Based on the footage out there, it seems like the trial was a complete waste of taxpayers money. No jury would convict without massive mitigating factors. But also, how on earth did the judge feel it was right to release the copper’s name to the media?
If it hadn't gone to court, there would have been accusations of a cover up. At least now, he has been been found not guilty by a jury. However, he now lives under the threat of harm to him and his family. He should never have been named unless found guilty.
No one’s going to harm him these gangs like shooting each other even his friends was probably shaking their head when they’ve seen that he tried to ram armed police
I think that if any member of the public is killed by the police then there should be a process that is similar to how the HSE investigate industrial accidents In industrial accidents it is the company that is investigated and the directors held accountable and prosecuted Individual employees can also be prosecuted if they had also been negligent The aim of the chief police officers should be to have procedures where armed police can complete their objectives without discharging their weapons. Individual police officers shouldn't be thrown under the bus if they have been following their procedures
I understand the deep sorrow for losing there son but to say the not guilty verdict was an injustice is just disgraceful. Being a person of colour I’m deeply ashamed that these people are using this to say this is an injustice against black people. Nothing is further from the truth.
Yes, Chris Kaba was being confronted because of criminal activity, nothing at all do with any racism, that’s ridiculous…and actually it sounds like racism from the people who are judging the decision…..
@@DavidJones-ww9yb Unfortunately this is precisely how some people deal with grief, even when it’s not a case like this. I know many people who have suffered the loss of a loved one who just lashed out at the most convenient person.
He was "armed" he had a massive SUV which he was driving aggressively into police cars endangering police officers. He knew it was the police and they were armed
The police are nonetheless responsible for their actions. As was said during the trial in the officer's defence 'the police are not robots'. As you say, the police were heavily armed so, were not in great danger from one man in a car. At no point does the courts reconstruction show Kaba's car trying to run them down. The police cars in front of Kaba's car were empty. The officer driving the car behind him was not in great danger from a car reversing into the front end of his police car.
The UK has practically the lowest rate of police killings in the entire world, only Japan and 4 countries too small to be statistically significant had fewer killings by police per 10 million people. However, our incredibly safe police force cannot remain safe if the burden of gang culture increases. Gangsters like Kaba create an environment of chaos that will lead to wrongful police killing. Drill and gang culture has become normalised and platformed. We live in a country with free housing and welfare, there is no excuse for gangs and street violence, the politics of America do not apply here. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_annual_rates_and_counts_for_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers
Although we have a welfare system there is still massive social inequality, particularly economic and social mobility, which produces such gang culture. The same is true in many Western nations.
@@andybeans5790 can you name a country where the same isn't true and that doesn't have a similar gang problem? My point is, gang culture is not about surviving poverty, it's about cheating social mobility through violence. Most drill barely mentions "economic struggle", it might mention growing up in the hood, before quickly moving on to graphic references about how the artist murders their opposition.
Are some on here saying the police should treat black members of the community differently to other members of the same community??? This can never happen.
It is right and proper that a police officer’s name should be withheld unless a guilty verdict is returned by the jury and am pleased that Yvette Cooper has now said this will happen. Of course, there are bent policemen, but in this instance the officer was carrying out his duty. I guess it does beg the question should Chris Kaba’s criminal history have been allowed to be disclosed to the jury? I see both sides of the argument, but if that was allowed, it would have pretty much halted the trial, which then begs the very question which is the topic of this video.
Exactly. It was his choice to enter the world of criminality. Of course police will be involved in his life, Making better choices who have kept him alive….
The case should never have gone to court but justice was done, police officer not guilty and doing his job. Kaba was a hit man for criminal gang so maybe his family should look at themselves as parents.
Setting aside whether the case should have been brought or not, i think the judge was correct to exclude the reporting of Kaba's history given that the police were unaware that he was the driver of the vehicle, its not relevant to the assessment of the officer's conduct.
Idiotic to suggest the police should have a separate justice system. The former DPP Ken McDonald is correct that the law applies equally to everybody, irrespective of skin colour
This is the problem. He was a gang member and and part of a shooting the week before. The problem with this is there too many incidents where some firearms police officers should have been prosecuted. All of this creates division. I understand that Police are in a high pressured situation but there are various situations where the person shot were not part of a gang and law abiding citizens like the Menezes case and the former footballer Dalian Atkinson. Atkinson case did get a conviction but some officers can be accused of being a little too trigger happy.
Ridiculous that this came to trial, what a waste of tax payers money, and outrageous that the police officer had to go through all that. no winners in this other than the lawyers.
I think the citizens are the winners. The citizens now have more trust in the police and the juries and the system, which worked precisely as it should.
I think I'm right that ex copper Peter Bleksley said that we need a Royal Commission to sort out the police service to-day, as the police service is broken and needs to be brought up to date. I think that was what he said but it was not him.
The CPS prosecute if (1) the evidence is such that there is a reasonable prospect of success AND (2) a prosecution is in the public interest. It may be that the prospect of a conviction was borderline but it’s difficult to think of a trial that was more in the public interest. I disagree with Mr Hughes. Both the process and verdict should be welcomed by police firearm’s personnel. Future similar prosecutions are far less likely and justice has been seen to have been done. To the vast majority of the public the firearms unit have been tested to the extreme - and passed the test.
Should we be looking at the CPS and political bias? Is there a putative political stance; someone who thinks they will be able to point to their CPS record in pursuit of high political office. Irrespective of their father's occupation.
Two paths of thought. If it didn’t they whoever would have screamed and shouted ‘Cover up’. It has proved the point that if you play with fire you are going to get your hands burnt. What the guy who was killed did was crazy. A weapon can be many things in the hands of someone who intends to use it as one. The police officer should have his name protected. My condolences to the guys family for sure BUT sadly it was his own fault he was shot pure and simple.
Kaba's violent past was well known at the time of his tragic death. But was not mentioned by the Media, who preferred to try and engineer a George Floyd moment. Outrageous really.
If you'd actually listened, you'd know there were reporting restrictions around the case until yesterday, so as not to prejudice the trial. Also, learn to spell.
@@dannyquinn9128 Clearly I paid better attention than you. The restrictions were not imposed until the Officer was charged. There were nearly three weeks when it could have been reported. I knew all this two years ago. The BBC worked with the family to hush it up.
“I spoke to one of my contacts” = I spoke to someone in a position of privilege who has total disregard for DPA, GPDR and the Met Police’s code of ethics 🤔 oh yeah keep digging 😂
You'd have to think the London riots played a big role in the decision to bring this case forward. Senior political figures at the time showed sympathy for Kaba, including the mayor of London. The met have a terrible reputation due to the events of recent years, and rightly so, but there's needs to be accountability from politicians for the lack of funding which has led to a change from community policing to reactive or in the instance of lesser crimes (theft) no reaction at all.
@@bbuzz1687 how could he know Kaba was unarmed? How can you expect police to approach a gun crime vehicle without assuming it contains a gun? How can you expect them to just back off when it tries to ram away?
I'm coming into this episode without any familiarity as a foreigner, and honestly, beginning the account with his criminal history that as noted the officer wouldn't know, feels unduly prejudicial. That's not what a trial would be testing.
Yeah, the officer did know that a vehicle was flagged up but didn’t know who was in the vehicle. The question should be what information did the officer know at the time and how did it inform the justification of his actions. So I think it’s somewhat fortunate that it so happens to be a member of the gang they were looking for.
@@Knowingspy Who else other than a gang member would try and barge through an armed police cordon while driving a car linked to a shooting? Fortunate doesn't come into it
The family have got some nerve to say this is unjust, total victim mentality and lack of accountability. Maybe if they had held Kaba to account t he’d still be alive. Live by the sword, die by the sword
The police had no way of knowing that he was unarmed, they were briefed to stop a gun crime vehicle linked to a violent gang shooting. Kaba knew full well that driving a gun crime vehicle would put him at risk
@@gary4000 You are correct but, a bullet from a firearm will. How did the police take the action they did not knowing if the driver was the person they killed or if he was armed or not?
@@trevcollier8587I believe they took the action they did based on the fact he was endangering their lives by ramming a car into them in an attempt to flee.
Under the law is a car classed as “armed”? All these terms have legal definitions so if a suspect is in a car are they all to be considered “armed” now? If police stop an old granny for speeding is she going to be considered armed now?
@@jujutrini8412 In this context yes it is classed as a weapon, he was driving it at police. Once you threaten someone with an object, any object, it is classed as an offensive weapon.
First time I find myself disagreeing with the tone of The News Agents. Kaba was a bad man but we don't do Summary Justice in this country. Kaba was unarmed. `I felt threatened' isn't justification for shooting a man in the head.
Would you allow him to ram his way out, hit officers and potentially pedestrians or another car as he fled? It's not quite as simple as you have made it out to be
@@bbuzz1687 he was presumed armed, driving a vehicle wanted for serious gun crime. There is absolutely no way to confirm that a vehicle has no gun in it without a full search. If you think for a second police should risk death, shooting or just "let violent gangsters go" then you are not only delusional but part of the problem.
@@AnthonyBrown12324 It is a great pity that it would seem the more money you have to pay for fancy legal representation the more likely the guilty will be found not guilty.
Based on the footage out there, it seems like the trial was a complete waste of taxpayers money. No jury would convict without massive mitigating factors. But also, how on earth did the judge feel it was right to release the copper’s name to the media?
@mickeysmouse4800. Because he pleaded innocence. Judges don't like that... it makes their job more difficult.
Why should he have plead guilty for doing his job and keeping the community safer @@commonwunder
Inexcusable to release the policeman’s name before the verdict. Given him a life sentence despite his innocence.
If it hadn't gone to court, there would have been accusations of a cover up.
At least now, he has been been found not guilty by a jury. However, he now lives under the threat of harm to him and his family.
He should never have been named unless found guilty.
@@leegreenaway8006 And why is he under threat?
Because of the very Gangs Kaba belonged to.
I agree . He should not be named unless found guilty.
@@dorothyb. I disagree. If the officer is unfortunate enough to need investigation in future his reputation should be publically clear @ the onset
No one’s going to harm him these gangs like shooting each other even his friends was probably shaking their head when they’ve seen that he tried to ram armed police
Precisely my thoughts too.
I think that if any member of the public is killed by the police then there should be a process that is similar to how the HSE investigate industrial accidents
In industrial accidents it is the company that is investigated and the directors held accountable and prosecuted Individual employees can also be prosecuted if they had also been negligent
The aim of the chief police officers should be to have procedures where armed police can complete their objectives without discharging their weapons. Individual police officers shouldn't be thrown under the bus if they have been following their procedures
I understand the deep sorrow for losing there son but to say the not guilty verdict was an injustice is just disgraceful. Being a person of colour I’m deeply ashamed that these people are using this to say this is an injustice against black people. Nothing is further from the truth.
Yes, Chris Kaba was being confronted because of criminal activity, nothing at all do with any racism, that’s ridiculous…and actually it sounds like racism from the people who are judging the decision…..
@@DavidJones-ww9yb Unfortunately this is precisely how some people deal with grief, even when it’s not a case like this. I know many people who have suffered the loss of a loved one who just lashed out at the most convenient person.
He was "armed" he had a massive SUV which he was driving aggressively into police cars endangering police officers. He knew it was the police and they were armed
The police are nonetheless responsible for their actions. As was said during the trial in the officer's defence 'the police are not robots'. As you say, the police were heavily armed so, were not in great danger from one man in a car. At no point does the courts reconstruction show Kaba's car trying to run them down. The police cars in front of Kaba's car were empty. The officer driving the car behind him was not in great danger from a car reversing into the front end of his police car.
The problem is once again transparency..if there had been no case people would think iopc cover up as usual..
The UK has practically the lowest rate of police killings in the entire world, only Japan and 4 countries too small to be statistically significant had fewer killings by police per 10 million people. However, our incredibly safe police force cannot remain safe if the burden of gang culture increases. Gangsters like Kaba create an environment of chaos that will lead to wrongful police killing. Drill and gang culture has become normalised and platformed. We live in a country with free housing and welfare, there is no excuse for gangs and street violence, the politics of America do not apply here.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_annual_rates_and_counts_for_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers
Although we have a welfare system there is still massive social inequality, particularly economic and social mobility, which produces such gang culture. The same is true in many Western nations.
@@andybeans5790 can you name a country where the same isn't true and that doesn't have a similar gang problem? My point is, gang culture is not about surviving poverty, it's about cheating social mobility through violence. Most drill barely mentions "economic struggle", it might mention growing up in the hood, before quickly moving on to graphic references about how the artist murders their opposition.
@@anon1832 "cheating social mobility" suggests we have a different understanding of what that means.
@@andybeans5790 what's your understanding? I feel there is a range of attitudes from this part of society but a worrying extremism developing
He was unarmed and they didn't know it was him.
Waste of public money. It's CPS that need investigating.
Are some on here saying the police should treat black members of the community differently to other members of the same community??? This can never happen.
It is right and proper that a police officer’s name should be withheld unless a guilty verdict is returned by the jury and am pleased that Yvette Cooper has now said this will happen. Of course, there are bent policemen, but in this instance the officer was carrying out his duty. I guess it does beg the question should Chris Kaba’s criminal history have been allowed to be disclosed to the jury? I see both sides of the argument, but if that was allowed, it would have pretty much halted the trial, which then begs the very question which is the topic of this video.
Unarmed! He was driving a powerful car weighing 2 tonnes and ramming it against police vehicles and the police FFS.
The officer followed the protocols of when he is allowed to discharge a firearm. This prosecution was a disgrace.
How on earth did anyone at the cps think they had a 51% chance of winning this case.. Absolute waste of court time and tax payers money.
That guy was NOT 'murdered,' he died as he had lived.
The lad played silly games and won silly prizes and to put the fella through that in court is reprehensible
As are his family for their cynical denial that this reprobate was a gangster.
Exactly. It was his choice to enter the world of criminality. Of course police will be involved in his life, Making better choices who have kept him alive….
The case should never have gone to court but justice was done, police officer not guilty and doing his job. Kaba was a hit man for criminal gang so maybe his family should look at themselves as parents.
Setting aside whether the case should have been brought or not, i think the judge was correct to exclude the reporting of Kaba's history given that the police were unaware that he was the driver of the vehicle, its not relevant to the assessment of the officer's conduct.
Justice for her murdered son? He wasn’t murdered. The verdict was not guilty. 🤔
Apparently Martin Blake could still face charges of gross misconduct which quite frankly is wrong.
I cannot now see this going ahead. If it does then there’s a real danger of police withdrawing their labour.
@@buzzukfiftythree Some Firearm officers already have I believe and yes rank and file would and I wouldn’t blame them.
Many people seem to be celebrating in the knowledge that the streets have now become a safer place ......
How do the family feel about the guy their son shot?
He was probably acting in a disrespectful manner.
Idiotic to suggest the police should have a separate justice system. The former DPP Ken McDonald is correct that the law applies equally to everybody, irrespective of skin colour
It's disgusting coming from the leader of USA
This is the problem. He was a gang member and and part of a shooting the week before. The problem with this is there too many incidents where some firearms police officers should have been prosecuted. All of this creates division. I understand that Police are in a high pressured situation but there are various situations where the person shot were not part of a gang and law abiding citizens like the Menezes case and the former footballer Dalian Atkinson. Atkinson case did get a conviction but some officers can be accused of being a little too trigger happy.
Best not to repeat police officer's name in media?
Ridiculous that this came to trial, what a waste of tax payers money, and outrageous that the police officer had to go through all that. no winners in this other than the lawyers.
I think the citizens are the winners. The citizens now have more trust in the police and the juries and the system, which worked precisely as it should.
I think I'm right that ex copper Peter Bleksley said that we need a Royal Commission to sort out the police service to-day, as the police service is broken and needs to be brought up to date. I think that was what he said but it was not him.
The CPS prosecute if (1) the evidence is such that there is a reasonable prospect of success AND (2) a prosecution is in the public interest. It may be that the prospect of a conviction was borderline but it’s difficult to think of a trial that was more in the public interest. I disagree with Mr Hughes. Both the process and verdict should be welcomed by police firearm’s personnel. Future similar prosecutions are far less likely and justice has been seen to have been done. To the vast majority of the public the firearms unit have been tested to the extreme - and passed the test.
Not just the police are furious he was prosecuted. I am as well
Should we be looking at the CPS and political bias? Is there a putative political stance; someone who thinks they will be able to point to their CPS record in pursuit of high political office. Irrespective of their father's occupation.
Someone needs to eat a biscuit or two before recording, I kept hearing someone's stomach rumbling in this!
I need a Media Biscuit, stat!
I can understand the accused previous convictions are not revealed... but he wasn't on trial
Cps should never have brought this case
That's because his dead.
The Kaba family should feel thd justice was there was no crime for there to not be a injustice
If you live by the sword then you may well die by the sword. In most other countries this would never have gone to trial.
Two paths of thought.
If it didn’t they whoever would have screamed and shouted ‘Cover up’.
It has proved the point that if you play with fire you are going to get your hands burnt.
What the guy who was killed did was crazy. A weapon can be many things in the hands of someone who intends to use it as one.
The police officer should have his name protected.
My condolences to the guys family for sure BUT sadly it was his own fault he was shot pure and simple.
Justice was served,move on
Kaba's violent past was well known at the time of his tragic death. But was not mentioned by the Media, who preferred to try and engineer a George Floyd moment.
Outrageous really.
If you'd actually listened, you'd know there were reporting restrictions around the case until yesterday, so as not to prejudice the trial.
Also, learn to spell.
@@dannyquinn9128 Clearly I paid better attention than you.
The restrictions were not imposed until the Officer was charged.
There were nearly three weeks when it could have been reported.
I knew all this two years ago.
The BBC worked with the family to hush it up.
@@stephfoxwell4620 How TF does the BBC hush up OTHER media outlets? No evidence, just assertion.
@@stephfoxwell4620no, the revealing of that information would have risked the defence case. There were restrictions
They didn't know it was him, he was unarmed........
“I spoke to one of my contacts” = I spoke to someone in a position of privilege who has total disregard for DPA, GPDR and the Met Police’s code of ethics 🤔 oh yeah keep digging 😂
We need reporters to ask difficult questions, they have protection of confidentiality, protected by custom and the law
You'd have to think the London riots played a big role in the decision to bring this case forward. Senior political figures at the time showed sympathy for Kaba, including the mayor of London. The met have a terrible reputation due to the events of recent years, and rightly so, but there's needs to be accountability from politicians for the lack of funding which has led to a change from community policing to reactive or in the instance of lesser crimes (theft) no reaction at all.
Love is blind...
This sets another dangerous precedent: imagine an armed officer confronting a terrorist, and they hesitate because they're afraid of being prosecuted.
He shot an unarmed human being whose identity was unknown.
@@bbuzz1687The car is the weapon.
@@bbuzz1687 how could he know Kaba was unarmed? How can you expect police to approach a gun crime vehicle without assuming it contains a gun? How can you expect them to just back off when it tries to ram away?
I'm coming into this episode without any familiarity as a foreigner, and honestly, beginning the account with his criminal history that as noted the officer wouldn't know, feels unduly prejudicial. That's not what a trial would be testing.
Yeah, the officer did know that a vehicle was flagged up but didn’t know who was in the vehicle. The question should be what information did the officer know at the time and how did it inform the justification of his actions.
So I think it’s somewhat fortunate that it so happens to be a member of the gang they were looking for.
@@Knowingspy Who else other than a gang member would try and barge through an armed police cordon while driving a car linked to a shooting? Fortunate doesn't come into it
The family have got some nerve to say this is unjust, total victim mentality and lack of accountability. Maybe if they had held Kaba to account t he’d still be alive. Live by the sword, die by the sword
All huw edwards pals discussing this one ffs
It was said in the first sentence, "Unarmed". Aren't the police issued with tasers?
The thing about tasers is that they generally have no effect on someone sitting in a moving car when fired from outside of it.
The police had no way of knowing that he was unarmed, they were briefed to stop a gun crime vehicle linked to a violent gang shooting. Kaba knew full well that driving a gun crime vehicle would put him at risk
@@gary4000 You are correct but, a bullet from a firearm will. How did the police take the action they did not knowing if the driver was the person they killed or if he was armed or not?
@@trevcollier8587I believe they took the action they did based on the fact he was endangering their lives by ramming a car into them in an attempt to flee.
Straight away they start with a lie, he wasn't unarmed, he had a car.
Under the law is a car classed as “armed”? All these terms have legal definitions so if a suspect is in a car are they all to be considered “armed” now? If police stop an old granny for speeding is she going to be considered armed now?
@@jujutrini8412 In this context yes it is classed as a weapon, he was driving it at police. Once you threaten someone with an object, any object, it is classed as an offensive weapon.
@@jujutrini8412they don't need to say he was armed or unarmed. They could just state the facts. But it is misleading to describe him as unarmed.
First time I find myself disagreeing with the tone of The News Agents. Kaba was a bad man but we don't do Summary Justice in this country. Kaba was unarmed. `I felt threatened' isn't justification for shooting a man in the head.
It is when he is driving a 2 ton car and could have killed any officer.
Would you allow him to ram his way out, hit officers and potentially pedestrians or another car as he fled? It's not quite as simple as you have made it out to be
Went to court to satisfy "certain communities." Multiculturalism in action.
Oh no.
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Shame on Emily for saying he was murdered.
He was unarmed and unidentified.
@@bbuzz1687 He was using a car as a weapon.
@@bbuzz1687 he was presumed armed, driving a vehicle wanted for serious gun crime. There is absolutely no way to confirm that a vehicle has no gun in it without a full search. If you think for a second police should risk death, shooting or just "let violent gangsters go" then you are not only delusional but part of the problem.
Like Tiger Woods 20 years ago.
The 'community' need to fess up their ownership of unsolved black on black killings. Until they take responsibility this will never be solved.
What does "black on black killings" have to do with this? Genuine question
Kaba's Audi didn't come with air conditioning, but he managed to get some ventilation.
No, please. Keep your council. This post is inflammatory
@@robinmcewan8473 He can sue me.
You can't prosecute an innocent man ; just to be politically correct .
It has happened many time before.
@@jujutrini8412 yes . And finding guilty people innocent. People like Trump in America just keep appealing and keep out of prison.
@@AnthonyBrown12324 It is a great pity that it would seem the more money you have to pay for fancy legal representation the more likely the guilty will be found not guilty.
@@jujutrini8412 this is the main 2 tier system