The ID44 is the clear winner here. Juicier preamps, more headroom, and less noise. The difference in guitar tones was pretty evident to me. I have a Clarett 4Pre, which is a great interface, but this further solidified my decision to order an ID44.
The problem with videos like this is that they don't sound all that different on a single source, or they sound marginally different but that isn't true once you have a bunch of signals that you're mixing. The difference in sound is amplified when you have a bunch of tracks on top of each other in a mix.
Just looking at this. You probably want a white noise generator to see which is coloring the sound and how. I personally want the preamps on my interface to be uncolored and transparent. Then whichever has the lowest noise floor wins. Preamps that are changing the original sound are adding distortion no matter how much you may or may not like the sound. With the Behringer, it sounds like you have a ground loop. My understanding of the electronics is that the best S/N ratio is what the preamp is all the way on. (100%).
That’s a good idea. I guess my approach was more of a “real world” impression: how does it sound in some scenarios you may find yourself in? But white noise, or some kind of test signal, would certainly get a more scientific result. Thanks for watching 👌
Just as a sidenote I saw another video where the guy was actually able to take readings of the interfaces. He found the same thing, that the Behringer was noisier at max level.. but generally when you’re recording you’ve only got the preamps up to -18 to -12 DB and that backing the Behringer off just 2db from max dropped the noise floor way down. At typical recording levels of -18 to -12 there was no difference between the Behringer and other interfaces costing more than twice as much.
That's great addition, thanks. If I were out recording and I just needed something inexpensive to stick in the kit bag, I would have absolutely no qualms using the Behringer; I think it's quiet enough for most scenarios. Maybe not on a classical session though :D
Great video. I use a Soundcraft Signature 22mtk to record drums(18 mics) and a Behringer umc1820+adat8200 for linemixing analog outboard in my little studio. I try to update my recording preamps with 2x Audient ASP880 and the id44. Ity's good to hear the difference. Not versus my Soundcraft interface unfortunately but good to hear the clean/clear Audient preamps versus the "smiley" Behringer-ones (Midas?)...
They definitely sound different. Although the Audient was the cleanest I think I prefer the Focusrite sound. I currently use a Behringer UMC204 which is ok, but the noise floor comparison makes me want an upgrade sooner than later.
Are you sure that with the gain knob turned up to maximum, the Behringer preamplifier gave the same amplification factor as the other two interfaces? I mean that if Behringer has a higher amplification factor, then this comparison is not worth a penny
SO basically the answer is no not so much the interface is the preamp. . ...thats not surprising. If however I was using the interface for midi and for other in the box productions, then no the interface doesn't really make too much of a difference except for latency but that's a horse of a different color.
When the ambient noise in your listening environment is an order of magnitude higher than the noise floor of the converter, the distortion from your loudspeakers is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than distortion produced by the converter and the frequency and phase responses of the converter are ruler flat - it makes me wonder what differences people think they are hearing.
Hi Duncan, thanks for watching. Did you hear no difference between the interfaces? Maybe try with headphones to negate any interference from your room, as you mentioned 🙂 To me there was a noticeable difference; whether it makes a significant difference to the recording is down to others to decide 🙂
Funfact is that in a realworld scenario it does'nt matter at all. Plugins and analog Outboard will make a bigger noisefloor in the mixing stage than a new interface ever can produce. In the old days of Tape just from day to day there where sounddifferences. How the heads where cleaned, which Tape was used, was it the first or fifth take on that Tape etc etc.....and there was not the console noise included. What is the takeaway? Gear does not make you professional, it's the Song, the arrangement, the choices and the mix. So the answer is "no" it does not make a difference.
I think that’s some great insight 👍 Other factors will introduce more noise than modern interfaces, although perhaps not everyone is using outboard gear and consoles in their setup. I think you’re 100% correct in saying that the gear does not make a great result, it’s down to the song, the recording, the mix and the ears; perhaps that’s food for another video further down the line 🙂 Thanks for watching.
Presonus 1824? I find it to be more smooth as well. At least mine comparitively speaking to the Focusrite or Mackie Big Knob Studio, other's I've used. The Behringer can have a noise spike at or around 2500, or maybe it's just my friends who FINALLY got a different interface and improved his vocals overnight. He went with the ID44, which is right on par with this vid. I feel like this video is..... Hey, lets compare two pieces of junk to something we know is really good. Focusrite is barely better than Behringer. Neither would I ever own again. That's my take on it. I'll get off my soap box now. Next time compare good interface to good interface, not popular and cheap to a good interface, but I guess that is all relative now isn't it?
In my experience with condenser mics and guitars using an UMC404HD from 2017 (the one that needs to be connected to the AC adapter and does not support being only powered by the USB cable such as the most recent ones) and an ID14 MKIi is the Behringer preamp colores the sound a little bit. The Audient is definitely more transparent.
I dont think it's fair to say the differences are subtle. Or what would be substantial? Sound vs no sound? The better the interface/pres the easier it will be in terms of processing. With lesser pre you're always fighting and spending time to get it sound ok or ok-. I would much rather start mixing with tracks recorded with that audient than the behringer no question.
I think a substantial difference would be one that instantly made you notice an improvement or otherwise. You shouldn’t have to listen critically to hear it, it would clearly be there for all to hear. I’m a big fan of the Audient, but I think the Behringer held its own, and I wouldn’t be able to listen to track and automatically know which interface it was recorded with, as in my opinion, the differences are too subtle for that. Thanks for watching!
To my ears the audient sounds mushy and boxy in the midrange in this and every other video I've watched, so I'm glad I didn't buy one, I honestly think it sounds like total crap. Out of the 3 my favorite is the Scarlett, but that hum with 48v on and gain maxed out is unacceptable IMHO, not to mention the many accounts of hardware failure that plague the brand. I've recently replaced my Komplete Audio 6 mk1 with an SSL 2+ expecting to hear no difference at all (did it for the better drivers and update support basically), but was pleasantly surprised to hear noticeably better low end even on my tiny iLouds, totally worth the buy.
mids were a bit more forward on the 44 how about latency for the thu sim in daw monitor mode any good i know drum vsts and synths dog most interfaces down except rme, how is audient
I think that’s the main takeaway from the video; although the differences are there, they are very small, and as you say, once you get them in a full mix with multiple tracks at the same time, it may be hard to tell the difference. There are also those who would say that once you get lots of tracks in there, the small differences will add up to make a far greater difference. Either way, thanks for watching, and for joining the conversation 🙂
The ID44 is the clear winner here. Juicier preamps, more headroom, and less noise. The difference in guitar tones was pretty evident to me. I have a Clarett 4Pre, which is a great interface, but this further solidified my decision to order an ID44.
The problem with videos like this is that they don't sound all that different on a single source, or they sound marginally different but that isn't true once you have a bunch of signals that you're mixing. The difference in sound is amplified when you have a bunch of tracks on top of each other in a mix.
Just looking at this. You probably want a white noise generator to see which is coloring the sound and how. I personally want the preamps on my interface to be uncolored and transparent. Then whichever has the lowest noise floor wins. Preamps that are changing the original sound are adding distortion no matter how much you may or may not like the sound. With the Behringer, it sounds like you have a ground loop. My understanding of the electronics is that the best S/N ratio is what the preamp is all the way on. (100%).
That’s a good idea. I guess my approach was more of a “real world” impression: how does it sound in some scenarios you may find yourself in? But white noise, or some kind of test signal, would certainly get a more scientific result. Thanks for watching 👌
Just as a sidenote I saw another video where the guy was actually able to take readings of the interfaces. He found the same thing, that the Behringer was noisier at max level.. but generally when you’re recording you’ve only got the preamps up to -18 to -12 DB and that backing the Behringer off just 2db from max dropped the noise floor way down. At typical recording levels of -18 to -12 there was no difference between the Behringer and other interfaces costing more than twice as much.
That's great addition, thanks. If I were out recording and I just needed something inexpensive to stick in the kit bag, I would have absolutely no qualms using the Behringer; I think it's quiet enough for most scenarios. Maybe not on a classical session though :D
This is a GREAT video! I actually have the id44 on order, and I'm feeling pretty good about my purchase. Thanks for the info!
Thanks Bill! It’s a great interface and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed 👌 Take care.
Great video. I use a Soundcraft Signature 22mtk to record drums(18 mics) and a Behringer umc1820+adat8200 for linemixing analog outboard in my little studio. I try to update my recording preamps with 2x Audient ASP880 and the id44.
Ity's good to hear the difference. Not versus my Soundcraft interface unfortunately but good to hear the clean/clear Audient preamps versus the "smiley" Behringer-ones (Midas?)...
They definitely sound different. Although the Audient was the cleanest I think I prefer the Focusrite sound. I currently use a Behringer UMC204 which is ok, but the noise floor comparison makes me want an upgrade sooner than later.
To each their own. Nothing wrong with the Behringer at all!
Are you sure that with the gain knob turned up to maximum, the Behringer preamplifier gave the same amplification factor as the other two interfaces? I mean that if Behringer has a higher amplification factor, then this comparison is not worth a penny
SO basically the answer is no not so much the interface is the preamp. . ...thats not surprising. If however I was using the interface for midi and for other in the box productions, then no the interface doesn't really make too much of a difference except for latency but that's a horse of a different color.
Audient n' Universal Always Got Grammy'
That intro song kicks ass Sammy.
Thanks Charlie 👍 One day I’ll make it into a full track!
Is Behringer's preamp max amplification factor equal to other two interfaces?
When the ambient noise in your listening environment is an order of magnitude higher than the noise floor of the converter, the distortion from your loudspeakers is a couple of orders of magnitude greater than distortion produced by the converter and the frequency and phase responses of the converter are ruler flat - it makes me wonder what differences people think they are hearing.
Hi Duncan, thanks for watching. Did you hear no difference between the interfaces? Maybe try with headphones to negate any interference from your room, as you mentioned 🙂 To me there was a noticeable difference; whether it makes a significant difference to the recording is down to others to decide 🙂
Funfact is that in a realworld scenario it does'nt matter at all.
Plugins and analog Outboard will make a bigger noisefloor in the mixing stage than a new interface ever can produce. In the old days of Tape just from day to day there where sounddifferences. How the heads where cleaned, which Tape was used, was it the first or fifth take on that Tape etc etc.....and there was not the console noise included.
What is the takeaway? Gear does not make you professional, it's the Song, the arrangement, the choices and the mix. So the answer is "no" it does not make a difference.
I think that’s some great insight 👍 Other factors will introduce more noise than modern interfaces, although perhaps not everyone is using outboard gear and consoles in their setup.
I think you’re 100% correct in saying that the gear does not make a great result, it’s down to the song, the recording, the mix and the ears; perhaps that’s food for another video further down the line 🙂 Thanks for watching.
Presonus 1824? I find it to be more smooth as well. At least mine comparitively speaking to the Focusrite or Mackie Big Knob Studio, other's I've used. The Behringer can have a noise spike at or around 2500, or maybe it's just my friends who FINALLY got a different interface and improved his vocals overnight. He went with the ID44, which is right on par with this vid. I feel like this video is..... Hey, lets compare two pieces of junk to something we know is really good. Focusrite is barely better than Behringer. Neither would I ever own again. That's my take on it. I'll get off my soap box now. Next time compare good interface to good interface, not popular and cheap to a good interface, but I guess that is all relative now isn't it?
In my experience with condenser mics and guitars using an UMC404HD from 2017 (the one that needs to be connected to the AC adapter and does not support being only powered by the USB cable such as the most recent ones) and an ID14 MKIi is the Behringer preamp colores the sound a little bit. The Audient is definitely more transparent.
Good vid 👌
Thanks for watching 👍
I dont think it's fair to say the differences are subtle. Or what would be substantial? Sound vs no sound? The better the interface/pres the easier it will be in terms of processing. With lesser pre you're always fighting and spending time to get it sound ok or ok-. I would much rather start mixing with tracks recorded with that audient than the behringer no question.
I think a substantial difference would be one that instantly made you notice an improvement or otherwise. You shouldn’t have to listen critically to hear it, it would clearly be there for all to hear.
I’m a big fan of the Audient, but I think the Behringer held its own, and I wouldn’t be able to listen to track and automatically know which interface it was recorded with, as in my opinion, the differences are too subtle for that.
Thanks for watching!
What specs and measurments should I look for when comparing ADC's ?
10:20 behringer sounds best??😯
To my ears the audient sounds mushy and boxy in the midrange in this and every other video I've watched, so I'm glad I didn't buy one, I honestly think it sounds like total crap. Out of the 3 my favorite is the Scarlett, but that hum with 48v on and gain maxed out is unacceptable IMHO, not to mention the many accounts of hardware failure that plague the brand. I've recently replaced my Komplete Audio 6 mk1 with an SSL 2+ expecting to hear no difference at all (did it for the better drivers and update support basically), but was pleasantly surprised to hear noticeably better low end even on my tiny iLouds, totally worth the buy.
mids were a bit more forward on the 44 how about latency for the thu sim in daw monitor mode any good i know drum vsts and synths dog most interfaces down except rme, how is audient
Thanks for watching. Latency will depend on a few other factors as well, but on the whole I’m getting no audible latency.
......... This is a typical non sense video where the differences will be such inexistant in the final mix!
I think that’s the main takeaway from the video; although the differences are there, they are very small, and as you say, once you get them in a full mix with multiple tracks at the same time, it may be hard to tell the difference. There are also those who would say that once you get lots of tracks in there, the small differences will add up to make a far greater difference. Either way, thanks for watching, and for joining the conversation 🙂
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Simple answer: NO!
Did you not watch the video?
@@raymondwilson3255 thanks so much
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