Pastor john, you explained this perfectly. You answered the question alright, i dont know why people in the comment section think you didn't, but you actually did. Based on your points, the audience should be able to judge for themselves how to discern tv shows and movies or works of visual art about Jesus, since not everything is about the Chosen; there are dozens of other works about Him, and I'm sure many more to come in this rapidly advancing digital age. Excellent, as always💯💯
I can't speak for anyone else's walk with Christ, of course, but I know the Lord made it very clear that such movies and TV, in particular, the Chosen, were not for me. I watched the entire first season and such clear conviction came on me that I did not go on past it. But that's just me and my story. I don't know why and I don't think I need to. I just know He said "No."
@Rubes Ruiz The Lord DOES still speak to us though. Absolutely 100% scriptural. In that sense, we do "go beyond what's written" but what He speaks to us can always be verified by scripture and never contradicts it. If it does, it wasn't the Lord. He usually speaks to me and then gives me a scripture to look up and it 100% of the time explains exactly what He spoke to me.
@Rubes Ruiz If what He says aligns with His word, there is no deceit there. Only by the Spirit of God can anyone proclaim Jesus is Lord. So we can be assured if we are hearing the voice of God proclaiming His glory and leading us in the way of righteousness, we are not being deceived. I trust Him. I am not worried about my heart because He is so so trustworthy. Don't neglect listening for His still small voice within you for fear of being deceived. Just let Him train your ear. It's worth it. I've never been more alive and in love than I am when I hear His voice speaking to me in prayer.
I’m keeping faith but my situation is hard on me. I’m a single mother struggling to provide for my two autistic children both of my sons are non verbal. My husband passed away unexpectedly three years ago. I have no family nor friends. I’m all alone. I lost my job because I declined the vaccine. I declined due to my failing health. I suffered a heart attack over 6 months ago. I’m on a ton of medications warfarin and blood thinners are just a few. I’m also battling lupus, for almost 20 years of my life. I face so many challenges with Lupus joint pain out of nowhere, fevers and problems breathing are just a few of the issues I deal with on a daily basis because of my pre existing health conditions. I decline the vaccine. I have be struggling since. This month we are facing eviction. Because I’m having a hard time coming up with the rest of my rent. We have nowhere to go. I’m in constant fear. I have been put down and mocked over my circumstances. But this experience has brought me so much closer to God. This experience has given me strength. I have Faith God will provide abundantly for me and my children.
very interesting take I would have said no before this but pastor john brings up many good points as to why it is not bad and why we end up doing it more than we think thank you Lord for this man
I was able to watch movies about Christ in the very beginning of my christian live but the more I read the bible and gained a greater knowledge of the Lord Christ, the less I was able to watch these movies. First of all, no one, no matter how talented an actor he is, cannot imitate the inward beauty of the living Christ. This may only lead to the worship of the creature instead of our creator who is blessed forever more!!
Well we need to make sure we aren’t JUST going off tv because you know they all will do that to some degree. We need to understand the words of the Bible and read it our whole life. I read it everyday but I realize not everyone enjoys it quite as much so 1-3 times a week maybe for those people
@@LC-jq7vn I believe we must all be like the people of Berea (Act 17) - we shall watch the TV demonstrations of the Word of God but we will always go to check through the Word to see if it was so
@@samuelcudjoe7315 I enjoy chosen but it fills in a ton of unknown details for entertainment purposes. My concern is new believers who don’t understand the word and not checking, so they just assume they can watch biblical movies or shows and forget the word. Because of our fast paced technological culture a lot of people don’t want to read anymore. On the other side of the tracks Chosen and other movies can get people interested in Jesus where they would have never known and actually lead them to the Bible.
@@LC-jq7vn That is very true. Our attention span these days are so short - we just cant hold our attention long enough to meditate and the Word we read. Somehow we must find the right balance between the screen and the studying of the Word
"All preaching and teaching use language that is not in scripture" ~John Piper. Thank you, Pastor. That settles the question, which I have had for some time now, on whether dramatization of Bible stories is a good thing or not. That said, I am still unable to watch Chosen. I'm not sure why, but that show makes me uncomfortable.
@@uke7084 @ uke I cannot give you the source this movie was talked about months ago in a very favorable way they were interviewing a few ppl behind the movie they clearly stated they were Mormon and in fact during commercial breaks there were quite a few Mormon commercials that you most likely seen and I was engaged in conversation with a Mormon who wanted me to watch this he was convinced that this movie would convert me because I was sharing biblical things with him had I known you would be asking me the source months later I would have retained names / the person in charge of putting this together clearly stated he was coming from a Mormon perspective that makes perfect sense multiple versions of the story of Jesus had already been done the reason for interviewing him was because he was coming from a Mormon angle so wether the entire Mormon organization was backing this I don't know I would think they would but this singular individual clearly stated he was coming from a Mormon perspective plus if you know scripture intimately and you know the gospel something won't click and I'm sure the Mormon I was talking to named " Todd would not have told me to watch this if it weren't so
th-cam.com/video/9LI484mywHU/w-d-xo.html Angel Studios is owned and operated by Mormons. Also Dallas Jenkins, in many interview, incorrectly says that Mormons and Christians believe in the same Jesus... Clearly he doesn't know what Mormon's really believe about Jesus.
What a roundabout answer. He made no distinction between written fiction (poems) and pictorial fiction (movies depicting Jesus). It's like he didn't want to answer straight on.
One of the very few JP QnA's that's a bit disappointing.. The question was on visual dramas that have portraits of God Jesus.. Related to not making any images of God.. In this case, sinners acting as God - Jesus... Not metaphor stuff..
Don’t care to have any type of debate on TH-cam so maybe I shouldn’t even comment, but I think in this present time and context people could be tuning into a lot worse than The Chosen. I pray that it brings people to the Gospel and to hear the Word preached.
We can do, but it doesn't mean we should do. Like most things, there can be a lot of benefit but also damage too. Aside from the Jesus of Nazereth from the 1970's I've not seen any dramatisations on TV though, so I'm speaking from a limited position.
Jesus Christ Superstar actually was used by God to teach me about Jesus' life. Early on in my walk. Now of course, I had biblical teaching as well so I could keep perspective on it. The Garden of Gethsemane scene in that production was and is so powerful.
Agreed. I have actually had our Father talk to me through the Lion King movie. He will and can use anything to reach His kid's. Especially stories that have the motivation to build up the church.
Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: -King James Bible
Great verse. That is in reference to worshipping false idols. The pagans made wooden gods and gods made from other materials that they worshipped. Often it was of their gods of the past.
@@risingoneagleswings1776 those were still images. The _motion picture_ attempting to portray Jesus in the series "the chosen" violates the second commandment. Moreover, the Jesus depicted there is a false christ.
If you worship the chosen, then yes. My kid's have figurines and toys that they play with. We set out a nativity scene for Christmas. We don't worship these reminders of our invisible Lord. So there isn't a problem here.
Respectfully, I don’t think that really addressed the question. Metaphor is not the same as visual depictions of biblical events with a LOT of creative liberties taken…Everyone knows you were talking about the Chosen, and I think this was somewhat of a wasted opportunity to shed light on some of the legitimate problems with the series.
What are some of those problems? As long as there is nothing that contradicts scripture and what happens is possible given what is told in the Bible, then it still falls under explanation and representation category. Does the Chosen contradict scripture? I've watched the full first season and everything that happened was plausible.
@@josh_final For me, it's making something so holy and pure and turning it into entertainment. It doesn't have to contradict scripture to treat Jesus flippantly. I don't believe the creator of the show has that intention at all. But I believe that's what he's done.
Unfortunately I don't think Pastor John answered the question/s asked. He gave a great defence for his own writing of fictional poetry but didn't address the very pertinent question of whether Jesus, in TV shows like The Chosen, should be saying things that aren't in the Bible.
The book bible -made of tree The words in it- made of ink of tree - papers - made of trees -drawing images- inks If you say the cross in worfs and if you show the cross in image ,its the same. Catholic says ,we don't worship images we use it for teaching. In some sense ,are they right? And in some wrong? And the reformers , they use image of the cross, or tree of cross which is the same with Catholic. Is there any difference?
Purity is the problem for me while watching actors (merely humans) in representing Jesus the Christ. None can represent or display the purity of Jesus the Christ. And that missing element is in itself deceptive. But I think also that learning about Jesus the Christ is done in steps for most. If you know nothing of Jesus the Christ and get introduced by a film (or book, or story, etc) which seeks to share the Truth, than that is a good start. Nonbelievers learning from films is one thing, believers growing through films is another. Once The Lord is known than why would you go to a film to try to understand more - you know The Lord personally - go directly to GOD to learn more.
None of us are pure other than grace working thru us.Paul said as much in 1 Corinthians 15:10.The same applies to actors(maybe a small number mind you) who surrender themselves to be used by the almighty,that is key,however,God can still use all hearts to fulfill his purposes. We can never be a pure as Jesus but in working out our salvation in reverence and fear God can use those including Actors(believers) to reach others through their work
Kat...I have been studying the Word for 12 years and in that time had been walking and growing in the Lord.I am not really a fan of music but I watched a movie recently named "I still believe" the amazing story of Melissa and Jeremy Camp.It has inspired my faith and am now a fan of his songs etc because of how the Lord spoke to me through their story while going through family struggles....before this I would have described myself as pretty conservative.I pray you open ur heart to ways God can show you things, he may do it anyway when you least expect it. Blessings to you
Hi Kat. I'm glad you are wrestling with the issue. The first reply from Zz has an important point - we are purified by faith alone, in Christ alone, etc. A couple thoughts for comparison. Re: "representing" All anyone can do now is represent. As pastor John said in the podcast, he makes clear his sermon only represents Scripture, that his words aren't Scripture. Should he not preach since he isn't perfectly pure yet? Second, in a similar way all foods are now clean (Mk 7:19, Acts 10 & 11, Rom 14:20), giving thanks as we partake of the good things God provides (often through sinners, like from a grocery store) purifies what is imperfect. Last thought re: Zz's second reply: I too have resisted being free. Jn 8:36 and Gal 5:1 freedom is unnatural. We prefer rules to keep us safe. But fulness of feeling safe comes with fulness of freedom - knowing we are free of condemnation when we blow it. Indeed may you find the freedom Christ died to give you.
I feel like everyone wanted a “yes” or “no” answer. Just because he didn’t answer this way doesn’t mean he didn’t answer the question. If you’re still uptight sitting in your wooden pew then simply don’t watch the Chosen or anything similar. You may be far too pious for any nuance or artistic license.
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually through time to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled. No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. This truth will free you to seek for the Living God in the Spirit and to truly KNOW GOD instead of just knowing ABOUT HIM. The GOSPEL is NOT written with ink, nor on tablets of stone, but on our hearts by the Spirit of the Living God. The gentiles who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, then they are a law unto themselves. Under the New Covenant we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, not the bible. I was searching for truth when Jesus told me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. After that I only sought for Him in the Spirit and He has taught me many things on life's journey. The most important of which is that He died so we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons and daughters of God. The gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit. The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God to control us, the outward law was under the old covenant. Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the written law because we were unable to keep it. Have a great journey through life with the Living Christ guiding you. When Jesus words are written down and Satan is using them, then the bible becomes the word of Satan. Constantine (1st) beast compiled 50 bibles, legalized Christianity and set up the false prophet (pope). King James (2nd) beast, born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized a bible in 1611 that now has 66 books to control people with, an image of God's word they make to speak (the bible says). By having faith in the bible which has been made into an idol, they break the new covenant of having faith in the Living Christ through the Holy Spirit, who is the true word of God. THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST Ask Jesus -Yeshua for the Holy Spirit. Link To Blog Site Book: Book 1 THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... BOOK 2 THE BIBLE IS AN IDOL bibleismarkofbeast.blogspot.co... TH-cam Channel: th-cam.com/users/BIBLEisMARKofBEASTvideos ;;
No. Your poems are not the same as the Chosen or any other drama seeking to portray the life of Christ. The key text is Ex. 20:4. When Christians watch hours and hours of an actor depicting Christ, eventually, that is who Christ is to them. The writers can take as creative of a license as they want and people who are hooked on the show will go along for the ride. This is idolatry, and, even though I love you John Piper, I'm sickened at the politician's answer. Biblical metaphors written by inspiration are not the same as fiction filling in the blanks of the Scriptures.
I've ALWAYS cringed whenever directors used "creative license", in order to add filler to a movie (including fabricated conversations and events). That-- to me-- is "eisegesis"; and "adding to Scripture" (Revelation 28:19). Even his depiction as the European image is unbiblical, and disingenuous. Sola Scriptura, or nothing.
Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazirites were brighter than snow And whiter than milk; They were more ruddy in body than rubies, Like sapphire in their appearance.
This is the first APJ I have struggled with. I feel left wanting. There are so many problematic dramatizations. The problem is that scripture is delicious and always better than the creative diversions almost always taken by cinematic depictions. It robs scripture of its fullest experience. Also, so often dramatizations take liberty with tone and non-verbal communication that I think we can’t always discern. I stick to the Jesus Film and Gospel of John.
"Should We Dramatize Jesus’s Life for Television?" Kind Sir! "Heavens NO!" And if any Christian has any TV's or photos of Jesus, etc. BURN Them YESTERDAY! "Should We Dramatize Jesus’s Life for Television?" Kind Sir! "Heavens NO!" And if any Christian has any TV's or photos of Jesus, etc. BURN Them YESTERDAY! Do not all Christians knows; we are told NOT to.... Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; End of Story and I rest me case... ...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
@@uke7084 No kind person. I am not affiliated with ANY church since 50 yrs ago. And NO other group on this planet. Being 90 yrs old tomorrow; I will never be affiliated with any group again. For I have ALL I Need from Jesus. Because I get EVERYTHING I want or need from Him. Thus, I wish that EVERY person on this planet; would do the same. They won't and that is why there are so many different thesis' all over the world arguing with each other; as to is right. Sad but oh so true.. Thanks again for replying kind person. And May Jesus bless you and yours always.
@@MrPatdeeee Respectfully sir, even Jesus affiliated with churches. He even told his apostles to make disciples all over the world. That sounds like a church to me, isn't it? I understand sir that sometimes, maybe most of the time, spending time with other believers can be rather challenging. There are some people that are just different. But the bible says - Hebrews 10:25, KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. And even Apostle Paul said - "Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things." Romans 14:1 We are all the body of Christ, as Jesus himself has said. But fully rejecting communication with other believers on the church disregards what he has said. I understand if you're not joining any churches for the reason because you deem them worldly. But we should never judge those whose faith is weaker than ours, after all, we are all just servants serving God.
@@kraegermendoza5985 You said, "Respectfully sir, even Jesus affiliated with churches. He even told his apostles to make disciples all over the world. That sounds like a church to me, isn't it?" Au Contraire kind Sir. For there would not be a single church until Jesus was ascended in to Heaven for 40 yrs. Thus He never affiliated with a single church. Sorry But true. And that church was at Ephesus; that Paul created. One of the 7 churches in Revelation. "I understand sir that sometimes, maybe most of the time, spending time with other believers can be rather challenging. There are some people that are just different." Jesus said that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know has ever accepted my message. "But the bible says - Hebrews 10:25, KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." And sadly, Hebrews 10:26 also called Jesus a LIAR. When any one reads what Jesus said in Mark 3:28 and 29. Sad but true. And Jesus called Mathew 1:1 a LIAR; when Jesus said in John 8:58 and Mathew 22:41-45. And Jesus also called Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1 a LIAR: when Jesus said in Mathew 19:3-8. And on and on an on all; through the bible. Sadly but very true...Bible scholars for centuries have known this. But preachers deny it to this day. How sad! So Martin Luther in 1517 AD and Thomas Jefferson said; that Hebrews (which no one knows who wrote the book) was garbage and the RCC; should never have put it in any bible. I agree: for what it says in Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26 which both calls Jesus a LIAR. Because those verses are DEAD WRONG! "And even Apostle Paul said - "Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things." Romans 14:1" And Jesus said that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know of; has ever accepted my message. And MOST people has never accepted my message; in 84 yrs. Oh indeed. And I imagine you are going to do that too; for what I have said above. But I don't worry; because Jesus said...Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. Thus only 1% of Ju's believed Jesus' message; in over 2,000 yrs. So why should I want anything better? Huh? Thus I live alone (with my caregiver) and we have Jesus..and there is NOTHING else we need. Praise Jesus' Holy Name. "We are all the body of Christ, as Jesus himself has said. But fully rejecting communication with other believers on the church disregards what he has said. I understand if you're not joining any churches for the reason because you deem them worldly. But we should never judge those whose faith is weaker than ours, after all, we are all just servants serving God." I do not judge. But I have been judged by many Christians all of my life and many TH-cam videos. Thus I shall obey Jesus when He said, that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know has ever accepted my message. So Jesus said.. Matthew 10:15 I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that person, house or city. (who did not accept his message) Now kind Sir; you have had your say. And I have had my say. Since we do not agree; 'tis best as Christians; IF we "Agree to Disagree"; and "Never the twain is to meet" again. So I leave you with this kind Sir... May Jesus bless you and yours always. Amen!
Would be interesting to hear pastor Johns specific perspective on the Chosen beyond this general overview of the broader subject
Pastor john, you explained this perfectly. You answered the question alright, i dont know why people in the comment section think you didn't, but you actually did. Based on your points, the audience should be able to judge for themselves how to discern tv shows and movies or works of visual art about Jesus, since not everything is about the Chosen; there are dozens of other works about Him, and I'm sure many more to come in this rapidly advancing digital age. Excellent, as always💯💯
I can't speak for anyone else's walk with Christ, of course, but I know the Lord made it very clear that such movies and TV, in particular, the Chosen, were not for me. I watched the entire first season and such clear conviction came on me that I did not go on past it. But that's just me and my story. I don't know why and I don't think I need to. I just know He said "No."
@Rubes Ruiz The Lord DOES still speak to us though. Absolutely 100% scriptural. In that sense, we do "go beyond what's written" but what He speaks to us can always be verified by scripture and never contradicts it. If it does, it wasn't the Lord. He usually speaks to me and then gives me a scripture to look up and it 100% of the time explains exactly what He spoke to me.
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@Rubes Ruiz If what He says aligns with His word, there is no deceit there. Only by the Spirit of God can anyone proclaim Jesus is Lord. So we can be assured if we are hearing the voice of God proclaiming His glory and leading us in the way of righteousness, we are not being deceived. I trust Him. I am not worried about my heart because He is so so trustworthy. Don't neglect listening for His still small voice within you for fear of being deceived. Just let Him train your ear. It's worth it. I've never been more alive and in love than I am when I hear His voice speaking to me in prayer.
I’m keeping faith but my situation is hard on me. I’m a single mother struggling to provide for my two autistic children both of my sons are non verbal. My husband passed away unexpectedly three years ago. I have no family nor friends. I’m all alone. I lost my job because I declined the vaccine. I declined due to my failing health. I suffered a heart attack over 6 months ago. I’m on a ton of medications warfarin and blood thinners are just a few. I’m also battling lupus, for almost 20 years of my life. I face so many challenges with Lupus joint pain out of nowhere, fevers and problems breathing are just a few of the issues I deal with on a daily basis because of my pre existing health conditions. I decline the vaccine. I have be struggling since. This month we are facing eviction. Because I’m having a hard time coming up with the rest of my rent. We have nowhere to go. I’m in constant fear. I have been put down and mocked over my circumstances. But this experience has brought me so much closer to God. This experience has given me strength. I have Faith God will provide abundantly for me and my children.
I'll be praying for you. If you have a PayPal, maybe you can put it on here and I can send a little $. Be strong in Christ, He will see you through!
praying for you, my sister in Christ
I'll be praying for you
Praying for you!
very interesting take I would have said no before this but pastor john brings up many good points as to why it is not bad and why we end up doing it more than we think thank you Lord for this man
I was able to watch movies about Christ in the very beginning of my christian live but the more I read the bible and gained a greater knowledge of the Lord Christ, the less I was able to watch these movies. First of all, no one, no matter how talented an actor he is, cannot imitate the inward beauty of the living Christ. This may only lead to the worship of the creature instead of our creator who is blessed forever more!!
I think the gospel can be shared through "mass media - TV (even Hollyhood) in so far as the Scriptures are not distorted, or misrepresented
Well we need to make sure we aren’t JUST going off tv because you know they all will do that to some degree. We need to understand the words of the Bible and read it our whole life. I read it everyday but I realize not everyone enjoys it quite as much so 1-3 times a week maybe for those people
@@LC-jq7vn I believe we must all be like the people of Berea (Act 17) - we shall watch the TV demonstrations of the Word of God but we will always go to check through the Word to see if it was so
@@samuelcudjoe7315 I enjoy chosen but it fills in a ton of unknown details for entertainment purposes. My concern is new believers who don’t understand the word and not checking, so they just assume they can watch biblical movies or shows and forget the word. Because of our fast paced technological culture a lot of people don’t want to read anymore. On the other side of the tracks Chosen and other movies can get people interested in Jesus where they would have never known and actually lead them to the Bible.
@@LC-jq7vn That is very true. Our attention span these days are so short - we just cant hold our attention long enough to meditate and the Word we read. Somehow we must find the right balance between the screen and the studying of the Word
"All preaching and teaching use language that is not in scripture" ~John Piper. Thank you, Pastor. That settles the question, which I have had for some time now, on whether dramatization of Bible stories is a good thing or not. That said, I am still unable to watch Chosen. I'm not sure why, but that show makes me uncomfortable.
@ blood covenant. Chosen is a Mormon production
Source please
I wasn't saying it to be funny the chosen really is a Mormon production
@@uke7084 @ uke I cannot give you the source this movie was talked about months ago in a very favorable way they were interviewing a few ppl behind the movie they clearly stated they were Mormon and in fact during commercial breaks there were quite a few Mormon commercials that you most likely seen and I was engaged in conversation with a Mormon who wanted me to watch this he was convinced that this movie would convert me because I was sharing biblical things with him had I known you would be asking me the source months later I would have retained names / the person in charge of putting this together clearly stated he was coming from a Mormon perspective that makes perfect sense multiple versions of the story of Jesus had already been done the reason for interviewing him was because he was coming from a Mormon angle so wether the entire Mormon organization was backing this I don't know I would think they would but this singular individual clearly stated he was coming from a Mormon perspective plus if you know scripture intimately and you know the gospel something won't click and I'm sure the Mormon I was talking to named " Todd would not have told me to watch this if it weren't so
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Angel Studios is owned and operated by Mormons.
Also Dallas Jenkins, in many interview, incorrectly says that Mormons and Christians believe in the same Jesus... Clearly he doesn't know what Mormon's really believe about Jesus.
What a roundabout answer. He made no distinction between written fiction (poems) and pictorial fiction (movies depicting Jesus). It's like he didn't want to answer straight on.
One of the very few JP QnA's that's a bit disappointing..
The question was on visual dramas that have portraits of God Jesus.. Related to not making any images of God..
In this case, sinners acting as God - Jesus... Not metaphor stuff..
Don’t care to have any type of debate on TH-cam so maybe I shouldn’t even comment, but I think in this present time and context people could be tuning into a lot worse than The Chosen. I pray that it brings people to the Gospel and to hear the Word preached.
We can do, but it doesn't mean we should do. Like most things, there can be a lot of benefit but also damage too.
Aside from the Jesus of Nazereth from the 1970's I've not seen any dramatisations on TV though, so I'm speaking from a limited position.
Jesus Christ Superstar actually was used by God to teach me about Jesus' life. Early on in my walk. Now of course, I had biblical teaching as well so I could keep perspective on it. The Garden of Gethsemane scene in that production was and is so powerful.
Agreed. I have actually had our Father talk to me through the Lion King movie. He will and can use anything to reach His kid's. Especially stories that have the motivation to build up the church.
Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: -King James Bible
Great verse. That is in reference to worshipping false idols. The pagans made wooden gods and gods made from other materials that they worshipped. Often it was of their gods of the past.
@@risingoneagleswings1776 those were still images. The _motion picture_ attempting to portray Jesus in the series "the chosen" violates the second commandment. Moreover, the Jesus depicted there is a false christ.
If you worship the chosen, then yes. My kid's have figurines and toys that they play with. We set out a nativity scene for Christmas. We don't worship these reminders of our invisible Lord. So there isn't a problem here.
I always thought a series about the book of kings would be cool
Respectfully, I don’t think that really addressed the question. Metaphor is not the same as visual depictions of biblical events with a LOT of creative liberties taken…Everyone knows you were talking about the Chosen, and I think this was somewhat of a wasted opportunity to shed light on some of the legitimate problems with the series.
What are some of those problems? As long as there is nothing that contradicts scripture and what happens is possible given what is told in the Bible, then it still falls under explanation and representation category. Does the Chosen contradict scripture? I've watched the full first season and everything that happened was plausible.
Curious what issues you see.
@@josh_final For me, it's making something so holy and pure and turning it into entertainment. It doesn't have to contradict scripture to treat Jesus flippantly. I don't believe the creator of the show has that intention at all. But I believe that's what he's done.
Exactly. I don't think he misunderstood the question (it's John Piper, after all). For some reason he just did not address the real issue here.
makes sense to me
Unfortunately I don't think Pastor John answered the question/s asked. He gave a great defence for his own writing of fictional poetry but didn't address the very pertinent question of whether Jesus, in TV shows like The Chosen, should be saying things that aren't in the Bible.
The book bible -made of tree
The words in it- made of ink of tree
- papers - made of trees
-drawing images- inks
If you say the cross in worfs and if you show the cross in image ,its the same. Catholic says ,we don't worship images we use it for teaching. In some sense ,are they right? And in some wrong?
And the reformers , they use image of the cross, or tree of cross which is the same with Catholic. Is there any difference?
Purity is the problem for me while watching actors (merely humans) in representing Jesus the Christ. None can represent or display the purity of Jesus the Christ. And that missing element is in itself deceptive. But I think also that learning about Jesus the Christ is done in steps for most. If you know nothing of Jesus the Christ and get introduced by a film (or book, or story, etc) which seeks to share the Truth, than that is a good start. Nonbelievers learning from films is one thing, believers growing through films is another. Once The Lord is known than why would you go to a film to try to understand more - you know The Lord personally - go directly to GOD to learn more.
None of us are pure other than grace working thru us.Paul said as much in 1 Corinthians 15:10.The same applies to actors(maybe a small number mind you) who surrender themselves to be used by the almighty,that is key,however,God can still use all hearts to fulfill his purposes.
We can never be a pure as Jesus but in working out our salvation in reverence and fear God can use those including Actors(believers) to reach others through their work
Kat...I have been studying the Word for 12 years and in that time had been walking and growing in the Lord.I am not really a fan of music but I watched a movie recently named "I still believe" the amazing story of Melissa and Jeremy Camp.It has inspired my faith and am now a fan of his songs etc because of how the Lord spoke to me through their story while going through family struggles....before this I would have described myself as pretty conservative.I pray you open ur heart to ways God can show you things, he may do it anyway when you least expect it.
Blessings to you
Hi Kat. I'm glad you are wrestling with the issue. The first reply from Zz has an important point - we are purified by faith alone, in Christ alone, etc.
A couple thoughts for comparison. Re: "representing"
All anyone can do now is represent. As pastor John said in the podcast, he makes clear his sermon only represents Scripture, that his words aren't Scripture. Should he not preach since he isn't perfectly pure yet?
Second, in a similar way all foods are now clean (Mk 7:19, Acts 10 & 11, Rom 14:20), giving thanks as we partake of the good things God provides (often through sinners, like from a grocery store) purifies what is imperfect.
Last thought re: Zz's second reply: I too have resisted being free. Jn 8:36 and Gal 5:1 freedom is unnatural. We prefer rules to keep us safe. But fulness of feeling safe comes with fulness of freedom - knowing we are free of condemnation when we blow it.
Indeed may you find the freedom Christ died to give you.
Thoughtful questions that he didn’t really address in his answer.
Superbook is a great example!
When Jesus change water to wine, the chosen has some misinterpretation.
I feel like everyone wanted a “yes” or “no” answer. Just because he didn’t answer this way doesn’t mean he didn’t answer the question.
If you’re still uptight sitting in your wooden pew then simply don’t watch the Chosen or anything similar. You may be far too pious for any nuance or artistic license.
"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
When a well packaged web of lies has been sold gradually through time to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
It’s easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they have been fooled.
No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.
This truth will free you to seek for the Living God in the Spirit and to truly KNOW GOD instead of just knowing ABOUT HIM.
The GOSPEL is NOT written with ink, nor on tablets of stone, but on our hearts by the Spirit of the Living God.
The gentiles who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, then they are a law unto themselves.
Under the New Covenant we are to be led by the Holy Spirit, not the bible.
I was searching for truth when Jesus told me, "The bible is an idol" which completely changed my direction. After that I only sought for Him in the Spirit and He has taught me many things on life's journey.
The most important of which is that He died so we could be regenerated by the Holy Spirit into sons and daughters of God.
The gospel is simple, repent from living after the flesh, ask Jesus to fill you with the Holy Spirit and then be led and controlled by Him through the Spirit.
The bible is only history and has absolutely no authority from God to control us, the outward law was under the old covenant. Jesus died to redeem us from the curse of the written law because we were unable to keep it.
Have a great journey through life with the Living Christ guiding you.
When Jesus words are written down and Satan is using them, then the bible becomes the word of Satan.
Constantine (1st) beast compiled 50 bibles, legalized Christianity and set up the false prophet (pope).
King James (2nd) beast, born 6/1566, 6th of Scotland, authorized a bible in 1611 that now has 66 books to control people with, an image of God's word they make to speak (the bible says).
By having faith in the bible which has been made into an idol, they break the new covenant of having faith in the Living Christ through the Holy Spirit, who is the true word of God.
THE BIBLE IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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No. Your poems are not the same as the Chosen or any other drama seeking to portray the life of Christ. The key text is Ex. 20:4. When Christians watch hours and hours of an actor depicting Christ, eventually, that is who Christ is to them. The writers can take as creative of a license as they want and people who are hooked on the show will go along for the ride. This is idolatry, and, even though I love you John Piper, I'm sickened at the politician's answer. Biblical metaphors written by inspiration are not the same as fiction filling in the blanks of the Scriptures.
Hmmmm... I didn't think The Batman was trying to be about Jesus but to each their own.
I've ALWAYS cringed whenever directors used "creative license", in order to add filler to a movie (including fabricated conversations and events).
That-- to me-- is "eisegesis"; and "adding to Scripture" (Revelation 28:19).
Even his depiction as the European image is unbiblical, and disingenuous.
Sola Scriptura, or nothing.
Lamentations 4:7
Her Nazirites were brighter than snow And whiter than milk; They were more ruddy in body than rubies, Like sapphire in their appearance.
Why is my comment with correction continually being deleted?
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this is poor behavior.
Hard-nosed 2CV Reformists remind me of Lutheran Satire’s Nativitalk. Go check it out: classic clip!
"Repent!" Lol
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This is the first APJ I have struggled with. I feel left wanting. There are so many problematic dramatizations. The problem is that scripture is delicious and always better than the creative diversions almost always taken by cinematic depictions. It robs scripture of its fullest experience. Also, so often dramatizations take liberty with tone and non-verbal communication that I think we can’t always discern. I stick to the Jesus Film and Gospel of John.
We should dramatize Muhammad's life. In an honest way. R rated of course.
It would have to be at least MA18. That dude was evil.
@@uke7084 that would be the point. It would open the eyes of a lot of people.
Romans 14 (highlight 23)..1 Corinthians 10:31.. Whatever!
Films are art.
Just as you don’t have to stare and consider a piece of artwork, you don’t have to watch a film.
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"Should We Dramatize Jesus’s Life for Television?"
Kind Sir! "Heavens NO!"
And if any Christian has any TV's or photos of Jesus, etc. BURN Them YESTERDAY! "Should We Dramatize Jesus’s Life for Television?"
Kind Sir! "Heavens NO!"
And if any Christian has any TV's or photos of Jesus, etc. BURN Them YESTERDAY!
Do not all Christians knows; we are told NOT to....
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
End of Story and I rest me case...
...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
Are you JW?
@@uke7084 No kind person. I am not affiliated with ANY church since 50 yrs ago. And NO other group on this planet.
Being 90 yrs old tomorrow; I will never be affiliated with any group again. For I have ALL I Need from Jesus. Because I get EVERYTHING I want or need from Him.
Thus, I wish that EVERY person on this planet; would do the same. They won't and that is why there are so many different thesis' all over the world arguing with each other; as to is right. Sad but oh so true..
Thanks again for replying kind person. And May Jesus bless you and yours always.
@@MrPatdeeee Respectfully sir, even Jesus affiliated with churches. He even told his apostles to make disciples all over the world. That sounds like a church to me, isn't it?
I understand sir that sometimes, maybe most of the time, spending time with other believers can be rather challenging. There are some people that are just different.
But the bible says - Hebrews 10:25, KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
And even Apostle Paul said - "Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things." Romans 14:1
We are all the body of Christ, as Jesus himself has said. But fully rejecting communication with other believers on the church disregards what he has said. I understand if you're not joining any churches for the reason because you deem them worldly. But we should never judge those whose faith is weaker than ours, after all, we are all just servants serving God.
@@kraegermendoza5985 You said, "Respectfully sir, even Jesus affiliated with churches. He even told his apostles to make disciples all over the world. That sounds like a church to me, isn't it?"
Au Contraire kind Sir. For there would not be a single church until Jesus was ascended in to Heaven for 40 yrs. Thus He never affiliated with a single church. Sorry But true. And that church was at Ephesus; that Paul created. One of the 7 churches in Revelation.
"I understand sir that sometimes, maybe most of the time, spending time with other believers can be rather challenging. There are some people that are just different."
Jesus said that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know has ever accepted my message.
"But the bible says - Hebrews 10:25, KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."
And sadly, Hebrews 10:26 also called Jesus a LIAR. When any one reads what Jesus said in Mark 3:28 and 29. Sad but true.
And Jesus called Mathew 1:1 a LIAR; when Jesus said in John 8:58 and Mathew 22:41-45. And Jesus also called Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1 a LIAR: when Jesus said in Mathew 19:3-8. And on and on an on all; through the bible. Sadly but very true...Bible scholars for centuries have known this. But preachers deny it to this day. How sad!
So Martin Luther in 1517 AD and Thomas Jefferson said; that Hebrews (which no one knows who wrote the book) was garbage and the RCC; should never have put it in any bible. I agree: for what it says in Hebrews 6:4-6 and 10:26 which both calls Jesus a LIAR. Because those verses are DEAD WRONG!
"And even Apostle Paul said - "Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things." Romans 14:1"
And Jesus said that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know of; has ever accepted my message.
And MOST people has never accepted my message; in 84 yrs. Oh indeed. And I imagine you are going to do that too; for what I have said above. But I don't worry; because Jesus said...Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Thus only 1% of Ju's believed Jesus' message; in over 2,000 yrs. So why should I want anything better? Huh?
Thus I live alone (with my caregiver) and we have Jesus..and there is NOTHING else we need. Praise Jesus' Holy Name.
"We are all the body of Christ, as Jesus himself has said. But fully rejecting communication with other believers on the church disregards what he has said. I understand if you're not joining any churches for the reason because you deem them worldly. But we should never judge those whose faith is weaker than ours, after all, we are all just servants serving God."
I do not judge. But I have been judged by many Christians all of my life and many TH-cam videos. Thus I shall obey Jesus when He said, that we were to leave any person, house or city; when they do not accept his message. And no one that I know has ever accepted my message. So Jesus said..
Matthew 10:15 I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that person, house or city. (who did not accept his message)
Now kind Sir; you have had your say. And I have had my say. Since we do not agree; 'tis best as Christians; IF we "Agree to Disagree"; and "Never the twain is to meet" again. So I leave you with this kind Sir...
May Jesus bless you and yours always. Amen!