I want one, for it's comfort, technology, long maint intervals, even its looks, but at nearly $30k, it's unattainable for me. It'd be interesting to see it out on a track compared to my 2015 S1000XR. The XR is lighter and modified to 170 whp, so it may not be a fair fight after all.
At twice the price of your XR, ... I ride a 2019 model XR, and see no reason to trade it in. I payed 17k in may 2020 for this brand new showroom bike, it was standing in the showroom next to the new model.
while i’m a bmw guy and a huge fan of yours the ducati has more tech apples to apples my dealer is stocking s1000xr’s for just under 22 still a bargain when just looking at prices and specs. of course like you there will be a ducati rider with a modified pikes peak bombing around
The bikes looks the same, but they do not have the same philosophy. I used to drive the bmw and i switched on the PP. The PP is a kind of huge supermoto, may be we could call it the V4 hypermotard. The bmw is more like a roadster with different handlebar and footpeggs. I know what you do on track with your bmw, and i am not sure you could reach those perf with the PP.
Paying $400 extra for the heated grips and $1,000 extra for the saddle bags is ridiculous on a $29,000 bike. I guess they figure if you got this amount of 'fuck it' money then it's no problem.
Bags are $950 for my KTM--essentially the same price. Bags with key matched to bike and easy removal or attachment integrated into the bike with no add-on hardware is slick. "Ask your doctor: Ducati videos may not be for you." ;)
@@tomtraynor5384 Is your SAS or SAR $29,000? No, it's $10,000 cheaper. So, I would say that throwing $950 at a $19,000 bike is a bit different then throwing $950 at a $29,000 bike that already has everything, but the kitchen sink. (And heated grips and a center stand.)
@@AkumuX For sure they are becoming the Italian Harley (too expensive0--but imma gonna grab one anyways! I can always come. back to KTM if they get a properly updated sport tourer GT going again in USA. Probably could sell the Pikes Peak and grab the new KTM for no money lost. Probably both have sketchy electronics as maybe Bosch or whoever is producing them for both brands?
$30k for a bike that’s not any better than the $20k model from 2 years ago? Seriously KTM, bring the SDGT back to the US, I need a new sport touring bike.
I've owned a 2013 and currently own a 2017 MTS. I desperately wanted the PP to be my next bike. But $29k and it's not laying down as much power as the last gen S1000XR? Seriously? A 5 year old Tuono will embarrass it on a dyno? At this price point the PP needs to be the undisputed king of the category. And I'm sorry, it's not and all of its claims are manufactured. "It's much sharper than the standard MTS." Well, Ducati has been softening the MTS since 2015. The 2010 - 2014 versions of the bike were sharp, raw, and plenty sporty. 2015 we get DVT which smoothed out the power delivery (it's quite nice actually). But then they lengthen the wheel base with the 1260. Then drop a 19" front wheel on the V4. Well yeah, if you go back to 2014 geometry, swing arm, and wheel size the new PP is quite the sharper bike. Duh. "It has 170hp". No it doesn't. Just like the 2017 doesn't have 150hp and the 1260 doesn't have 160hp. A last gen S1000XR claiming 160hp will dyno an honest 150 at the rear wheel. I'd wager that my 2017 won't dyno 130hp. Maybe just. And I'm running the full Termi exhaust and factory race tune. Ducati is in the habit of updating their marketing materials more than the actual outcomes of their engineering. Hey guys, at $30k for a bike, can we fix the fuel sensors please???!!!! That said, I love my 2017 and it's 7th generation fuel sensor that is still broken. I have no intention of getting rid of it. Especially now. I was disappointed with the V4 S and its front wheel. I was hoping the PP was going to rectify that. But this price point, for what you're getting, it's just not compelling enough. I'm again disappointed. I suspect there will be plenty of opportunity to pick one of these up as a left over. I might be a buyer in the low low 20's. Don't forget, you gotta add panniers, heated grips, heated seat, a full exhaust, and a real windscreen to this thing. A new S1000XR is much better value for money. Perplexing. Why hasn't Aprilia put longer suspension on a V4 Tuono yet? The standard model of that would smoke a PP in a review. Let alone a factory model.
Idk. 145 at the wheel seems low. It’s exactly 15% drive line loss. But my limited understanding, is that chain drive motorcycles, shouldn’t experience drive line losses that high. That’s for cars and trucks. Chain drive is one of, if not the most efficient ways to transfer power to a wheel. Losses should be 8-10% at most. Again, based on my research and understanding. All that to say with the lower torque numbers than the old L-twin, combined with the price, and this motor’s apparent need to rev, I might be looking for a left over 1260 at a deep discount.
I have 2020 1260 PP and there is nothing here to make me want to trade for the V4 and only 145 Bhp lol ,I'll stick with 130 bhp and enough torque to pull a semi .
I’ll stick with my BMW. It doesn’t need a Race mode. I put it dynamic pro and wear out some twisties on these mountain roads. And comfort, it’s a GSA. That says it all.
Good review! I'm also 5'-7" & there's no way I can flat foot this or any contemporary adv bike. Plus I'm just not a fan of all the tech beyond ABS. I'll stick with my ancient, but owner serviceable, MTS. Even Rembo's reconsidering his purchase of one!
Beautiful piece of machinery ... borderline artwork, however I have experienced issues personally re: reliability / exhaust/chain rusting prematurely which has tainted my trust in Ducatis
Not sure what "artwork" is but in love the graphics--my opinion. Chains are 100% NOT a bike manufacturer produced item. They source a standard chain from an existing chain manufacturer--like every bike. Owner responsibility? Maybe you ride in salt? Maybe you simply don't want a chain. There are driveshaft options. Never had a exhaust from any of my KTMs or Ducati's rust--but I will "fix" that in short order: Akrapovic "Race" system--why stop spending money now? ;)
I want one, for it's comfort, technology, long maint intervals, even its looks, but at nearly $30k, it's unattainable for me. It'd be interesting to see it out on a track compared to my 2015 S1000XR. The XR is lighter and modified to 170 whp, so it may not be a fair fight after all.
Wait some months and buy one used at 20k…
At twice the price of your XR, ...
I ride a 2019 model XR, and see no reason to trade it in. I payed 17k in may 2020 for this brand new showroom bike, it was standing in the showroom next to the new model.
while i’m a bmw guy and a huge fan of yours the ducati has more tech apples to apples my dealer is stocking s1000xr’s for just under 22 still a bargain when just looking at prices and specs. of course like you there will be a ducati rider with a modified pikes peak bombing around
BMW usually holds it value better so the used market should be very competitive when you compare both.
The bikes looks the same, but they do not have the same philosophy. I used to drive the bmw and i switched on the PP.
The PP is a kind of huge supermoto, may be we could call it the V4 hypermotard. The bmw is more like a roadster with different handlebar and footpeggs. I know what you do on track with your bmw, and i am not sure you could reach those perf with the PP.
I like the "big" V2 Engine on the 1260
I have a 1260, the low down torque is stupendous, I’ve never needed to redline it in 20000 miles.
Paying $400 extra for the heated grips and $1,000 extra for the saddle bags is ridiculous on a $29,000 bike.
I guess they figure if you got this amount of 'fuck it' money then it's no problem.
Bags are $950 for my KTM--essentially the same price. Bags with key matched to bike and easy removal or attachment integrated into the bike with no add-on hardware is slick. "Ask your doctor: Ducati videos may not be for you." ;)
@@tomtraynor5384 Is your SAS or SAR $29,000? No, it's $10,000 cheaper. So, I would say that throwing $950 at a $19,000 bike is a bit different then throwing $950 at a $29,000 bike that already has everything, but the kitchen sink. (And heated grips and a center stand.)
@@AkumuX For sure they are becoming the Italian Harley (too expensive0--but imma gonna grab one anyways! I can always come. back to KTM if they get a properly updated sport tourer GT going again in USA. Probably could sell the Pikes Peak and grab the new KTM for no money lost. Probably both have sketchy electronics as maybe Bosch or whoever is producing them for both brands?
Hands down, your best speaking review yet. We’ll done Mr. Gilbert. Very professional.
Please review 2022 MV Agusta f3 rr
$30k for a bike that’s not any better than the $20k model from 2 years ago?
Seriously KTM, bring the SDGT back to the US, I need a new sport touring bike.
I agree, I am hoping the ‘22 Super Duke GT is delivered to the US…
Would like to see a 950 Pikes Peak with streetfighter cams and 17 inch front wheel, performance of the streetfighter and comfort of the Multistrada
I've owned a 2013 and currently own a 2017 MTS. I desperately wanted the PP to be my next bike. But $29k and it's not laying down as much power as the last gen S1000XR? Seriously? A 5 year old Tuono will embarrass it on a dyno? At this price point the PP needs to be the undisputed king of the category. And I'm sorry, it's not and all of its claims are manufactured.
"It's much sharper than the standard MTS." Well, Ducati has been softening the MTS since 2015. The 2010 - 2014 versions of the bike were sharp, raw, and plenty sporty. 2015 we get DVT which smoothed out the power delivery (it's quite nice actually). But then they lengthen the wheel base with the 1260. Then drop a 19" front wheel on the V4. Well yeah, if you go back to 2014 geometry, swing arm, and wheel size the new PP is quite the sharper bike. Duh.
"It has 170hp". No it doesn't. Just like the 2017 doesn't have 150hp and the 1260 doesn't have 160hp. A last gen S1000XR claiming 160hp will dyno an honest 150 at the rear wheel. I'd wager that my 2017 won't dyno 130hp. Maybe just. And I'm running the full Termi exhaust and factory race tune. Ducati is in the habit of updating their marketing materials more than the actual outcomes of their engineering. Hey guys, at $30k for a bike, can we fix the fuel sensors please???!!!!
That said, I love my 2017 and it's 7th generation fuel sensor that is still broken. I have no intention of getting rid of it. Especially now. I was disappointed with the V4 S and its front wheel. I was hoping the PP was going to rectify that. But this price point, for what you're getting, it's just not compelling enough. I'm again disappointed. I suspect there will be plenty of opportunity to pick one of these up as a left over. I might be a buyer in the low low 20's. Don't forget, you gotta add panniers, heated grips, heated seat, a full exhaust, and a real windscreen to this thing. A new S1000XR is much better value for money.
Perplexing. Why hasn't Aprilia put longer suspension on a V4 Tuono yet? The standard model of that would smoke a PP in a review. Let alone a factory model.
I hear you loud and clear on the Fuel Sensors. I have a 2010 MTS, just changed the sensor - now off to have the ECU flashed.
Good review, mines coming next month 🕺🏿🕺🏿🤸🏼♀️🤸🏼♀️😊👍🇬🇧
Idk. 145 at the wheel seems low. It’s exactly 15% drive line loss. But my limited understanding, is that chain drive motorcycles, shouldn’t experience drive line losses that high. That’s for cars and trucks. Chain drive is one of, if not the most efficient ways to transfer power to a wheel. Losses should be 8-10% at most. Again, based on my research and understanding. All that to say with the lower torque numbers than the old L-twin, combined with the price, and this motor’s apparent need to rev, I might be looking for a left over 1260 at a deep discount.
Great bike. I´ve done only 1000miles yet but are really happy
I have 2020 1260 PP and there is nothing here to make me want to trade for the V4 and only 145 Bhp lol ,I'll stick with 130 bhp and enough torque to pull a semi .
Great bike! Love it! But I’ll buy the Bimmer and use the extra money for a patio…
I’ll stick with my BMW. It doesn’t need a Race mode. I put it dynamic pro and wear out some twisties on these mountain roads. And comfort, it’s a GSA. That says it all.
Good review! I'm also 5'-7" & there's no way I can flat foot this or any contemporary adv bike. Plus I'm just not a fan of all the tech beyond ABS. I'll stick with my ancient, but owner serviceable, MTS. Even Rembo's reconsidering his purchase of one!
Many want to know if the V4 Pikes Peak is worth upgrading from the 1260 Pikes Peak. Could you test both back to back at the track?
you complaining about the windshield....?! You can buy a larger one for under 100 $
Great review!!
Pikes peak has a single side swing arm vs regular one in v4. I guess the review missed that.
Nice and comprehensive without rambling. Great video!
This makes me want to give up sport bikes so bad...
Recon i’d be a very proud owner & would like to be buying one ☝️
the v2 was much better
Nice review thanks.
Beautiful piece of machinery ... borderline artwork, however I have experienced issues personally re: reliability / exhaust/chain rusting prematurely which has tainted my trust in Ducatis
Not sure what "artwork" is but in love the graphics--my opinion. Chains are 100% NOT a bike manufacturer produced item. They source a standard chain from an existing chain manufacturer--like every bike. Owner responsibility? Maybe you ride in salt? Maybe you simply don't want a chain. There are driveshaft options. Never had a exhaust from any of my KTMs or Ducati's rust--but I will "fix" that in short order: Akrapovic "Race" system--why stop spending money now? ;)
Super nice
how well did the Ducati Connect work?
HAHAHAHAHAH. That's funny.
@@CecilBrian so it's that bad?
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just buy a rav4. it gets better mpg, tires last more than 3 years, will last past 200k miles, no protective gear needed...
Lol