Pope Francis Suspends 'Bishop Of Bling'
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- "Pope Francis suspended Germany's infamous "Bishop of Bling" today after learning that the bishop spent as much as $55 million renovating his official residence, including a Bloombergian-$20,000 on his bathtub. Bishop Franz-Peter Tebartz-van Elst met with Pope Francis earlier this week to discuss the cost of his home's renovation, which includes $20,000 on a new bathtub, $35,000 on a single conference table, $1.1 million on a garden, and $4 million on a private chapel...".* Ana Kasparian, Cenk Uygur, Ben Mankiewicz (What The Flick?! and TYT Sports), and John Iadarola (TYT University and Common Room) break it down on The Young Turks.
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I appreciate your reporting on this item. I think the Pope made his point clear and recalling this Bishop was the right thing to do. However, your comments such as his "funny" clothes and "did he get thrown out for spending on that money, or being gay?" were extremely offensive and rude. Whatever your personal religious views, you claim to be reporters, so please do your job with a hint of professionalism and respect.
Will you said what I wished to say well done!
I came here to type that exact same thing. You want to broadcast news, that's fine- but why is every news piece also an opinion piece as well? If all of you are not religious, and don't care much for tradition, fine- but don't mock things which are older than most nations.
Shamino1 Even if the religion exists longer than most nations I highly doubt that all of the traditions and the garments were like that over 1000 years ago. Also I think the argument "it was there before you were born so you have no right to make fun of it" is completely invalid.
Will White I partly agree. I'm an atheist and mostly agree with their opinions, but those opinions had no place in this piece. But the style that every news piece is also an opinion piece was like that from the beginning as far as I know and usually I enjoy it. What I don't enjoy is when they all bash on a topic on which they know they agree on anyway. If it is a discussion between Cenk and Ana about if a 15 year old boy can be raped it is interesting to me. Not when the complete panel goes: "Ha! Look at those ridiculous looking religious people."
will white don't talk like this .. will its not in u hand any way since u still don't see god .. how good u see me
How can you defend a man of god that lives in that manner?
Pope Francis is a Jesuit, that's a good thing and a something that's been a long time coming, they are not allowed to seek positions/promotions they must be asked. They are expected to have several PHDs under their belt by the time they've finished their "training" which takes up to 14 years. Your religious beliefs or lack there of aside, there's an educated, humble and good man in a major position of power in the world.
What people always miss is that just because someone says they're Christian - doesn't make them Christian. It's like saying you're a car because you're standing in a garage. The proof is in the way someone lives their life. Pope Francis is a good Christian. .
There are Saints and sinners in the church there always will.
Mortimer after reading two posts of yours I think that there should be limits on free speech, you are a first class idiot!
That is exactly what Augustine taught us after the heresy of Nestorianism. Grace comes from God, not from the perceived perfection of the minister. It is often phrased as "Grace comes from the work worked, not from the worker."
Bil Carter It matters what GOD teaches thru HIS HOLY WORD and NOT what some Augustine taught.
+Mortimer no there arent - just your superstitions
Mijc Osis Just your condescending athiest opinion....
Those guys are disgusting.
I'm Jewish but my husband is Catholic. He turned away from the church long ago due to the whole molestation scandal. He does seem to like this pope as do I. If this pope is as good as he seems to be I wouldn't mind is my husband went back to his church. It's completely up to him of course.
the mentioned bishop had already regreted and asked for forgiveness. he is now content in living a simple life alone somewhere. so let's give him a second chance to prove to God he is truly sorry. Don't judge so you will not be judged. Sometimes power and wealth blinds even a holy person. That's why many people changed when they are in power. What's important is that when you realized you had been wrong, you repented and changed your life.
+clowee azarcon why should they live by your rules? Not to mention they are doing their jobs, reporting and providing editorial on current affairs.
As someone who was raised Catholic and is now an Athiest, I have to admit that Pope Francis is a good PR guy.
None of this should come at any surprise to the well informed. The best way to describe il Papa is that he's acting out the ideal of what a Catholic is supposed to be. I was educated by Jesuits (as he is) and this is EXACTLY how they taught us to act and behave. To be fair, Jesuits are a different breed of Catholic, the very antithesis of the anti-intellectuals you often see today. They were universally hated by the Church, in large part because they were more intellectual and spiritual (rather than religious and dogmatic), which naturally led to a continuous questioning of authority.
I have to be frank here. The point of the Pope is to sheapherd the flock...The past popes have not done such a great job of this. They have taken the church so far away from the gospel message that the church of today looks nothing like the Church of Christ. This pope is making grand strides to correct that disasterous course. All I can say is out of all of the past pontiffs, Pope Francis has nothing but my undiying respect for finally standing up and saying we are doing it wrong.
This is why you lose credibility sometimes TYT. You sometimes criticize things that are irrelevant like his official clothes; or making assumptions about his sexual preference like it was something negative. Let's say this greedy fuck is gay (sexuality still an assumption); is it really necessary to joke about "rent boys" or "being gay"? You need to understand that those sorts of comments: making a connection between someone who is obviously corrupt and his sexual preference as a focus are distasteful to many viewers, and particularly to the gay community. They actually fall into prejudice. The news is that he is a thief or avaricious person and the pope is doing something about it; good, comment on that. I am an anti-theist so this has nothing to do with religion, and I have defended you on a few occasions when I observe your opinions are supported, so is nothing personal. I sense you are fairly friendly to the LGBT community, but in the back of your heads there is an amount of machismo that jumps from time to time. So I would recommend taking a little consideration before how certain ideas are expressed. Best of luck and have a great 2015.
Or their talk about "Vow of Poverty"... I'm not Catholic, but I'm 100% sure that doesn't exist anymore. That was the Medieval Monks. I find anyone that listens to these guys and actually believes half the things they say are tools. Time to to grow up, get off your ass, and do legitimate research before you open your mouth. And yeah, if it's on a right wing or christian topic, TYT becomes absolute hypocritical. They bash people who mistreat stereotypes, then turn around and do what they say is wrong.
+Brady “Bradygg” Gordish you are 100% wrong - the vow of poverty does exist, they technically do not own anything, they have turned their lives over to the church. but feel free to rant in ignorance without checking. It is ironic you criticise them for doing exactly what you are doing, not they.
+Darksido maybe you should use that tiny brain of yours- the gay comment was about the church being so homophobic, and why should they not criticise those ridiculous garments that they have clung to for so long, since they were an the all powerful rulers of europe and made owning bibles illegal and sold forgiveness. It is holding them back today. Why should it be above criticism?
+Mijc Osis (mycosys) it's prejudice minds like this that prevent society from ever getting along. Let the past die. Don't judge a class for crimes that no one who is even alive committed. It's very ignorant.
I do sense the South American mentality in pope Fransis. A socialist, humble person who does not only tell people to share your wealth with the poor, but also does it himself
Whether or not these jerks are 'people of faith' their reporting style leaves a lot to be desired.Mocking this bishop's clerical robes is just immature & pathetic.Sure,deal with his abusive use of money but leave out how he dresses,or any assumptions regarding his sexuality.
The Bishop of Bling - there has to be a film in that.
The Novus Ordo is bling.....why NOT a bling bishop??????
If you guys are going to talk about Francis you could at least get your facts straight. He wasn't the Archbishop of Argentina. He was the Archbishop of Buenos Aires and Cardinal-Priest of San Roberto Bellarmino.
Mind your business, look at your right way of life, dear reporters ok?
Shut up
pope francis makes revolutionary changes within catholic church,and it causes big impact on church people and on others too, Gbu pope
How much did the bling bishop spend on all that make-up? In the picture of him, he's caked with it.
I've seen drag queens with less make up on. Honestly! - and he has plucked eyebrows, too. I wonder if he's wearing Victoria's Secret under his robes?
20,000 for a bathtub really isn't a horrible price for a high end tub. Cast iron tubs aren't cheap and its the best way to go.
did that pic remind anyone of the herr flick from the tv series 'allo 'allo?
I don't think you should get too hung up on the actual amount of money he spent on the renovations until you saw what he was renovating.
As an example, there's a bishop or cardinal in Italy (i think) who lives in a old-school roman villa with a massive garden, cluttered with frescoes, mosaics and marble statues, sculpted trees and a working antique fountain, that has been maintained til this day. It's incredibly expensive to renovate and maintain, but it's a historic... dare I say monument?
Poverty for the church with its own bank?
The "Vatican Bank" is actually called the "Institute for the Works of Religion" and is a bank within the Vatican City. It's assets are not held by the Holy See, however the institute's surplus is available for the Holy to use in it's mission regarding works of religion and charity. It is not a central bank and is not a department of the Roman Curia which is the central administration of the Roman Catholic Church. Further to this, there is no requirement for priests or laypeople to live a life of poverty. Certain religious orders do give up their possession, like the Franciscans - but that is a discipline they place on themselves.
I'm not enforcing anything or trying to start a fight, but when the man made the comment, "...or for being for gay." I was taken aback because Pope Francis actually doesn't care if someone is gay, but rather if you are a Catholic, you truly believe in God.
Are you guys for real? Although I agree that this guy is out of line, so are you. What jerks.
was jus thinkin that myself, i mean i like these guys normally but pope francis is doin some really good things and there being dicks. Im an athiest by the way
PFP Billtown man they are some ASSHOLE
I'm a Christian, and this is EMBARRASSING to our religion. Horrible example of how we should live our lives by pope. Just our morals down the drain by a leader. Horrifying.
WTF Comrade Francis?!
Mijc Osis
WTF are you going on about?
1) I'm atheist so what follows is my understanding, having dated a Catholic for 4.5 years
2) The pope is the symbol of unity of the church
3) No one, and I mean no one worships the pope, he is only a man.
4) Catholic priests aren't the only church leaders molesting children, just like pug aren't the only dogs that bite people, there's a media bias in the US towards protestants.
5) The priests are celibate because they live in homes owned by the church, and if he has a son, whom gets the land
I love hearing about how the most disgustingly rich organization in the history of the world occasionally gives soup to the homeless; aren't they the sweetest?!
+CDenic - Most Catholic priests I know live modestly. The churches I know that are Catholic churches give most of their money to the community, and to Catholic charities. The money comes from parishioners who donate it. These parishioners, along with other churches, not all Catholic, periodically purchase food supplies and drop them off at their respective churches to give food to the shelters.
Then there is my uncle, who was a missionary, who spend his entire live living in poor communities, one where he successfully got funds to build a school and.. due to education, it went from a ghetto to a thriving village in a few decades.
None of the things I mentioned require that the recipients are Catholics, or even Christians. The help goes to anyone in need.
People like vilifying people who are suppose to be good. Most people are good. There are always a few bad applies.
Oh, and by the way, the Catholic Church isn't anywhere near the top of the richest organizations. I'm not sure it would even appear on the first page of such a list. The church does collect millions of dollars from millions of Catholics, but relatively little of that stays in the organization.
If this story is true (and I have no reason to think it's not, but this is the Internet - I do expect it is true) then this Bishop was scamming people by spending money that should have gone to others. He's not only the exception, he's an extreme case.
+CDenic n' what do you do for homeless?
+CDenic If you want to look for a religion that is very rich look no further than Saudi Arabia the custodians of Islam which has trillions of oil money and use it to spread Islam all over the world the last time I checked the catholic church did not own a country with loads of oil , lucky it doesn't other wise I dont know what you would say ...
Let's keep in mind, Tebartz-van Elst was only temporarily put on vacation.
He didn't have to resign. He still is the bishop of that city.
So in theory, he could even come back to that church.
More likely, though, he will be given a different post, like teaching at some church college or something like that.
This is why many members of that church feel the pope wasn't strict enough.
TYT should report on the forced proselytization of people in India who are poor. Evangelical and Catholics together coming as NGOs and converting. It's awful and disgusting.
Pope Francis lived among poor people. He spent years helping and teaching the 'forgotten' one. After he accepted the position imposed on him by his Cardinal brethren. He changed from his traditional Cardinal clothes to his papacy clothes, he asked for simplicity, a white rope instead of the fancy attire and told his assistants...the carnival is over. His residency, his shoes, the car he wants to use, etc. wolves dressed as sheep are everywhere, the church is not an exception but he will find those looking for luxury while serving as priests of the Lord.
They left out the most outrageous part: The bishop is being charged with perjury for making wrongfull statements in an affidavit.
this is the best pope ever! I have waited for one to come along and shake things up. And not just rattle heads for no reason but he has called all of them to task for preaching one thing and doing another. He has told them to get back to the roots of the teachings and love everyone and stop hate and cash and etc....
This is not a new thing. This Pope is reacting to the fact that its membership is bleeding away from the church every single day. But here is the real question of this story....Where did all that money come from and why does the church still plead with their parishioners for even more money, every single service. It's nice for a change, to see a pope who is not egotistical about his status, is intolerant of this behavior and tolerant of the rest of society.
yes" I am an Atheist myself, too and I have to admit, Pope Francis seems to have his heart in the right place!
the things he already has said, made many leading catholics cringe, suich as "atheists can go to heaven, if they were decent enough people" or those things about "the gays" etc.
I had my doubts, but it looks a little bit as if the catholic church might change tiny bit during his papacy. I sure hope so.
now, the biggest "christian" problem are American EVANGELICALS - those guys are nuts!
Anna, Pope Francis isn't listening to millennials, he is doing what is right. This is amazing, a pope who isn't trying to take the moral high ground, he is just doing what is right. (I am not Catholic BTW)
Why can't the Pope suspend Bishops? According to Roman Catholic doctrine the Pope is The Vicar of Christ and pastor of the entire Catholic church. As such he has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered:that, in brief, the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power. In other words the Pope is answerable only to God; the Vatican is NOT a democracy. It's called Papal Supremacy.
I don't see why the Vatican had a problem with this Bishop. He followed their example perfectly.
Even though I am not christian, I've got to give this new pope props for actually practicing what he preaches.
True. I sort of live in a dualism on that; I live in Germany, where both catholic and protestant churches have their members taxed by the state. But as I am a christian not belonging to neither confession, I don't pay church tax. The US did a good job in seperating church and state (although religion and state still seem way too interlinked), but as long as a lot of countries still have church taxes, the church can rely on that. If it couldn't, I believe the church would look a lot different.
The bigger scandal that wasn't mentioned in the video is that Germany, where this Bishop lives, has a church tax that everyone in the country has to pay. So this Bishop isn't just wasting the church's money, he's wasting the German taxpayer's money.
I agree with you. I thought the same thing. And it came to my mind the attire used in graduation ceremonies or worn by judges for example. It doesn't really matter what you wear, but what you say.
I'm totally with Ben on this one. I mean a $20,000 bathtub? That doesn't even begin to explain away 55 million dollars. Like did each tile bathroom cost a million dollars or what?
I do care about the poor, but the Vatican's artwork is some of the greatest in the world. Like the Sistine Chapel paintings, and the School of Athens which is imo the greatest painting ever. They can't just sell all that to the highest bidder, when it might be destroyed. I do want to help the poor, and donate to charity, but I don't think we should be complete philistines either.
The Pope Said that gays and atheists are still loved by God. And they are welcome to attend church anytime
If you are truly 'outraged' about the Bishop of 'bling' that's fine. But, to trash talk Francis after he did the right thing is just wrong.
Reporting child molestation was already pretty hard to do without massive backfire from the church anyway, plus there's a chance that the EU or someone else will step in and try to help they ever try to enforce that rule. Also, keep in mind how much other high ranking Catholics freak out whenever Francis said that atheists can have morals, so he's probably scared to death of speaking out against the church's insane anti-birth control laws. I'm giving him time some time to turn on that bullshit.
In terms if priests taking a vow of poverty. In general there are two types of priests; one is a priest who is part of a specific order like the Benedictin, Dominican or Franciscan or Trappists Orders. Those who belong to this do take vows of poverty. The priests who work in parishes such as the Bishop do NOT need to take a vow of poverty. I was a Catholic from cradle until I was about 27 years of age. Of course I Note what the Bishop did was totally unacceptable and God Forsaken!
Never trust any priest,pastor,reverend,etc. that drives a flashy $60,000 car or has a million dollar house. The fact is no matter where that guy lives there are homeless children, and anyone who was truly living his life to serve any god, and set an example to others to do the same, would make do with a $30,000 car and a $200,000 house just so they could use the extra money to do "gods work" and help the less fortunate in their community.
Glad to see my fellow Catholics coming to defend the church! As Cathathiest, I promise you the church is not a horrible, sinister institution.
You can watch as guy in nice robes made of white and gold bores you to sleep by holding up bronze cups. Sounds fun doesn't it?
Dude, they got billions worth of land, gold, cash and a HUGE banking service.
I just love the reasoning behind that argument. It basically says one bad deed is enough to condemn a person for a lifetime, but one good deed is not enough to praise that same person for the rest of their life.
That reasoning is a joke. Criticize the decision to excommunicate Friar Reynolds all you want, I would agree with that criticism. But to dismiss all good deeds because of this one bad deed is irrational.
They just said how he prefers to reside in less extravagant places and he spent his life living pretty humbly. I'm not a christian but I think hes a pretty good guy.
This is why I Love Jesus & NOT religion.
Not sure why Ben is so surprised. It is a big ass building. Most of the money went into structural stuff, etc.
If you write an article, it doesn't sound impressive if you say 2 million were spent on renovating the wooden structure of the roof. Another 3 million to update the insolation; 2.5 million to make the basement water-damage-proof, etc. 20,000 for the bathtub shows the bling-part, because it was an actual personal choice, most of the cost was probably not related to the bishops' tastes.
Mostly with constant changes after parts of his home where already finished.
We here in germany are ashamed by so much greed. 3 Mio. for a privat chaple near his sleeping chamber - and that with the dome just about 600 m away!
The funny thing is in Germany bishops salaries aren't even paid by the church but by the state using tax money.
He's not listening to polls. He is listening to what the BIBLE says.
No.In Germany only those who want to be officially recognized by the state as a member of a church have to pay the tax.Germans can choose not to pay the tax,but they will not be officially recognized as a member of a church.
I don't understand how a $20,000 bathtub stands out when you spend $55 million. What the hell did he spend the rest on?
Dude basically stole millions of dollars and does not even get fired. Just a suspension.
I'd be sad if I spilled a drink on a $35k table.
a nice twist on this story is, that his predecessor (Bishop Kamphaus) lived in a modest 2 room apartment and let a family of refugees stay in the (then still unrenovated) bishops residence
Back in history only certain people can afford to actually hire music composers to write their hymns, since the church is soo rich, they can afford to hire composers like Bach, Mozart...etc.
It's either the church, royalty or extremely rich lords and barons.
I've never heard anyone in Germany calling him the "Bling Bishop" (or a German equivalent).
I'm sure Jesus would be very proud of this guy....
Because we all know Jesus preached upgrading your home instead of helping the needy.
When did he ever say that it was illegal to report priests raping children to the police?
And contraception does not directly lead to mass poverty. Seeing as a lot of people that use contraceptives are in poverty, it's not really changing anything. There was mass poverty before mass availability of contraceptives
You have to keep in mind that that bishop's residence is probably adjacent to the church and probably several hundreds of years old. Renovating this kind of buildings is inherently expensive. All the work is probably made by hand craftsmen working with traditional tools and materials that are often expensive.
How does a bishop even have the AUTHORISATION to spend 55 million dollars of church money?
Even if the entirety of the $55 M really did go into his home, it's still corruption. I would almost rather he DID just pocket the majority of that money, so that he at least has the option of throwing some of that out to charity, or helping people, or having to give it back if/when he gets caught. Instead, the money is already spent and its potential has been all but destroyed by being converted into material crap.
Its sad that the church was so awful that even these small moves to a good direction are GIANT.
and on the 6th day he said "let there be shiny material trinkets and jewelry for all", and there was, and it was good. Then on the 7th day he said, "these sandals have no arch support and my dogs are barkin, so I must enter the house of pampering for rest, a foot massage, and a pedicure" and he did, and it was good. Then all rejoiced and said damn, that dude is fly. and he was, and it was good
This Pope is the most atheist pope of all. That's why he's the best pope.
Remember: Jesus didn't tell his followers to literally give everything they own to the poor and abhorred greed over God, his philosophy was that money makes the world go round and if you can spend it on yourself then you should!
TYT I understand that you are not Christians but please be respectful of your audience who are just the way you would be of other religions. Christians aren't perfect, we are people like you. There are a lot of good Christians and also a lot of struggling ones. No one is perfect but speaking so poorly about the pope while praising him in the same sentence doesn't make sense. He's trying to be a good pope. Lets support that.
His statements about Idealogy being a sickness within the church were pretty impressive.
Ben, priests do NOT have to take a vow of poverty. Members of certain orders do take a vow of poverty, but not priests in general.
Damn, and here I was wishing I could see what a $20,000 bathtub looks like.
Many people looks surprised about how Francis talks. This is how the catholic church acts and think (not all of it, but the biggest part) in South America. Many lost town in the middle of nowhere have nothing but a church. Many poor (slums) neighbourhoods have very little government assistance, so they rely on their local church (At this point I should said, evangelical churches do this too). So they DO care for the poor and they are very progressive compared to the 1st world church.
No corruption, just an insane bishop. And he might come back from his paid vacation. Being a Bishop is a job for eternity, you can't get fired.
55 million to build his home, while ROME is going through hell.
This bishop literally did not get the message of Jesus.
Nor does Catholicism tbh
I don't know about you, but at least the church doesn't impose an obligatory 10% donation. You can donate or not, and you'll still be considered for their sacraments. Also, in my church, they give an annual financial report from a third party (so no bias) about where the donations go. We are perfectly informed about the financial needs of the church.
this bishop wasnt suspended. the pope only gave him some time off. actually the pope cant suspend bishops, they have to go voluntarily. and a retired german bishop still gets payed his pension by all german tax payers - no matter if catholic, muslim, jew or atheist.
he flew to india to visit the poor people there. and he was demonstrably lying when he was asked if he flew 1st class. he said it was business class.
That is being taken care of quietly. Taking care of THAT situation in a public manner is very bad for PR, but this kind of scandal, that is easily handled publicly.
55 mil on a house is stupid but what if it was 55mil on a church. No one has been helped with this money. He should be sent to work in the Vatican archive and made to live in a men's shelter.
Funny sidenote: The diocese of this bishop just published an ad in a local newspaper that they're looking for a new accountant...
Did you guys get new lighting/cameras? Every shot is like 40% clearer
The religious priests do not all take a vow of poverty.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics includes priests in its "clergy" category. Members of this category earn an average yearly salary of $46,960, or $22.58 per hour, based on 2009 information. Those in the lower 10th percentile make $22,940. In the 90th percentile, the average salary is $75,320.
Not shabby wages for talking to an imaginary friend and working one day a week.
I'm catholic and I wouldn't listen to him. Our priest built a new garage and everybody lost their shit.
$55 million renovation to a residence, what a crock of shit.
Why isnt tyt reporting on the murder of the 24 yr old teacher killed by a 14 black kid. What happend tyt.
That's the point. It's up in the air and making assumptions is pointless.
He has done nothing about the many bishops who have stolen church monies and built themselves nice palaces and homes elsewhere. Also, Mahoney wasted millions on an unnecessary glass cathedral in LA. Who has he suspended or disciplined yet for sexual abuse or theft?
Moreover, there is a lot of media hype & falsehoods about this so-called "bishop of bling".
Not really, the Germanic tribes who destroyed the Western Roman Empire were mostly Arrian Christians, they didn't recognise the Bishop of Rome or the Nicene Creed, the Germans didn't really start becoming Catholic until around the 8th Century. And the Eastern Roman Empire lasted until 1453 and was the center of the Greek Orthodox Church, in schism with Rome for about 1000 years, so no, the Church isn't just the old Roman Empire it came later.
It's absurd that this is even allowed in any faith. Money and opulence isn't what religion should be about.
The ordinary parish priest does not take a vow of poverty. The monks in a monastery take a vow of poverty. ( I spent one year in the seminary, so this is not hearsay. )
First Hispanic Pope Ever
Wow they should have done that a while ago.
Wonder what the first Mexi Pope will do.
Bling Bishop was very angry when he left the Pope in his private helicopter ...