community restoration?? and you keep it?!? thank you for what you do!!! love and respect!
Now THAT is a great idea!
Great idea!
Thanks for sending us to the channel, Jimmy. It’s going to be great watching the rest of this progress. Also.... next year’s Timber-in idea: timber frame to cover this bandsaw if you set it up outside on a new pad outside the black barn like you’ve been talking about.
talk to brian he has the heavy iron to make what you need would bee a wonderful collaboration
Engles Coach shop in MT. Dave is the only guy I would trust making the wheels. Master of his craft.
Keith, have a look at Dave over at Engels Coach Works. He does do a really nice wooden wheel when he restores carriages
😂 Snap.. came to comments to say the same!
I agree completely. Would be very cool to see Dave and Keith do a collaboration video.
I was thinking the same thing. It would be a little change of pace for Dave, he probably never made a bandsaw wheel before.
I was thinking the same thing.a collaboration with Engels Coach Works.
A lot of us have the same thoughts.
Mr Keith you are a good Man. Thank you for your work.
No idea why the TH-cam Algorithm recommended this to me but I’m glad at did. You’re obviously incredibly knowledgable of your work and field and it’s so awesome that you actually go into the history behind the tool you’re restoring. Great job!
FWIW, I enjoyed hearing both the factual and speculative history of these saws. Thank you foe including both.
Just the casting alone is amazing
I swear I will start a petition to get that resaw bandsaw fully restored if they don't do it. Keith! Jimmy! Do it. Do it. Do it!
Keith, no need for apologies, you're the hardest working man in vintage machinery & peanut bizness.
Thanks for the inspiration and keep on trucking!
Umm, Keith isn't in the peanut :biz
these kind of things are right up there with old steam locomotives and the industrial revolution in my opinion..i loved it.
Even better than the first video. Jimmy is very lucky to have your knowledge and skills applied to this saw.
Absolutely love your passion for vintage machinery! It has been fun watching and learning from your channel!
Great shot of the second bandsaw. Lighting was superb.
great video Mr. Rucker, look forward to your weekly updates
Keith, I sure hope that in your restoration efforts you take numerous pictures of all your steps. I think a book that was heavy on color detailed pictures would be a best seller among those of us who follow your efforts. Wow just wow.
Keith, you do amazing work and take on projects that would make most of us cower in fear! 😃
I would hate to be a fugitive and have "Detective Rucker" on my tail! Great history lesson on the company and the saws Keith. Truly appreciate the effort!
Looks like the name was ground down and a plate was placed over it. You can see the rivet holes on both sides of the logo.
Thanks for sharing!
This is a very interesting restoration. I really have an appreciation for the old machines. The work that you are doing is great for posterity sake. Subscribed. 👍
Enjoyed the history. Hopefully the resaw can get done as well!
At 7:55 That shield is really neat. Even better than the the Falstaff/Lemp shield.
Wow, beautiful. I'd love to see the planer, perhaps one day. This one is going to be just as fascinating. Thanks for the content.
Once you get the parts all prepped and cleaned you may want to 3D scan all the parts that are missing from the resaw bandsaw providing they fit of course.
Even if they don’t they certainly should provide guidance in recreating the missing parts.
I’m sure Windy Hill is just itching to fire up his equipment to recreate some more history.
Thank You !
I enjoy the historical research as much as the actual restoration work. Thanks Keith!
Great information!😁👍
Thanks Mr. Rucker. Good video.
Great video Keith, keep'um coming...
I really enjoy this history stuff. Thanks for doing the research.
The story and the shine are already coming through!
It appears to have 2 rivet holes where a name plate was affixed over the ground off j.a. Eagan area
On the 2nd bandsaw on either side of the cast name it has holes which were most likely used to hold a name plac. That is why the original name wasn't ground away completely.
Keith, shinning different color light on and across the decal may reveal a shadow of the letters. Shinning the light at different angles, with a colored filter and changing the relationship between your eye, the decal and the light. Don't forget to include black light if available. Best of luck if you give it a try.
I was just introduced to your video and enjoyed it very much. Glad this is being restored and was wondering if it could be fitted with some type of roller bearing. Who knows what the next two or three generations will be capable of doing and this saw needs to keep working long after we are gone.
Love watching these videos.
Great episode, thanks.
Perhaps a JA Faye and Egan tag was placed over the ground letters by the two holes flanking the original cast letters?
That second saw frame would make a great drill press.
where the company name was ground off it looked like there were two screw holes and a ghost outline of a plate that had been removed, possibly the new combined name was on a plate that was added onto the older casting?
Exactly what I was going to say, definitely looks like an updated nameplate was attached over the ground off lettering.
Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed.
Like the history thanks
It's called rough cut lumber and you could cut it to dimensional lumber whatever dimension you would like.. just a FYI.. but absolutely beautiful machine and great find
I enjoyed the bit of history on both saws hope to see both saws restored.
Going to be an interesting project Keith...
Looks like Engels Coach Shop would be the perfect partner to make those wheels. Apologies if this has already been suggested.
Great history ! Thank you
You, Jimmy and April will go to heaven for sure.
Enjoyed the history. I have found it very common pre 1900 for it to typically be listed Cin. O. Some of the finest foundry people to ever live had to have been in Cincinnati from the early 1800's thru the 1950's.
That Babbit-bearing removal was intense to watch! Definitely a lost art!
Hi Keith, if you want wooden wheels made for the second bandsaw get in touch with Dave from Engels Coach Shop in Montana and he will deffo be able to sort you out with those, he makes them from scratch and what ever diameter you want.
Sounds like “synergy” was as much fun to achieve in the 1890s as it is today. Loved the way they (probably) updated existing inventory post merger. Looking forward to this series.
that second saw would make great picnic bench at the museum :)
Keith, take the upper bearing block from that one and cast a copy or 3D scan it so another one can be made for the other saw should you get a wild hair to restore the other one.
Bryan Fuller at Fuller Moto in Tucker has a portable 3D scanner.
with a bit of TLC, these machines have no end, they are heavy, very well done and always rebuildable. It is an invaluable asset in any woodworking shop that process heavy wood sections as they can be used as a sawmill to shape heavy wood pieces as these used in traditional marine construction.
Exactly! Also old wooden and covered bridges, timber frame construction, etc. Very little that those bad boys can't cut!
There are currently two antique Towsley 36" Band saw wheels for sale on Ebay. Best wishes.
I would love to have that resaw frame. With minimal and reversible modifications, it would make one stout English wheeling machine. Thanks for your time and vid Keith.
Regards,
Duck
Please keep the second bandsaw and restore it. It is such a great peace of engineering.
Mr. Keith R.
Back in the day didn't they had too include a drawing with the patent # and the patent office for the United States might still have it on file or in archives some place look for it.
Love your channel look forward to it every week keeping the past alive.
Interesting company history. it's like a parent company with 2 divisions. Pontiac and Chevy also were fierce competitors in the muscle car game, both divisions of GM of course. some people don't know the GTO and other hot Pontiacs were designed by John DeLorean.
Sampson Boat Co. used a saw like the 2nd one when they first started restoring Tally Ho.
The lightning line decal that I found is pretty rough, but maybe you can work with what you have…. Good luck Kieth
You actually see two holes on either side on the casted logo. It might have been grinded off and a plate had been screwed on om top of the casted logo.
The second bandsaw would make one heck of an arbor press.
Check with Dave Ingels Coach Shop in Joliet, MT, for help with the wooden wheels.
Dave at Engle Coach in Montana might be able to make the wheels. For sure he can steam bend the wood
Instead of sand blasting I'd recommend medium or fine walnut agra blasting material. I'd discuss that with your local shop as it seems much preferred over sand.
Get Engel's Coach Works to make you a couple of wheels.
Yep. I was thinking of them.
What gets me is that the core frame (if that's the right term) is just the absolute perfect curve shape. It could have been built as some big hulking square ugly thing but i sense the designers off the day were already totally aware of the 'easy on the eye' golden ratio dimensions and have likely applied them here.
love the history
Very interesting, thanks.
love it keep up the good work
Hi Keith - there are 12-step programs for folks who can't resist having antique cast iron follow them home. Seriously, though, you are a wonderful inspiration to me when I feel the need to rescue something from the landfill {surreptitiously, of course}. We ask fellow citizens to recycle, then put barbed wire fences around our garbage dumps. Clear thinking - NOT !
those two companys merging is what happened to the McNeil and National Rubber Machinery Companies in the 80s in Akron and are now called the McNeil NRM Co.
green sticker would match that original color too. I would also suggest to have the sand blaster stay 2 inches away from machined or babbitt areas finish those after...cover and tape off with plastic or tarps have them do the heavy work and you come in after on the fine areas.
Hello Keith, regarding the subject of the machine's serial number and date, if you haven't found that information yet, I would suggest putting J.A Fay & Egan on the title of the video and on the description below, it will improve your chances for someone that has that info coming across your video.
That resawing mechanism looks brilliant! Why do we not have this today? You constantly see woodworkers arguing between a tall rip fence and a bearing point fence. Re-sawing usually means tons of waste. This mechanism looks like it would be easier, safer, and more efficient than what's on the market today. Has anyone used one of these mechanisms? Does it not work as well as it looks like it would?
You maybe able to look up patent and see the dimensions of the resaw.
You could look up the Trade mark Registration, it may have the Decal displayed.
I'd like to see Jimmy partner with Engles Coach Shop to make wheels for the old band saw. That would be an awesome episode.
Keith, I have commented last video on the planer, but you mentioned not being able to read all the comments. I think I have the oil cups that were original to your planer. I have a pair of heavy wall brass boxes with removable flip up lid. They are designed to fill up 2/3 of the way before draining out of the 3 outlets. I presume this was to filter chips. Pretty sure they go to a planer of the same vintage if not the exact same one. Happy to pass them along if that's where they belong.
You should contact him on Instagram, he answers more often there. He sells and buys tools through Instagram as well.
2 things I’ve noticed:
1: a lot of people are suggesting you get wheels built by Dave Engels
2: none of those people notice that dozens of other people have already suggested the same thing.
Definitely keep it original. Good call.
Mr. Keith I have a 54 inch band resaw that was made by the Frank Clement company. It is similar to the resaw you have
While as you say, the other machine needs more restoration, for some of the missing parts , such as the bearing caps, you could use the caps from this machine as models for new castings. To accomplish this the easiest way is by using a laser scanner on the existing pieces for transfer into the software that you have used to create your 3D models.
If he is an Apple iPhone type the latest one is able to scan items, go figure.
@@carlthor91 more power if it can integrate with his 3D software.
@@walterulasinksi7031 It will support the protocol, or it's totally useless.
@@carlthor91 since I do not hav such an I Phone nor do I have the 3D printer protocol software that he uses I cannot comment as to the compatibility. If it is compatible, great, an mist definitely less expensive. The only ones I have seen are used by archeologists for 3D replication of skeletal situations such as skulls used for feature modeling.
Did the same foundry make castings for both company
you should get in touch with engels coach shop and make the wheels
Do the patents still exist? If so they may include detailed drawings of the "resawing" machines' missing parts
The huge molds they made back in those days. Hercules couldn't lift that thing!
Thank you👍👍👍👍
May I suggest Engels Coach Shop for the wheels?
I enjoyed hearing the history. Keep it up Keith.😀⚒🔩🔧
does the top half of the of shaft housing fit the other resaw ?
God Bless You Keith, you couldn't buy the education we get for free from you.
Engles Coach Shop (TH-cam channel) may be able to help with wooden wheels. He rebuilt authentic replicas for a museum of the 20 mule team borax wagons & the water wagon.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the mammoth proportions of that saw.
I love these videos and look forward to the future where I have a real garage to do fun stuff in as well. :)
Looks like there is a fully working resaw bandsaw on your vintage machinery site. You should be able to work with that person to get all the details you need to remake the missing parts.
what is the weight of the frame?
That would make a heck of a English wheel with just a little modifications
Hiya Keith
Is it possible that they started calling it the lightning line after they modernized and went to electrical motors to power their saws
I was thinking maybe you pickup that VTL from the first video