Thanks for the video guys, awesome job as always. I was surprisingly nervous when this video cam up in my feed even though I'm more than happy with my E1 Prima. The Gaggia classic has such a great reputation that a few doubts crept into my head. I regularly use a few different machines, with the cheapest being a KMart $89 espresso machine with a few mods to the portafilter, a decent basket and a bit of physical flow restriction that makes a surprisingly decent espresso. That machine stays at work and a few of us get a kick out of making espressos with it that it just wouldn't make in its standard configuration. There is the Rancilio Silvia (V2) that is on loan to my dad, a Breville DB and a commercial ECM 2 group at work, all of which make excellent coffee and all with slightly different taste profiles. Then there is the newish E1 Prima that I use every chance I get and has made a number of stunning espressos. What I find that really helps with making decent espresso is the freshness of the beans, dialing in the grind by weighing in and out, decent puck prep and a semi decent grinder. At work we use a Breville Smart Grinder Pro which is at least consistent even though the retention is terrible and at home I'm currently using a Urbanic 070S which is producing excellent clarity even compared with a Mazzer Super Jolly which has been modified to single dose. At my stage in my coffee journey, I don't think that a super high end grinder would make that much difference to what I'm tasting. My taste pallet probably needs to develop more before I take the next step with grinders. The biggest difference between all of the machines for me is the steam power and steam quality. The KMart machine is just a no for steaming (seriously, just don't even bother), Miss Silvia is mostly sad and slow with very wet steam, the DB is slow but with good steam, the ECM is great but stressful with the amount of steam knob turning it takes to stop it and the E1 is just a dream with the power, speed quality of steam and is so, so easy to use. For me though making coffee is more than just the machine. Its almost an art form that is so rewarding by itself with the best part being the delicious drinks you get at the end of the process. If you love making coffee, the machine you are using almost doesn't matter. Steaming milk though is a different story..... ;)
While I feel the comparison is actually fair, I think a couple of points should be pointed out: 1. using a higher dose and not adjusting grind size will lead to more resistance in the puck which will result in a longer extraction and thus not a comparable extraction. 2. The rotary pump will typically ramp up quicker which also means typically a faster extraction given that two machines one with a vibratory pump and one with a rotary pump use the same portafilter with the same dose containing the same grind size coffee. So this might make up a bit for the increased dose size and relatively speaking finer grind size. 3. It would have been nice to use the same filter baskets and also a spring tamper to make eliminate other differences. 4. The puck prep is not what I would expect to see from someone who’s been training baristas for years, I have to say. A dosing ring could have helped to prevent coffee from falling out of the portafilter and the coffee bed was clearly not evenly distributed, because the leveler was set too low as we could see at 6:05. Considering these points it’s probably hard to compare the two espressos directly as there are a number of influencing factors that stem from the difference between these machines. But I would 100% agree with the bottom line that the increase in quality is marginal compared to the amount of money you spend on an eagle one. Where it really shines is in how different it’s application is. The eagle one can easily bang out coffees in a small café whereas I would not like to work with a Gaggia Classic for this. However, as a home machine, the gaggia classic with a pid and a 6 or 9 bar spring is a really great choice!
It would be so great if the genius minds of Victoria Arduino could bring us a machine that is as small as the Gaggia, but as capable of consistence and same-time-steam-and-brew. I know they CAN do it, they just need to think smarter and use smaller components. It would be a great 1000 $ machine project for them.
Nowadays we have very advanced and much smaller rotary pumps that fit virtually any machine. We have PIDs and technologies that give very accurate temp consistency without the need of big boilers. We have systems that deliver constant steam without the need of a big boiler...
Nice. Rancilio is a solid little grinder. A little clumpy, and dial is is stepped, but other than that they are great little workhorses! Mods sound good :)
A Baratza Encore is cool for its price, and 100x better than not having a grinder! Nice equipment does make espresso better, yet to me coffee is also about the experience in the moment.. So as long as you are enjoying the process and enjoying your coffee, all equipment is good :)
Im pretty happy with my setup: -> Gaggia classic pro with 9 bar OPV kit, low profile drip tary, bottomless portafilter with wooden handle and wooden steam knob (estethics))), -> 1zipresso K-Max -> Felicita Incline scales (since I also love a pour over) -> WDT tool and... I forgot how to call a tool witch makes a puk flat before tamping)) -> Puck screen -> And recently upgraded my tamper from 58 mm to 58.5 mm. Those 5 mm makes a diffrent in puck prep... I know that this setup produces a nice shot of espresso and I dont necessery need to upgrade, buuuuuut I want a really great experience of my morning coffe routine)) -> Rocket appartamento serie nera (with cooper circles) -> Niche Zero (black one) -> Espresso scales Acaia lunar
I prefer stand-alone grinders, as this gives more options to how you package up the setup within a budget. Generally, in favor of getting the best grinder possible, and compromising on the machine if need be. And then, stepping up the machine over time. In saying that the Delonghi La Specialista is a good little starting unit.
Thanks, Pedro, thanks, Paul, now I don't have to sell my stamp album to buy my new coffee machine. I use a hand crank grinder and my espresso machine is a Wacaco Nanopresso. Can't wait for a Gaggia.
The stamp collection! I remember collecting them ☺️ now wondering what happened to my collection… As for machines, to me coffee is about an experience and a moment in time. Wacaco is cool for it price. The Gaggia is easier to live with daily at home that the Wacaco and I’m sure you’ll love it! ☺️
Excellent content. Thanks. I think I’m out of date as those shots looked fast to me. What’s your target time for 2:1? I am running on a Gaggia Classic and a Eureka Specialita. Getting a LMLM next month…hope the grinder will suffice (note you’re using the XL). Ciao.
Congrats on the LMLM!!! You will love it! The Eureka Specialita is awesome, XL si a little better yet not worlds apart. If you were ordering with the LMLM would suggest XL, but seeing you already have the Specialita wouldn't suggest the upgrade. Instead would focus on making sure the rest of the setup is neat, like water quality, coffee storage, etc... I'm sure you will love the LMLM Specialita combo :) Also for shots, 2:1 sometimes the videographers speed up the video slightly to keep it engaging and the video relatively short.
Thanks for the video Pedro! Great content. I have the Profitec 600 right now but would love a Eagle One prime in my life. I noticed some water drops from the Prima durning the shot. Do you think that was due to the portafilter not being in super tight? Cheers!
Good question. I have never used a Gaggia La Giusta, so hard for me to comment, yet generally which machine for which cafe depends on many factors such as coffee volume, cafe aim, local service network, etc. So even if I knew the machine always hard to give a blanket answer.
@@CoffeePartsTV well fair enough, but overall as gaggia brand - do you think they are good as cafe commercial machines? Like durability, workhorse, good espresso quality, trustworthy commercially? Even if let’s say for a medium sized cafe!!
Yes, and thank you for asking ☺️ it’s definitely planned, especially as we have had comments asking for it before and a couple emails too. Will aim for getting one to film later this month 🤞🏼
Would almost say more important that the machine. In saying that there are a few important elements such as water and coffee bean choice, roast date, storage etc too. I feel it really does come down to a healthy balance of all elements.
I had much better results from my Gaggia baby pided and opv moded, than a machine later on, that costs 4 time the price of the Gaggia The grinder is the key and off course the beans I am laughing of people that put inside stale oily beans and then they describe acidity....
Thanks for the video guys, awesome job as always.
I was surprisingly nervous when this video cam up in my feed even though I'm more than happy with my E1 Prima. The Gaggia classic has such a great reputation that a few doubts crept into my head.
I regularly use a few different machines, with the cheapest being a KMart $89 espresso machine with a few mods to the portafilter, a decent basket and a bit of physical flow restriction that makes a surprisingly decent espresso. That machine stays at work and a few of us get a kick out of making espressos with it that it just wouldn't make in its standard configuration.
There is the Rancilio Silvia (V2) that is on loan to my dad, a Breville DB and a commercial ECM 2 group at work, all of which make excellent coffee and all with slightly different taste profiles.
Then there is the newish E1 Prima that I use every chance I get and has made a number of stunning espressos.
What I find that really helps with making decent espresso is the freshness of the beans, dialing in the grind by weighing in and out, decent puck prep and a semi decent grinder. At work we use a Breville Smart Grinder Pro which is at least consistent even though the retention is terrible and at home I'm currently using a Urbanic 070S which is producing excellent clarity even compared with a Mazzer Super Jolly which has been modified to single dose.
At my stage in my coffee journey, I don't think that a super high end grinder would make that much difference to what I'm tasting. My taste pallet probably needs to develop more before I take the next step with grinders.
The biggest difference between all of the machines for me is the steam power and steam quality. The KMart machine is just a no for steaming (seriously, just don't even bother), Miss Silvia is mostly sad and slow with very wet steam, the DB is slow but with good steam, the ECM is great but stressful with the amount of steam knob turning it takes to stop it and the E1 is just a dream with the power, speed quality of steam and is so, so easy to use.
For me though making coffee is more than just the machine. Its almost an art form that is so rewarding by itself with the best part being the delicious drinks you get at the end of the process. If you love making coffee, the machine you are using almost doesn't matter.
Steaming milk though is a different story.....
;)
While I feel the comparison is actually fair, I think a couple of points should be pointed out:
1. using a higher dose and not adjusting grind size will lead to more resistance in the puck which will result in a longer extraction and thus not a comparable extraction.
2. The rotary pump will typically ramp up quicker which also means typically a faster extraction given that two machines one with a vibratory pump and one with a rotary pump use the same portafilter with the same dose containing the same grind size coffee. So this might make up a bit for the increased dose size and relatively speaking finer grind size.
3. It would have been nice to use the same filter baskets and also a spring tamper to make eliminate other differences.
4. The puck prep is not what I would expect to see from someone who’s been training baristas for years, I have to say. A dosing ring could have helped to prevent coffee from falling out of the portafilter and the coffee bed was clearly not evenly distributed, because the leveler was set too low as we could see at 6:05.
Considering these points it’s probably hard to compare the two espressos directly as there are a number of influencing factors that stem from the difference between these machines. But I would 100% agree with the bottom line that the increase in quality is marginal compared to the amount of money you spend on an eagle one. Where it really shines is in how different it’s application is. The eagle one can easily bang out coffees in a small café whereas I would not like to work with a Gaggia Classic for this. However, as a home machine, the gaggia classic with a pid and a 6 or 9 bar spring is a really great choice!
I reckon if you had the Gaggia modded with the PID and dimmer mod, you would find the difference harder to tell!
I’m using my Rocket Mozzafiato with Faustino grinder that I got from you. I love the espressos they make. Thanks for the video and the machine
Love that combo! Happy to hear you are loving them :)
It would be so great if the genius minds of Victoria Arduino could bring us a machine that is as small as the Gaggia, but as capable of consistence and same-time-steam-and-brew. I know they CAN do it, they just need to think smarter and use smaller components. It would be a great 1000 $ machine project for them.
Nowadays we have very advanced and much smaller rotary pumps that fit virtually any machine. We have PIDs and technologies that give very accurate temp consistency without the need of big boilers. We have systems that deliver constant steam without the need of a big boiler...
Also, it would have been a litter more fair comparison with a Lelit Mara X...
I have a Rancilio Rocky, modified for single dosing with a bellows and 3D printed funnel. Temporarily, I'm using a Wacaco Picopresso for espresso.
Nice. Rancilio is a solid little grinder. A little clumpy, and dial is is stepped, but other than that they are great little workhorses! Mods sound good :)
The results will be a much closer if fits Gaggia woth a cheap OPV 9 bar spring mod
At the moment I wish I had a better grinder to level up from the Baratza encore.....
A Baratza Encore is cool for its price, and 100x better than not having a grinder!
Nice equipment does make espresso better, yet to me coffee is also about the experience in the moment.. So as long as you are enjoying the process and enjoying your coffee, all equipment is good :)
Im pretty happy with my setup:
-> Gaggia classic pro with 9 bar OPV kit, low profile drip tary, bottomless portafilter with wooden handle and wooden steam knob (estethics))),
-> 1zipresso K-Max
-> Felicita Incline scales (since I also love a pour over)
-> WDT tool and... I forgot how to call a tool witch makes a puk flat before tamping))
-> Puck screen
-> And recently upgraded my tamper from 58 mm to 58.5 mm. Those 5 mm makes a diffrent in puck prep...
I know that this setup produces a nice shot of espresso and I dont necessery need to upgrade, buuuuuut I want a really great experience of my morning coffe routine))
-> Rocket appartamento serie nera (with cooper circles)
-> Niche Zero (black one)
-> Espresso scales Acaia lunar
I’m glad I stumbled on this vid on my google page. I have a delonghi la specialista, what are your thoughts on in built grinders and tampers ? 😬😬
I prefer stand-alone grinders, as this gives more options to how you package up the setup within a budget.
Generally, in favor of getting the best grinder possible, and compromising on the machine if need be. And then, stepping up the machine over time.
In saying that the Delonghi La Specialista is a good little starting unit.
Thanks, Pedro, thanks, Paul, now I don't have to sell my stamp album to buy my
new coffee machine. I use a hand crank grinder and my espresso machine is a
Wacaco Nanopresso. Can't wait for a Gaggia.
The stamp collection! I remember collecting them ☺️ now wondering what happened to my collection… As for machines, to me coffee is about an experience and a moment in time. Wacaco is cool for it price. The Gaggia is easier to live with daily at home that the Wacaco and I’m sure you’ll love it! ☺️
@@CoffeePartsTV I certainly will. Now. I've got to have my coffee before reality sets in. Have a great day mate.
Excellent content. Thanks. I think I’m out of date as those shots looked fast to me. What’s your target time for 2:1? I am running on a Gaggia Classic and a Eureka Specialita. Getting a LMLM next month…hope the grinder will suffice (note you’re using the XL). Ciao.
Congrats on the LMLM!!! You will love it!
The Eureka Specialita is awesome, XL si a little better yet not worlds apart.
If you were ordering with the LMLM would suggest XL, but seeing you already have the Specialita wouldn't suggest the upgrade. Instead would focus on making sure the rest of the setup is neat, like water quality, coffee storage, etc...
I'm sure you will love the LMLM Specialita combo :)
Also for shots, 2:1 sometimes the videographers speed up the video slightly to keep it engaging and the video relatively short.
Thanks for the video Pedro! Great content. I have the Profitec 600 right now but would love a Eagle One prime in my life. I noticed some water drops from the Prima durning the shot. Do you think that was due to the portafilter not being in super tight? Cheers!
Thank you. Noticed it too 😬 and yes, as making coffee from an un-natural angle for camera just haven’t locked in the portafilter firmly.
Was that 40g out in 19 secs on the E1 Prima? I get best results with my Prima at around 30 secs
How about gaggia la guista machine? You think are they good for cafés business?
Good question. I have never used a Gaggia La Giusta, so hard for me to comment, yet generally which machine for which cafe depends on many factors such as coffee volume, cafe aim, local service network, etc. So even if I knew the machine always hard to give a blanket answer.
@@CoffeePartsTV well fair enough, but overall as gaggia brand - do you think they are good as cafe commercial machines? Like durability, workhorse, good espresso quality, trustworthy commercially? Even if let’s say for a medium sized cafe!!
Pedro - any chance of doing a review on the Dalla Corte Studio? Not a lot of reviews online and I’m think of purchasing one soon.
This ⬆️
Yes, and thank you for asking ☺️ it’s definitely planned, especially as we have had comments asking for it before and a couple emails too. Will aim for getting one to film later this month 🤞🏼
@@CoffeePartsTV thank you - love your channel, keep up the great work! ❤️
Grinder is as important as the machine.
Would almost say more important that the machine. In saying that there are a few important elements such as water and coffee bean choice, roast date, storage etc too. I feel it really does come down to a healthy balance of all elements.
I find that this 7000 $ machine costs too much for the build material used there.
On the other hand, La Marzocco GS3 uses the right material
I had the Gaggia. It made really bitter espresso. I had to sell it. Sorry.
I had much better results from my Gaggia baby pided and opv moded, than a machine later on, that costs 4 time the price of the Gaggia
The grinder is the key and off course the beans
I am laughing of people that put inside stale oily beans and then they describe acidity....