Birth & Death of Subgenres
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- In my new video I talk about the possibility of the birth of new subgenres and the death of existing subgenres.
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So we got Rock, and Metal, I’m thinking I should create a genre called wood
Or stone
Stoner is a thing
@@Kruegerfan101emoandgothallowed yeah I forgot.
Saiyan From Mobius so if blue is sorta kinda “wood music” what would plastic be? Or rubber for that matter
Saiyan From Mobius I feel like most Country would be a pile of shit lol. But I’m saying somebody should make a new genre and call it wood or something
If Sci-Fi metal is the question *VEKTOR* is the answer
NOCTURNUS!
VOIVOD!
Also Artificial Brain
Wintersun will make some Sci-Fi oriented albums in the future, did you know that?
if Jari gets his studio
Black metal and white metal combined, praising Satan and Jesus at the same time. Gray metal.
Rainbow metal haha
My prediction for a metal genre to go to the chopping block..extreme metal..it sounds the same...the lyrics are terrible..it has no heart at all..etc..european extreme metal also dies in the next five years!
Lol
Katrina Reminiec Are you joking? Extreme metal is 30+ years old at this point (It was also born in Europe, which debunks your stupid prediction about it dying in five years), which discerning by your plain ignorance of the genre must be at least twice as old as yourself. It sound's the same? Black and death metal don't sound alike at all, thrash also doesn't sound like either of those, and doom is a whole other story. If you think the lyrics of extreme metal bands suck, that just shows your unfamiliarity with the genre, there are a tonne of great song writers out there in all those different genres of extreme metal. Give your fucking head a shake.
+Katrina Reminiec
The ignorance is strong in this one.
Have you even listened to any good extreme metal band? Slayer, Megadeth, Morbid Angel, Death, Darkthrone, for example?
None of the bands I've listed sound the same, by the way.
I feel like metal can still grow. There are countless genres of music that you can fuse metal with. This wouldn't have to make it heavier or lighter but it would introduce new sounds into the genre possibly birthing new sub-genres.
Black Metal forever!
Sci-Fi album, check out Nocturnus "The Key". Death metal from 1990, with keyboards. Way ahead of it's time, and very underrated.
Nocturnus is bad az FUCK
Timeghoul too
I bought it on cassette in the 90's, great stuff👍👍👍
Mike Browning, their drummer reformed the band under the name Nocturnus AD. And, they are working on a new album. It will pick up where "The Key" left off. I cannot wait!
I was fortunate enough to see Nocturnus AD last year at Mass Destruction Metal Fest it's a once a year fest in Atlanta GA and they even played Chapel of Ghouls too!!!
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I saw your comment and my brain rearranged it to "Hey bro, I'm Ian Scott" and i thought "Dude, Anthrax's Ian Scott is watching BMW??? I gotta see what he said" Thats all, \m/
David The Welder Same
David The Welder his names scott Ian
Yeah, my mind always reverses it. Cuz of Bon Scott. Its my crazy brain.
3:30 - Voivod's entire career has been built on science fiction lyrics and imagery (mostly, but not entirely, dystopian and post-apocalyptic)....
We saw more than "hair metal" die off - speed metal died off before it really ever branched off of heavy metal, when dedicated thrash bands emerged and cut it off, for example; NWOBHM, Nu-Metal, and First Wave Black Metal (for just a few examples) were self-limiting products of their time and place of origin. Were there really ever enough bands playing "pirate metal" or "viking metal" to justify separate subgenres for what are, essentially, just flavors of folk metal at best, when they aren't simply themed heavy metal? (I mean, do you really have a real subgenre when it's populated only by Running Wild or Bathory and a couple imitators and tribute bands?) Arguably, traditional heavy metal was a dead genre, in spite of some valiant efforts to revive the old-school sound and composition styles; subsequent generations of genre pigeon-holers have balkanized what was traditional heavy metal into separate NWOBHM, early doom metal, and speed metal, kicked doom metal into its own ghetto, and then slapped a straightjacket onto what was left of traditional heavy metal and renamed its new ghetto as "power metal". Does a subgenre really continue to "live", if it has been redefined and renamed until everyone pretends it's no longer relevant?
@@pietrayday9915 Speed Metal was a spring board for Power Metal...So in a way it did branch off...before it died...or the music industry killed it...NWOBHM was a short lived era in metal.. So that subgenre died a natural death when bands from other countries( Trust who was a french metal band comes to mind )...started adding them to the mix.
the sci-fi album you are looking for is called Liquid Anatomy by Alkaloid : )
I've been noticing a sorta new wave of death metal coming in that has a pretty interesting sound compared to other bands,
That Visigoth suggestion fucking rules dude! 🤘
Medieval/Renaissance inspired metal (neoclassical? I haven't explored that genre)
Or Psychedelic metal. Stoner and other doom subgenres explored psychedelia in metal, but never enough to get an actual genre going. I do think doom metal has been getting alot more love lately so that will be everyone's new fad for a few years or so
Even though there are a lot of snobs in metal
Of which I'm not one.....
Yngwie Malmsteen is a nice starting point for getting into neo classical power metal
.from there you can go bavkwards in to neo classical metal...since is a subgenre of the other.
@@katrinareminiec6838 I'll actually listen to them later on tonight thanks for the recommendation
@@TheSlicktyler you 're welcome
There is always room for something different. just gotta keep your mind open to all possibilities.
I also feel that there isn't any place for metal to really go anymore, I really hope thats not the case, I don't think metal will ever die though, as long as their are stories to tell and crunchy riffs to write its not going anywhere.
*there. Spelling is hard for the illiterate.
As you mentioned 'White Metal', which currently is only Black Metal with christian lyrics. I was thinking that there could be a real distinct subgenre acting as the "opposite" of Black Metal, a real distinct White Metal. Riffs would be more church like and heroic feeling with for example added organs and the vocals would be Gregorian chanting. Something like the clean parts of Batushka or this video: /watch?v=JDyT0B7rKPQ For lyrics I imagined something that would use the perspective of the "light side" but as I'm not really a fan of religions it would show their faults with tongue in cheeks lyrics.
Metal always seems to evolve into new sub genres. And I think a new one is on the way.
I tend to see the entirety of metal as a sort of spider-web of genre crossovers and mixups, resulting in a huge variety of pretty unique bands out there. Beyond this web, I feel comfortable saying that Metal fuses pretty well with other genres, leading to even more variety beyond the web. I can imagine these fusions can themselves cross back over into the web of metal subgenres and mixes of subgenres and create many more unique sounds.
Metal as a whole might not be able to get much more brutal, dark or evil, but there is still plenty of potential for uniqueness and experimentation I think.
Over-saturation is what I believe what causes certain subgenres to take a dip in popularity (if that's the right word here). Let's take the underground scene in the US today, as super technical death metal, atmospheric black metal and stoner/doom metal bands seem to be everywhere in the underground. For me personally, I feel it's a breath of fresh air to see a small resurgence of bands that play more in the likes of Riot/Riot V, Manilla Road, HammerFall, Running Wild and early Sanctuary. It shows that, at least here in the US, that Power/Speed/Traditional Heavy Metal isn't as cheesy and corny as one might think and can produce some really great quality bands if given the chance it needs (i.e. Visigoth, Vanlade, Silver Talon, Unleash The Archers, Holy Grail, Striker, etc).
please give more examples of death subgenres, you made me curious about that!
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Novembers Doom is a death/Doom metal band from Chicago,IKL
Visigoth is so great, songs Victory Queen and Steel & Silver are so fucking metal!
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My favorite is brutal death metal/slam metal, but i like all metal as long as its dope as fuck to me.
holy shit i love your gauntlets
Twisted sister , motley crue , and wasp was more extreme than just hair metal .
olskoollover01 I’ve always felt similarly, wondering just where the line is drawn to be a hair/pop metal band.
didn't know you liked "MIDNIGHT"...black n roll mate \m/
Really love that Immortal shirt, where did you get it from?
Gloryhammer have an album called 'Rise of the Chaos Wizards' which is sort of sci-fi fantasy based. Good album.
You don't always have to come up with something new because there's only so many themes and topics that can be addressed in the world. I think the thing is presentation and execution that can take cliched stuff and still make it interesting and fresh each time while still retaining it's familiarity.
As for your suggestion about sci fi, plenty of bands have done that before. Though there is a sub-genre of metal called cyber metal which focuses most of it's lyrical themes around cyberpunk literature and culture. The sub-genre mainly gets it's influence from the bands Strapping Young Lad, Meshuggah, Sybreed, and Fear Factory. Though it does mix in a lot of melodic death metal influences, industrial, atmospheric, EBM/aggrotech, and even black metal sometimes. I'd highly recommend checking out bands and projects like Illidiance, Sympuls-E, Neurotech, Cypecore, Assimilate, and Black Comedy for starters. Mechina is also a great band if you're looking for more epic stuff themed around sci fi in the vein of Warhammer 40k, Mass Effect, Halo, and other related franchises.
Groove Metal and Doom Metal
Metal is so much more and will always find a new form
As I look back, having been a teen in the US in the 80’s, could kind of see an evolution taking place. NWOBHW getting a foothold. Then the harder of the LA bands Crue, WASP, then the hair bands, and the hair bands exploded.
Well let’s face it, whenever a genre makes it into the mainstream it’s bound to die out sooner or later. Like Hair and Nu Metal (which I like both) they were just fads of the their time. Sungenres like death and black metal are for more of a “niche” audience. In other words, I don’t think Mayhem or Deicide are ever gonna be competing against Nicki Minaj for the number 1 spot on the billboard. As far as thrash goes, it’s not really a huge genre like it used to be. Mostly due to the fact that, when it came out people loved it because there had never been anything quite like it. But none of the newer bands are getting all that much attention. But you definitely can’t say thrash was a fad. Keep it loud and heavy people 🤘
If you want a great Sci-Fi album, listen to Terminal Redux by Vektor. They are an amazing Progressive Thrash band, and I think they would be right up your alley.
I would say simply cut the internal hate between the metal subgenres and see how metal lives and becomes great again :)
Right with you dude
Bro that immortal tshirt look bad ass
I'm a old metalhead and I've seen the birth of a lot of metal genres....death, melodic death, grind,death core,etc and have enjoyed all of them in my 30 plus years of listening to metal. I'm one of those who kinda throw it all in my "metal" collection dispite what they want to call it. I love seeing shows with a mix like thrash and stoner/ doom...you know shit like that. As far as another genre.... I don't think we need it.
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Polish Black Metal should be added to the list , they have their own unique sound and lyrics from some bands have nothing to do with norwegian or swedish black metal , etc .
bands like Mgła , Kriegsmaschine , Batushka , Furia , Plaga , Odraza could be included
Slamming fl00tal death metal (flute slam)? Does that exist?
Minks Rule not sure about flute slam, but banjo slam exists which is pretty cool :D
@@kiranjadhav6055 fuck yeah! Can you send me a link?
i personally love atmospheric black metal and DSBM
Roman metal would be a good idea.
Ex Deo
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Here's a suggestion for a couple of subgenres: Wiccan Metal...& Wiccan Power Metal
Psychedelic Death Metal needs to become a thing. I've been trying to find bands that fit that profile for a long time now with very little luck. Plenty come close, but are either overly technical, too mellow, or just too far one way or the other to be considered both Psychedelic AND Death Metal... I'm imagining a band(s) that combines elements of great death metal bands (Behemoth, Dying Fetus, early Morbid Angel, Death, etc), with maybe a tiny hint of tech death (Beyond Creation, Gorod, Obscura, Inferi, etc), but also have that spaced out, weird, almost atmospheric/visual type of thing going on that you hear from more progressive rock/metal or classic psychedelic rock/metal (Pink Floyd, Tool, Mastodon, Black Sabbath, Hendrix, etc). It sounds kinda crazy, but I want music that has that death metal "getting-completely-pulverized-into-the-earth" sound, but then transfers to a more psychedelic "warping-your-pulverized-remains-into-outer-space-approaching-a-black-hole" sorta sound, and vice versa lmao. If bands like this exist, I want to hear them, so any suggestions are welcome.
My top three favorite metal subgenres are Thrash Metal, Death Metal and Black Metal.
Same here.
I’d love to hear more bands mixing doom metal with a monastic sound and content like the band monasterium!
For Sci-Fi metal albums check out Vektor, Voivod, Nocturnus, or even early Iron Maiden (Caught Somewhere in Time ring a bell?).
I think that we’ll probably see some new subgenres. Nothing more extreme or brutal than death/black metal or heavier than doom metal, but I think that we’ll see some new lighter genres. In the same way that Black Sabbath kind of was different than all the other metal bands of the time and led to doom, I think that some of those bands out there that kind of don’t fit into the current genres may end up with something new, like Meshuggah and djent. Maybe there will be some new genre that’s like Rammstein or something (probably not a good example, but the first band off the top of my head that doesn’t really fit into an established genre that well).
Well, the music style of Rammstein has its own genre called Neue Deutsche Härte (New German Hardness)
I think there should be some ( post metal ) because I don’t think there are that many ideas that would stand out and spark a life into a new interesting genre
Obviously there is room for new subgenres.
For example: Kitchen metal
It is played with knifes and spoons and normal instruments. Singer sings about recipes. The sad songs will be about fucked up dishes.
Scar Symmetry, Allegaeon, Epica, Vektor, Vexovoid, Bloodshot Dawn and Irreversible Mechanism
are some amazing sci-fi metal bands and i guess Shadow of Intent as well
Machinae Supremacy's SiD metal has never seen the light of day.
Nice video game posters
Another great video. Please make a video on Doom metal.
Death/Black/Thrash Metal
Extreme Metal revival
Combining Old School with New School
There you go your on genre . that's how it starts with a thought and a new thing is born
Sub genres in metal might not expand but the sub sub genres could be a lot bigger. Imagine, neo classical black metal or some shit like that.
I don't know how you feel about Deathcore; but Rings of Saturn and Aversions Crown are all on top of that sci-fi thing. Personally though, I'm more a fan of Doom Metal, and Funeral-doom specifically.
Both Uriah Heep & REO Speedwagon ( Don't laugh) are the inspirations for Power Metal...
Check out visigoth's first album too. It's even a bit better in my opinion.
I ordered the boltthrowers from metaldevastation last year. There fucking awesome.
What gets me is that as time moves on, people start stripping the pioneers of these sub-genres, of their credibility. You see this with Black Sabbath, Venom, Metallica, Possessed, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost. Kids saying Possessed weren't death metal because they didn't sound like Cannibal Corpse lol. Venom doesn't have to be similar to Norwegian bands to be black metal. They predate them! Kill Em All was thrash in 1983. Just because Demolition Hammer are more brutal doesn't mean KEA stopped being thrash.
We need to just be creative
The birth of a new subgenre of music is not about a lyrical topic. It is about a new sound, new way how the music is played. The band experiments with it's sound a little bit and it could lead into a creation of a new wave of music. Kinda like with Black Sabbath, They didn't just said one day "Let's make this new kind of music and call it Heavy Metal". They just playedin their own weird way and music genre we all love just accidentally was born. From recent years, the only example I can think about is DJENT. Whatever you like it or not ( I personally don't like it) Meshuggah's style of playing was new and so crazy back then, that bunch of bands said "Wow, that's cool, we want to sound like that.".
Start a discord server plz
You Looked didn't look
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Shut up plz
There's a raw black metal discord server actually. It's pretty decent. Lot's of good bm recommendations. The only thing is that slurs are thrown out left and right lol.
I’m a huge fan of industrial black metal, bands like Psyclon Nine or Dawn of Ashes!
I dont think of hair metal as metal but i still like it
Make slam great again...👌
Shaun Mulville slam is great man
It's already awesome!
It's a meme....🐸👌
@ but I genuinely like slamming deathcore...
@ ikr
Doom metal, groove metal, goth metal, thrash, and sludge. Those are the best
Melodic death metal is also good
A good horror themed death metal band is Mortician.
The speed metal band scanner would be your best bet for a whole sci-fi album.
For sci fi metal, check out Helion Prime. Even if it's just to see that epic album cover xD
Excellent and thought provoking video as usual BMW. 'Hair Metal' pretty much killed metal for me back in the 80s. It wasn't until much, much later when I finally discovered serious European metal bands that I became a metalhead. I must admit I didn't like Kiss back then either and thought they were manufactured, gimmicky and not far removed from pop music. I like to ignore the sub-genres these days and give everything at least one listen. Cheers.
The music industry killed hair metal.
Rings of saturn and neptunus would be cool for sci fi
The only thing that can kill metal on the whole...the greediness of the record companies
I think metal still has potential to change and create new sonic palettes to create music with. I think as technology changes music and people change the music can change too. The only issue is that the majority of metal heads are older and want music like what they were listening to as teenagers and young adults, which means a lot of newer bands lose the attention of an already small pool of potential listeners. Metal is slowly becoming like jazz in that regard and metal will have to change, despite the elitists and purists to continue to capture the attention of younger listeners. I don't think it's possible for any of the already established subgenres to die off because they are not commercial to nearly the same extent as a lot of genres that have died and because in a lot of ways they are timeless. In the same way that the Blues speak to people, I think metal can too
Great SciFi albums
Singularity - Singularity (Technical Symphonic Black Death Metal)
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Vektor - Terminal Redux (Technical Black Thrash Metal)
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Their earlier album Outer Isolation is a master piece
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Metal found its corner and is happy there. It could step out at somepoint and find another subgenre but i thinks its very unlikely.
Someone said "cute metal is a new subgenre" and I wanted to leave this planet somehow...
Nice T-Shirt
I know a lot of ppl hate country but I think if u could take the good parts of country and make it metal that'd be fun to explore
Mortician focuses on horror and mortician is fucking rad
The Kristet Utseende "Count Dynamo Beirut"... I don't know what subgenre it is but it sounds metal, it doesn't sound like a hybrid genre, and it doesn't sound avant-garde.
Ey where do you get this damn fcking awesome looking armbands please tell me :O
I think for new genres to be born, at least ones that I'd like, you have to think outside the box. It has to be more than a lyrical theme or a stylistic theme. Anybody can make fucking elf metal, or cowboy metal, or whatever the fuck metal, but what we need to find a way to reinvent the genre from the ground up, like black metal did, like death metal did.
If the music quality stays good..there will always be metal..if not..it will be wiped out
What if you mixed Thrash/speed metall with Doom metal🤔🤔
It's funny, today I was thinking about slam. I thought of how 'slam' is not really a subgenre, but rather and umbrella term for brutal death/tech death/deathcore bands who incorporate certain elements (slam riffs, guttural vocals, etc.) into their music. Very similarly in that respect to how the word 'djent' is used. It started with Suffocation, who invented the slam riff, and who also pioneered guttural vocal styles (Frank Mullen). Then Devourment popularized brutal death and slam. Now we have bands like Ingested and Within Destruction who mix elements of brutal death with deathcore. But I don't think 'slam' on its own is really a subgenre. Most bands who define themselves as that are really either brutal death metal, deathcore, or sometimes tech death. Haha see how super micro-specific death metal can be?
CHECK OUT VEKTOR!! If you want scifi metal. Also check out Voivod, Nocturnus, wormrot, and vexovoid, to name a few.
Hmm I think that there are mostly going to be more "Sub""subgenres" like Post-Blafk metal not really a new subgenre in whole. I also don't think subgenres are going to die soon
An early factor in the growth of metal subgenres was the local metal scenes - the Swedish or Tampa Bay death metal scenes, for example, or Norwegian Black metal; this isn't as important, I'll venture, now that the internet has made it a lot more difficult for a local scene to evolve in relative isolation before suddenly appearing in public. But let's face it: THE biggest factor is just marketing: subgenres are largely just the gimmicks used to sell the second-rank, also-ran bands that follow in the footsteps of actual innovators and pioneers.
tracking with you on the first part about local scenes, then....what?
I have had an idea for a new subgenre, and it is actually quite original. Not a single band has done it before. I won't tell y'all about it bc someone might steal it.
Pop Metal ,Black metal Werewolf
Fuck yeah visigoth !
First of all: the real genres aren't defined by the topic,but by the sound. That's why pirate metal or vegetarian grindcore for example are made up genres. Pirate metal is basically pirate themed metal (could be any genre but from what I know it's mostly folk,which makes sense) and vegetarian grindcore is just grindcore talking about vegetarianism and how people are awful for eating animals etc,etc. While in real subgenres,the adjective defines the sound,not the topic which the band is talking about. So for example dissonant death metal IS a real subgenre,'cause it describes how the music sounds and it sounds,well...dissonant :v And since you're asking for sci fi metal,I could give you an example of sci fi THEMED metal,from different genres,'cause different bands in different genres have their own view on how to give their sci fi themed songs this sci fi vibe. There are going to be some similarities of course,but there's no overall pattern on how to give your song a sci fi vibe. While at the same time there is a pattern for making dissonant death metal,which is,well...using the dissonance.
So my favourite sci fi themed band of all time is Artificial Brain. And it's probably the most emotional death metal band you can possibly find. You'll get it once you listen to a track Estranged From Orbit for example (or any of their LP tracks,really).
The other examples,would be: Gigan (dissonant death metal),Vektor (progressive thrash metal),The Beast Of Nod (progressive death metal)
First person that can use a brain here
100% correct. Genre names simply define a sound.
Pirate metal was coined by Alestorm's frontman.." we play good Scottish pirate metal "
@@katrinareminiec6838 So what? Nowadays everybody can coin an empty term, like baby metal or nintendo core. Still doesn't make it actual genres.
@@GheeJuice baby metal isn't a metal genre at all..
It's the name of a Jpop girl group with a metal band baking them up !
There's plenty of room in metal for thirty more new genres
subgenres, not genres. Get smarter.
As a metalcore fan, Im oddly a fan of your channel
Listen to Galneryus-Raise my sword
I think that there's room for new combinations,but not new subgenres. For example, there's room for like folk slam (I don't know if that's a thing,but let's just say it's a new thing),but there's not a lot of room for a new actual subgenre like kilt metal (I don't know) or some shit
Can early Rock & roll be brought into Power Metal ( Metal as well ) depending on the band (s) or singer(s) / singing groups ?
Im 50 im just a metal head its al metal 2 me&i lov it all. But there is a big difference between black&Death metal period.
BMW, Could other genres of Rock music be brought into Metal/ Power Metal ?
Examples : British Invasion Bands & singers