Can you do part 2 of Battlefield 1 please can you react movie mosul that movie is on Netflix is based on a true story it was Isis versus Iraqi Army and the allies from the city named Mosel can you react the movie 2019 Midway please I love your videos I hope you have a great day please reply if you have a chance I love history history is cool I hope you have a awesome day
It's It's that historical based games are destroyed by these people who want to shove sjw and wokeness garbage so they don't have to "fear" cancel culture, it's just pathetic and these people are the kind that feed into the ignorance these people have
The French are in the Game, as well as the Russians... There are also French tanks. The 77mm Canon was reportedly used in an antitank role against Mark V tanks. This is just the 1st mission, an introduction, there are more in Italy, in Arabia, In Gallipoli and even over London.
The zeppelin wasn't firing rockets, those were bullets from an autocannon, there's a couple of them mounted on those in the game, the rest is all MGs. Btw I'd like to see you react to the British tank mission.
The entire comment section is correcting this guy. To be honest, I think this guy should stray away from WW1, because it’s obvious he knows very little, such as calling the M1907 Self Loading the Model 1987 shotgun, despite it not being a shotgun, and instead being a self loading rifle. He even put a picture of a shotgun, despite seeing that it was obviously not.
Yeah, he is great when it comes to WW2, but WW1 is clearly not his field of expertise. He didn't even know field guns were actually used against tanks, and didn't even notice many inaccuracies while concentrating on some that were really nitpicking.
Yeah he is also just an amateur historian i:e he has no actual historical education at uni level. Since historian is not a protected title, literally anyone can call themselves a historian.
Let me start this out that saying that I love this video, I love the creator, and I love the series. I am a bit of WWI enthusiast. I have dedicated many years of my life to researching the conflict and have even had a hobby of collecting relics from the fighting. I thought I would take the time with this comment and help further educate the audience, as well as the content creator, on some aspects of the war. You shared many good points, though I can't help but correct you with some. Any inaccuracy he mentioned that I did not put on this list was accurate and I left untouched. I am still learning myself, this all comes from information I have gathered over years of research, if I got anything wrong, please let me know, I am very interested in further discussing this topic. 1. (1:30) The war story "Storm of Steel", from my research, was not explicitly given a battle or time period other than "late 1918". Battlefield 1 has a separate map placed in the Second Battle of the Marne that is much more accurate, which leads me to believe that this is implied to be a different sector and battle entirely. 2. (3:01) You are absolutely right that the Harlem Hellfighters were issued standard French gear, meaning in most situation the Benet-Mercie would not have been issued to them, it is also important to note that by this time in the war, most armies were struggling to scrape together resources, meaning it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility for the French to issue a couple old Hotchkisses they had lying around. 3. (3:42) The "rocket" is a shell being fired from a field gun; Battlefield has an odd obsession with insane bullet tracers which gave it that impression. 4. (3:55) I tried doing some research of the claim that Germany during WWI would use machine guns in an assault but couldn't explicitly find anything to back that claim. I will say, however, that that was a very WWII strategy of the Germans. Assuming that this is a stormtrooper battalion (despite their appearance claiming otherwise), from the flamethrower and grenadiers, they would 100% not have a machine gun assisting in their charge. Machine guns were insanely cumbersome during the first world war, they couldn't easily be disassembled and relocated as they were in future conflicts. Considering this is late war, trenches are most likely obsolete, as seen with the more mobile warfare featured in this mission, meaning this isn't a standard over the top assault, but regardless, the same concepts are there, another reason why the Germans wouldn't be hauling a two-hundred-pound machine gun with them. 5. (4:58) Your point still stands that the Harlem Hellfighters wouldn't have had it issued to them, but I just wanted to point out that you super fucked up the classification of that weapon, to a degree which is a bit wild. That is not a Winchester 1897, it is Winchester 1907, as the name literally claims. The two guns don't look anywhere near similar, and you can get this info from simply looking up m1907 sl into the google search engine. Regardless your point still stands, I just thought I'd point that out. 6. (6:10) You're right that most flametroopers had a squad of a couple men assisting them, but there were in fact mobile models that saw combat and were especially common in the late war scene being pictured in this war story. 7. (7:22) That is 100% not a Maxim, that is the biggest Vickers I have seen in my entire life. Regardless, would not have been available to the Harlem Hellfighters either way. 8. (7:37) Good point with the trenches, though as I stated earlier. In the late stages of the war, trenches were practically entirely phased out in many theaters as the war became more mobile again following the spring offensive. Considering this is an active frontline, what was once most likely an HQ trench (explaining why it is wider) a couple hundred meters behind the frontline trenches has most likely been abandoned and all of the guns, ammunition, etc. relocated or trashed. 9. (8:15) Again, those aren't rockets coming from the Zeppelin, they are Autocannons, which in their own right are slightly unrealistic to be on a zeppelin, as they were commonly manned as anti-aircraft guns on the ground. 10. (11:17) The fact that there was even one German tank meaning saying they were only on our side is an inaccurate claim, that's not even a history thing that's just grammar. Germans didn't produce many of their own tanks, but they did commonly use captured allied tanks, still to no degree that rivaled Allied forces, but much more than twenty. 11. (11:53) Those are British soldiers, not American, you can tell by uniform, tanks, accent, weaponry, etc. I know you aren't English, so you don't really associate or pick up on foreign English accents, but the commander for that tank is the most British sounding Brit I have heard in my entire life. Another blatant error that I don't know how you made. French and British troops did, in fact, often fight in the same sectors. 12. (13:22) Again, they are BRITISH troops, they are using a BRITISH tank, because they are BRITISH. One of my biggest pet peeves for people doing sin tallies for Storm of Steel is everyone seems to forget you are hopping between soldiers, you really only play as a Harlem Hellfighters with the first and last guy. 13. (14:33) Tanks were beyond slow on rough terrain, they most likely had to get to the front quickly, so used the road to hit their maximum speed (which you neglect to mention is way too fast for a tank of the time, especially a mark four). 14. (15:34) Actually entirely incorrect, the most blatantly false statement of this entire video. WWI tanks were beyond unarmored, they were really only effective against deflecting bullets, a frag grenade, in the right spot, could fuck it up. Field canons were often used as primitive Pak guns because of how effective they were against tanks. One hit could effectively put a tank out of commission. 15. (17:43) Again, those are British Troops fighting alongside Harlem Hellfighters, how about instead of forgetting that English people exist you realize that the character you are playing as is using an Italian submachine gun that most definitely never saw combat on the Western Front. 16. (18:10) I am not going to restate my point, its late war, trenches were becoming less common, I think the implications here specifically is that they are fighting in no man's land. Also, not that I expect you to know this, as you most likely haven't played the game, but right over that small hill is a row of trenches.
I’d be curious to know, as you mentioned “Biggest pet peeve with storm of steel reviews”. Did your love and interest for WW1 history STEM from Battlefield 1?
@@OBSDCC7 Thank you for reading my comment, I know it was long winded. My interest in the topic has roots in my childhood fixation on the Peanuts comics but besides that, yeah, I would say that Battlefield One really kicked off my overall interest and hyper fixation on the period. Its a great game, great experience, and left a mark on me in many ways.
Wow, wonderful comment! Thank you for all the information :) did you read "Infanterie greift an" by Erwin Rommel? Because i remember him using heavy MG Platoons as support in assaults to suppress enemy positions. The MGs did'nt follow the Charge but were placed in favorable positions prior to the attack.
Another point is that him talking about shotguns, yes the Germans protested them but that was basically done as a deflection for them. The Americans also didn’t like using shotguns as they used paper ammo at the time that would often swell up and jam the shotgun, especially if the ammo wasn’t stored properly, making them ineffective after a few shots. It wasn’t until ww2 when we switched the ammo material to wax in ww2 that we remedied this issue.
Battlefield 1 developers: we sacrificed historical accuracy for the game to feel cool. Also Battlefield 1 developers:*are 100 time more accurate than call of duty developers*.
The "It ended nothing" line refers to how only a decade later Europe fought a war that was twice as deadly and caused a hundred times more destruction to Europe with the Treaty of Versaille's being one of the main things that Hitler used to gain power to jump start this war.
I bet that when he said "mostly on our side" he meant that the tanks that Germans captured from the allied powers because they produced those A-7V tanks too late to make any significant change to war effort.
The M1907 was actually a real firearm. But it wasn’t the Model 1897, which was a 12 or 16 gauge shotgun. It was a semiautomatic rifle chambered in .351 WSL. It was considered one of the first assault rifles and saw very limited service in WWI. It was also the design precursor to more iconic, well known rifles, like the M1 Carbine.
Also, the tank did not "change the face of the battlefield overnight", the tank actually did not have a very big impact on the battlefield initially. They were slow, mechanically unreliable, barely enough armor to withstand small arms fire and there was simply not enough of them yet. The tank did not have a significant impact on the battlefield until the Battle of Cambrai, when they were available in large enough numbers to really matter. It certainly did not change anything overnight.
My corrections of his mistakes and mission mistakes in general : 1. Great war ended no wars behind. Collapse of Russian and Austro - Hungarian Empires came as aftermath of WW 1. 2. Uniforms soldiers are wearing are incorrect. They are a mix of british / american uniforms from the period. They should be replaced by French brown " colonial " uniforms. 3. Tanks in the whole mission are British. They should be replaced by french Renault FT - 17 light tanks, most of them with machineguns. 4. Soldiers NPCs are british. They should be french. 5. Weapon of the first character is incorrect for French army. It is Benet - Mercie machine rifle ( with too wide rear sights, nonexisting tank ball mount for british Hotchkiss Portative Mk.1, tripod and muzzle brake ), that should be replaced by CSRG Mle. 1915, or Chauchat in french service. Gunner should have assistant who carried ammo. 6. Landscape itself is based on the battle of Passchendaele from 1917. Terrain should be much less devastated and should have more green tones. 7. Barrage baloons in the distance are incorrect. They are british ( originally Italian ) Avorio Parasone barrage ballons. There should be none, as french rarely used them. 8. German soldiers should all wear Stahlhelm M1916 helmet, instead of Pickelhaube and Gaede helmets. Gaede helmet ( or better called skull cap ) was issued 3 years prior to events in the mission, and it was issued in limited numbers to troops stationed in Vosges mountain range. 9. Grenades used by player are unrealistic. They are Mills No.36 bombs, used only by british troops. Reasonable replacement would be french OF.1 grenade, and player should have 1 grenade max, not 3. 10. There are no rockets in this mission, they are german FK 96 n.a. field cannons that were used as anti tank guns and support guns. 11. Player's secondary weapons is incorrect. Instead of american M1911 ( with no striker pin, M1911A1 grips and too wide rear sights ), he should carry either Ruby Mle. 1915 semi automatic pistol or Mle. 1892 revolver. 12. Too many soldiers have LMGs. They should be armed with either Lebel Mle.1886 M93 rifle or Berthier Mle.1907/15 rifle. 13. The gun first soldier picks up is in fact historical. It is not M1897 trench shotgun. French used small numbers of Winchester M1907 rifles that were converted to fully automatic fire mode, with extended magazines and this rifles had bayonet lugs. They were never issued on a large scale as combat rifles, but were issued as backup arms for drivers. 14. Flamethrowers shown are not "Kleif" models, but "Wex" models, that replaced Kleifs in middle to late 1916. They should have much higher range. 15. Machinegun that second soldier has is not German MG 08, but British Vickers M1914 HMG with 1918 slotted jacket and assault tripod mount from after the WW1 ( rear sight is too wide ). They weren't used by french, they instead used Hotchkiss Mle.1914 or St. Etienne Mle.1907 machineguns. 16. Machinegunner should have 2 assistants, one feeding ammunition on the left and one on the right that carries the tripod when machinegun is transported. Both of them are missing. 17. There were no Zeppelins on the open, large battlefields of WW1. Zeppelin shown here is L30, wich was shot down by british in 1916. His weapons are incorrect. Zeppelins had MG 08/15 machineguns with slotted barrels for air cooling, and not the Becker Autokannone, wich they use in game. Becker autocannon was put into use very late in war as anti aircraft gun and only small numbers have been made. 18. The gun machinegunner picks up was not used by French. It is again M1897 trench shotgun. Machinegunners were issued only sidearms, namely the Ruby pistol or M1892 revolver, as their primary weapons were machineguns. 19. Devs aren't trying to dehumanize germans. Flametroopers were wearing BRITISH fireman Model 1878 helmets as extra protection ( inaccurately ) and sometimes later in the war they used M1916 gasmasks instead. It would be much more possible that operators wore gasmasks than british fireman helmets in 1918. 20. Germans actually had their own tanks. Most of them were "beutepanzers" or rebuilt tanks, mostly British Mark 4 tanks, that were equipped with german machineguns, cannons and even Tankgewehr rifles. A7Vs came too late and in too small numbers to change the war, and they weren't as reliable as british tanks ( british tanks were horrible to work with, imagine how it was in even worse A7V with crew of 18 ). 21. British tanks were painted in grey or khaki color, not green. 22. Sights on the british tank are inaccurate. They should be optical, not iron sights. 23. Soldier who pulls wounded comrade to the rear has Hewehr 1898 with custom white wooden parts. He should have SMLE Mk.3*. 24. British tanks in WW1 didn't have coaxial machineguns mounted to the gun's side, but were housed a little far behind the cannon in the back of a sponson in wich the gun was fitted in, and were operated by loader of the cannon, not the gunner. Fire rate is too fast. 25. German field guns are used in the incorrect way. The model shown had 4 crewmembers : aimer, who sat on the let side, gunner, who sat on the right side with his back facing the direction the gun is aimed, loader who ran to shell caison ( wich is missing ) and brang shells in and the commander, who gave orders to fire and where to aim. Gun should also be painted black or dark grey, not dark green. This guns could destroy tank in one hit, as tank's armor was enough to stand rifle round, not a cannon shell. 4 another cannons are missing. 26. Bunkers are straight out copy of Siegfried line. Real bunkers were much more round and had smaller gun ports. 27. When the tank was hit into the roof, shell passed trough it and exploded inside, resulting in detonation of tank's own munition. Explosion should be from inside and thank shouldn't fly into the air, but into the sides. 28. Character puts gas mask too easily. This is incorrect gas mask, the british one from 1940. He should instead have box like M2 gas mask used by french. 29. Weapon used by character is Italian Beretta M1918 submachinegun that saw very limited service in WW1 and ONLY on italian front. Good replacement would be Berthier rifle. 30. Flametrooper's gas tanks would explode from only 1 bullet, not 10. They would not explode or set afire, but they would instead spill the fuel, that could be set afire if fire is nearby.
"It ended nothing" Even though WW1 is called the war to end all wars, more wars followed later in history. I think you misunderstood about that as it wasn't referring to the nations at that time but later wars. Yes, after the war the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and some other nations collapsed to form new nations but those new nations later participated in new wars , hence the first World War never ended future wars.
1:32 it would be cool if you would focus on the main details instead of the smaller ones. Especially when you don't seem to have a clur of what you're talking about. Actually trench warfare highly affected the environment as the artillery fire destroyed the terrain.
No, you seem to be lost. It is a « main detail » This mission is not an accurate depiction of the 2nd Battle of the Marne. The landscape is off, the terrain is off, the weather is off.
@@historylegends You should also concentrate more, on learning about historical firearms. Some people in the firearms community started watching this videos. Just to point out your mistakes.
Not long ago, I found time to turn on the Xbox. I thought of this game. So I bought it because it looked cool and seemed to care about the history it portrayed. It helped me see what's wrong with the game industry. A majority of the gameplay is online. I can't have open battles with just AI. I have to pay for more or play with other people. The game was not made to last.
8:05 most likely something else i replayed that clip did not seem to come from the zeppelin more likely molter (I forgot how it was called, It was a portable rocket launcher that you set on the ground and the rocket goes upwards then onto the ground pls reply if you know) fire, didn't see coming from the zeppelin, more up then downwards action there
You are both correct and incorrect when you criticized the "tanks mostly on our side" part. You are correct that Germany did not have many tanks of their own, only 20 A7V Sturmpanzerwagens, but they DID capture and use a lot of Allied tanks, (just learned they are called Beutepanzers for this retort) mostly the French Renault FTs and the British heavy tanks that you showed on screen. So the game IS correct to say "they were mostly on our side" since the Germans had several hundred Beutepanzers and their 20 A7Vs.
This guy is not a historian. He is a wanna be historian with not enough knowledge to cover this material. He has gotten too many details incorrect and whatever details he has gotten correct, he probably got from the first page of Google.
“Compared to 18 yos today that play video games in their mom’s basement” guy literally shouting at a screen because he saw a german with the wrong helmet. Note that also the majority of views come from people of that age so
The "ended nothing" part was directly referencing that the war was called "The war to end all wars" or "the final war". It ended nothing, as only 2 decades latter ww2 started
Not just WW2, but also the Sino-Japanese war and Spanish Civil War just before it. Not to mention the numerous rebellions against the new Russian communist government, in places like Poland and Finland, both of which led to civil wars within their own countries after they got their independence
@@filmandfirearms There were also conflicts down in Central America, known as the Banana Wars. Though these conflicts had started in the late 1800s, they did continue on well after WWI. These series of conflicts would end in 1934.
5:00. The firearm is not a Winchester 1897, but a Winchester model 1907. The former was a shotgun and the model 1907 was a semi - automatic rifle. Both were present in WW1.
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 Yea it’s weird, a bright yellow beam of death isn’t what artillery should look like, however IDK if the field gun could be used by one person. It was used by 3 to 4 people.
Great Video but a few things: 7:30 It's actually a british Vickers HMG. The Vickers the German MG 08 and the Russian PM 1910 (also called maxim) are are all kinda the same and based of the original Maxim MG. 8:25 Those shots aren't really rockets. You can play with this thing in Multiplayer and it's the 20mm Becker Auto Canon firing there. I don't know why but every weapon in Battlefield 1 has huge tracers so they look a bit off sometimes.
For the purpose of game balancing, the canon rounds have tracers and slow movement time to make time for players to notice. If they didn't add it in, players won't know what hit them.
@@shadowtrooper262 this is still a multiplayer based game, lots of odd historical decisions are made thinking about balance, something that a lot of history nerds cannot understand
@@demoniummacuarum7486 The irony being if it was historically accurate it would be pretty balanced. As just about everyone would be using bolt-action rifles.
For the sentence on the tanks it can also refer to the Beutepanzer, tanks of allied origins (mainly Mark IV), captured and for some recovered and reused. At the end of the war, despite the destroyed machines, there were around 170 tanks, 35 of which were ready for combat. Which is more than the number of tanks produced by the Germans x)
1. The airship didn't have rockets, it was from an autocannon 2. It was a field gun, not a rocket 3. Yes, all tanks were on the British side, but the Germans captured British tanks making tank-on-tank battles more common. 4. The m1907 SL is a semi-auto rifle, you showed a shotgun lol. 5. The flamethrower shown in the video was a "Wex", it is a one-man flamethrower. 6. The field gun was used as an At gun during ww1. It could easily penetrate the armour of any tank in ww1. Nice video, but please carefully research the time period before you come to conclusions on the weapons and battles.
As inaccurate modern games are, this guy is bad when it comes to firearms. The flamethrower he showed was the wrong model, it was a Kleinflammenwerfer (Kleif). Which the "Wex" replaced in beginning in 1916.
Yeah, this idiot did his research on googles first link and judging by the number cuts during the video he was pry googling as he went along but cut those parts out.
at 10:20 he says: "they de-humanize the Germans by having them wear masks" I'm like "dude watch the end of the mission" i feel like he didn't put on the end on purpose. And of course he has a mask on he has a flame thrower like he annoys me so much.
The weapon at the end is the Italian Beretta 1918 SMG. It was a real firearm, and is rivaled with the Bergmann mp18 as the first sub machine gun to see frontline service. The likely hood one would be used by an American on the western front is slim to none
It would’ve made more sense to see a captured MP18 in the hands of an American or French on the western front but even still they were rare given that only a couple thousand were manufactured and fielded by the German Sturmtruppen mainly in 1918 during the German Kaiserschlact Spring Offensive
Half the info was true half was just wrong. The misidentification of weapons and munitions and also completely denying the fact that Germans didn’t just use their 20 or so A7V tanks but rather used captured allied tanks in limited numbers. Yeah I’ve had enough of “history” for today.
I know the French not beign in the battle is a huge mistake, but here's why. This is the First mission of the game and it came with the first launch, but the French faction not. The French were added later in the "they sall not pass" DLC, including the French tanks (Renault and the St. Chamond), weapons, uniforms and multiplayer maps about Verdun (a map of a section of the battle in a hill and Fort Vaux), the Nivelle offensive of 1917 and the 100 days offensives. So the French aren't included in the campaign because they weren't in the game yet, same with the Russians
Yes but it’s a shame that both France and Russia were among the biggest countries of the war with Germany and they didn’t make a campaign about it. Instead we have Anglo Saxon propaganda
No incorrect. The renault tank was all ready in the game day 1 and was even in the alpha and beta of bf1. So there was no excuse for them to not use the frnchy boi 360 degree tonk
(11:14) This statement of tanks being "mostly on our side" likely references German captured tanks (Beutepanzers) rather than the ones manufactured by the Germans themselves.
Or also the other innovations the germans had on the battlefield, like: flamethrowers, first to use gas, better gasmasks, better trenches, zepellins and more. Technically the germans had a slight advantage here
@@javieraravena5345 yeah I agree with you I think the narrator is referencing the beginning part of the sentence where he’s saying there where innovation that change the shape of the battlefield and isn’t only talking about tanks
I will have to correct you on the Tank part. The guy was kind of right, on the thing that the Landship Tanks were on their side most of the time. What he was referring to was in the fact that Germans captured the British tanks and pressed them into service in their own military and they were referred to as Beutepanzers. and 691 of them British tanks with with an estimated total of 350 being reusable. And by the end of the War 170 were still in running condition and 35 were battle ready.
I understand you're not an expert on weapons but here some mistakes about weapons in the video: 5:00 that's in fact a Winchester Model 1907 semi automatic rifle not a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun. 7:27 That's a British Vickers Gun, not a german maxim/MG08 8:17 Idk if I'm correct but those aren't rockets but explosive shells, but why the hell a Zeppelin would carry an automatic cannon for those idk. 17:43 An American soldier, in the French army, using an Italian weapon which by itself was produced in small numbers in 1918, fighting against the germans. That's a real Mr. World-Wide right there
@@historylegends also just so you know the zeplin is firing anti air cannons not rockets it just looks like because of the games balancing needing tracers so you know where the rounds are coming from other then that keep it uo
Some of the other comments have pointed out that the machine gun was a Vickers or that the Germans had Beutepanzers, but I will point out that if you actually listen to the dialogue of the tank part you can clearly hear that the crew has British accents. Not that the British would have served with the HHFs but if you going to do a “historical” breakdown, you have to step up your game.
In ww1 the Germans did have modified field guns that were used in an anti tank role. However it was not the one used in the game. Also the machine gun is not a German maximum gun, but a British vickers machine gun.
Dr. Karlow the Octoling The A1 has a longer Beaver tail, the spring housing (back lower grip) has a larger bulge to it and its checkered, there’s a cut out behind the trigger, and there’s no lanyard loop (standard in WW1 models). Just some of the obvious things I noticed but definitely more.
I am actually quite embarrassed to say I didn't recognize that it was an A1 until I was playing the game a few months ago and looked a bit closer. It is quite an oversight.
This guy (the one that played the game) missed part where you could see some German soldiers just aimlessly wandered, completely lost to the horror of the war, and some that cowered behind the rubble, covering their ears and crying. Those are one of the moments in the game that showed how war affected everyone.
@@sauceman2885 This mission literally ends with a hellfighter and German (showing his face, which he complained about ONLY a flametrooper covering his face) lowering their rifles during a standoff. But for some unknown reason he ends the video before then.
The entire comment section is correcting this guy. To be honest, I think this guy should stray away from WW1, because it’s obvious he knows very little, such as calling the M1907 Self Loading the Model 1987 shotgun, despite it not being a shotgun, and instead being a self loading rifle. He even put a picture of a shotgun, despite seeing that it was obviously not.
17:43 I'm actually shocked I didn't see you complain about how absurd is an Harlem Hellfighter holding a Beretta M1918 (which is an Italian SMG) and not "just any French weapon". The Beretta M1918 was actually used even after WW1. After WW2 the M1918/30 version was also used in Argentina.
@@actdiff Of course, speaking of WW1 Italy was in the Entente side (due to the Treaty of London). What I meant was to say how unlikely was the presence of an Italian weapon was on the Western Front in the possession of the Harlem Hellfighters (who mostly had French weapons and gear)
Those german field guns, could, in theory, pulverise any tank in WWI, mostly because the tanks were not very well amored. A 13.5 mm rifle could punch the frontal plates at close ranges, bundles of granedes tosses at it would be capable to stop it. A 77 mm shell could do way worse, with a direct hit. In fact, one early WWII American tank destroyers was a French 75 mm field guns from that same era, mounted on half-tracks.
Dude the Germans made a tank killer that was a field gun after there defeat at the battle of the somme against the new Mark 1 tanks so yes they used field guns like that. Also I don't think the trees will be having any leaves if there burnt to a crisp.
The "Winchester 1907 SL Factory" is not as you say a Winchester 1897 (pump action shotgun) but the Winchester Model 1907 semi-automatic rifle. It was a commercial weapon (mostly for smaller game hunting) that was used in very limited numbers in WW1 by the French Air force as a backup weapon for aircraft observers and balloon crews.
@@historylegends And that weapon in the end that you thought may have been a prototype, you weren't far off. It's an Italian Beretta Model 1918 submachine gun that started production right at the end of the war and most likely didn't see any front line service. Certainly not with any troops outside Italy like in this game 😅
Regardless of the few historical inaccuracies in the game, bf1 is probably by far the best modern world war game ever made. I've played hundreds of hours in the game and I always feel immersed in the large scale battles, especially this certain large battle mode (I think it's called operations) where you play either as defender or attacker and try to hold or attack 3 objectives againts 20 enemy waves (you get 20 waves of reinforcements too and they reset back to 20 every time an objective is taken if I remember correctly, so a single battle would take probably an hour minimum). I've never felt fully immersed in any multiplayer world war FPS game except this one. I wish they had a trench warfare game mode, but still it's a great game
For being a professional historian you still get mad at fake "inaccuracies", half of the things you called out where wrong facts, like the maxim machine gun, the winchester being a 1907 present at ww1, Germany capturing tanks and using them against the British, the zeppelin was not using rockets but an auto cannon that was made to be slow for balancing and other nerdy shit
You gotta keep in mind that this game's war stories are created from the multiplayer content. That's why things like the anti tank cannon can be operated by one single person. And the lack of french and russian soldiers is due to them being added post-launch for the multiplayer
5:16, that is the Winchester model 1907. It was a ten round semi-auto rifle. It was an attempt to make a semi-auto rifle by Winchester and was presented to the American Military. It was accepted but was limited use until the French purchased around 7.000 rifles during the First World War. The French modified these rifles with bigger magazines and were shipped to the front by late 1917. It acted as a squad support weapon for NCO's and higher ranking officers.
The campaign is pretty much nonexistent in this game, so most of the focus is on multiplayer, and dice definitely didn’t erase the French there. They are very heavily featured as well as the Russians, Anzacs, AND Italians and ottomans which are pretty much completely forgotten in mainstream media portrayals of ww1. They also feature the Royal Marines and their obscure battles against the Germans in the North Sea. This game also goes out of its way to feature the Soviets with the Russian civil war, so the way you describe this game as “going out of its way to erase the main belligerents of ww1” is far from accurate
13:55 Forgotten you say? Then the They Shall Not Pass and In The Name of The Tsar is nothing to you or you didn't check it. It's 2021, BF1 has all its DLC out already so the Russian, French existed. BF1 has 2 DLC dedicated to it just not the start. This were the first and an introduction to BF1 so it was in the game since launch but the French does not existed yet so they use the British as a replacement, the Renault FT does exist in game but because the British were the replacement so it has to stay with their choices.
I think this is the best intromission in fps games I have played. The sentence "You're not expected to survive" and jumping straight into action and dying just to rejoin the fight as another soldier was just brilliant.
Big L to Woodrow Wilson and the US soldiers who didnt respect the black American soldiers. Just hearing you talk about that issue gave me goosebumps when you mentioned that the French were happy to fight alongside them.
He's a good youtuber, and i like his content. But he seems to know very little about WW1... at least BF1, because this isn't the campaign, this is the prologue. This isn't the Harlem Hellfighter MISSION, this is an introduction to the game! It's supposed to showcase what you can do in the rest of the game. Therefore the Tank, the gas mask and so on.
Lol, dude does know those are cannon ball fire and not a rocket launcher right? Like he thinks this is a CoD game, but really it's way better than he knows, probably just confused
Maybe the "Amateur Historian" from the video description should have been in the title aswell. Man I was really expecting some well researched facts (don't worry a some of them are, but the ones that aren't are very frustrating) and him even opening his eyes in some moments and not calling every tracer amunition or incindiary a fcking rocket . Seems like he really want's to prove the game wrong, taking things out of context and even saying wrong information to prove his point. The other comments also reflect that. Nothing against him personally but maybe when you do a historical breakdown of something you should prepare, research specifics you want to point out and watch your material beforehand to not confuse context of some things said points you feel like are incorrect
I think the gun he was using at the end was an Italian made gun? But I’m not sure and I think the tank crew were British because the had strong British accent
Apparently first of all this guy doesn't seem to understand that a video game probably can't be historically accurate because then it would be boring the whole point of a video game is to be fun so they have to put in other things that weren't there. Not to mention he almost got everything wrong
I feel like it saying ended nothing is saying that it never accomplished what it was meant to achieve and ultimately just led to decades more of pain and suffering
I think you should play the games before reacting to them Edit: also you should remember it’s a game and do a little bit more research about the era I mean I’m not saying you’re bad it’s just not good at this era
Hey HistoryLegends, I'm actually glad you decided to touch up on this subject because I few weeks ago I was watching a video on the Harlem Hellfighters and alot of the things you said in this video were 100% accurate as always. 👍🏾 Also I have to ask, Are you a History major, History teacher or a Historian? 🙂
I feel like what the fictional character meant by saying “the tanks were mostly on out side” was that he was referring that many tanks were captured from the British and also that no weapon can be on a persons side
The German flame crews actually had been firefighters and wore Gasmasks because of the fumes from the flamethrowers so they actually got that part right for once
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Can you do part 2 of Battlefield 1 please can you react movie mosul that movie is on Netflix is based on a true story it was Isis versus Iraqi Army and the allies from the city named Mosel can you react the movie 2019 Midway please I love your videos I hope you have a great day please reply if you have a chance I love history history is cool I hope you have a awesome day
Can we play cod2 big red one using xlink Kai sometime
It's It's that historical based games are destroyed by these people who want to shove sjw and wokeness garbage so they don't have to "fear" cancel culture, it's just pathetic and these people are the kind that feed into the ignorance these people have
The French are in the Game, as well as the Russians... There are also French tanks. The 77mm Canon was reportedly used in an antitank role against Mark V tanks. This is just the 1st mission, an introduction, there are more in Italy, in Arabia, In Gallipoli and even over London.
I have played this game and there was a field gun on the other side of the map in the first part👍 hence they were no rockets, no hate
The zeppelin wasn't firing rockets, those were bullets from an autocannon, there's a couple of them mounted on those in the game, the rest is all MGs. Btw I'd like to see you react to the British tank mission.
Or the German Tiger in ww2
To be fair on his side, the game really over uses tracers. I understand why he made that mistake.
@@gujwdhufjijjpo9740 Yeah. For realism it´s bad but for gameplay it´s important to see where the enemy is firing from
@@DangeHD it also just looks cool
From maxim pom pom ?
The entire comment section is correcting this guy. To be honest, I think this guy should stray away from WW1, because it’s obvious he knows very little, such as calling the M1907 Self Loading the Model 1987 shotgun, despite it not being a shotgun, and instead being a self loading rifle. He even put a picture of a shotgun, despite seeing that it was obviously not.
Yeah, he is great when it comes to WW2, but WW1 is clearly not his field of expertise. He didn't even know field guns were actually used against tanks, and didn't even notice many inaccuracies while concentrating on some that were really nitpicking.
Not that I don’t agree with you but also he has admitted in other videos that he really is quite a gun dummy
Yeah he is also just an amateur historian i:e he has no actual historical education at uni level. Since historian is not a protected title, literally anyone can call themselves a historian.
Even my teenager son knows more history than this guy.
Before doing a video, he should at least read a little and not posting nonsense.
it would help if he actually played the game
Let me start this out that saying that I love this video, I love the creator, and I love the series. I am a bit of WWI enthusiast. I have dedicated many years of my life to researching the conflict and have even had a hobby of collecting relics from the fighting. I thought I would take the time with this comment and help further educate the audience, as well as the content creator, on some aspects of the war. You shared many good points, though I can't help but correct you with some. Any inaccuracy he mentioned that I did not put on this list was accurate and I left untouched. I am still learning myself, this all comes from information I have gathered over years of research, if I got anything wrong, please let me know, I am very interested in further discussing this topic.
1. (1:30) The war story "Storm of Steel", from my research, was not explicitly given a battle or time period other than "late 1918". Battlefield 1 has a separate map placed in the Second Battle of the Marne that is much more accurate, which leads me to believe that this is implied to be a different sector and battle entirely.
2. (3:01) You are absolutely right that the Harlem Hellfighters were issued standard French gear, meaning in most situation the Benet-Mercie would not have been issued to them, it is also important to note that by this time in the war, most armies were struggling to scrape together resources, meaning it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility for the French to issue a couple old Hotchkisses they had lying around.
3. (3:42) The "rocket" is a shell being fired from a field gun; Battlefield has an odd obsession with insane bullet tracers which gave it that impression.
4. (3:55) I tried doing some research of the claim that Germany during WWI would use machine guns in an assault but couldn't explicitly find anything to back that claim. I will say, however, that that was a very WWII strategy of the Germans. Assuming that this is a stormtrooper battalion (despite their appearance claiming otherwise), from the flamethrower and grenadiers, they would 100% not have a machine gun assisting in their charge. Machine guns were insanely cumbersome during the first world war, they couldn't easily be disassembled and relocated as they were in future conflicts. Considering this is late war, trenches are most likely obsolete, as seen with the more mobile warfare featured in this mission, meaning this isn't a standard over the top assault, but regardless, the same concepts are there, another reason why the Germans wouldn't be hauling a two-hundred-pound machine gun with them.
5. (4:58) Your point still stands that the Harlem Hellfighters wouldn't have had it issued to them, but I just wanted to point out that you super fucked up the classification of that weapon, to a degree which is a bit wild. That is not a Winchester 1897, it is Winchester 1907, as the name literally claims. The two guns don't look anywhere near similar, and you can get this info from simply looking up m1907 sl into the google search engine. Regardless your point still stands, I just thought I'd point that out.
6. (6:10) You're right that most flametroopers had a squad of a couple men assisting them, but there were in fact mobile models that saw combat and were especially common in the late war scene being pictured in this war story.
7. (7:22) That is 100% not a Maxim, that is the biggest Vickers I have seen in my entire life. Regardless, would not have been available to the Harlem Hellfighters either way.
8. (7:37) Good point with the trenches, though as I stated earlier. In the late stages of the war, trenches were practically entirely phased out in many theaters as the war became more mobile again following the spring offensive. Considering this is an active frontline, what was once most likely an HQ trench (explaining why it is wider) a couple hundred meters behind the frontline trenches has most likely been abandoned and all of the guns, ammunition, etc. relocated or trashed.
9. (8:15) Again, those aren't rockets coming from the Zeppelin, they are Autocannons, which in their own right are slightly unrealistic to be on a zeppelin, as they were commonly manned as anti-aircraft guns on the ground.
10. (11:17) The fact that there was even one German tank meaning saying they were only on our side is an inaccurate claim, that's not even a history thing that's just grammar. Germans didn't produce many of their own tanks, but they did commonly use captured allied tanks, still to no degree that rivaled Allied forces, but much more than twenty.
11. (11:53) Those are British soldiers, not American, you can tell by uniform, tanks, accent, weaponry, etc. I know you aren't English, so you don't really associate or pick up on foreign English accents, but the commander for that tank is the most British sounding Brit I have heard in my entire life. Another blatant error that I don't know how you made. French and British troops did, in fact, often fight in the same sectors.
12. (13:22) Again, they are BRITISH troops, they are using a BRITISH tank, because they are BRITISH. One of my biggest pet peeves for people doing sin tallies for Storm of Steel is everyone seems to forget you are hopping between soldiers, you really only play as a Harlem Hellfighters with the first and last guy.
13. (14:33) Tanks were beyond slow on rough terrain, they most likely had to get to the front quickly, so used the road to hit their maximum speed (which you neglect to mention is way too fast for a tank of the time, especially a mark four).
14. (15:34) Actually entirely incorrect, the most blatantly false statement of this entire video. WWI tanks were beyond unarmored, they were really only effective against deflecting bullets, a frag grenade, in the right spot, could fuck it up. Field canons were often used as primitive Pak guns because of how effective they were against tanks. One hit could effectively put a tank out of commission.
15. (17:43) Again, those are British Troops fighting alongside Harlem Hellfighters, how about instead of forgetting that English people exist you realize that the character you are playing as is using an Italian submachine gun that most definitely never saw combat on the Western Front.
16. (18:10) I am not going to restate my point, its late war, trenches were becoming less common, I think the implications here specifically is that they are fighting in no man's land. Also, not that I expect you to know this, as you most likely haven't played the game, but right over that small hill is a row of trenches.
I’d be curious to know, as you mentioned “Biggest pet peeve with storm of steel reviews”. Did your love and interest for WW1 history STEM from Battlefield 1?
@@OBSDCC7 Thank you for reading my comment, I know it was long winded. My interest in the topic has roots in my childhood fixation on the Peanuts comics but besides that, yeah, I would say that Battlefield One really kicked off my overall interest and hyper fixation on the period. Its a great game, great experience, and left a mark on me in many ways.
Wow, wonderful comment! Thank you for all the information :) did you read "Infanterie greift an" by Erwin Rommel? Because i remember him using heavy MG Platoons as support in assaults to suppress enemy positions. The MGs did'nt follow the Charge but were placed in favorable positions prior to the attack.
Mate you know everything, it’s nice to see people that interested in such topics today, chapeau
Another point is that him talking about shotguns, yes the Germans protested them but that was basically done as a deflection for them. The Americans also didn’t like using shotguns as they used paper ammo at the time that would often swell up and jam the shotgun, especially if the ammo wasn’t stored properly, making them ineffective after a few shots. It wasn’t until ww2 when we switched the ammo material to wax in ww2 that we remedied this issue.
Battlefield 1 developers: we sacrificed historical accuracy for the game to feel cool.
Also Battlefield 1 developers:*are 100 time more accurate than call of duty developers*.
And this idiots review of the game.
True
Wasn't the "it ended nothing" line referring to people fighting in wars over anything?
The "It ended nothing" line refers to how only a decade later Europe fought a war that was twice as deadly and caused a hundred times more destruction to Europe with the Treaty of Versaille's being one of the main things that Hitler used to gain power to jump start this war.
@@irkkunen4933
If we want to be pedantic about it, it wasn't even a full year before another war broke out in Europe (polish-soviet war).
I bet that when he said "mostly on our side" he meant that the tanks that Germans captured from the allied powers because they produced those A-7V tanks too late to make any significant change to war effort.
That and the Germans were completely against using tanks.
The M1907 was actually a real firearm. But it wasn’t the Model 1897, which was a 12 or 16 gauge shotgun. It was a semiautomatic rifle chambered in .351 WSL. It was considered one of the first assault rifles and saw very limited service in WWI. It was also the design precursor to more iconic, well known rifles, like the M1 Carbine.
Beat me to it
The rockets at the beginning were actually field gun shells
13:30 the Renault is one of the main tanks in multilayer. It was released with the French DLC. There was a Russian DLC too.
Also, the tank did not "change the face of the battlefield overnight", the tank actually did not have a very big impact on the battlefield initially. They were slow, mechanically unreliable, barely enough armor to withstand small arms fire and there was simply not enough of them yet.
The tank did not have a significant impact on the battlefield until the Battle of Cambrai, when they were available in large enough numbers to really matter. It certainly did not change anything overnight.
My corrections of his mistakes and mission mistakes in general :
1. Great war ended no wars behind. Collapse of Russian and Austro - Hungarian Empires came as aftermath of WW 1.
2. Uniforms soldiers are wearing are incorrect. They are a mix of british / american uniforms from the period. They should be replaced by French brown " colonial " uniforms.
3. Tanks in the whole mission are British. They should be replaced by french Renault FT - 17 light tanks, most of them with machineguns.
4. Soldiers NPCs are british. They should be french.
5. Weapon of the first character is incorrect for French army. It is Benet - Mercie machine rifle ( with too wide rear sights, nonexisting tank ball mount for british Hotchkiss Portative Mk.1, tripod and muzzle brake ), that should be replaced by CSRG Mle. 1915, or Chauchat in french service. Gunner should have assistant who carried ammo.
6. Landscape itself is based on the battle of Passchendaele from 1917. Terrain should be much less devastated and should have more green tones.
7. Barrage baloons in the distance are incorrect. They are british ( originally Italian ) Avorio Parasone barrage ballons. There should be none, as french rarely used them.
8. German soldiers should all wear Stahlhelm M1916 helmet, instead of Pickelhaube and Gaede helmets. Gaede helmet ( or better called skull cap ) was issued 3 years prior to events in the mission, and it was issued in limited numbers to troops stationed in Vosges mountain range.
9. Grenades used by player are unrealistic. They are Mills No.36 bombs, used only by british troops. Reasonable replacement would be french OF.1 grenade, and player should have 1 grenade max, not 3.
10. There are no rockets in this mission, they are german FK 96 n.a. field cannons that were used as anti tank guns and support guns.
11. Player's secondary weapons is incorrect. Instead of american M1911 ( with no striker pin, M1911A1 grips and too wide rear sights ), he should carry either Ruby Mle. 1915 semi automatic pistol or Mle. 1892 revolver.
12. Too many soldiers have LMGs. They should be armed with either Lebel Mle.1886 M93 rifle or Berthier Mle.1907/15 rifle.
13. The gun first soldier picks up is in fact historical. It is not M1897 trench shotgun. French used small numbers of Winchester M1907 rifles that were converted to fully automatic fire mode, with extended magazines and this rifles had bayonet lugs. They were never issued on a large scale as combat rifles, but were issued as backup arms for drivers.
14. Flamethrowers shown are not "Kleif" models, but "Wex" models, that replaced Kleifs in middle to late 1916. They should have much higher range.
15. Machinegun that second soldier has is not German MG 08, but British Vickers M1914 HMG with 1918 slotted jacket and assault tripod mount from after the WW1 ( rear sight is too wide ). They weren't used by french, they instead used Hotchkiss Mle.1914 or St. Etienne Mle.1907 machineguns.
16. Machinegunner should have 2 assistants, one feeding ammunition on the left and one on the right that carries the tripod when machinegun is transported. Both of them are missing.
17. There were no Zeppelins on the open, large battlefields of WW1. Zeppelin shown here is L30, wich was shot down by british in 1916. His weapons are incorrect. Zeppelins had MG 08/15 machineguns with slotted barrels for air cooling, and not the Becker Autokannone, wich they use in game. Becker autocannon was put into use very late in war as anti aircraft gun and only small numbers have been made.
18. The gun machinegunner picks up was not used by French. It is again M1897 trench shotgun. Machinegunners were issued only sidearms, namely the Ruby pistol or M1892 revolver, as their primary weapons were machineguns.
19. Devs aren't trying to dehumanize germans. Flametroopers were wearing BRITISH fireman Model 1878 helmets as extra protection ( inaccurately ) and sometimes later in the war they used M1916 gasmasks instead. It would be much more possible that operators wore gasmasks than british fireman helmets in 1918.
20. Germans actually had their own tanks. Most of them were "beutepanzers" or rebuilt tanks, mostly British Mark 4 tanks, that were equipped with german machineguns, cannons and even Tankgewehr rifles. A7Vs came too late and in too small numbers to change the war, and they weren't as reliable as british tanks ( british tanks were horrible to work with, imagine how it was in even worse A7V with crew of 18 ).
21. British tanks were painted in grey or khaki color, not green.
22. Sights on the british tank are inaccurate. They should be optical, not iron sights.
23. Soldier who pulls wounded comrade to the rear has Hewehr 1898 with custom white wooden parts. He should have SMLE Mk.3*.
24. British tanks in WW1 didn't have coaxial machineguns mounted to the gun's side, but were housed a little far behind the cannon in the back of a sponson in wich the gun was fitted in, and were operated by loader of the cannon, not the gunner. Fire rate is too fast.
25. German field guns are used in the incorrect way. The model shown had 4 crewmembers : aimer, who sat on the let side, gunner, who sat on the right side with his back facing the direction the gun is aimed, loader who ran to shell caison ( wich is missing ) and brang shells in and the commander, who gave orders to fire and where to aim. Gun should also be painted black or dark grey, not dark green. This guns could destroy tank in one hit, as tank's armor was enough to stand rifle round, not a cannon shell. 4 another cannons are missing.
26. Bunkers are straight out copy of Siegfried line. Real bunkers were much more round and had smaller gun ports.
27. When the tank was hit into the roof, shell passed trough it and exploded inside, resulting in detonation of tank's own munition. Explosion should be from inside and thank shouldn't fly into the air, but into the sides.
28. Character puts gas mask too easily. This is incorrect gas mask, the british one from 1940. He should instead have box like M2 gas mask used by french.
29. Weapon used by character is Italian Beretta M1918 submachinegun that saw very limited service in WW1 and ONLY on italian front. Good replacement would be Berthier rifle.
30. Flametrooper's gas tanks would explode from only 1 bullet, not 10. They would not explode or set afire, but they would instead spill the fuel, that could be set afire if fire is nearby.
«Most tanks would break on their own»
Artillery: am i a joke to you?
The rocket from the zeppelin are anti air guns
1907SL was a Winchester self loading rifle, NOT a shotgun. Winchester 1897 riot shotgun in WW1 was a solid frame 12ga shotgun.
The "rockets" are actually field gun shells and the 20mm Becker cannon rounds on the L30.
"It ended nothing"
Even though WW1 is called the war to end all wars, more wars followed later in history. I think you misunderstood about that as it wasn't referring to the nations at that time but later wars.
Yes, after the war the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and some other nations collapsed to form new nations but those new nations later participated in new wars , hence the first World War never ended future wars.
0:14 no these are glowing hot bullets
The shot at the start that looks like a rpg is a cannon I think . Maybe a field gun .
1:32 it would be cool if you would focus on the main details instead of the smaller ones. Especially when you don't seem to have a clur of what you're talking about. Actually trench warfare highly affected the environment as the artillery fire destroyed the terrain.
No, you seem to be lost. It is a « main detail » This mission is not an accurate depiction of the 2nd Battle of the Marne. The landscape is off, the terrain is off, the weather is off.
@@historylegends You should also concentrate more, on learning about historical firearms. Some people in the firearms community started watching this videos. Just to point out your mistakes.
@@historylegends Lol there are so many things that you say are wrong but are right. have you even read all the comments before this one? Lol.
2:28 a few German Soldiers used them in 1918
Not long ago, I found time to turn on the Xbox. I thought of this game. So I bought it because it looked cool and seemed to care about the history it portrayed. It helped me see what's wrong with the game industry. A majority of the gameplay is online. I can't have open battles with just AI. I have to pay for more or play with other people. The game was not made to last.
8:05 most likely something else i replayed that clip did not seem to come from the zeppelin more likely molter (I forgot how it was called, It was a portable rocket launcher that you set on the ground and the rocket goes upwards then onto the ground pls reply if you know) fire, didn't see coming from the zeppelin, more up then downwards action there
He is like a history version of Gordon Ramsey but I still like his content
1:04 the ottoman empire.
Wait does this guy know his weapons ? Because he said the model 8 was a Winchester???
You are both correct and incorrect when you criticized the "tanks mostly on our side" part. You are correct that Germany did not have many tanks of their own, only 20 A7V Sturmpanzerwagens, but they DID capture and use a lot of Allied tanks, (just learned they are called Beutepanzers for this retort) mostly the French Renault FTs and the British heavy tanks that you showed on screen. So the game IS correct to say "they were mostly on our side" since the Germans had several hundred Beutepanzers and their 20 A7Vs.
This guy is not a historian. He is a wanna be historian with not enough knowledge to cover this material. He has gotten too many details incorrect and whatever details he has gotten correct, he probably got from the first page of Google.
“Compared to 18 yos today that play video games in their mom’s basement” guy literally shouting at a screen because he saw a german with the wrong helmet. Note that also the majority of views come from people of that age so
The zeppelin was firing flack rounds at the defense which I know dos not make sense .
ww1 zeppelin bomber where able to carry 1600kg /1.6 tone of bomb not 20+ ton
I had a dream of you doing this video after a long day of playing bf1 😂😂
0:56 By "It ended nothing" they mean, it didn't end the wars in europe
The "ended nothing" part was directly referencing that the war was called "The war to end all wars" or "the final war". It ended nothing, as only 2 decades latter ww2 started
Yeah strange that he didn't get that.
@@toontownlegomaster He also didn't see the line directly right after it that stated "Yet is changed everything." Like wtf.
Because if the french
Not just WW2, but also the Sino-Japanese war and Spanish Civil War just before it. Not to mention the numerous rebellions against the new Russian communist government, in places like Poland and Finland, both of which led to civil wars within their own countries after they got their independence
@@filmandfirearms There were also conflicts down in Central America, known as the Banana Wars. Though these conflicts had started in the late 1800s, they did continue on well after WWI. These series of conflicts would end in 1934.
5:00. The firearm is not a Winchester 1897, but a Winchester model 1907. The former was a shotgun and the model 1907 was a semi - automatic rifle. Both were present in WW1.
Exactly, i was gonna Say It but i see you did It first, good job
I noticed it too yeah
1987? You mean 1897
@@deathmachineyt3254 You're right, thanks for pointing that out.
@@kevinfinn6598 1997
The "rockets" are actually field guns and if I remember right there were flamethrowers commanded by only 1 person too
correct. Problem with BF since BC2 is that all live ammo are tracers
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 yes but that has something to do with balancing
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 provably just becouse to make the game easier. It would not be enjoyable if you couldnt see were the shots came from
@@thefiringsquadtfs6392 Yea it’s weird, a bright yellow beam of death isn’t what artillery should look like, however IDK if the field gun could be used by one person. It was used by 3 to 4 people.
@@Der-Stahlhelm I agree. It's also cool, so it adds to its overall art style. What I'm saying is it's a problem on realism
The "rockets" at the start are not rockets. Its the fieldgun shells that look like rockets in the game
This guy (the creator) ,🗿 thinking he is the only right 🗿👍🗑️
@@bright_side1686 what?
It functioning like a rocket though.
@@weaner556 it does not function like a rocket
Great Video but a few things:
7:30 It's actually a british Vickers HMG. The Vickers the German MG 08 and the Russian PM 1910 (also called maxim) are are all kinda the same and based of the original Maxim MG.
8:25 Those shots aren't really rockets. You can play with this thing in Multiplayer and it's the 20mm Becker Auto Canon firing there. I don't know why but every weapon in Battlefield 1 has huge tracers so they look a bit off sometimes.
I was about to coment that
For the purpose of game balancing, the canon rounds have tracers and slow movement time to make time for players to notice. If they didn't add it in, players won't know what hit them.
@@shadowtrooper262 this is still a multiplayer based game, lots of odd historical decisions are made thinking about balance, something that a lot of history nerds cannot understand
@@demoniummacuarum7486 The irony being if it was historically accurate it would be pretty balanced. As just about everyone would be using bolt-action rifles.
@@KSmithwick1989 expt the field gun wont do shit to tanks, so tanks whould be pretty OP
For the sentence on the tanks it can also refer to the Beutepanzer, tanks of allied origins (mainly Mark IV), captured and for some recovered and reused. At the end of the war, despite the destroyed machines, there were around 170 tanks, 35 of which were ready for combat. Which is more than the number of tanks produced by the Germans x)
And only one German toaster tank remains today I believe, in a museum
@@thechroniclegamer4285 Yes in Australia. The Aussis brought it back home when they captured it in WW1
1. The airship didn't have rockets, it was from an autocannon 2. It was a field gun, not a rocket 3. Yes, all tanks were on the British side, but the Germans captured British tanks making tank-on-tank battles more common. 4. The m1907 SL is a semi-auto rifle, you showed a shotgun lol. 5.
The flamethrower shown in the video was a "Wex", it is a one-man flamethrower. 6. The field gun was used as an At gun during ww1. It could easily penetrate the armour of any tank in ww1. Nice video, but please carefully research the time period before you come to conclusions on the weapons and battles.
As inaccurate modern games are, this guy is bad when it comes to firearms. The flamethrower he showed was the wrong model, it was a Kleinflammenwerfer (Kleif). Which the "Wex" replaced in beginning in 1916.
Yeah, this idiot did his research on googles first link and judging by the number cuts during the video he was pry googling as he went along but cut those parts out.
at 10:20 he says: "they de-humanize the Germans by having them wear masks" I'm like "dude watch the end of the mission" i feel like he didn't put on the end on purpose. And of course he has a mask on he has a flame thrower like he annoys me so much.
@@lucasmahoney2926 it’s like he expects that people want to burn their face
I hate when people try to do live react to a video and don’t do research
The weapon at the end is the Italian Beretta 1918 SMG. It was a real firearm, and is rivaled with the Bergmann mp18 as the first sub machine gun to see frontline service. The likely hood one would be used by an American on the western front is slim to none
It would’ve made more sense to see a captured MP18 in the hands of an American or French on the western front but even still they were rare given that only a couple thousand were manufactured and fielded by the German Sturmtruppen mainly in 1918 during the German Kaiserschlact Spring Offensive
In the game it's called automatico I think
@Plasticidedo you know if it was ever used as an infantry weapon?
Half the info was true half was just wrong. The misidentification of weapons and munitions and also completely denying the fact that Germans didn’t just use their 20 or so A7V tanks but rather used captured allied tanks in limited numbers. Yeah I’ve had enough of “history” for today.
exactly who let this guy talk about ww1
I know the French not beign in the battle is a huge mistake, but here's why.
This is the First mission of the game and it came with the first launch, but the French faction not.
The French were added later in the "they sall not pass" DLC, including the French tanks (Renault and the St. Chamond), weapons, uniforms and multiplayer maps about Verdun (a map of a section of the battle in a hill and Fort Vaux), the Nivelle offensive of 1917 and the 100 days offensives.
So the French aren't included in the campaign because they weren't in the game yet, same with the Russians
Such a shame too, because they had unbelievable campaigns during the war.
Yes but it’s a shame that both France and Russia were among the biggest countries of the war with Germany and they didn’t make a campaign about it. Instead we have Anglo Saxon propaganda
No incorrect. The renault tank was all ready in the game day 1 and was even in the alpha and beta of bf1. So there was no excuse for them to not use the frnchy boi 360 degree tonk
All I gotta do is scroll for a little bit on a video about WW1/WW2
And I am guaranteed to find someone else with a Girls und Panzer PFP
(11:14) This statement of tanks being "mostly on our side" likely references German captured tanks (Beutepanzers) rather than the ones manufactured by the Germans themselves.
Like the Germans stealing and re-using British tanks in that one war story
@@silver3331 exactly, the Beutepanzers
Or also the other innovations the germans had on the battlefield, like: flamethrowers, first to use gas, better gasmasks, better trenches, zepellins and more. Technically the germans had a slight advantage here
@@javieraravena5345 yeah I agree with you I think the narrator is referencing the beginning part of the sentence where he’s saying there where innovation that change the shape of the battlefield and isn’t only talking about tanks
plus if there are 40 apples you get 39 and someone else gets 1 you have most of the apples not all
You are spreading a lot of false information here. You should read some books like "all quite on the western front"
I will have to correct you on the Tank part.
The guy was kind of right, on the thing that the Landship Tanks were on their side most of the time.
What he was referring to was in the fact that Germans captured the British tanks and pressed them into service in their own military and they were referred to as Beutepanzers.
and 691 of them British tanks with with an estimated total of 350 being reusable.
And by the end of the War 170 were still in running condition and 35 were battle ready.
I understand you're not an expert on weapons but here some mistakes about weapons in the video:
5:00 that's in fact a Winchester Model 1907 semi automatic rifle not a Winchester Model 1897 shotgun.
7:27 That's a British Vickers Gun, not a german maxim/MG08
8:17 Idk if I'm correct but those aren't rockets but explosive shells, but why the hell a Zeppelin would carry an automatic cannon for those idk.
17:43 An American soldier, in the French army, using an Italian weapon which by itself was produced in small numbers in 1918, fighting against the germans. That's a real Mr. World-Wide right there
Thank you for the precision 🙏
Mr. World Wide? Mr. 505?
@@historylegends also just so you know the zeplin is firing anti air cannons not rockets it just looks like because of the games balancing needing tracers so you know where the rounds are coming from other then that keep it uo
Some of the other comments have pointed out that the machine gun was a Vickers or that the Germans had Beutepanzers, but I will point out that if you actually listen to the dialogue of the tank part you can clearly hear that the crew has British accents. Not that the British would have served with the HHFs but if you going to do a “historical” breakdown, you have to step up your game.
He clearly stated that it's a British tank, and referred to his earlier point about black soldiers not allowed to fight.
@@sebastiantiainen2749
They weren’t allowed to fight with Americans, not British. So the that part is in the green.
Ooh boy this guy is lacking in information, sadly
In ww1 the Germans did have modified field guns that were used in an anti tank role. However it was not the one used in the game. Also the machine gun is not a German maximum gun, but a British vickers machine gun.
both is kinda the same gun based on maxim design
@@farhanrahmaddani3218
ONE HAD A GOLDEN BRASS BAREL, HOW COULD YOU MESS UP THE COMPARISON
@@James2005. well in this game there's lot of gold skin can't really differentiate whether it's historical or skin
I want to point out the M1911 used is the game is actually the M1911A1 which wasn’t introduced until 1924.
They kinda look the same to me. Can you tell me the differences? I would be enlightened
Dr. Karlow the Octoling The A1 has a longer Beaver tail, the spring housing (back lower grip) has a larger bulge to it and its checkered, there’s a cut out behind the trigger, and there’s no lanyard loop (standard in WW1 models). Just some of the obvious things I noticed but definitely more.
@@griz312 Ah I see. Now that It think about it the beaver tail and lanyard loop should of been red flags.
I am actually quite embarrassed to say I didn't recognize that it was an A1 until I was playing the game a few months ago and looked a bit closer. It is quite an oversight.
This guy is more inaccurate than the game
This guy (the one that played the game) missed part where you could see some German soldiers just aimlessly wandered, completely lost to the horror of the war, and some that cowered behind the rubble, covering their ears and crying. Those are one of the moments in the game that showed how war affected everyone.
I really wish he saw that as he complained how it dehumanized the Germans
@@sauceman2885 This mission literally ends with a hellfighter and German (showing his face, which he complained about ONLY a flametrooper covering his face) lowering their rifles during a standoff. But for some unknown reason he ends the video before then.
The entire comment section is correcting this guy. To be honest, I think this guy should stray away from WW1, because it’s obvious he knows very little, such as calling the M1907 Self Loading the Model 1987 shotgun, despite it not being a shotgun, and instead being a self loading rifle. He even put a picture of a shotgun, despite seeing that it was obviously not.
17:43
I'm actually shocked I didn't see you complain about how absurd is an Harlem Hellfighter holding a Beretta M1918 (which is an Italian SMG) and not "just any French weapon".
The Beretta M1918 was actually used even after WW1.
After WW2 the M1918/30 version was also used in Argentina.
Good point
It would of been better if he had a Springfield.
Italian was in entete side
@@actdiff Of course, speaking of WW1 Italy was in the Entente side (due to the Treaty of London).
What I meant was to say how unlikely was the presence of an Italian weapon was on the Western Front in the possession of the Harlem Hellfighters (who mostly had French weapons and gear)
Those german field guns, could, in theory, pulverise any tank in WWI, mostly because the tanks were not very well amored.
A 13.5 mm rifle could punch the frontal plates at close ranges, bundles of granedes tosses at it would be capable to stop it.
A 77 mm shell could do way worse, with a direct hit.
In fact, one early WWII American tank destroyers was a French 75 mm field guns from that same era, mounted on half-tracks.
Dude the Germans made a tank killer that was a field gun after there defeat at the battle of the somme against the new Mark 1 tanks so yes they used field guns like that. Also I don't think the trees will be having any leaves if there burnt to a crisp.
The "Winchester 1907 SL Factory" is not as you say a Winchester 1897 (pump action shotgun) but the Winchester Model 1907 semi-automatic rifle. It was a commercial weapon (mostly for smaller game hunting) that was used in very limited numbers in WW1 by the French Air force as a backup weapon for aircraft observers and balloon crews.
Oh really? my bad, I'm slowly getting better with weapons ;)
@@historylegends No worries man, you can't know everything. Keep up the good work
@@historylegends And that weapon in the end that you thought may have been a prototype, you weren't far off. It's an Italian Beretta Model 1918 submachine gun that started production right at the end of the war and most likely didn't see any front line service. Certainly not with any troops outside Italy like in this game 😅
Also, the mounted MG is not the Maxim MG08, but a british Vickers
Regardless of the few historical inaccuracies in the game, bf1 is probably by far the best modern world war game ever made. I've played hundreds of hours in the game and I always feel immersed in the large scale battles, especially this certain large battle mode (I think it's called operations) where you play either as defender or attacker and try to hold or attack 3 objectives againts 20 enemy waves (you get 20 waves of reinforcements too and they reset back to 20 every time an objective is taken if I remember correctly, so a single battle would take probably an hour minimum). I've never felt fully immersed in any multiplayer world war FPS game except this one. I wish they had a trench warfare game mode, but still it's a great game
For being a professional historian you still get mad at fake "inaccuracies", half of the things you called out where wrong facts, like the maxim machine gun, the winchester being a 1907 present at ww1, Germany capturing tanks and using them against the British, the zeppelin was not using rockets but an auto cannon that was made to be slow for balancing and other nerdy shit
14:50 the tanks in the first world war weren't very good in muddy therain, and because of that they often drove on roads, simply to be faster.
You gotta keep in mind that this game's war stories are created from the multiplayer content. That's why things like the anti tank cannon can be operated by one single person. And the lack of french and russian soldiers is due to them being added post-launch for the multiplayer
5:16, that is the Winchester model 1907. It was a ten round semi-auto rifle. It was an attempt to make a semi-auto rifle by Winchester and was presented to the American Military. It was accepted but was limited use until the French purchased around 7.000 rifles during the First World War. The French modified these rifles with bigger magazines and were shipped to the front by late 1917. It acted as a squad support weapon for NCO's and higher ranking officers.
The campaign is pretty much nonexistent in this game, so most of the focus is on multiplayer, and dice definitely didn’t erase the French there. They are very heavily featured as well as the Russians, Anzacs, AND Italians and ottomans which are pretty much completely forgotten in mainstream media portrayals of ww1. They also feature the Royal Marines and their obscure battles against the Germans in the North Sea. This game also goes out of its way to feature the Soviets with the Russian civil war, so the way you describe this game as “going out of its way to erase the main belligerents of ww1” is far from accurate
What do you expect from a Amateur Historian ?
13:55 Forgotten you say? Then the They Shall Not Pass and In The Name of The Tsar is nothing to you or you didn't check it. It's 2021, BF1 has all its DLC out already so the Russian, French existed. BF1 has 2 DLC dedicated to it just not the start. This were the first and an introduction to BF1 so it was in the game since launch but the French does not existed yet so they use the British as a replacement, the Renault FT does exist in game but because the British were the replacement so it has to stay with their choices.
The fact he said that this mission dehumanizes the germans when the mission is literally about the opposite
Ikr he got so much wrong.
he does not even care to show the end of the mission he just skips it.
bro acting like there were no explosive shit like field guns explosive ammo, grenades, dinamites and AT grenades in ww1
I think this is the best intromission in fps games I have played. The sentence "You're not expected to survive" and jumping straight into action and dying just to rejoin the fight as another soldier was just brilliant.
0:55 I don't nit pick that much, but the intro wasn't saying it literally ended nothing, but rather it was meant to end all wars but it didn't end any
i like how personally offended he is when they get something “wrong”
The War to End All Wars ended nothing because 20 years later another one started, i think that's what they meant but I'm not sure tbh
This guy doesn't know shit about ww1 but is still trying to teach us about it, wtf ?
Big L to Woodrow Wilson and the US soldiers who didnt respect the black American soldiers. Just hearing you talk about that issue gave me goosebumps when you mentioned that the French were happy to fight alongside them.
nobody tell him about the black Germans in the multiplayer
My most hated thing about this game
In the tank section you're playing as a British soldiers, why wouldn't you use a British tank?
He's a good youtuber, and i like his content. But he seems to know very little about WW1... at least BF1, because this isn't the campaign, this is the prologue. This isn't the Harlem Hellfighter MISSION, this is an introduction to the game! It's supposed to showcase what you can do in the rest of the game. Therefore the Tank, the gas mask and so on.
Lol, dude does know those are cannon ball fire and not a rocket launcher right? Like he thinks this is a CoD game, but really it's way better than he knows, probably just confused
With the amount of stuff he got wrong how is he a historian??
Maybe the "Amateur Historian" from the video description should have been in the title aswell. Man I was really expecting some well researched facts (don't worry a some of them are, but the ones that aren't are very frustrating) and him even opening his eyes in some moments and not calling every tracer amunition or incindiary a fcking rocket . Seems like he really want's to prove the game wrong, taking things out of context and even saying wrong information to prove his point. The other comments also reflect that. Nothing against him personally but maybe when you do a historical breakdown of something you should prepare, research specifics you want to point out and watch your material beforehand to not confuse context of some things said points you feel like are incorrect
We saw a lot of rockets but in the multiplayer game there aren't rockets like that 😅
@@Lardbeane they still very strange and they look like flares or something
"Are you insane?? an anti tank gun during ww1?"
TankGewehr: allow me to introduce myself
I think the gun he was using at the end was an Italian made gun? But I’m not sure and I think the tank crew were British because the had strong British accent
Love your videos and your sense of humour
most of ur complains like the russians are dlc if i remembered correctly
Not only that, most of the dlcs are either constantly on sale or free now
Apparently first of all this guy doesn't seem to understand that a video game probably can't be historically accurate because then it would be boring the whole point of a video game is to be fun so they have to put in other things that weren't there.
Not to mention he almost got everything wrong
I feel like it saying ended nothing is saying that it never accomplished what it was meant to achieve and ultimately just led to decades more of pain and suffering
The * rockets * on the zepplins are actually heavy autocannons which were also the first mass produced type in the world
1907 SL being a Winchester 1897? I think it is a separate model, it doesnt pump, and has box mags instead of tube.
I thought the same thing, one is a rifle, one is a shotgun.
I think you should play the games before reacting to them
Edit: also you should remember it’s a game and do a little bit more research about the era I mean I’m not saying you’re bad it’s just not good at this era
m1907 sl is the winchester model 1907 semi automatic not the winchester model 1897 shotgun
Hey HistoryLegends, I'm actually glad you decided to touch up on this subject because I few weeks ago I was watching a video on the Harlem Hellfighters and alot of the things you said in this video were 100% accurate as always. 👍🏾
Also I have to ask, Are you a History major, History teacher or a Historian? 🙂
I'd say 2 of them are true ;)
@@historylegends hey I love your channel this was a great video, however you called the m1907 a Winchester 1897?
He sure as hell ain’t a history major in anything ww1 related considering half the crap he said in this video was wrong.
@@James2005. lol yh
@James2005. FR
Ther are no rokets its from a fieldgun
The “rockets” were coming from in antitank gun if u paid attention
Are there even any fps games where you can play a german campaign?
BfV is the only game I know of that has one mission from the German perspective
Omg bro u really need to see bf1 guns
I feel like what the fictional character meant by saying “the tanks were mostly on out side” was that he was referring that many tanks were captured from the British and also that no weapon can be on a persons side
1:01 don’t forget the Ottomans.
The German flame crews actually had been firefighters and wore Gasmasks because of the fumes from the flamethrowers so they actually got that part right for once
What I hate about these missions is there are no squad tactics everyone just running around like chickens
The game would not be enjoyable for some people without RPG