Boost spacing does NOT help strengthen wheels. It can only help if you have matching spoke offset in your rims. This makes truing them and keeping them true a little harder. It also makes them ride a touch rougher. This can be, but seldom is, done with any rim or hub. I would have to see their rim up close to see if there is any advantage, but they sound more like traditional 650b mtb wheels. Would rather see that glove box used for a larger battery, perhaps one that is not proprietary. 60#'s on a $5k bike!?! Did they use straight gauge aluminum? 560wh's is nothing on such a heavy bike. 750 isn't really up to contemporary standards. I have never had a problem with plastic fenders, but that does seem kind of cheap for a $5k bike. Hopefully people will realize that those brake lights aren't DOT approved or positioned. You still need to hand signal or you could be held responsible in a rear collision. It is nice to see they aren't trying to use off road suspension for on road comfort. That should help make handling all that extra weight a lot easier. It's nice to see a real headlight for once and that app is pretty awesome. I wonder though how long it will be til such things are available from everyone. Your only real expense is in development. I know I can do almost all those things on Bafang motors now.
@@ElectricBikeReview I apologize. My replies do come off as attacks. I am not good at tact. I promise though, the things I post are common knowledge among experienced cycling enthusiasts, tech's, frame builders and fitters. It really needs to become a part of the e-bike world.
Looks solid. Definitely pricey, but looks well built. Riding High H-D in G'boro NC has these, but I have not tested one "yet". I would love to see the Rush City and the new DOST w/ belt as a side-by-side comparison.
I have the Rush Cty Speed purchased in 2021 and it has 3000 miles on it. It is a great bike for hop-on recreational rides of 40 miles or less with family or friends. It is also the bike I road trip with my wife and her Blix Aveny. I have another bike that is my go to exercise rides 50+ miles that includes paved and unpaved trails/roads. My only complaint is the Ride App that was promised when I bought it in 2021 is not compatible with pre-2022 models. The bikes are otherwise identical so I can vouch for the quiet and excellent drive train/motor and overall build quality of the Serial 1 bikes. They are miles ahead of the mass produced cheap component bikes being cranked out of China. It is the best truly automatic shifting bike I have ridden most ebikes at and above the Serial 1 price point. It's a good example of in the long run, you get what you pay for.
Thanks for the real life review, Robert! I'm glad to hear that you're happy with the product, and agree that the build quality and finish are excellent. This thing combines cutting edge motor, drivetrain, and build quality. I like how they integrated the wires and used name brand parts and brakes. Good stuff and justified for the price.
There's always problems! As well thought out as this bicycle is, they didn't put frame attachment points for adding accessories. It's the same story with the new Serial 1 Switch Mountain model. But hey, the Switch Mountain is sold out, so maybe consumers don't care. If they're going to charge $5k for a bicycle it better cover all the bases important to the buyer. 10kg capacity for the front and rear racks is equal to 22 pounds if anyone was wondering. I always exceed the rack capacity on my motorcycle and it's never broken, so you can probably do the same with these racks. It's kinda odd to see plastic fenders on a Harley vehicle, but I guess weight is a bigger factor on a bicycle.
I would probably go with the Gazelle C380. A little less money, but it has a lot of the features that are missing on this bike. This one looks like it may be a "itch" to work on with all the "stuff" hidden in the frame.
Agree 100%! I actually really like the whole Serial1 line up but i would still go with a C380 over the Rush. I still would love to have a Mosh, love the look and its a bike that would force me to work a lil harder!
I've had my new Gazelle Ultimate C380 for 3 months 600 miles and I just love it. I'm developing a habit/technique of "micro-shifting" that I've never experienced on any bike. The infinite variable 380 shifting is just amazing. I have stopped using my car
That's cool @Kip Wylie! I've had bikes felt like there were missing a gear because the cadence I wanted just didn''t exist between sprocket sizes. The CVT gives you so many options, you can get it feeling perfect :)
Definitely a premium built bike and not a bad deal at $5K which having the "Harley Davidson" label on the bike probably contributes to the price. The question for potential buyers of this bike is whether or not they need to buy a "Lexus" when a "Toyota" will provide the necessary functionality and reliability at a much lower price.
That's a great point, there are a lot of "check the box" ebikes out there, but this one has the automatic shifting and sizes, that alone really increases the cost... but also improves the ride experience. For a retired person, or someone who is replacing a car, that could definitely be worth it.
I need to stop watching your reviews. It's costing me alot of money. I now have this bike along with the speed version, bh rebel gravel, stromer ST3 and a BH mid drive. How do rate this bike compared to a Stromer? I also wish BH would come back.
Hi Robert, here are dozens of less expensive models with simpler drivetrains and more basic builds. I realize that some of these ebikes are far out of reach in terms of price, it's nice to have options out there... even if some are more premium. electricbikereview.com/category/affordable/
It would be cool to see their ebikes with a nice suspension post and stem, they could partner with Red Shift Sports to make one with internal cable routing! I think it would be especially relevant for the Class 3 model RUSH/CTY Speed electricbikereview.com/serial-1/2022-rush-cty-speed/
Stand alone that's not a 1k bike, but let's be generous and say it is. Being Generous again the motor and battery 1k. Let's be extra generous and say all together 2.5k. Making a generous profit on this bike.
Dude, then your the one in the wrong business, open a bike company and sell a bike like this for 2500 REAL world pricing on them is 3-4000 with the automatic.
Lots of companies going with the higher price points, I suspect their input costs and all of the logistics have gotten very expensive in recent years. Still, it's a high quality build with great size and color options. Hardly anyone else has the same app features they do with the SIM card and Google integration.
On one hand, this bike appears to try to integrate some interesting features. Thumbs up for the antitheft app, a great feature. I like the tail lights. The headlight appears to have a cutoff lens that would prevent light spill so, not blind on coming traffic. Court, maybe you can inquire if that is so? The motor and drivetrain another nice feature. On the other hand, as Court had pointed out the racks were some what half baked as far as capability. Bottle cage braze ons would be nice. Front shocks would also be desirable. Serial 1 does kind of reminds me of a Riese and Muller. That being said R&M makes bikes that appears to be better engineered and more heavy duty all around. Serial 1 would be wise to take cues from R&M. My own rant for all urban e-bike makers... ...I like to see in the near future urban e-bikes that are equipped with everything. I would like to see blinkers and bikes that put out a lot of light that don't blind anyone. Bikes need to be equipped with antitheft software. I want the ability to carry home groceries. If motorcycles and even scooters are made to include those features, why shouldn't urban e-bikes?
Very well said, excellent observations. Yeah, I was told that the weight rating is 275lbs, and some of the Riese & Müller models can support 350lbs. Maybe Serial 1 was just being conservative? I understand why some companies skip the suspension fork for a cruiser, but this could be a commuter, and their RUSH/CTY Speed also lacks suspension, which can really be useful at high speed. And you're correct, I do think that the headlight has a top cutoff to not blind traffic, good catch. I feel that some of the best innovation is taking place with the smaller companies who aren't venture funded, who can take bigger risks and blend moped/bicycle performance. The issue is, they often go above the legal power and speed limits... because that's what helps differentiate them and what many customers want. I think the big European brands have been importing products that work globally, to help achieve economies of scale, and they might also be working with legislators and lobbyists to try to make North America more like Europe with the Class 1, 2, 3 system. I don't love politics.
The answer is simply that such things would drive up the cost beyond the means of the common man. More reasonable would be modern framematerials, color displays and reasonable margins. It drives me nuts that I routinely build better bikes in my tiny shop, for far less than half the price (my margins are huge).
@@ilovephotography1254 I don't all the time. Take a FAR better groupset on an $1800 Felt gravel bike with a carbon fork. Add a 7.5# torque sensing mid-drive with slightly more torque and a 20ah battery. You are well under 40#'s have a better ride and handling for $3k, but you can go WAY down the product line, stay under 45 and still out perform it in every way. It would not have the app without some serious reprogramming I do not offer, but thst is available. It could have the lights, but I push more capable rechargeable. An 850c color display has all the features of The Brose. This isn't something special I do. Anyone with the proper tools and a 7th grade shop class education can do it. DOT approval amd required IGH's, tuen signals etc aren't even required on a motorcycle, only hand signals. Once required, that sort of testing amd standardization gets expensive. It also temd to lead to things like special lisc and insurance requirements.
@@MHH3180 I do a lot of urban night bike riding on my class3 bike. I understand the safe and practical applications of blinkers. There are plenty of bike head and tail lights that come stock on bikes that are not DOT approved. There are plenty of after market bike lights that you can buy and put on your bike that is not DOT approved. No one from the DOT is making noise about what you are suggesting... ...So what's your point? Should urban bikes riders not ride in as safe manner at night, because of DOT regulations? You mentioned motorcycle regulations. I've owned 2 motorcycles and they both had blinkers. I for one would not purchase a motorcycle without blinkers. I care too much about my safety. BTW Hand Signals at daytime doesn't work so well because a lot of people don't notice or don't understand. At night time, you're basically invisible when signaling.
You're welcome Dewey! That really stood out to me, especially for the step-thru platform that could be popular for parents. Also, I removed the spam reply from the fake account that is using my icon. Hope that didn't cause you any issues.
I guess I don’t understand the marketing. This is a “Harley Davidson” branded Ebike that ... doesn’t have a throttle , higher wattage or a above average top speed ??? This is a compny that builds very high power humongous engine motorcycles. Who are they marketing too or are they just being “safe” ? Pay attention to the company’s that can’t build enough bikes - I don’t get it 🥺
Yeah, I hear you. It doesn't look like a Harley or offer the characteristics that I would have expected. It's a great ebike on its own, like if Serial 1 was some random new company... but in that sense, the Harley connection is almost a negative or confusing. Maybe it's just the benefit of dealerships you can visit? I wonder what the service for bicycles is like at a Harley Davidson dealership? It's an interesting blend of companies and product here. Well done, but a bit confusing.
On my wish list: usb c charging option for charging the bike battery.... I don't need to carry a big and heavy charger when i do bike packing. Usb c charging at 100w (soon 240w with usb c 2.1) with a pocker charger is more than enough to charge your battery in a few hours. I just hope the european comission include the ebike in their usb c regulation for electronic devices
I tried the 2021 models and also found the default rpm setting too low and it affected my ride enjoyment, led it to be a bit sluggish and draggy. The dealer I went through was very generous with how far they let me take the bike, so hats off to them.
I'm glad to hear that your dealer was so supportive. Was it a Harley Davidson dealer, or an ebike shop? Tony from Reckless Shipyards was very supportive, and it was interesting to learn that Serial 1 also sells direct.
A lot of ebikes are priced in this range now, especially with electronic drivetrains and custom frames like this. Here's an $11k ebike for you to check out, just for fun! electricbikereview.com/riese-muller/delite-25/
I was wondering if u are planning on doing another interview with justin from grin Technologies. Ur the gold Standard in reviewing & interviewing ebikes & execs, and ebike shop owners. Thank u for all the great content over the years and I hope u keep it up!
Hey, thanks Robert! That's a great suggestion, thank you! I've been in touch with Justin and would love to do another tour/interview. His channel has some amazing videos now, in case you haven't seen them. I like the one with the solar trailer they did recently! th-cam.com/users/GrinTechnologies
RIGHT! Simply just way too too expensive. Better off using that money to buy a Tesla. 🤣😂🤣😂 Nobody is going to buy that bike....it's too simple and honestly, I don't see the value and any perks to really offset the cost.. In summary, "I'm out!" (Said in Mr. Wonderfuls voice)
That's a GREAT question. They didn't say anything about a trike to me. Exciting idea for sure. Even an ebike with a sidecar would be unique. I saw something like that from Mod bikes a while back electricbikereview.com/mod-bikes/easy-cruiser/
The Rush/City step thru is good looking bike, but I think it has less toque and battery Wh than the Evelo Omega. How did the Serial 1 ride compared to the Evelo Omega? And do you like the different modes: eco, sport, turbo etc.. over just and assist 1-5 ?
I like the finish of the Serial 1, but appreciate the throttle from EVELO. The battery capacity on the RUSH/CTY Step-Thru is lower, but I still think it's enough for casual rides. It's cool that they sell the upgraded 706wh pack as an option... though it costs > $1k from what I've heard. The assist levels seemed comparable to me. Comparing Dapu to Brose, I'd choose Brose, but then you don't get the throttle. I guess they are both pretty good. I do like the aesthetic of the racks on this bike, even with the lower weight rating.
Court, which e bikes have the Gates carbon belt drive but don’t use the eternal gearing system, like the Automatiq. The automatic gears seems like they all shut off at 20mph even if you are pedaling. I like the idea of the internal gearing, one less thing to worry about, on other bikes I can still get assistance past a certain speed.
Hi Clay! Some of the drivetrain options have been changing year over year, but the best companies to explore, who use Gates Carbon Drive and some sort of CVT or IGH include Riese & Müller, EVELO, DOST, and now Serial 1. There are others, but these companies are the ones I'm most familiar with. I think Gazelle also has one that uses the mechanical version of the Enviolo: electricbikereview.com/gazelle/arroyo-c7-hmb-elite/
Well Court you finally tipped your hand….quite literally: I now see how all of your excessive hand movements in your videos (especially with the shadow addition) relate since you mentioned dresses when talking about the belt guard. Pretty (get it) SLY !
Lol, dresses are just so much easier to put on!! No, I'm just thinking of my girlfriend and how my jeans always get snagged and greasy from cycling. I think I'm an artistic left brain type of person, so I move my hands a lot when talking because I'm kind of just talking to myself and trying to ignore pedestrians and the bike manager and shop manager.
You do an ABSOLUTE GREAT JOB Court !!!!! And another thing I like is that you don’t take life too serious :) Keep up the good work with whatever hand action that’s needed …..once again smiley faces …..
Hmm, I didn't explore that part of the bike as much because my time was very limited. Perhaps someone else can offer guidance, or you can contact Serial 1 directly for support?
Having just covered the EVELO Omega with AUTOMATiQ, I see what you mean. That one uses a Dapu motor and isn't as refined, doesn't offer the sizes or colors, but does offer a second battery option and throttle electricbikereview.com/evelo/2022-omega/ what do you think the closest comparison would be to the Serial 1 Rush models? DOST maybe?
When you say the Evelo Omega isn’t as refined because of the Dapu motor? Because I’m a little heavier rider, so I thought the motor and toque on the Omega would be better for a larger individual. Or would the Serial 1 with the Brose motor do the job. I do like how the access for the battery is high up on the omega unlike the Serial 1 battery.
@@clayhull4239 Dapu is used on Eunorau's cargo bike. One of just two bikes they make I will sell. My customers load them up, use them hard and pile on the miles.
Yeah, I asked Serial 1 which model to publish first, and they asked for the Step-Thru. Initially, I wasn't sure I would even have time to cover this one and it was filmed last. Long story short... soon, and it will go live on the website before the video is fully public here, so keep an eye on electricbikereview.com/
It's difficult to price things these days. For the automatic drivetrain, Brose motor, and all of the accessories and sizes and colors they offer, I think the price is reasonable :)
These parts and this level of finish tend to cost about this much, especially with different colors and size options. Kind of crazy, but a lot of things have become expensive in recent years.
They should be very reliable, the underlying components are all sound from what I've observed with other companies using the same things. Brose motor with stock configuration, Brose display, Enviolo CVT, TRP brakes, quality fork and rims and bars. Their support team has been very responsive to my questions... and they are operating independently from Harley, HQ is in Utah.
How would you compare the CVT of the Rush/Cty against the single speed Mosh/Cty for city and bike trail riding? Which one is better since they both are class 1?
Boost spacing does NOT help strengthen wheels. It can only help if you have matching spoke offset in your rims. This makes truing them and keeping them true a little harder. It also makes them ride a touch rougher. This can be, but seldom is, done with any rim or hub. I would have to see their rim up close to see if there is any advantage, but they sound more like traditional 650b mtb wheels.
Would rather see that glove box used for a larger battery, perhaps one that is not proprietary. 60#'s on a $5k bike!?! Did they use straight gauge aluminum? 560wh's is nothing on such a heavy bike. 750 isn't really up to contemporary standards.
I have never had a problem with plastic fenders, but that does seem kind of cheap for a $5k bike. Hopefully people will realize that those brake lights aren't DOT approved or positioned. You still need to hand signal or you could be held responsible in a rear collision.
It is nice to see they aren't trying to use off road suspension for on road comfort. That should help make handling all that extra weight a lot easier. It's nice to see a real headlight for once and that app is pretty awesome. I wonder though how long it will be til such things are available from everyone. Your only real expense is in development. I know I can do almost all those things on Bafang motors now.
Great insights Mark, thanks for challenging my statements and adding your own technical perspectives. I'm pinning your comment.
@@ElectricBikeReview I apologize. My replies do come off as attacks. I am not good at tact. I promise though, the things I post are common knowledge among experienced cycling enthusiasts, tech's, frame builders and fitters. It really needs to become a part of the e-bike world.
Looks solid. Definitely pricey, but looks well built. Riding High H-D in G'boro NC has these, but I have not tested one "yet". I would love to see the Rush City and the new DOST w/ belt as a side-by-side comparison.
@3wheelmannc860 have you tested one yet? I’m in Charlotte & the stores around here didn’t have any the last time I tried to find one to test
I have the Rush Cty Speed purchased in 2021 and it has 3000 miles on it. It is a great bike for hop-on recreational rides of 40 miles or less with family or friends. It is also the bike I road trip with my wife and her Blix Aveny. I have another bike that is my go to exercise rides 50+ miles that includes paved and unpaved trails/roads.
My only complaint is the Ride App that was promised when I bought it in 2021 is not compatible with pre-2022 models. The bikes are otherwise identical so I can vouch for the quiet and excellent drive train/motor and overall build quality of the Serial 1 bikes. They are miles ahead of the mass produced cheap component bikes being cranked out of China. It is the best truly automatic shifting bike I have ridden most ebikes at and above the Serial 1 price point. It's a good example of in the long run, you get what you pay for.
Thanks for the real life review, Robert! I'm glad to hear that you're happy with the product, and agree that the build quality and finish are excellent. This thing combines cutting edge motor, drivetrain, and build quality. I like how they integrated the wires and used name brand parts and brakes. Good stuff and justified for the price.
Yes, serial1 actively lied to the gen1 owners in order to get rid of stock. I will never recommend this company to anyone.
There's always problems! As well thought out as this bicycle is, they didn't put frame attachment points for adding accessories. It's the same story with the new Serial 1 Switch Mountain model. But hey, the Switch Mountain is sold out, so maybe consumers don't care. If they're going to charge $5k for a bicycle it better cover all the bases important to the buyer. 10kg capacity for the front and rear racks is equal to 22 pounds if anyone was wondering. I always exceed the rack capacity on my motorcycle and it's never broken, so you can probably do the same with these racks. It's kinda odd to see plastic fenders on a Harley vehicle, but I guess weight is a bigger factor on a bicycle.
I appreciate your insights! Hope your bike holds up well and you have some great rides MotorheadRedo!
Maybe that's why these are on sale at -75% now. (1300EUR for this MY2021)
I would probably go with the Gazelle C380. A little less money, but it has a lot of the features that are missing on this bike. This one looks like it may be a "itch" to work on with all the "stuff" hidden in the frame.
Agree 100%! I actually really like the whole Serial1 line up but i would still go with a C380 over the Rush. I still would love to have a Mosh, love the look and its a bike that would force me to work a lil harder!
Gazelle C380 is great. I also like the Specialized Turbo Vado as well.
I've had my new Gazelle Ultimate C380 for 3 months 600 miles and I just love it. I'm developing a habit/technique of "micro-shifting" that I've never experienced on any bike. The infinite variable 380 shifting is just amazing. I have stopped using my car
That's cool @Kip Wylie! I've had bikes felt like there were missing a gear because the cadence I wanted just didn''t exist between sprocket sizes. The CVT gives you so many options, you can get it feeling perfect :)
I just wish Gazelle release a class 3 28mph (45kmh) version, now it's only a class 1 version.
Definitely a premium built bike and not a bad deal at $5K which having the "Harley Davidson" label on the bike probably contributes to the price.
The question for potential buyers of this bike is whether or not they need to buy a "Lexus" when a "Toyota" will provide the necessary functionality and reliability at a much lower price.
That's a great point, there are a lot of "check the box" ebikes out there, but this one has the automatic shifting and sizes, that alone really increases the cost... but also improves the ride experience. For a retired person, or someone who is replacing a car, that could definitely be worth it.
Love it
I need to stop watching your reviews. It's costing me alot of money. I now have this bike along with the speed version, bh rebel gravel, stromer ST3 and a BH mid drive. How do rate this bike compared to a Stromer? I also wish BH would come back.
So they want us to go green but they charge these outrageous prices. Not many people can afford $5,000 for a bicycle.
Hi Robert, here are dozens of less expensive models with simpler drivetrains and more basic builds. I realize that some of these ebikes are far out of reach in terms of price, it's nice to have options out there... even if some are more premium. electricbikereview.com/category/affordable/
Could have included a SR suntour suspension seatpost in for the 5k asking price. Nice bike, personally would look elsewhere at that price.
Agreed it's way too expensive.
It would be cool to see their ebikes with a nice suspension post and stem, they could partner with Red Shift Sports to make one with internal cable routing! I think it would be especially relevant for the Class 3 model RUSH/CTY Speed electricbikereview.com/serial-1/2022-rush-cty-speed/
What happens when the battery is empty (or even removed), do you loose the rear gearbox, is it still engaged?
Cool. premium stuff .
Stand alone that's not a 1k bike, but let's be generous and say it is. Being Generous again the motor and battery 1k. Let's be extra generous and say all together 2.5k. Making a generous profit on this bike.
Dude, then your the one in the wrong business, open a bike company and sell a bike like this for 2500 REAL world pricing on them is 3-4000 with the automatic.
I so want to love this bike (very nice feature set) but I can't get past the p ...........................
Lots of companies going with the higher price points, I suspect their input costs and all of the logistics have gotten very expensive in recent years. Still, it's a high quality build with great size and color options. Hardly anyone else has the same app features they do with the SIM card and Google integration.
On one hand, this bike appears to try to integrate some interesting features. Thumbs up for the antitheft app, a great feature. I like the tail lights. The headlight appears to have a cutoff lens that would prevent light spill so, not blind on coming traffic. Court, maybe you can inquire if that is so? The motor and drivetrain another nice feature. On the other hand, as Court had pointed out the racks were some what half baked as far as capability. Bottle cage braze ons would be nice. Front shocks would also be desirable.
Serial 1 does kind of reminds me of a Riese and Muller. That being said R&M makes bikes that appears to be better engineered and more heavy duty all around. Serial 1 would be wise to take cues from R&M.
My own rant for all urban e-bike makers...
...I like to see in the near future urban e-bikes that are equipped with everything. I would like to see blinkers and bikes that put out a lot of light that don't blind anyone. Bikes need to be equipped with antitheft software. I want the ability to carry home groceries. If motorcycles and even scooters are made to include those features, why shouldn't urban e-bikes?
Very well said, excellent observations. Yeah, I was told that the weight rating is 275lbs, and some of the Riese & Müller models can support 350lbs. Maybe Serial 1 was just being conservative?
I understand why some companies skip the suspension fork for a cruiser, but this could be a commuter, and their RUSH/CTY Speed also lacks suspension, which can really be useful at high speed. And you're correct, I do think that the headlight has a top cutoff to not blind traffic, good catch.
I feel that some of the best innovation is taking place with the smaller companies who aren't venture funded, who can take bigger risks and blend moped/bicycle performance. The issue is, they often go above the legal power and speed limits... because that's what helps differentiate them and what many customers want. I think the big European brands have been importing products that work globally, to help achieve economies of scale, and they might also be working with legislators and lobbyists to try to make North America more like Europe with the Class 1, 2, 3 system. I don't love politics.
The answer is simply that such things would drive up the cost beyond the means of the common man. More reasonable would be modern framematerials, color displays and reasonable margins. It drives me nuts that I routinely build better bikes in my tiny shop, for far less than half the price (my margins are huge).
@@MHH3180 If you do a compare and contrast of what you get and what you pay that is not true.
@@ilovephotography1254 I don't all the time. Take a FAR better groupset on an $1800 Felt gravel bike with a carbon fork. Add a 7.5# torque sensing mid-drive with slightly more torque and a 20ah battery. You are well under 40#'s have a better ride and handling for $3k, but you can go WAY down the product line, stay under 45 and still out perform it in every way. It would not have the app without some serious reprogramming I do not offer, but thst is available. It could have the lights, but I push more capable rechargeable. An 850c color display has all the features of The Brose. This isn't something special I do. Anyone with the proper tools and a 7th grade shop class education can do it. DOT approval amd required IGH's, tuen signals etc aren't even required on a motorcycle, only hand signals. Once required, that sort of testing amd standardization gets expensive. It also temd to lead to things like special lisc and insurance requirements.
@@MHH3180 I do a lot of urban night bike riding on my class3 bike. I understand the safe and practical applications of blinkers.
There are plenty of bike head and tail lights that come stock on bikes that are not DOT approved. There are plenty of after market bike lights that you can buy and put on your bike that is not DOT approved. No one from the DOT is making noise about what you are suggesting...
...So what's your point? Should urban bikes riders not ride in as safe manner at night, because of DOT regulations?
You mentioned motorcycle regulations. I've owned 2 motorcycles and they both had blinkers. I for one would not purchase a motorcycle without blinkers. I care too much about my safety.
BTW Hand Signals at daytime doesn't work so well because a lot of people don't notice or don't understand. At night time, you're basically invisible when signaling.
Thank you for mentioning the rear rack cannot accept a child seat. Very helpful.
You're welcome Dewey! That really stood out to me, especially for the step-thru platform that could be popular for parents. Also, I removed the spam reply from the fake account that is using my icon. Hope that didn't cause you any issues.
I guess I don’t understand the marketing.
This is a “Harley Davidson” branded Ebike that ... doesn’t have a throttle , higher wattage or a above average top speed ???
This is a compny that builds very high power humongous engine motorcycles. Who are they marketing too or are they just being “safe” ?
Pay attention to the company’s that can’t build enough bikes - I don’t get it 🥺
Yeah, I hear you. It doesn't look like a Harley or offer the characteristics that I would have expected. It's a great ebike on its own, like if Serial 1 was some random new company... but in that sense, the Harley connection is almost a negative or confusing. Maybe it's just the benefit of dealerships you can visit? I wonder what the service for bicycles is like at a Harley Davidson dealership? It's an interesting blend of companies and product here. Well done, but a bit confusing.
"Harley" and "high powered" should NEVER be used in the same comment.
On my wish list: usb c charging option for charging the bike battery....
I don't need to carry a big and heavy charger when i do bike packing. Usb c charging at 100w (soon 240w with usb c 2.1) with a pocker charger is more than enough to charge your battery in a few hours.
I just hope the european comission include the ebike in their usb c regulation for electronic devices
I tried the 2021 models and also found the default rpm setting too low and it affected my ride enjoyment, led it to be a bit sluggish and draggy. The dealer I went through was very generous with how far they let me take the bike, so hats off to them.
I'm glad to hear that your dealer was so supportive. Was it a Harley Davidson dealer, or an ebike shop? Tony from Reckless Shipyards was very supportive, and it was interesting to learn that Serial 1 also sells direct.
@@ElectricBikeReview Trev Deeley in East Van. Stu was very helpful. I tested the RUSH and MOSH bikes.
5k for an ebike way out of line
Harley Davidson LOL.
A lot of ebikes are priced in this range now, especially with electronic drivetrains and custom frames like this. Here's an $11k ebike for you to check out, just for fun! electricbikereview.com/riese-muller/delite-25/
I was wondering if u are planning on doing another interview with justin from grin Technologies.
Ur the gold
Standard in reviewing & interviewing ebikes & execs, and ebike shop owners.
Thank u for all the great content over the years and I hope u keep it up!
Hey, thanks Robert! That's a great suggestion, thank you! I've been in touch with Justin and would love to do another tour/interview. His channel has some amazing videos now, in case you haven't seen them. I like the one with the solar trailer they did recently! th-cam.com/users/GrinTechnologies
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No I haven't ill check it out thx for the suggestion
What stood out to me is the cost.
It's not a cheap piece of Chinese garbage. Components such as Enviolo Automatiq CVT drivetrain + gates belt drive = 5K territory.
RIGHT!
Simply just way too too expensive.
Better off using that money to buy a Tesla. 🤣😂🤣😂
Nobody is going to buy that bike....it's too simple and honestly, I don't see the value and any perks to really offset the cost..
In summary, "I'm out!"
(Said in Mr. Wonderfuls voice)
Lol
Do they have a trike in the works?
That's a GREAT question. They didn't say anything about a trike to me. Exciting idea for sure. Even an ebike with a sidecar would be unique. I saw something like that from Mod bikes a while back electricbikereview.com/mod-bikes/easy-cruiser/
The Rush/City step thru is good looking bike, but I think it has less toque and battery Wh than the Evelo Omega. How did the Serial 1 ride compared to the Evelo Omega? And do you like the different modes: eco, sport, turbo etc.. over just and assist 1-5 ?
I like the finish of the Serial 1, but appreciate the throttle from EVELO. The battery capacity on the RUSH/CTY Step-Thru is lower, but I still think it's enough for casual rides. It's cool that they sell the upgraded 706wh pack as an option... though it costs > $1k from what I've heard. The assist levels seemed comparable to me. Comparing Dapu to Brose, I'd choose Brose, but then you don't get the throttle. I guess they are both pretty good. I do like the aesthetic of the racks on this bike, even with the lower weight rating.
Hi, I love you channel and your reviews are amazing. Are you planning to review Trek FX+ 2 anytime in future? Thank you. 😊
Yeah, that bike is on my list! Hopefully in the coming month I'll have access to it. Thanks for the compliment Keyur! Doing my best here ;)
Court, which e bikes have the Gates carbon belt drive but don’t use the eternal gearing system, like the Automatiq. The automatic gears seems like they all shut off at 20mph even if you are pedaling. I like the idea of the internal gearing, one less thing to worry about, on other bikes I can still get assistance past a certain speed.
Hi Clay! Some of the drivetrain options have been changing year over year, but the best companies to explore, who use Gates Carbon Drive and some sort of CVT or IGH include Riese & Müller, EVELO, DOST, and now Serial 1. There are others, but these companies are the ones I'm most familiar with. I think Gazelle also has one that uses the mechanical version of the Enviolo: electricbikereview.com/gazelle/arroyo-c7-hmb-elite/
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You got it :D
Well Court you finally tipped your hand….quite literally:
I now see how all of your excessive hand movements in your videos (especially with the shadow addition) relate since you mentioned dresses when talking about the belt guard.
Pretty (get it) SLY !
Lol, dresses are just so much easier to put on!! No, I'm just thinking of my girlfriend and how my jeans always get snagged and greasy from cycling. I think I'm an artistic left brain type of person, so I move my hands a lot when talking because I'm kind of just talking to myself and trying to ignore pedestrians and the bike manager and shop manager.
You do an ABSOLUTE GREAT JOB Court !!!!!
And another thing I like is that you don’t take life too serious :)
Keep up the good work with whatever hand action that’s needed …..once again smiley faces …..
Having issues with the data plan and locking the bike…
Hmm, I didn't explore that part of the bike as much because my time was very limited. Perhaps someone else can offer guidance, or you can contact Serial 1 directly for support?
Beautiful ebike, very spendy but simple and clean design.
It's got a lot of competition out there with more standard features for the same cash
Having just covered the EVELO Omega with AUTOMATiQ, I see what you mean. That one uses a Dapu motor and isn't as refined, doesn't offer the sizes or colors, but does offer a second battery option and throttle electricbikereview.com/evelo/2022-omega/ what do you think the closest comparison would be to the Serial 1 Rush models? DOST maybe?
When you say the Evelo Omega isn’t as refined because of the Dapu motor? Because I’m a little heavier rider, so I thought the motor and toque on the Omega would be better for a larger individual. Or would the Serial 1 with the Brose motor do the job. I do like how the access for the battery is high up on the omega unlike the Serial 1 battery.
@@clayhull4239 Dapu is used on Eunorau's cargo bike. One of just two bikes they make I will sell. My customers load them up, use them hard and pile on the miles.
The review for mosh is coming soon?
Yeah, I asked Serial 1 which model to publish first, and they asked for the Step-Thru. Initially, I wasn't sure I would even have time to cover this one and it was filmed last. Long story short... soon, and it will go live on the website before the video is fully public here, so keep an eye on electricbikereview.com/
Need to call out the weird square shaped motor housing. Where is the mens frame?
Hi Scott! I just published the RUSH/CTY Speed today, which is a high-step Class 3 model: electricbikereview.com/serial-1/2022-rush-cty-speed/
Definitely not worth 5k lmao sorry
It's difficult to price things these days. For the automatic drivetrain, Brose motor, and all of the accessories and sizes and colors they offer, I think the price is reasonable :)
Cool bikes but the prices are ridiculous
No, they're competitive compared to bikes with similar components. Can buy some Rad thingy for 2K.
These parts and this level of finish tend to cost about this much, especially with different colors and size options. Kind of crazy, but a lot of things have become expensive in recent years.
I hope they prove to be more dependable than Harley-Davidson motorcycles the price is outrageous just like Harley motorcycles.
They should be very reliable, the underlying components are all sound from what I've observed with other companies using the same things. Brose motor with stock configuration, Brose display, Enviolo CVT, TRP brakes, quality fork and rims and bars. Their support team has been very responsive to my questions... and they are operating independently from Harley, HQ is in Utah.
How would you compare the CVT of the Rush/Cty against the single speed Mosh/Cty for city and bike trail riding? Which one is better since they both are class 1?