Thanks for the question. If you are shooting the dice, you have to place on the Pass Line or Don't Pass line. In this demonstration, I am rolling the dice for a "random" shooter and I am just betting their rolls. I hope that makes sense.
Hey Mike thanks for the shout-out brother! Enjoyed watching! After you ladder up the 6&8 past level 3 it's hard for them to win their money back! So you would need to ladder up 2 units on a loss and down 1 unit on a win! That is after the 3 rd level
You cannot just add 1 unit to the 6/8. You will never recover your loses. You need to increase each loss by double. The 4/10 will lose 1.66:1 times as compared to the 6/8. A simple math equation is 6/8 hits 10/36 and the 4/10 hits 6/36. 6/8 wins $14 ten times which equals $140. The 4/10 wins $18 six times which equals $108. This is a huge mathematical difference long term. The casino makes huge profits because of these seemingly small differences. $32 extra profit every 36 rolls will add up quickly.
The 4 10 ladder doesnt lose very often in my experience, with a proper bankroll. The 6 and 8 though, needs to be laddered up to much on a loss. Ive never seen anyone do it, but ive been doing the math on paper and the 5 9 ladder seems pretty solid. I havent had a chance to try it on my table yet though.
@@OnPointCraps i dont know. It would for sure have to be a buy bet (3/2) to have a chance, but in theory it should be a happy medium between the 4/10 and the 6/8. My tables in my shop and its been a rough winter here, but when the weather clears Im gonna mess around with it and see what happens.
Hi Mike, nice comparison video. More people should do this. A few comments on rhe 6/8 if you are going to do a ladder method. Unlike the 4 and 10 to be able to recover losses on the 6 and 8 you have to go up and down on them separately. For example if they both loss you go up a unit on both of course. However, if the eight wins at the $24 level and six is also at $24 you only reduce the eight. If the six loses you go up to $30. That way you give the individual number a chance ro recover. Should make for better recovery. Especially since individually the 6&8 have a ratio close to the 4/10 when compared to the seven. 5 to 6 for each of the six and eight individually. As compared to the 6 to 6 for the 4/10 when comparing combinations against the seven. Always keep an eye on your bankroll of course that way once you're in profit again, you can bring down both the six and eight to base bet no matter where they are at in the progression. Thanks
Love this comparison roll out. A longer video would be even better or maybe do it as part 1 and part 2. Otherwise it’s too short a time period to prove anything…
Thanks Jen. This is the challenge of providing content. Too short and it doesn’t really show enough. Too long and nobody watches. Finding the perfect balance is nearly impossible. I can do a longer follow up video. Would you want to see strategy rollouts as a series of like 3 videos?
@@OnPointCraps yes to the 3 part series. That’ll satisfy people who want to see it as a long roll. And also people who have sad attention spans, can just watch one at a time.
@@thejusticejen sounds good Jen. Thanks for the advice. I will look to that in the new year. I want to restructure my channel based on the Craps for the Cure talk with Jeremy anyway. I appreciate your support.
I agree. As always, the dice will tell the story. If 6/8 are rolling consistently, then obviously they will win you more. I see the payout of the 4/10 overcoming in the end though.
I really like the 4/10 especially when Waylon adds the DP and calls it the world's greatest strategy. That way its a push on 7 out. The only hole is that you're very vulnerable on the CO7 (unless you lay the 4 or 10 on the CO before the buy). But that could bite too if the 4 or 10 rolls.
@@OnPointCraps the buy is less vig on the 45910, place is less vig on 68 is my understanding, and the 68 place vig is cheaper than the buy vig on the other box numbers.
Don't you have to put money on the pass line before shooting the dice???
Thanks for the question. If you are shooting the dice, you have to place on the Pass Line or Don't Pass line. In this demonstration, I am rolling the dice for a "random" shooter and I am just betting their rolls. I hope that makes sense.
Hey Mike thanks for the shout-out brother! Enjoyed watching! After you ladder up the 6&8 past level 3 it's hard for them to win their money back! So you would need to ladder up 2 units on a loss and down 1 unit on a win! That is after the 3 rd level
Thanks Waylon. I appreciate the advice.
You cannot just add 1 unit to the 6/8. You will never recover your loses. You need to increase each loss by double. The 4/10 will lose 1.66:1 times as compared to the 6/8. A simple math equation is 6/8 hits 10/36 and the 4/10 hits 6/36. 6/8 wins $14 ten times which equals $140. The 4/10 wins $18 six times which equals $108. This is a huge mathematical difference long term. The casino makes huge profits because of these seemingly small differences. $32 extra profit every 36 rolls will add up quickly.
I agree. This was just a test of concept. The 4/10 ladder works if you have the bankroll to cover a string of 7s.
The 4 10 ladder doesnt lose very often in my experience, with a proper bankroll. The 6 and 8 though, needs to be laddered up to much on a loss. Ive never seen anyone do it, but ive been doing the math on paper and the 5 9 ladder seems pretty solid. I havent had a chance to try it on my table yet though.
Bankroll is certainly the key factor. I don’t know if 5/9 will pay good enough. Maybe the higher chance to hit will make up the difference.
@@OnPointCraps i dont know. It would for sure have to be a buy bet (3/2) to have a chance, but in theory it should be a happy medium between the 4/10 and the 6/8. My tables in my shop and its been a rough winter here, but when the weather clears Im gonna mess around with it and see what happens.
@@Mccaid maybe I will give it a go myself!
Hi Mike, nice comparison video. More people should do this. A few comments on rhe 6/8 if you are going to do a ladder method. Unlike the 4 and 10 to be able to recover losses on the 6 and 8 you have to go up and down on them separately. For example if they both loss you go up a unit on both of course. However, if the eight wins at the $24 level and six is also at $24 you only reduce the eight. If the six loses you go up to $30. That way you give the individual number a chance ro recover. Should make for better recovery. Especially since individually the 6&8 have a ratio close to the 4/10 when compared to the seven. 5 to 6 for each of the six and eight individually. As compared to the 6 to 6 for the 4/10 when comparing combinations against the seven. Always keep an eye on your bankroll of course that way once you're in profit again, you can bring down both the six and eight to base bet no matter where they are at in the progression.
Thanks
That is great advice. I had not considered laddering them individually.
Love this comparison roll out. A longer video would be even better or maybe do it as part 1 and part 2. Otherwise it’s too short a time period to prove anything…
Thanks Jen. This is the challenge of providing content. Too short and it doesn’t really show enough. Too long and nobody watches. Finding the perfect balance is nearly impossible. I can do a longer follow up video. Would you want to see strategy rollouts as a series of like 3 videos?
@@OnPointCraps yes to the 3 part series. That’ll satisfy people who want to see it as a long roll. And also people who have sad attention spans, can just watch one at a time.
@@thejusticejen sounds good Jen. Thanks for the advice. I will look to that in the new year. I want to restructure my channel based on the Craps for the Cure talk with Jeremy anyway. I appreciate your support.
Nice video. This is some thing I have wondered as well. My gut tells me the 4/10 should almost always win out in this model.
I agree. As always, the dice will tell the story. If 6/8 are rolling consistently, then obviously they will win you more. I see the payout of the 4/10 overcoming in the end though.
I really like the 4/10 especially when Waylon adds the DP and calls it the world's greatest strategy. That way its a push on 7 out. The only hole is that you're very vulnerable on the CO7 (unless you lay the 4 or 10 on the CO before the buy). But that could bite too if the 4 or 10 rolls.
Well said. I agree. Waylon knows his stuff.
Remember: Every strategy is great! Right up until you go broke.
True enough. Don’t play with what you can’t afford to lose.
The 6/8 has a lower vig, so you will lose less in the long run than the 4/10.
I never buy the 6/8 so I hadn't calculated that in.
@@OnPointCraps the buy is less vig on the 45910, place is less vig on 68 is my understanding, and the 68 place vig is cheaper than the buy vig on the other box numbers.
You know that this proves nothing?
You are correct. It is just one point of data. This merely shows how this rollout played. It was still a fun and worthwhile endeavor.