Nas and Athers discuss England's defeat and Ali's retirement 🏴 | Sky Sports Cricket Podcast
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Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton discuss England's defeat to Sri Lanka at the Oval and Moeen Ali's international cricket retirement. Look out for part two of the Sky Sports Cricket Podcast featuring Ricky Ponting 🇦🇺
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premier league pundits need to watch these two gentlemen’s talk about sport
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Yep, they cater to the social media click bait BS . The difference in standards between the Sky Cricket analysis and football analysis is night and day .
I feel sorry for the newer England players. Imagine getting a chance to open the batting for England and being told you have to try and hit everything for six. Against the new ball. In September.
It’s a good job that not what is being asked of them, isn’t it!!!
Another one overreacting
Root was the only reason they won this series. Only Test he failed they lost
Congratulations to Sri Lanka they were superb. They played entertaining highly skillful, determined fired up cricket. Their batsman especially are very pleasing to watch. Wonderful strikers of the cricket ball. The hook for six, the cover drive to the fence, The Straight drive to the sight screen, the late cut to the ropes. They played with a enormous amount of talent and skill. Their bowlers normally their weak point. Was superb and used the English conditions to make the ball talk through the air and off the pitch. Making life very difficult in their England players own backyard. Although the Oval pitch in late summer behaves similar to a subcontinent pitch after a summer of the sun baking the pitch. So a more favourable pitch and maybe conditions greeted Sri lanka in late English summer. They took full opportunity. Now as a side note I have to be a bit critical of the big three cricket nations that is England, Australia and India. That is they tend to over rule the ICC when playing the lesser nations in terms of inviting them to fit into the schedule on home territory of the big three Eng,Aus and Ind. Teams like Sri Lanka which should be given series more often in England, Australia and India seem to have to wait a long time to get a series in the big three and when they two in Australia case only given mostly 2 tests. To their credit England has given two tests to Sri Lanka this time. But it isn't always the case. For example in last 15 years it seems Australia is invited for some one day or t20 series in England every year. When Australia could better use instead of doing another long flight to England outside the Ashes. Host one of the lesser nations in Australia at this time for a one day or t20 series. For example a New Zealand or West Indies or Pakistan can be invited to Australia to a series either in Darvin or in Melbourne at the indoor cricket stadium they have they could use during this time instead of Australia going and playing England again flying all the way to England again. It seems the big three determine in their schedule who they play and don't give enough chances to the nations outside the big three. Its like the big three is a seperate club from the rest of the smaller cricket nations with less financial resourses. Like Sri Lanka, West Indies, Pakistan, Bangladesh, NZ etc these nations deserve a fair go and to be invited more often. Especially teams like Sri Lanka deserve more chances to play test cricket and be invited more for longer series with England, Australia and India. Cricket is dominated by the big three and I would like to see that change to smaller nations get a bigger slice of the schedule when it comes to test, one day and t20 cricket series.
There are a few English batters who go into panic mode and play a bit village. Not sure why. Be professional, remember how good you are and take your time as it's a test match. This need to entertain the crowd is fine, but let your class shine through.
This “need to entertain” is the crux of the issue. Sports is a results driven business at the end of the day. Entertaining the public is a bonus. A luxury. If fans want entertainment, they can go to the movies. Or watch the dozens of shows on streaming services like Netflix and Hulu. They can go to the West End or book a ticket to New York to watch a Broadway musical. Don’t coming looking for entertainment in a cricket match or any sporting event.
I feel like people are focusing more on a England being complacent narrative than appreciating the fact that SL has an insanely high talent but inconsistent bunch of new kids playing (amongst the 2 uncles) who out of the blue played close to their potential. Nissanka and Kamindu both had FC averages of 60+ both clearly generational talents. Kusal Mendis a freak talent with zero discipline. Kumara a genuine 150kph bowler when fully fit, Vishwa a very talented yet inconsistent young left arm quick etc. On top of this there is a world cup winning warhorse in Mathews, Chandimal and coach ATG WC winning Jayasuriya recently taking over the coaching reigns.
Few weeks ago SL beat India thoroughly in an ODI series which no one expected either. Good to see Windies and SL resurgence cricket is richer for having these two once giants coming back into the fray.
They don't look anywhere near good enough to beat Australia or India on an away tour.
Those two teams are actually far closer to winning in England.
And yet they won't win in England
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Atherd looked completely high hangover eyes😂
So glad you two are doing these podcasts.
thanks for introducing Ben Elton from the backdrop Nas
It was galling to see us lose like that. It's like seeing a dog piss on its own food. It was so unnecessary. We literally threw a game away, through stupidity, appalling disrespect for the opposition, and sheer mindlessness! If that is Bazball, it's moronic! Give me a 200 run grind with Geoff Boycott and Chris Tavare any day. At least it's not embarrassing! It's like watching The Three Musketeers turning up for a fight so pissed and casual and irresponsible they haven't even brought their swords. Bazball is pure blagging! It's making it up on the hoof! When it works it looks great, when it fails (more times than not over time) you look the biggest, clumsiest oath in the world!
"Chris Tavare"
The guy who against Sri Lanka in 1984 made 14 from 95 deliveries? Who on earth wants to watch that?
@@theredraven That is putting it mildly. On one occasion on a perfect batting pitch Tavare was 40 after five hours during which he patted back half volleys, took evasive action from 60mph long hops, he hit no boundaries and even the singles he scored were not even forcing singles but a series of nudges and deflections. I can tell you it is the height of embarassing to see the fielding side posting a silly mid off and a silly mid on to a recognised batsman, well set with a ball sixty overs old.
The style of cricket England is now playing it’s very attractive it’s nothing short of excitement I personally think its doing the world off good for test cricket
How many Ben Elton books does Nasser own? Think I can see 3, but I suspect there's another 2 or 3 there. 😊
After the Oval Test last year Broad made a point of leaving the field with Moeen because he admires him so much
Again the same question.. Is the bazball working?
They will keep asking this
If u can't make it to WTC final , can't beat india and can't beat AUS.
Then u r doing nothing extraordinary, keep defeatimg minnows Pak Windies SL
They just fool English fans
There should be another question and that is did england played well to win the test series against SL??? The answer is no bcz in first test if SL had a bit of experience and if they would have got rid of root in 2nd innings england would have struggled to chase the target.
England were just marginally better to win the series.
Given the tremendous resources available to English cricket compared to the West Indies and Sri Lanka, for example, no.
It was one of the weakest England bowling groups ever. They never looking like bowling Sri Lanka out in the fourth innings. Chosen on hunches rather than looking at who's in form. I thought Hull was supposed to be fast but he was less than 80 mph for much of the time. County bowlers that are producing the goods week in week out are not getting a look in. Nasser and Athers won't criticise the setup or management in case they lose the chance to get a nice juicy ECB job offer.
England's booking stocks are average, Woods and Woakes close to mid 30s. They are taking a 29 year old to Pakistan, I'm not overly impressed with Bashir
Should be bowling😅
@@josephrelph5235And we could have still had Jimmy bowling 🤷
Probably wouldn't be as effective overseas but at least we wouldn't overbowl or rush some of the younger guys
GOOD on Nas always honest and fair
I would love to have seen Bazball aginst the West Indies. Not this West Indies 1980's West Indies. I can't tell how good the english are and I have been watching cricket for a long time. My suspicion is that they aren't as talented as many of the great sides before but they use Bazball to psychologically intimidate opposition which is fantastic tactically. Maybe man for man they are not that good Root is world class but who else?I think Bazball is an equalizer if not a winning tactic where teamwork can trump individuals, whereas it wouldn't work against 2000's Australia or 80's West Indies because they were that good individually. We will never know
Two world class players, one currently in the side. The rest range from developing to very good.
I don't have a problem with Bazball, and I prefer this era over Cook and Root any day where we were terrified of risking anything but I can't help but feel it is a tactic that could only work in this era, where the quality of test cricket players is generally poor (despite them being "360 players", blah, blah). You can get away with it now. However it does seem to be used as an excuse to take no responsibility at all which I can't abide. That amazing fact that Ben Duckett left one ball all series, as an opener. That just tells me that he doesn't have the capability to leave a ball, so adopts a tactic to hide his flaws as a batsman. It's a pretty damning indictment of his technical ability but it works and his average is good because he can hit the ball and there are not enough quality bowlers around to expose it. Of course we have one world class batsman and he has pretty much been making hay for the last 3 years.
The very fact these gentlemen whom I love listening to.. are so sold that this team was ruthless and there was a 2.0 .. considering they are playing a very very young west indies team and a srilankan team which has hardly played tests in the last 4-5 years... pretty much says how much this is a rob key show.... 7-8 batsmen getting caught in the outfield and one out ramping to the keeper in a third innings of a test and these guys say every team has a bad day... bad days is where u just try and results don't come... India got bowled out for 36 and they pretty much nicked everything and all were taken... or u get bowled out in a rank Turner or a green top that is called a bad day not this !!!.very disappointed with their analysis ...
Defeating hapless test teams at home is the definition of very good home season for Athers. This loss against Sri Lanka itself makes it a pretty ordinary home test season for England.
I love listening to Athers and Nass but its pretty evident they are just cheerleaders of English cricket and bazball
Did you watch this? Sri Lanka arent hapless. They have great batters and good fast bowlers. Not nearly as good as India but would give Pakistan or New Zealand a good game
Atkinson will surely get the nod over Woakes in Australia. He has that pace that will help. But thats still some time away. Interesting to see how he fares in Pakistan if he is fit. Would like to see whether he can get to reverse swing in those flat pitches
With no Wood,no Stokes,no Jimmy,no Mahmoud,Enngland look lite for upcoming tours.Lawrence not a test batsmen so lots needed to be done
If Root is not performing this Eng Batting lineup is really ordinary, Pope Idk how he captaining this side, Brook will expose Against fast bowling, Crawley is Good And Duckett is 30s 40s Player
The Sri Lankan batsmen showed that if you have good technical skills then you can succeed against supposed better opposition. Unfortunately the majority of England's batsmen, Root excepted don't have a solid technique, they don't move their feet correctly and rely on big bats and strength. Without the basic skills you'll always get found out against a good bowling attack, yes slogging will get you some results- anyone can have a lucky day but ultimately you'll get found out as was shown in India
Josh Hull is barely good enough to play in the Leicestershire first XI, he shouldn’t be anywhere near this team!
Disagree - He is a left fast bowler with genuine pace and swing. He is going to be another Mitchell Starc. I felt bad for him as he wasnt 5 day cricket fit and he ran out of juice. With Atkinsons injury he was in a bad position. He will go on tour.
@@russelltrezise7155if he isn’t fit then he shouldn’t be near the side
@@russelltrezise7155 He took 3 for 30 and 2 for 44 for EL against Sri Lanka including the top three Sri Lankan batsmen.
@@sampenno4368 he wasnt injured. I will keep this comment handy the first time he takes a 5 for.
Well said Nas around the 5 min mark.
Harry Brook had an unbelievable start to his test career and this Sri Lanka series was the first time he had a few bad innings back to back. I am not worried about his lack of runs this series which happens to every batsman but my concern is how he tries to play risky shots all the time without respecting the conditions or opposition bowlers. He looks to be in a hurry to get boundaries so I feel if he can just curb his instincts then he will be back to scoring big runs like he has right from start of his test career to before this series.
Look even against Australia except couple of innings he had a very average series' and he had a sort of lucky escape as he missed the series,so while his potential is definitely not questionable ,but I think he has some issues to sort out similar to what Shubman Gill has...Harry brook still Long way to go in terms of being consistent...
Pietersen had the same problem at one stage in his career but he worked it out and scored consistently as did Gower, Gooch, Trescothick etc and I'm sure Harry Brook will do the same.
jimmy needs to get a hold of thon lad hull and get him to cut down that ridiculously long run up ,as he,s using up far to mucn energy for a youngster just starting out on his career.
I watched him at Worcester last month and it's the first thing i noticed. He doesn't accelerate to the crease just runs twenty metres at the same speed. If you and I spotted it straight away, what are the coaches doing? Probably just sitting with their feet up chuckling about how much money they are getting for doing nothing.
Atleast Mooen Ali should play 2025 Ashes🔥🔥🔥🔥
Looking forward, the litmus test will competing in an Ashes series in Aussie. Are they capable of taking 20 wickets consistently? I believe the batting will take care of itself with plenty of options to prosper on hard fast decks. As a kiwi with no real skin in the game I cannot wait.
England's batsmen were a joke , they were batting like it was the hundred or a 20/20 match.
Watching Atherton and Nazzar going old is surely sad.
Successful summer? Beating minnows and they are happy.. vs aus and ind their true worth will be shown
Well can you do much more than beat them?
Both of those "Minnows" won test matches against Australia in the last two years, including one at the Gabba.
@theredraven west indies won by a very thin margin.. srilanka won by 8 wickets.. and srilanka beat Australia in srilanka only
@@theredraven winning test match against a country after 25 years is still a shame
Nasser Hussain trying his level best to justify that SL is a better Test team than a single win in the series whereas Mike is trying his best to justify that Eng lost due to too much Test matches, etc lol. The truth is that SL could have easily won the series 2-1 , had Pathum played the 1st Test. So SL could have won the very first game even without any adaptability to the so called conditions and duke ball. Sri Lankan selection blunders helped Eng to win the series.
Seen plenty of times that this England test team act too arrogant thinking they'll blow away the opposition when they're on top. Sometimes you just gotta respect the game of cricket & the opposition or else they can come back to bite you.
I don’t see arrogance, I see the opposite. The innings of Lawrence in particular looked like a very nervous person who was desperately trying to show the management that he ‘bought in’ to the philosophy, regardless of whether it’s the best way to go about things in the moment.
The reaction is OTT but I'd wager that it's the way England talk about themselves and the game as much as the way they actually play that contributes to that. Their rhetoric is so obnoxious that people are champing at the bit to pile into to them when they lose.
Well done lad, give yourself a pat on the back. You just couldn’t wait to have a snidey little dig at the England team. I bet it was the highlight of your day. Congrats
@@Mister_H. I didn't insinuate a single thing that I didn't say out straight in my comment so I don't know where you got snide from and my mood or self worth aren't dependent on the successes and failures of sports teams or indeed online debates. My statement stands for itself it's a relatively widely held opinion about a cricket team nothing more. By all means disagree with it but you're assuming layers that simply aren't there.
Why is Johnny Bairstow not being picked? So strange! He’s one of England’s best batsman still down the order.
Also, Matt Potts and Hull don’t look anything special. Jimmy Anderson still better than both
Didn't u watch his previous series against IND
No he still has 14 hundreds
@@snehalkhatri9357I don't think teams should judge their batsman by performance in tests in India, that's almost impossible place to perform unless they re some greats like joe root or steve smith
The stand-in captain Pope didn't have a clue.
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Lol couldn't they have waited for the white ball team and Pakistan tour squad announcments?
I think they are wrong in praising England's efforts this summer. In the final test match they were for the first time without Anderson, Wood and Broad. The England attack is now, and will continue to be, no better than average. So England should have been aware that there was no longer a first class attack to back up the fragility of over attacking batsmanship. They now had to play responsibility. They failed miserably to adjust, and were predictably thrashed.
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PLEASE Explain or try to explain the logic of test cricket compared to the chaotic batting of POPE and Lawrence where they threw the bat at deliveries that never needed a play at all England were throwing wickets away one after the other in pathetic fashion.. I only see one tthing and that is it was deliberate . WHY is my question.?
With regard to the comment about Bashir. Let me suggest that his control is so poor that he couldnt hit the bowlers' footprints except by accident. For an offspinner to be so inaccurate at this level is astonishing. And no-one points out the unclothed Emperor, although Ponting let is slip in an interview that Bashir is inaccurate.
What they're both missing is this version of the England team (and it will pass) is very unlikeable from the public pronouncements they make, especially the bats. The harping on the overall record sits badly too. Yes they've beaten the bad teams but they drew the Ashes despite home advantage and were humiliated in India. The upcoming series vs India and Oz will tell us whether they're as good as they seem to think they are. I'm betting that Stokes' final record will be no better than Root's.
It was 1 poor result out of the whole summer. This defeat was down to reckless batting, exemplified by Dan Lawrence. I also thought Jamie Smith was wrong to play the shot he did last ball before tea. If he'd stayed in he may have been able to bat with the tail & maybe extend the lead over 250 which may have proved a much tougher chase for Sri Lanka. That aside he has been excellent. I'm a big fan of 'Bazball' but there's a fine line between batting positively & throwing your wicket away recklessly. They need to cut that out as you certainly can't score any runs when you're back in the pavilion.
No disrespect to the opposition, but we should really be going 6-0 this summer against weaker, less experienced and less economically supported teams.
Complacency, tiredness, whatever the reason. It's unprofessional and it's just going to get exposed over and over against world class teams
These guys are talking about England being complacent. Not true. Sri Lanka outplayed England. Sri lanka is a very skillful side. If it is a 5 test series Sri Lanka will win the series as they are getting used to conditions. Bazzball is a fad. The Great West Indian fast bowlers would have taken Bazzball apart at the seam.
Bazball is all about money. Bums on seats, lack of nuance, T20 and The Hundred make loads of money. Ideal for short attention span titillation. All at the exoense of traditional ultra hard grinding test cricket. It will never be the same again sadly.
The problem is with some who watch and some who write on it they just can't help themselves from having a go. If you'd been in the trenches with these people, you'd make dam sure they went out first. The drivel they spout at times is cringeworthy.
Not a great deal to discuss really,we were outplayed by the better team..Bet Australia are shitting their pants in anticipation of facing our squad in the next Ashes..
Eng second inns 😮
Did Athers have a heavy night? Sounds a bit horsey! :)
What a tough summer for BAZBALL, mighty Windies and SL visiting England
I m waiting for Next three series BAZBALL going to play
Vs NZ in NZ
Vs Ind in Eng
Vs AUS in AUS
Lets see what thesee guys do in these series's
They will loose all three 😂😂
Remember SL never plays in English condition and with Dukes ball. WI test side is not what it used to be.
If SL had 5 match series they might have shot at winning it.
you don't even realise they play away to Pakistan next month!
Well sri lanka did much better than any indian team touring england and they have always played better than india
@@surasthahennayake4214 india just draw the last test series in eng 2-2 and one match was washed out with india needing only 152 to chase in last ininings
Your memory is very short 😂😂😂😂😂😂
England's bowling attack is mediocre, Australia will smash them in Australia. Ollie Pope is average, England did miss Crawley, and Stokes Captaincy
Josh Hull was a big disappointment, though not unexpected as he's only played 11 FC games. Way too early to be playing Test cricket.
Is the Pakistani test series on Sky?
No it's on Moon
I know Athers looked very emotional today. I hope both Athers and Nasser cheer up in the next podcast. Cheers guys and keep going with everything whatever you both do 😊. Nasser falling down the chair is the highlight of the summer 😂😂. Thank you very much guys ❤❤. Life is to short ❤❤
England arw playing Reckless Cricket under Bazzball.
The best team won. England snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory. The way the English team underestimated a very good Sri Lankan team and particularly the way the B.B.C. commentators and pundits did not give the visitors due credit is most annoying.
A moral defeat…
They concerned about Ashes but ignoring the bilateral bully India coming to town next year😂
Moeen might have been a nice guy but in the end a batting average of 28 is very poor, (the same as Mark Ramprakash). A bowling average of 37 is also very poor considering he was often played as England's main (& only) spinner. England only played well in the 2019 World Cup when Moeen was dropped. Nice guy and a great beard but he should have been retired from international cricket many years ago.
Why doesn't Nasser wear a proper shirt when doing these shows?
Pakistan is a very arrogant team
Not a good look regarding the Ashes. They will get destroyed downunder.
Abe jao Yaar aik match eng hargya to tumhara mun bngya hamein Dekho Pak to jeet hi nhi parha😢😢😢