Soldiers on the front line deserve the absolute best equipment. I know you guys don't always get it but you deserve it. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
really soft suspension works wonders off-road but on pavement it would suck pretty bad as the body roll would make it drive like an old caddilac with no road feel at all. That said I'm sure it's plenty capable on pavement but this is a dedicated off-road machine. pavement was an aftertought
Given that it has adjustable suspension I'm guessing it won't be all that bad on pavement. At the same time this is not built to be fun either on or off the road, it's for getting from A to B without having the passengers killed. And if it can do that it's considered a success. Creature comfort ranks below safety, reliability and off road performance, and things such as "road feel" are way down near the bottom if it even made the list.
Should’ve worn a Kevlar ACH, full body armor with plates, camelbak filled with water, 180 rounds of 5.56 ammo, pro-mask, MBITR radio and seatbelt, for the full experience. 😂😂😂
I'm an army vet, was a mechanized infantrymen in an armor battalion we were supposed to have brads and 113s but we had all wheeled vehicles and Oshkosh is without a doubt far far superior to am general our humvees were always breaking down, but our mat-v's never really had any problems and we tested all the systems in the trucks for the army( it sucked and I find it funny how they still have them classified there nothing special) but these systems pretty much required the trucks to run damn near 24/7 and they took it like champs, I will say though their ac units do break a lot that was really the main issue we always had, but they're very capable off road for their size and weight, but they could be smaller and much quieter everywhere we went you could hear us for miles away. So for the JLTV how loud is it? And how fast is it? A big problem we had with humvees in convoys is we were getting left behind cause all the mraps can easily do freeway speeds of 75-80mph while we were struggling to keep up at the humvees absolute max of 55mph and even then it would overheat real fast at those speeds (geared real low for off-road capability) so if it can fix those issues then it'll be a great tool at the warriors disposal oh and they should call it the LAT-V for light armored tactical vehicle
Zachary Lowrie I agree 100%!!! The MATVs did right by us in Afghanistan while I was there. Everything you said is exactly what I experienced as well! I love the MATVs. But like you said, the loudness announced us before we could be seen. I have two more years before I retire. Let’s hope they fix the noise and AC issues before then eh? Lol
@@qpidrc9454 one way to fix the A/C issue is to make pop in cooler modules like you have at home. window or side wall A/C would be a plug and play solution and i'd imagine Oskosh could design a system to guard the crew inside even with the shell perforations or use ducting to push the coolant or air.
POS HMMWV had low gearing to try and make up for the lack of power so it was able to seem like it did well offroad and/or with a payload. I think Osh should have gone with a CAT engine instead of another junk GM design.
At 4:57 The black vehicle is an Oshkosh Defense prototype hybrid Light Concept Vehicles (LCVs) they entered in the 43rd Annual Tecate SCORE Baja 1000 race.
Unfortunately, only one of the Oshkosh LCVs completed the 1,061-mile Baja 1000 course. And it took that truck (called M2) more than the allotted time for the race. That’s not the diesel-takes-all-victory we’re accustomed to-but not bad for the inaugural run of a pair of vehicles demonstrating radical new technology.Oshkosh Defense entered two of its prototype hybrid Light Concept Vehicles (LCVs). Different vehicles platforms from the JLTV (Joint Light Tactical Vehicle) talked about in the video.
MultiPurposeReviewer prolly not since they cannot be sold as normal highway vehicles... unless its a dealer that also sells off road use only stuff then maybe but this is only a replacement for the armored humvees if im not mistaken the normal ones are still in service I think they are also looking for a replacement for them too tho
MultiPurposeReviewer no they're going to sell them to smaller developing countries with weaker militaries who need transport vehicles. I bet only a few will be actually obtainable by citizens. Even then they already tried that with hummer and they went out of business from poor mpg and sales
You don't want one. Our police department obtained one and they are expensive to maintain. Drive one for a few months and you will get tired of the lumbering steering, the crappy seats and the limited visibility. I worked on them half my military career and hate working on as a civilian.
Those young folk fighting for your country DESERVE this. I am glad to see them getting something that can really decently protect them and give them a great tool for the field.
The name "Badger" is already used for the South African armoured personnel carrier called the "Ratel" (afrikaans) pronounced as rottel.... also chek out the rhino howitzer south African armoured vehicle 😁
@@1teckcivic I am a Pac-12 guy living in Washington. I quite like the Badgers, but wolverines are still the largest and most powerful member of the weasel family...sorry. Go Badgers (as long as they don't play my team).
I'm sure our military members will give it a fine name. I'm just glad they finally get to ride in a better vehicle. The humvee has needed to be replaced for years.
In regards to the question of why Duramax over a Cummings, per Gale Banks, during the stress testing the military and Gale Banks performed by running the engines full throttle for weeks, the Duramax held up to the test. The Cummings cylinder walls failed multiple times. The Duramax was a lot more durable and was able to be reliable and tuned better for power.
Actually Oshkosh Defense uses several different motors for different vehicles including CAT, Cummins, and Duramax. The Duramax tested best with the JLTV.
The Oshkosh M-ATV is by far my favorite MRAP vehicle I drove overseas. Far more nimble and mobile than the plentiful Navistar International MaxxPro Dash MRAP vehicles. Also far less rollover-prone. My biggest complaints with it were the low visibility with the small windows, reduced room compared to Navistar International MaxxPro, and the lack of disc brakes. Otherwise, I drove the Oshkosh M-ATV with high confidence that I was in a safe vehicle.
anotherrandomtexan25 - Greasing up military vehicles is easier in a way due to their higher ground clearance. It doesn't change the fact that it's rather laborious to hit every grease fitting, especially on an Oshkosh HEMTT.
Those shocks have to be magnetic. The way this thing soaked up bumps with minimal body movement was phenomenal. This thing is so beautiful, would look sick in matte/gunmetal grey (if it ever gets to the civilian market).
Well, in my opinion, it is not very fair to compare how old, 30+ years old technology (Humvee)? With a modern truck, built with modern technology, for the modern world. I would say, that Humvee has done its job honorably and I am pretty sure we will see those old trucks for many more years. Do not get me wrong, I like what the JLTV is like, but it seems a bit unfair to abuse Humvee just because of it.
Bulhy you're not understanding the point. Yes the humvee did its job honorably, but its job doesn't exist anymore. "Behind the lines" transport, utility, setup, etc... Is gone. Everywhere is now a potential hostile environment since 2001. The purpose was to show how mobile a humvee was in its original role. That 6,000 pound humvee has the same or less ability than the JLtv. The M-atv has equal armor and far less maneuverability than the JLtv. The Cold War is over and warfare has changed, so we need a truck that can do it all. Just read the military minimum req. for the jltv program, this thing is amazing.
I am not hating the JLTV at all. I am just point out the fact, that it would be shame, if the JLTV weren't better, than the Humvee, since it was build several decades later with much, much advanced technology.
Fred Smith The JLTV is designed for Afghanistan. Which is an occupation. It would not do well in a full spectrum war. In a full spectrum war, the good 'ol Bradley would shine yet again. Old fashioned Humvees would even be great because they can be air dropped. Armored vehicles = no good for air drops. Not invasion vehicles. Well, the Bradley is a land invasion vehicle that would actually scare the shit out of you with how capable it is. That is until you watch it slide off the side of an icy road and tip over. Can't get over that one.
Each vehicle has improvements over the last. Started out driving jeeps and the hmmv was a great improvement in most ways. This one will probably be the same way over the hmmv. It will probably also have teething pains when it gets into the real world use.
the Humvee, was, is, and always will be KING! it made it through brutal wars, at being basically the size of of a large civilian SUV...that's pretty badass! the humvee carried an believable weight(figuratively) for the military for DECADES! it was like the smallest heavyweight fighter always fighting the guys in his weight division way bigger than him! These new trucks are big and badass, but we gota give credit where credit is due!
dylan522p The seat is a 1" thick piece of foam on a metal plate. There is no leg room in the front or back. Your legs press right up against the transmission system which gets stupid hot, couple that with no a/c and hot desert summer. My M997 got stuck in a 5" hole on a 5° incline - not lost traction, it didn't have the power to make it. The electronics on them never work - head lights and switches need replaced all the time for example. They leak everywhere all the time - oil, brakes, hubs, coolant, power steering. Power steering pumps also need replaced all the time. Batteries die all the time, idk why, makes no sense to me. They're horrendously loud, both outside and in, to the point where they have a sticker inside that says you should wear hearing protection while driving it. I could keep going on, but the short of it is that they're ridiculously uncomfortable for how large they are, and at around a quarter million they're ridiculously unreliable for how much they are.
13 years in the Wisconsin Army National Guard. Spent a lot of time up in Oshkosh at the Armory there. Another great transport system added to the military arsenal by Oshkosh Truck. Way to go guys, Hooah!
I totally understand why Oshkosh didn't want to show the interior, and of you driving. I think it's great they let come and check it out, but at the same time it's a bit spooky knowing that such a great product for war is being produced so close to my home.
Why? The town over from my home town used to produce missiles during the cold war. The company I work for still produces missiles and bombs. It's not weird.
@@godzilladestroyscities1757 We have a Giant Naval base near me and they employee basically the whole county. I am pretty sure they make explosives and all kinds of other stuff there. I like it. If someone declares war on us security would be a lot better in my area.
Spooky? LMAO really... I used to work 20ft away from the MATV line in Mburg,PA building engines for tele's,lifts,etc. It's only a vehicle...once it's shipped to a base and the weapons systems are installed...then it's a weapon of war. Spooky...LMFAO!
Dude knowing someone is producing an up-armored SUV near your house is not spooky lmao. Trying living near a missile depot where they blow up old munitions on a daily basis.
Wow! It almost looks like, while certainly slower, it could take on the baja. What an amazing machine they have built. Good job guys, and thanks TFL for putting together this I am sure it took quite a lot of effort for 15 minutes of footage!
Amazing vehicles. Amazing engineering! That is all American engineering, and its the best there is! No doubt. I'd like to say congratulations and salute the guys at Oshkosh, for such an amazing work, great job! That is a beautiful machine. Great job!
At a weight of over 20,000 lbs., the powertrain out a semi truck would appear to have been a better choice over a civilian pickup weighing in at 6,000 lbs.
FYI, Civilian diesel trucks have a weight of around 9,000lbs and most have a GVWR of 26,000-35,000 (new models) and payload of 3000 to 5000lbs. Although these JLTV's weigh a lot more empty, the only thing out of a civilian pickup is the engine and maybe the transmission. The new duramax has over 400hp and 900 foot pounds of torque. It should work fine.
You don't have to worry about that. I'm sure when the engine is received by the engineering company he spoke of, they strip off all the shit that ruins diesel engines right now, DEF.
No, GVWR is the weight of the vehicle and payload only and it ranges from 8600 to over 14000 lbs for personal use diesel pickup trucks and higher for chassis cab 3500-5500 series commercial trucks. You're thinking of a GCWR which is vehicle, payload, and trailer weight, those range from the 20 to 35 thousand lbs.
Not exactly. Its all about gear ratio. These vehicles are geared quite differently at the differential and transmission than civilian vehicles. The cargo trucks used from the Vietnam War to the Gulf War era had less power and torque at the crank than modern pickups. M35, M54, M813, and M939 families of cargo trucks all had less than 300hp. They earned their prowess for capability from the gearing that multiplied the engine power. The engineers at Oshkosh continued with this for all of their military contract vehicles.
Humwee was worse Truck for military. This new one still Worse for today. Why they can not take what military needs? I think these are overpriced shit again.
I was a Bradley mechanic in the Army and I did 15 yrs with 3 tours to Iraq. I was there when the Insurgency kicked off. I was part of the troop surge as well. So I was there when Iraq was just a lawless place and shit was blowing up everyday nearly. First one of the things the media never showed was the bone yards that were in Kuwait that held all of the blown up military vehicles that were IED'd either in Iraq or on the supply routes into Iraq. These bone yards were massive and each held a particular vehicle family. The Hummers held the biggest lots and it was truly heart breaking to see these trucks because they were snap shots of how people died or were blown to hell. We had the 1114's and later the 1151's up armored Hummers. During my first tour it was the 1114's with additional bolt on armor. One of my squadrons troops lost 4 guys when IEDs that were daisy chained went off. We got the trucks back and the trucks looked4 like someone shot paper with bird shot. The metal armor might as well have not been present. The ballistic glass was the only thing that stopped the shrapnel from the explosions. During my 2nd tour I was sent to support 101st ABN but it was a cav sqdn they have 1/32 I believe was their unit #. Anyways by the time I got stationed with them they were only 2 months into their deployment and they had 8 Hummers that had to be coded out for IED's. Their Col requested armor and received it in the form of Pre-po Bradleys (thus why I was sent to them). Out of the 13 Bradley's they received, 11 of them had to be coded out for IED damage over 8 months. They only suffered 1 casualty as I remember. If it had been them running around in Hummers, well it definitely would have been more than 1 guy. The Haji's had figured out the Brads weak spot and got so good and hitting that spot that I had to tow in 2 Brads on the same day from the same route recon mission. Both Brads had collapsed hulls under the turrets. Thus popping the fuel cell there. For anyone wondering if what I am saying is sensitive. No not really lol. The Army publicly published the Bradley's manuals online for anyone to see. So its no wonder the insurgents figured out where to hit us. (But I was just a mechanic WTF do I know right). But yeah that 2nd tour I saw allot of destroyed Hummers as well. Including a MP Hummer that took 2 blasts before rolling off into a canal. Everyone made it out alive but mostly due to luck. The Hummers to me are basically Coffins on wheels. Before Iraq I also had the car guy romanticism of the Hummer and how awesome it was on cross country driving or poor weather conditions. And for the most part the Hummer lives up to its reputation as a great off road vehicle. But after you strap on Armor ammo ballistic glass. And crews loaded out with body armor and crew served weapons. Plus the 20 tons of bullshit the Army insisted be loaded onto these trucks that were already over loaded. Its not hard to understand why they were easy to roll over. And using Aluminum as a armor when you can dent the shit with a mechanics hammer. Its not hard to figure out why the armor was pretty shit at stopping shrapnel and explosions. I towed in allot of destroyed hardware and the hardest part of being a recovery guy is they never tell you if you are going to have to deal with human remains or not till you get there. They keep that sort of thing silent over the radio for obvious reasons. But that never made me feel better on those certain days and nights. The Hummer needs to be replaced I 1000% agree with this. It is a complete failure when it comes to protection of its crews up armored or not. I have seen just too many shredded and mangled. I truly hope these new trucks do a much better job for our soldiers. They really do have a hard job to do and yet they never fail to pick themselves up and do it.
These are awesome!! Now in the years to come we may start seeing the Hummers being filtered down to the civilian market for very reasonable prices like they've been doing with the M35A2 Deuce and Half trucks. Very very cool.
It's only money baby and I saw a civilian version in the back ground in this clip it's parked and all blk with painting on the side...so maybe swat first and then the rest of the blue team later like in a school take down...to get them up to the door...atleast..
That was our largest threat while in Iraq in 2004-2005. IED's and RPG's. Small arms fire wasn't as big of an issue. The HMMWV's didn't hold up to IED's or RPG's both would easily penetrate what little armor was on the HMMWV.
I'm amazed no one has come up with airless tires for these vehicles, I thought not having a flat tire on the battlefield would be a very useful, life-saving feature to have!
Roman - I am pleased to see you are growing your product line - and garnering a more exclusive visibility within the Automotive Industry. I was wondering, too, whether there would be a civilian version. I would love to own one - sans the body armor and "V" belly.
CUCV's where probably the worst trucks the military has adopted. Only thing worse was the gama goat. Can't tell you how many times we were stranded on the side of the road with the cucv's.
No light truck is "badass" in war. CUCV was a cheap utility truck. I liked driving them but I'd never confuse it with a weapon system. They are best used as civilian TOYS.
The Hummer would still be great if AM General just gave it a minor update, new duramax, 6speed Allison and more armor and it would still be killing terrorists for a lot less than these. These new trucks look cool, but they are too big and bulky for tight cities and narrow trails and they are bigger targets. I guarantee these trucks can't be airlifted by helicopter like the Humvee.
They tried upgrading the HMMWV. It doesnt work that well. More armor=more weight The suspension set up on the trucks just cant handle any more. Currently Up-armored HMMWVs weigh as much as an M35A2. Start adding troops in gear, cargo, ammo, etc, and you get 15,000lbs on a chassis that was designed for a maximum of 10,000 loaded. Not to mention that at those weights, the vehicle cant go offroad like it was designed. These new vehicles are better designed, more capable, and better armored. Yes they are bigger, but that doesnt really matter as they still fit wherever they are needed. The dimensions were specified as a requirement by the DoD. And they can be airlifted by the same helicopters that lift the HMMWV with up armor (which is limited to only a handful of available helicopters). You try designing a light weigh and compact vehicle capable of surviving IED blasts, and heavy small arms fire for extended periods of time.
I agree with everything you said. It's all about spending the money and lining their contractor pockets. They abandoned THOUSANDS of vehicles that could've been used still overseas, now they are making new ones to abandon. You can't tell me they could not have been stored in a friendly country such as Turkey or UAE.
after serving 20 years in the air force, i personally was not in a situation where i needed an armored vehicle. i can only hope later in life there are people that see the oshkosh as the 90's humvee. i personally thought at the time of nothing better, but technology changes, not always for the better but the oshkosh seems good for now.
I have to say I couldn't stop laughing at Roman being tossed about in the Humvee. I hope you remembered to pick up your teeth. That JLTV is truly impressive! Hopefully it will soon be available at a dealer nearby.😊
In Afghanistan, we drove MATVs through crazy mud in the winter due to melting snow. We had host nation trucks and Spanish RG vehicles that got stuck constantly, but the as far as I can remember we only had a MATV get stuck once. They are basically oversized dune buggies.
Can't tell you how many times I've almost rolled a matv on some off road mountain trails going as slow as possible. This is already far better so far. Would like to see it take those bumps with a turret though before I cast final judgement.
Wish I would have known you guys were in town. I live in Oshkosh and just got to get an up close look at the jltv last week, including the inside. Been learning all kinds of new things from Oshkosh truck and pierce being a FVTC student.
well, if in fact the military has considered this engine to be reliable enough to go into a combat vehicle, the engine is probably not “just another POS” as you so elegantly put it.
you really believe the military is going to make the same mistake again with putting an unreliable engine into a combat vehicle? your really insulting the entire military? you honestly believe they haven’t tested the engine yet to see if it holds up to the worst conditions? you believe that they haven’t loaded the truck up to the maximum and then worked the engine to its max? your delusional.
just bought the new jltv model kit very highly detailed 3D printed radio sets touch screen tvs the weapons systems etc beautiful love the jltv and mATVs
Drove MATVs in Afghanistan. Big, unyielding trucks. Safe though. One took a 200lb IED and blew off the tires. One soldier took a piece of shrapnel in the buttocks, but everyone was able to "walk away". Even the gunner was fine (and able to continue providing cover) with the active/passive restraint system preventing him from be catapulted out.
My team had a MATV while we were in Afghanistan. It was a very functional vehicle for our use. Just by watching this video, I would’ve loved to have a JLTV instead. They thing looks like it would be a dream to operate in our AO. I’m kind of jealous and want to drive one now.
is this real? Cause I feel the humvee was already pretty big and they replace it with a bigger truck? Does it really fit the same purpose as the humvee did? Looks more like an APC with no canon... I would of liked to see a return to Jeep with the modern wrangler all armored up :) and that visibility in those new trucks seems horrible. I'm sure they're better armored though.
You can, just not an armored version. For example, everyone has the misconception that the JLTV is replacing the Humvee. Thats not true, it's replacing the ARMORED Humvee, not the regular, unarmored Humvee. There's still a replacement needed for that vehicle, and something like the Wrangler version the Egyptian military uses would seem appropriate.
Skodz Gaming the war against terrorism in the Middle East involves a lot of IEDs and the Humvees and their current hull cannot defend troops against the blast. In this video you could show how their vehicles have a V-shape hull to deflect the blast away from our troops. Still it isn't perfect, but better compared to the Humvee.
Yes, the humvee at this point will finally return back to its ORIGINAL use which was a simple utility vehicle. Haul people around the FOB and tow trailers (there should not be any IEDs and land mines inside the perimeter of the FOBs, if there is, then someone is not doing their job). Jeeps cannot tow 12000 lbs like the Humvees can and are not very practical as a work truck. Wish I hadnt of gotten out of the Marine Corps four years ago, cuz i'll never get a chance to drive one of these babies.
Hydrogen Colorado isn't going to be a military vehicle. It is a test platform for an improved hydrogen fuel cell. In 10 years those hydrogen fuel cells might make it into the consumer market which is better than the previous fuel cells and a better solution than EVs.
Fuel cells are not better solution than EVs, for one they also use batteries because they have to since the power output is so low they act mostly as range extenders. Hydrogen cars won't happen. If the army wants them for special applications, they can have it.
+Eternitynaut That is why California has just approved hydrogen semi-trucks for intrastate travel in 2018. They only have 10 fueling stations which is going to be an issue. I think they are also discussing it for city busses.
It will be clear real soon than neither trucks nor buses are the killer app for hydrogen, it's what batteries can't do by themselves like those large ships that transport containers around the world or commercial aircrafts carrying a lot of people. The incentive to use hydrogen there is that it will take probably two decades until mass produced batteries become energy dense enough to not require anything else.
Only 345 hp?! How much does it get after a flash? And can the troops flash it from a switch in the cabin or do they need an external computer? If it's a 6.6L it oughta have 500 hp.
Hoss Cartwright I think you missed where they talked about detuning it for reliability and durability. They don't care about how much horsepower it has because it's all about torque with that weight.
I got a tip for you: the intake can be destroyed and it will disable the vehicle, lob a few RPG's hitting near the intake/ engine bay and it is out commission. Shoot, just a well-placed splash near the axles could disable the truck much faster. And then all you have to do is lay down fire until you can start lobbing grenades and use thermite to pop her open. Nothing is foolproof.
AWESOME... However, I owe my life to an M1114 HUMVEE. Twice I was hit with IEDs in M1114s that took the blasts. Although the second blast cost me a 27 year Army career it is better than the alternative. I pray the new JLTVs are what our troops need.
I wish the SRATS had got that contract years ago. That thing was sweet. All those years ago, I worked for a company that was going to integrate our portals into an independent suspension design. Would have been sweet. Oh well, this thing seems pretty awesome.
I like to be honest, this new JLTV car for the army seems very good, but, the demonstration is a bit dishonest, the H1 has tires with a lot of air pressure, that's one of the reasons that it jumps up more. The JLTV truck has tires with little air pressure (look carefully and you will see what I say) that gives you a great advantage in the demonstration! . Most people did not realize that detail. I do not like cheating.
In combat scenarios most military hmmwv's run solid rubber tires that are designed to absorb bullets/shrapnel/spikes etc. The newer trucks probably run the CTIS system that the Oshkosh MTVR 7 ton uses (judging by the wheels, they do), which allows you to lower air pressure on the fly, while moving, which improves grip on different surfaces. Civilian H1's have had the same tech since the 90s.
You are going to pull all the armor off, to do serious offroading. The pre-load would be so far off, the shocks would never compress. The first of many challenges.
The V shaped hull on the MATV is bolted and glued together. Any grunt will tell you that they would rather be in a Cougar then one of those. Not for comfort but for protection. As a matter of fact, our company commander wouldn't even allow us to drive them on roads. They were our QRF vehicles because of the speed but we still stayed off the roads. I am referencing Afghanistan in case any other grunts read this.
It's the new military and it has fighting girls in it buddy get use to it.. waste is not like it use to be...soon they will be drinking recycled piss in space....like the astronauts with this new space force they're talking about...lol
guy proulx and have zero payload capacity and get blown up. If you knew anything about trucks and what they're used for, you would know speed isn't everything.
I have had the privilege of driving the MATV right as they were doing their initial fielding. I can say that the improvements were greatly needed and noticed by all. The HMMWV is still around and unfortunately will take a long time to get rid of for the Army because of how many they have and because of how cheap they are to have for basic overall use. The JLTV is going to be a good replacement for the HMMWV, but it will take many years before it actually happens. I would not hold your breath for the idea of getting something like that for at least another twenty years.
Wonderful for a military with lots of technical support. As a guy who lives in dense forest in the PNW, I want something smaller and a lot simpler, say a WWII Jeep or M151. But it's a cool truck.
Soldiers on the front line deserve the absolute best equipment. I know you guys don't always get it but you deserve it. Thank you for your service and sacrifice.
incredible how it takes the bumps
Like my raptor. Quite impressive especially considering the weight.
really soft suspension works wonders off-road but on pavement it would suck pretty bad as the body roll would make it drive like an old caddilac with no road feel at all.
That said I'm sure it's plenty capable on pavement but this is a dedicated off-road machine. pavement was an aftertought
Given that it has adjustable suspension I'm guessing it won't be all that bad on pavement. At the same time this is not built to be fun either on or off the road, it's for getting from A to B without having the passengers killed. And if it can do that it's considered a success. Creature comfort ranks below safety, reliability and off road performance, and things such as "road feel" are way down near the bottom if it even made the list.
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So the question is oshkosh or Ford SVT Raptor? Lol.
Should’ve worn a Kevlar ACH, full body armor with plates, camelbak filled with water, 180 rounds of 5.56 ammo, pro-mask, MBITR radio and seatbelt, for the full experience. 😂😂😂
I think that would've exceeded Roman's gvwr
I'm an army vet, was a mechanized infantrymen in an armor battalion we were supposed to have brads and 113s but we had all wheeled vehicles and Oshkosh is without a doubt far far superior to am general our humvees were always breaking down, but our mat-v's never really had any problems and we tested all the systems in the trucks for the army( it sucked and I find it funny how they still have them classified there nothing special) but these systems pretty much required the trucks to run damn near 24/7 and they took it like champs, I will say though their ac units do break a lot that was really the main issue we always had, but they're very capable off road for their size and weight, but they could be smaller and much quieter everywhere we went you could hear us for miles away. So for the JLTV how loud is it? And how fast is it? A big problem we had with humvees in convoys is we were getting left behind cause all the mraps can easily do freeway speeds of 75-80mph while we were struggling to keep up at the humvees absolute max of 55mph and even then it would overheat real fast at those speeds (geared real low for off-road capability) so if it can fix those issues then it'll be a great tool at the warriors disposal oh and they should call it the LAT-V for light armored tactical vehicle
Were you in 2-1 in Bliss? I tested these things there. 1-35AR.
Zachary Lowrie I agree 100%!!!
The MATVs did right by us in Afghanistan while I was there. Everything you said is exactly what I experienced as well! I love the MATVs. But like you said, the loudness announced us before we could be seen. I have two more years before I retire. Let’s hope they fix the noise and AC issues before then eh? Lol
@@qpidrc9454 one way to fix the A/C issue is to make pop in cooler modules like you have at home.
window or side wall A/C would be a plug and play solution and i'd imagine Oskosh could design a system to guard the crew inside even with the shell perforations or use ducting to push the coolant or air.
Why not just drive pick up trucks tbh they are pretty tough these days. Mwraps are nice though
POS HMMWV had low gearing to try and make up for the lack of power so it was able to seem like it did well offroad and/or with a payload.
I think Osh should have gone with a CAT engine instead of another junk GM design.
At 4:57 The black vehicle is an Oshkosh Defense prototype hybrid Light Concept Vehicles (LCVs) they entered in the 43rd Annual Tecate SCORE Baja 1000 race.
Did it finish?
Unfortunately, only one of the Oshkosh LCVs completed the 1,061-mile Baja 1000 course. And it took that truck (called M2) more than the allotted time for the race. That’s not the diesel-takes-all-victory we’re accustomed to-but not bad for the inaugural run of a pair of vehicles demonstrating radical new technology.Oshkosh Defense entered two of its prototype hybrid Light Concept Vehicles (LCVs). Different vehicles platforms from the JLTV (Joint Light Tactical Vehicle) talked about in the video.
JulietBravo628 , radical new technology? Yeaaaaaa
How'd it do?
Does this mean that loads of retired Humvees will soon be hitting used car dealers near me?
MultiPurposeReviewer prolly not since they cannot be sold as normal highway vehicles... unless its a dealer that also sells off road use only stuff then maybe but this is only a replacement for the armored humvees if im not mistaken the normal ones are still in service I think they are also looking for a replacement for them too tho
MultiPurposeReviewer no they're going to sell them to smaller developing countries with weaker militaries who need transport vehicles. I bet only a few will be actually obtainable by citizens. Even then they already tried that with hummer and they went out of business from poor mpg and sales
You don't want one. Our police department obtained one and they are expensive to maintain. Drive one for a few months and you will get tired of the lumbering steering, the crappy seats and the limited visibility. I worked on them half my military career and hate working on as a civilian.
If more civilians knew how much they suck they wouldn't want one. I do so I don't. A properly built Jeep or other 4x4 is far superior off road and on.
Looking at a few Gov auction sites. 3k+ most are 7k
Those young folk fighting for your country DESERVE this. I am glad to see them getting something that can really decently protect them and give them a great tool for the field.
they are fighting for someone's oil drilling contracts
Call it the Badger. Toughest critter on four legs that also happens to be the state animal of Wisconsin.
The name "Badger" is already used for the South African armoured personnel carrier called the "Ratel" (afrikaans) pronounced as rottel.... also chek out the rhino howitzer south African armoured vehicle 😁
Wolverine...
That would be a Wolverine. You know the mascot for that other BIG 10 school.
@@wadopotato33 the better one 😉
@@1teckcivic I am a Pac-12 guy living in Washington. I quite like the Badgers, but wolverines are still the largest and most powerful member of the weasel family...sorry. Go Badgers (as long as they don't play my team).
But does it have Apple Car Play?
guy proulx Hahaha
Maybe
Apple is for Bitches, US military uses Android
@@TheLoneWolf449 DAMN STRAIGHT!
No but it was a aux cable
Gold mine hill?
As soon as they see a black kid running down their street working out.
Gotta call it the Warthog. Look at that bumper and tell me you dont see a resemblance.
Love the R v B reference.
trucker 9000 I never seen a Puma.
trucker 9000 I’m so proud!
Or the... Chupathingy...
I'm sure our military members will give it a fine name. I'm just glad they finally get to ride in a better vehicle. The humvee has needed to be replaced for years.
In regards to the question of why Duramax over a Cummings, per Gale Banks, during the stress testing the military and Gale Banks performed by running the engines full throttle for weeks, the Duramax held up to the test. The Cummings cylinder walls failed multiple times. The Duramax was a lot more durable and was able to be reliable and tuned better for power.
Actually Oshkosh Defense uses several different motors for different vehicles including CAT, Cummins, and Duramax. The Duramax tested best with the JLTV.
Jaueg Dag yeah I'd like to see a link or source to this testing
Lol, 99% chance the OP owns a Chevy with a Duramax. The "test" you mentioned is totally absurd, nothing would last.
🤡🤡🤡🤡's the lot of you's.. You all mention these engines as if you made it, or it makes you.
SG >>> honestly that is quite surprising, and, disappointing (on behalf of Cummins). But thank you for the info regardless.
I work around the MATV in the middle east and they are bad ass
Hell yeah they are. I love my MATV.
CaliforniaBullie
The Oshkosh M-ATV is by far my favorite MRAP vehicle I drove overseas. Far more nimble and mobile than the plentiful Navistar International MaxxPro Dash MRAP vehicles. Also far less rollover-prone. My biggest complaints with it were the low visibility with the small windows, reduced room compared to Navistar International MaxxPro, and the lack of disc brakes. Otherwise, I drove the Oshkosh M-ATV with high confidence that I was in a safe vehicle.
CaliforniaBullies do you know how maintenance is with them? Bet greasing up everything is a bitch
anotherrandomtexan25 - Greasing up military vehicles is easier in a way due to their higher ground clearance. It doesn't change the fact that it's rather laborious to hit every grease fitting, especially on an Oshkosh HEMTT.
But does it have bumper to bumper warranty?
Maybe
Only if you have a squad of mechanics on your side!
bumper to your face
Dyl Of Planet Earth No. If it gets a dent it's totaled and you've gotta buy a new one...Haven't you heard of the military industrial complex?
Yes, it's called the Endless Tax payer Warranty!
Those shocks have to be magnetic. The way this thing soaked up bumps with minimal body movement was phenomenal. This thing is so beautiful, would look sick in matte/gunmetal grey (if it ever gets to the civilian market).
nope not magnetic, i have worked on the tak 4 suspension and it has the high pressure gas springs. think fox shocks but hulk size
The MATV is a bad ass truck. We used them a lot and we all love it.
Well, in my opinion, it is not very fair to compare how old, 30+ years old technology (Humvee)? With a modern truck, built with modern technology, for the modern world. I would say, that Humvee has done its job honorably and I am pretty sure we will see those old trucks for many more years. Do not get me wrong, I like what the JLTV is like, but it seems a bit unfair to abuse Humvee just because of it.
Bulhy you're not understanding the point. Yes the humvee did its job honorably, but its job doesn't exist anymore. "Behind the lines" transport, utility, setup, etc... Is gone. Everywhere is now a potential hostile environment since 2001. The purpose was to show how mobile a humvee was in its original role. That 6,000 pound humvee has the same or less ability than the JLtv. The M-atv has equal armor and far less maneuverability than the JLtv. The Cold War is over and warfare has changed, so we need a truck that can do it all. Just read the military minimum req. for the jltv program, this thing is amazing.
I am not hating the JLTV at all. I am just point out the fact, that it would be shame, if the JLTV weren't better, than the Humvee, since it was build several decades later with much, much advanced technology.
Fred Smith The JLTV is designed for Afghanistan. Which is an occupation. It would not do well in a full spectrum war. In a full spectrum war, the good 'ol Bradley would shine yet again. Old fashioned Humvees would even be great because they can be air dropped.
Armored vehicles = no good for air drops. Not invasion vehicles. Well, the Bradley is a land invasion vehicle that would actually scare the shit out of you with how capable it is. That is until you watch it slide off the side of an icy road and tip over. Can't get over that one.
Each vehicle has improvements over the last. Started out driving jeeps and the hmmv was a great improvement in most ways. This one will probably be the same way over the hmmv. It will probably also have teething pains when it gets into the real world use.
What does fairness have to do with this? It's not about feelings, it's about evaluation
the Humvee, was, is, and always will be KING! it made it through brutal wars, at being basically the size of of a large civilian SUV...that's pretty badass! the humvee carried an believable weight(figuratively) for the military for DECADES! it was like the smallest heavyweight fighter always fighting the guys in his weight division way bigger than him! These new trucks are big and badass, but we gota give credit where credit is due!
I like it, build me a civilian version.
Dr Bendover drove it, it sucks.
Thomas Brand you think so, take off a lot for he armor, I bet it's good
dylan522p Yeah, my unit didn't get the up armored one. So I'll say again, it sucks.
Thomas Brand what sucked about it
dylan522p The seat is a 1" thick piece of foam on a metal plate. There is no leg room in the front or back. Your legs press right up against the transmission system which gets stupid hot, couple that with no a/c and hot desert summer. My M997 got stuck in a 5" hole on a 5° incline - not lost traction, it didn't have the power to make it. The electronics on them never work - head lights and switches need replaced all the time for example. They leak everywhere all the time - oil, brakes, hubs, coolant, power steering. Power steering pumps also need replaced all the time. Batteries die all the time, idk why, makes no sense to me.
They're horrendously loud, both outside and in, to the point where they have a sticker inside that says you should wear hearing protection while driving it.
I could keep going on, but the short of it is that they're ridiculously uncomfortable for how large they are, and at around a quarter million they're ridiculously unreliable for how much they are.
13 years in the Wisconsin Army National Guard. Spent a lot of time up in Oshkosh at the Armory there. Another great transport system added to the military arsenal by Oshkosh Truck. Way to go guys, Hooah!
I totally understand why Oshkosh didn't want to show the interior, and of you driving. I think it's great they let come and check it out, but at the same time it's a bit spooky knowing that such a great product for war is being produced so close to my home.
Why? The town over from my home town used to produce missiles during the cold war. The company I work for still produces missiles and bombs. It's not weird.
@@godzilladestroyscities1757 We have a Giant Naval base near me and they employee basically the whole county. I am pretty sure they make explosives and all kinds of other stuff there. I like it. If someone declares war on us security would be a lot better in my area.
Spooky? LMAO really...
I used to work 20ft away from the MATV line in Mburg,PA building engines for tele's,lifts,etc.
It's only a vehicle...once it's shipped to a base and the weapons systems are installed...then it's a weapon of war.
Spooky...LMFAO!
Dude knowing someone is producing an up-armored SUV near your house is not spooky lmao. Trying living near a missile depot where they blow up old munitions on a daily basis.
Wow! It almost looks like, while certainly slower, it could take on the baja. What an amazing machine they have built. Good job guys, and thanks TFL for putting together this I am sure it took quite a lot of effort for 15 minutes of footage!
Welcome to Wisconsin!
Amazing vehicles. Amazing engineering! That is all American engineering, and its the best there is! No doubt. I'd like to say congratulations and salute the guys at Oshkosh, for such an amazing work, great job! That is a beautiful machine. Great job!
At a weight of over 20,000 lbs., the powertrain out a semi truck would appear to have been a better choice over a civilian pickup weighing in at 6,000 lbs.
FYI, Civilian diesel trucks have a weight of around 9,000lbs and most have a GVWR of 26,000-35,000 (new models) and payload of 3000 to 5000lbs. Although these JLTV's weigh a lot more empty, the only thing out of a civilian pickup is the engine and maybe the transmission. The new duramax has over 400hp and 900 foot pounds of torque. It should work fine.
i agree and i hope that chevy puts a higher standard of quality on these engines
You don't have to worry about that. I'm sure when the engine is received by the engineering company he spoke of, they strip off all the shit that ruins diesel engines right now, DEF.
No, GVWR is the weight of the vehicle and payload only and it ranges from 8600 to over 14000 lbs for personal use diesel pickup trucks and higher for chassis cab 3500-5500 series commercial trucks. You're thinking of a GCWR which is vehicle, payload, and trailer weight, those range from the 20 to 35 thousand lbs.
Not exactly. Its all about gear ratio. These vehicles are geared quite differently at the differential and transmission than civilian vehicles. The cargo trucks used from the Vietnam War to the Gulf War era had less power and torque at the crank than modern pickups. M35, M54, M813, and M939 families of cargo trucks all had less than 300hp. They earned their prowess for capability from the gearing that multiplied the engine power. The engineers at Oshkosh continued with this for all of their military contract vehicles.
TFL Truck >>> Thank you for the excellent video presentation and quality standard that we have grown accustom to from your channel, bravo! ;-)
China will have one built by tomorrow thanks to this video.
And with their crappy engineering, it'll suck to drive, not be bullet proof, and probably gonna gulp up oil by the gallons.
It'll be built like Chinese stuff and be total crap though.
China: N-No truth s-sempai! 🙇
China couldn't build a fuggin hammer. Worst manufacturing in the history of the world. The Romans had more ability.
Humwee was worse Truck for military. This new one still Worse for today. Why they can not take what military needs? I think these are overpriced shit again.
I was a Bradley mechanic in the Army and I did 15 yrs with 3 tours to Iraq. I was there when the Insurgency kicked off. I was part of the troop surge as well. So I was there when Iraq was just a lawless place and shit was blowing up everyday nearly. First one of the things the media never showed was the bone yards that were in Kuwait that held all of the blown up military vehicles that were IED'd either in Iraq or on the supply routes into Iraq. These bone yards were massive and each held a particular vehicle family. The Hummers held the biggest lots and it was truly heart breaking to see these trucks because they were snap shots of how people died or were blown to hell. We had the 1114's and later the 1151's up armored Hummers. During my first tour it was the 1114's with additional bolt on armor. One of my squadrons troops lost 4 guys when IEDs that were daisy chained went off. We got the trucks back and the trucks looked4 like someone shot paper with bird shot. The metal armor might as well have not been present. The ballistic glass was the only thing that stopped the shrapnel from the explosions. During my 2nd tour I was sent to support 101st ABN but it was a cav sqdn they have 1/32 I believe was their unit #. Anyways by the time I got stationed with them they were only 2 months into their deployment and they had 8 Hummers that had to be coded out for IED's. Their Col requested armor and received it in the form of Pre-po Bradleys (thus why I was sent to them). Out of the 13 Bradley's they received, 11 of them had to be coded out for IED damage over 8 months. They only suffered 1 casualty as I remember. If it had been them running around in Hummers, well it definitely would have been more than 1 guy. The Haji's had figured out the Brads weak spot and got so good and hitting that spot that I had to tow in 2 Brads on the same day from the same route recon mission. Both Brads had collapsed hulls under the turrets. Thus popping the fuel cell there. For anyone wondering if what I am saying is sensitive. No not really lol. The Army publicly published the Bradley's manuals online for anyone to see. So its no wonder the insurgents figured out where to hit us. (But I was just a mechanic WTF do I know right). But yeah that 2nd tour I saw allot of destroyed Hummers as well. Including a MP Hummer that took 2 blasts before rolling off into a canal. Everyone made it out alive but mostly due to luck. The Hummers to me are basically Coffins on wheels. Before Iraq I also had the car guy romanticism of the Hummer and how awesome it was on cross country driving or poor weather conditions. And for the most part the Hummer lives up to its reputation as a great off road vehicle. But after you strap on Armor ammo ballistic glass. And crews loaded out with body armor and crew served weapons. Plus the 20 tons of bullshit the Army insisted be loaded onto these trucks that were already over loaded. Its not hard to understand why they were easy to roll over. And using Aluminum as a armor when you can dent the shit with a mechanics hammer. Its not hard to figure out why the armor was pretty shit at stopping shrapnel and explosions. I towed in allot of destroyed hardware and the hardest part of being a recovery guy is they never tell you if you are going to have to deal with human remains or not till you get there. They keep that sort of thing silent over the radio for obvious reasons. But that never made me feel better on those certain days and nights. The Hummer needs to be replaced I 1000% agree with this. It is a complete failure when it comes to protection of its crews up armored or not. I have seen just too many shredded and mangled. I truly hope these new trucks do a much better job for our soldiers. They really do have a hard job to do and yet they never fail to pick themselves up and do it.
Thank you for your service!
Nice vehicle
The Hummer was a step up and we are stepping up again.
Good job......... Hope it can take a 7.62mm with no penetration.
These are awesome!! Now in the years to come we may start seeing the Hummers being filtered down to the civilian market for very reasonable prices like they've been doing with the M35A2 Deuce and Half trucks. Very very cool.
I want to know how long it will be, until the police departments, come Up with reasons why they'll be needing about 20-100 of these per department?
Detroit MacDonalds drive through
Never, since you are exaggerating
when uncle sam wants a new vehicle to replace it in 30-40 years maybe police can get them then, they are already getting some of the left over mraps.
It's only money baby and I saw a civilian version in the back ground in this clip it's parked and all blk with painting on the side...so maybe swat first and then the rest of the blue team later like in a school take down...to get them up to the door...atleast..
When the left starts to abolish the 2nd Amendment. 🚫
We had MAT-Vs in Afghanistan in 2010 and they were awesome.
The JLTV nickname should be The Oshkosh Bruiser. The face of the truck says it all.
Lawrence German I like that name too 👏🏼
COOL those two new units look so much better and is well needed!
In my opinion the priority is to protect against IED's and then you build the truck around that
That was our largest threat while in Iraq in 2004-2005. IED's and RPG's. Small arms fire wasn't as big of an issue. The HMMWV's didn't hold up to IED's or RPG's both would easily penetrate what little armor was on the HMMWV.
13:11 Thanksfor the Awesome Lock Screen!!
I can tell obviously he was not in the military from the look on his face when he’s driving in that Humvee😂😂😂
I'm amazed no one has come up with airless tires for these vehicles, I thought not having a flat tire on the battlefield would be a very useful, life-saving feature to have!
War is a lucrative business
ANTIFA and the divisive, bias, leftist media is a lucrative business, too.
Because no1 really wants to lose in war.
@@Joe-rx7ht my god dude, keep your basement dwelling misinformation to yourself.
@@Joe-rx7ht Conservative media has the most money behind it by far right down to the TH-cam and Radio level, tf do you mean?
JacatackLP what kinda rock are you living under? Conservative media is very under represented
Roman - I am pleased to see you are growing your product line - and garnering a more exclusive visibility within the Automotive Industry. I was wondering, too, whether there would be a civilian version. I would love to own one - sans the body armor and "V" belly.
I would like to know the towing capability. I would also like to see Mr.. Truck change a run-flat tire or tire/rim assembly. It's an experience!
Very cool, i can see why you thought it was one of the best days of your life! Thank you for an informative and entertaining video.
I get that it may be still "Oshkosh proprietary" but I think "highly classified" may be a bit of an exaggeration.
There is a secret RED BUTTON.
There I said it. Wait...who knocking on my door at 9:30 pm?..
as usual another excellent review! These things are so bad ass makes me proud!
You mentioned the Jeep before the HMMWV, you neglected the CUCV! Bad ass line of trucks, those old Dodge and Chevy CUCV's.
CUCV's where probably the worst trucks the military has adopted. Only thing worse was the gama goat. Can't tell you how many times we were stranded on the side of the road with the cucv's.
No light truck is "badass" in war. CUCV was a cheap utility truck. I liked driving them but I'd never confuse it with a weapon system. They are best used as civilian TOYS.
It's hilarious how many surplus CUCVs were bought buy guys thinking they were getting something hawt.
He holding on for dear life at 2:35 haha
The Hummer would still be great if AM General just gave it a minor update, new duramax, 6speed Allison and more armor and it would still be killing terrorists for a lot less than these. These new trucks look cool, but they are too big and bulky for tight cities and narrow trails and they are bigger targets. I guarantee these trucks can't be airlifted by helicopter like the Humvee.
Kevin Bowman look at the good side now you can buy a humvee
They tried upgrading the HMMWV. It doesnt work that well. More armor=more weight The suspension set up on the trucks just cant handle any more. Currently Up-armored HMMWVs weigh as much as an M35A2. Start adding troops in gear, cargo, ammo, etc, and you get 15,000lbs on a chassis that was designed for a maximum of 10,000 loaded. Not to mention that at those weights, the vehicle cant go offroad like it was designed. These new vehicles are better designed, more capable, and better armored. Yes they are bigger, but that doesnt really matter as they still fit wherever they are needed. The dimensions were specified as a requirement by the DoD. And they can be airlifted by the same helicopters that lift the HMMWV with up armor (which is limited to only a handful of available helicopters). You try designing a light weigh and compact vehicle capable of surviving IED blasts, and heavy small arms fire for extended periods of time.
I agree with everything you said. It's all about spending the money and lining their contractor pockets. They abandoned THOUSANDS of vehicles that could've been used still overseas, now they are making new ones to abandon. You can't tell me they could not have been stored in a friendly country such as Turkey or UAE.
Sean, even the Hummers were way too big and obvious targets. These will only fit large boulevards of the US. Good luck with these in Asia.
Commentator541 Not good to store things in Turkey.
after serving 20 years in the air force, i personally was not in a situation where i needed an armored vehicle. i can only hope later in life there are people that see the oshkosh as the 90's humvee. i personally thought at the time of nothing better, but technology changes, not always for the better but the oshkosh seems good for now.
Did he say Osh Kosh b'gosh?
I have to say I couldn't stop laughing at Roman being tossed about in the Humvee. I hope you remembered to pick up your teeth. That JLTV is truly impressive! Hopefully it will soon be available at a dealer nearby.😊
Such a horrible test. Take it to NTC and drive it up a mountain.
take it to jrtc, see if you can get it through a field without getting it stuck. all the m-atv's do.
In Afghanistan, we drove MATVs through crazy mud in the winter due to melting snow. We had host nation trucks and Spanish RG vehicles that got stuck constantly, but the as far as I can remember we only had a MATV get stuck once. They are basically oversized dune buggies.
These things have been thoroughly tested trust me I've seen hundreds of them
Can't tell you how many times I've almost rolled a matv on some off road mountain trails going as slow as possible. This is already far better so far. Would like to see it take those bumps with a turret though before I cast final judgement.
DURMAX
Wish I would have known you guys were in town. I live in Oshkosh and just got to get an up close look at the jltv last week, including the inside. Been learning all kinds of new things from Oshkosh truck and pierce being a FVTC student.
After this you need to test one of the german Dingos. That would be amazing or atleast try a “Wolf“ from the Bundeswehr🙂
Can't wait for TFL to compare this to the Ford Raptor, since they do such a great job comparing apples to apples. *Sarcasm intended
Duramax engine nice
DURMAX
Just another POS
well, if in fact the military has considered this engine to be reliable enough to go into a combat vehicle, the engine is probably not “just another POS” as you so elegantly put it.
@@Willyd2758 LOL Yeah like the HMMWV was.......
you really believe the military is going to make the same mistake again with putting an unreliable engine into a combat vehicle? your really insulting the entire military? you honestly believe they haven’t tested the engine yet to see if it holds up to the worst conditions? you believe that they haven’t loaded the truck up to the maximum and then worked the engine to its max? your delusional.
just bought the new jltv model kit very highly detailed 3D printed radio sets touch screen tvs the weapons systems etc beautiful love the jltv and mATVs
I know its a duramax engine but whats the platform / chassis .....or it classified
+michael miranda is an Oshkosh truck
Drove MATVs in Afghanistan. Big, unyielding trucks. Safe though. One took a 200lb IED and blew off the tires. One soldier took a piece of shrapnel in the buttocks, but everyone was able to "walk away". Even the gunner was fine (and able to continue providing cover) with the active/passive restraint system preventing him from be catapulted out.
....looks like a puma lol
Oh, now we're makin' up animals, are we?
Chupathingy!!!
sasquatch!
😆😆😆😹😹😹hahahahha
My team had a MATV while we were in Afghanistan. It was a very functional vehicle for our use. Just by watching this video, I would’ve loved to have a JLTV instead. They thing looks like it would be a dream to operate in our AO. I’m kind of jealous and want to drive one now.
Man, that's one big target.
The first thing I took note of were the doors, VERY NICE!
is this real? Cause I feel the humvee was already pretty big and they replace it with a bigger truck? Does it really fit the same purpose as the humvee did? Looks more like an APC with no canon... I would of liked to see a return to Jeep with the modern wrangler all armored up :) and that visibility in those new trucks seems horrible. I'm sure they're better armored though.
Skodz Gaming The humvees are small and really cramped on the inside for taller people. Also, the bulkiness is to protect occupants.
You can't make something appropriate for the military out of a Wrangler without it looking like this in the end.
You can, just not an armored version. For example, everyone has the misconception that the JLTV is replacing the Humvee. Thats not true, it's replacing the ARMORED Humvee, not the regular, unarmored Humvee. There's still a replacement needed for that vehicle, and something like the Wrangler version the Egyptian military uses would seem appropriate.
Skodz Gaming the war against terrorism in the Middle East involves a lot of IEDs and the Humvees and their current hull cannot defend troops against the blast. In this video you could show how their vehicles have a V-shape hull to deflect the blast away from our troops. Still it isn't perfect, but better compared to the Humvee.
Yes, the humvee at this point will finally return back to its ORIGINAL use which was a simple utility vehicle. Haul people around the FOB and tow trailers (there should not be any IEDs and land mines inside the perimeter of the FOBs, if there is, then someone is not doing their job). Jeeps cannot tow 12000 lbs like the Humvees can and are not very practical as a work truck.
Wish I hadnt of gotten out of the Marine Corps four years ago, cuz i'll never get a chance to drive one of these babies.
Geez...Roman wimping it! Hilarious.
Those look a little better than that hydrogen colorado...
Hydrogen Colorado isn't going to be a military vehicle. It is a test platform for an improved hydrogen fuel cell. In 10 years those hydrogen fuel cells might make it into the consumer market which is better than the previous fuel cells and a better solution than EVs.
Fuel cells are not better solution than EVs, for one they also use batteries because they have to since the power output is so low they act mostly as range extenders. Hydrogen cars won't happen. If the army wants them for special applications, they can have it.
+Eternitynaut That is why California has just approved hydrogen semi-trucks for intrastate travel in 2018. They only have 10 fueling stations which is going to be an issue. I think they are also discussing it for city busses.
It will be clear real soon than neither trucks nor buses are the killer app for hydrogen, it's what batteries can't do by themselves like those large ships that transport containers around the world or commercial aircrafts carrying a lot of people. The incentive to use hydrogen there is that it will take probably two decades until mass produced batteries become energy dense enough to not require anything else.
John Wyskochil that was a concept car.
That suspension articulation looks great.
Only 345 hp?! How much does it get after a flash? And can the troops flash it from a switch in the cabin or do they need an external computer? If it's a 6.6L it oughta have 500 hp.
Hoss Cartwright I think you missed where they talked about detuning it for reliability and durability. They don't care about how much horsepower it has because it's all about torque with that weight.
JW Outdoor Well said
JW Outdoor Exactly, I already have troops crashing my damn humvees into stuff. They don't need more power to hit trees faster.
Although it only had 340hp, I've heard that it has close to 1000ft lbs of torque and this is what the military needs, a torque monster.
Daniel Perry Your exactly right sir.
Got to see some of these close up yesterday, they are awesome!
Pretty much a baja truck with armor.
I got a tip for you: the intake can be destroyed and it will disable the vehicle, lob a few RPG's hitting near the intake/ engine bay and it is out commission.
Shoot, just a well-placed splash near the axles could disable the truck much faster.
And then all you have to do is lay down fire until you can start lobbing grenades and use thermite to pop her open. Nothing is foolproof.
Great banks is in it so you know its a HUGE rip off...
You know who Banks is? Literally the diesel Shelby.
AWESOME... However, I owe my life to an M1114 HUMVEE. Twice I was hit with IEDs in M1114s that took the blasts. Although the second blast cost me a 27 year Army career it is better than the alternative. I pray the new JLTVs are what our troops need.
Does it come in black
7:25
I wish the SRATS had got that contract years ago. That thing was sweet. All those years ago, I worked for a company that was going to integrate our portals into an independent suspension design. Would have been sweet. Oh well, this thing seems pretty awesome.
I like to be honest, this new JLTV car for the army seems very good, but, the demonstration is a bit dishonest, the H1 has tires with a lot of air pressure, that's one of the reasons that it jumps up more.
The JLTV truck has tires with little air pressure (look carefully and you will see what I say) that gives you a great advantage in the demonstration! . Most people did not realize that detail. I do not like cheating.
In combat scenarios most military hmmwv's run solid rubber tires that are designed to absorb bullets/shrapnel/spikes etc. The newer trucks probably run the CTIS system that the Oshkosh MTVR 7 ton uses (judging by the wheels, they do), which allows you to lower air pressure on the fly, while moving, which improves grip on different surfaces. Civilian H1's have had the same tech since the 90s.
It looks like a fine vehicle, I hope they tested in actual off road combat conditions and not just in their parking lot.
I came hear expecting to see the interior, I am disappointed.
Imagine a ton of buttons and a few screens. There will be a picture leaked at some point.
sorry terrorists ; p
A world class rig made at home. Satisfying.
Nickname : J-Hawk
Duuuuuude!!!! If those jltv's had a civilian version like the humvee's hummer. Id buy one on the spot. That thing is amazing!
You are going to pull all the armor off, to do serious offroading. The pre-load would be so far off, the shocks would never compress. The first of many challenges.
Let's be honest, humvee still looks more badass
OSH KOSH also makes the big airport crash rescue rigs,they are top dog.Very highly reguarded in the fire service.
Wow, getting beat up in a Humvee will definitely give you PTSD. Glad our troops get a better ride.
The V shaped hull on the MATV is bolted and glued together. Any grunt will tell you that they would rather be in a Cougar then one of those. Not for comfort but for protection. As a matter of fact, our company commander wouldn't even allow us to drive them on roads. They were our QRF vehicles because of the speed but we still stayed off the roads. I am referencing Afghanistan in case any other grunts read this.
I've never heard Military and fuel economy in the same sentence..
It's the new military and it has fighting girls in it buddy get use to it.. waste is not like it use to be...soon they will be drinking recycled piss in space....like the astronauts with this new space force they're talking about...lol
One more thing, Oshkosh has been making vehicles for the military since the 80's. All the wreckers and heavy vehicles were made by them.
Just another way to pump money into Isreal.
nah, it's also very useful for Hollywood, it will look badass good on action/war movies!...
@baetaeF8 haha, I don't have enough info on that if I really understood what you're trying to say!
The m8tv is a beast, I personally drove it while deployed a couple times. Very comfortable in comparison, also far more capable
They should just armour up a ridge line to make a new troop vehicle
Julie Robinson this is the most dumb recommendation I've ever heard
Calm down guys, this comment is just ISIS propaganda. Clearly the author want to see the US troops fail miserably.
guy proulx It can try to run circles, but it'll just end up understeering into a ditch. Fwd truck, yeah right.
its not a truck XD...
guy proulx and have zero payload capacity and get blown up. If you knew anything about trucks and what they're used for, you would know speed isn't everything.
that JLTV is like a wet dream lol love that rig!
I just love how that suspension flexes
My suggestion for a designation is that of "RAMVEE" ... what a fantastic weapon !
Great video guys!
10:50 that's pretty impressive!
That stability blew my mind.
I have had the privilege of driving the MATV right as they were doing their initial fielding. I can say that the improvements were greatly needed and noticed by all. The HMMWV is still around and unfortunately will take a long time to get rid of for the Army because of how many they have and because of how cheap they are to have for basic overall use. The JLTV is going to be a good replacement for the HMMWV, but it will take many years before it actually happens. I would not hold your breath for the idea of getting something like that for at least another twenty years.
Huge upgrade. Strong af. Exactly what our military needs.
This thing looks awesome
Wonderful for a military with lots of technical support. As a guy who lives in dense forest in the PNW, I want something smaller and a lot simpler, say a WWII Jeep or M151. But it's a cool truck.
Wow amazing tech - no doubt we save lives