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I've had my G700 for a little over 3 years now and it's worked great thus far (it replaced a JET 2HP cyclone). I've never run it at full power (maybe 3/4 at most) and notice no problems with suction. One other con I've experienced is getting a really good seal on the dust bin when emptying/replacing the bags. Even after cleaning everything well, my particulate meter would start having a fit while the G700 was running. I've started putting the removable gaskets, that normally sit on the metal bin and under the collection bags, over the bags instead. The seal is perfectly air tight every time now.
Thanks for the video. This is a fantastic unit! I have had my G700 for over a year now, and it is invaluable. I would highly recommend for anyone in the market. I am also someone who only has one 220v circuit (dual outlet, 30 amp) and am able to run this along with my other 220 equipment. Powerful, efficient, and quiet.
Thanks for the updated review. Your sentiments are similar to mine. Putting my shop in the basement, right under the living room made dust collection a must and noise a huge consideration. The option was to spend $X on a loud cyclone system or spend $2X on the Harvey. The whole time knowing that if I bought the cyclone, I would probably have spent another $X for soundproofing. Glad I did. My first Harvey purchase was the Harvey Alpha table saw, then the Harvey Ambasadore bandsaw and finally the G700. Haven't regretted a single penny.
I've had my G700 for a little over two years and only have positive comments for the unit. The mobility, the quiet, ease of emptying the bin, the remote. But the biggest factor for me was the form factor. The ability to slide it in and out from under the bench that is 9" longer than the machine, that was the kicker. I've never looked back.
The gentleman on Next Level Carpentry (TH-cam) was the first time I heard of the Harvey Dust collector. He has some unique handling of the duct work for this system and has effectively dealt with its unique challenges. There are a couple of videos about it.
I have an older Oneida cyclone, (and another smaller 2 stage at my other shop). I hate emptying the two stage, about a 40 gallon bag, takes about 10 minutes to wrangle the bag out and empty it. For the Oneida, i put it outside the shop, and insulated around it for noise. I built a box for the dust and chips below it, about 2 cubic yards or so, (maybe 400 to 500 gallons) with a big door that I can just open a shovel out the dust to a pile near a garden. (yeah, it is in the country on 40 acres so I don't worry about noise for others). I cycles the air thru a filter back into the shop, so doesn't exhaust all the warm air out of the shop. I like that as the container is large enough I don't have to mess with it often. With the DC outside the shop, and the bit of insulation, (rigid foam) I really don't mind the noise at all. Don't really hear the motor that much, just the air flow noise.
Stumpy, great review. I also have the G700 in my hobby shop. You touched on something that I am struggling with and that is that the inlet is on the front of the machine. I have no choice but to put a 90 elbow right out the machine. Even then with 6" pipe it still sticks out further into the room then I like. I would suggest the true footprint is now nearly 4' x 5'. I wish they had put it on the end of the machine opposite the filters. My other complaint is that when planing something light like red cedar the dust side of the bins fills faster than the chip side. By the time that the alarm goes off, the alarm is tied to the chip bin, the machine has already overflowed the dust bin and filled the heppa filters which is a real pain the backside. Even with all this, I still like the machine a lot and would recommend it
I have a big collector and hate the noise. It is also 220v 15A. I've been drooling over the Harvey for years. Thanks for this update! Looks like I'm making the switch.
I have the G700 and everything you said is true. It's so quiet I sometimes don't notice to turn it off. However, I was at first discouraged by how quickly the bins, rather the big one, seemed to fill up. (I'm looking at you planer.) Then I discovered that if I opened the bin and sort of smooshed the chips down and brushed a bunch of them to the far side of inlet, I could get 3 times as much time before having to empty the bin. It was really that dramatic. I can't recommend this unit enough.
I've had a Harvey G700 for about four years. I really like it compared to my old Jet 1.75HP DC. Much quieter and my DC 6" piping is under the shop slab, so the suction intake near the floor works perfectly. It is a pain to clean the filters if you overfill the bins and the filters get packed. It's about an hour job, as you need to disassemble the unit to get them out - assuming you've done this before. If you connect a planer with a short hose directly to the G700, you'll need to turn the speed down or the air velocity will cause the chips to bypass the drop bins and quickly pack the filters. With my 20'+ piping with elbows, I don't have that problem anymore. Also, for new owners, don't force the paddles within the filters when cleaning or they'll break. It means the filters are packed with material and you need to disassemble to clean them. Make sure you clean the filters via the self suction procedure everytime you empty the bins or you'll be sorry. Add a WYE fitting to two elbows to combine the cleanout ports to avoid crawling around on the floor for hookup. I don't mind the 32 gal bin being a bit smaller than my old Jet. Much easier to carry the bag for disposal than a 50 gal+one. The power switch on the back of the unit is a pain to turn. I just unplug the unit to reset after it shuts down when the bins are full. Overall, I am very happy with my G700. Having HEPA filters is a huge benefit for lungs and shop fine dust, as my old Jet wasn't HEPA rated and my shop got quite dusty. I would buy this again without question.
Nice video and update. I have owned the G700 for almost 3 years and I would agree with much of what you have concluded, particularly about the casters. All should be swivel. It's a good machine, but could use a few common sense improvements. While the dust bin is easy to empty (and the primary reason I bought the machine), it does not hold 32 gallons. I filled mine to capacity after planing oak and measured how much it contained. 21 gallons. 32 gallons is a "theoretical capacity" based on the external dimensions of the bin. Perhaps it would hold a bit more if it were all sanding dust, but 32 gallons? No way. I believe a big improvement to the bin capacity would be to make it one section, not two. Why does it need to be separated into fine and coarse in the first place? Another suggestion would be to move the main power switch to the front of the machine. If pushed back under a table as you have shown, you don't have access to the main switch. I had to rig a switched extension cord to have on/off access as I leave my machine under a table all the time. The main switch should be up front with the rest of the controls. Finally, the filters are a pain to remove and clean.....easily a 1-2 hour job. Removability and replacement of these filters needs improvement. Is this a good machine? IMO, Yes. Could it be a great machine? Perhaps, but only if some of the these issues are addressed.
Regarding the separate compartments, it's possible that the extraction mechanism depends on having isolated containers for the two stages. Imagine, if they were connected: any difference in the effective suction pressure between the two stages of the separator (which work off of different geometries) would result in a cross flow which could dramatically reduce efficacy. I'm not certain that this is the case, but I suspect it is so and that they have chosen the separate containers to optimize the system efficacy for fine dust. At minimum I suspect that the cyclones would need to be redesigned for a common receptacle, but also that the overall performance would be reduced as a result.
I have this unit and I generally agree with all the positive comments on it. There are two things I think to be aware of. One is the main power disconnect switch for the vfd is on the back of the unit. That could make it at least awkward to get at depending on where the unit is located. The second is that wood chips/shavings such as from a forstner bit, a wood lathe, or even sometimes from a planer can get hung up on the grating at the inlet. I have had this happen, so I am thinking of trying a separator of some sort right before that inlet. It probably wouldn’t have to be a super effective separator.
I ended up putting a Oneida super dust deputy for my planer/Jointer and then run the unit on high. Works really well. I also could not acess the switch so I bought a separate switch to disconnect the power up front.
This the dust collector I have on my list of wants/needs I like others but I prefer this works extremely well and I like the empty option on this dust collector way easier. Ya it's best to make the workbench longer and on the extra end maybe have a roll out drawer box.
I love mine, I've had it a couple of years. I agree with both your positive and your negative. I've had the same exact thoughts. Thanks for a good, honest review and not just saying the good.
Thank you for sharing, your experience with the Harvey G700 dust extractor. Seems like a great machine due to size and ease of use. Everyone stay safe, warm, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
I watched a video a ways back on a similar home made version of the Harvey 2 stage horizontal cyclone that had me interested in making one myself- but then I saw a small issue with all dust separators that have any kinds of static obstructions to the airflow. While they work great on dust and chips made from power tools - the "hang up" is hand plane shavings. The literally "hang up" on those stator turbine blade deals and make clog it up, whereas a more "traditional" cyclone does not. I realize this only applies to like 1% or maybe less of woodworkers, but spend about a few hours hand plane flattening a desk or workbench top, then suck up the shavings with the Harvey cyclone and report back what happens. (one of my first woodworking furniture projects was a computer desk for my son to take to college, I fell in love with this 6/4 walnut board for the top and didn't realize until after I got it home that it was 15" wide, which was not going trough my dewalt thicknesser. I flattened it by hand. I learned my lesson)
If I am seriously considering the purchase of pretty much any pricey product, I pay most attention to the Long Term Review videos. Even so, there are obvious shills and there are obvious haters. Caveat emptor and stuff like that. Thanks for all the great vids, Mr. Stumpy!
I did buy Fisch Forstner bits (the wavecut ones) and they're excellent. I get a clean hole every time and can even make really nice flat-bottom holes. Highly recommended!! 😃
I have been running the G700 for a couple of years. The hepa filter issue is serious. The machine pushes too much dust through to the filters and soon, dust is is leaking past the dust bin seals into the room. The filters take a very long time to access and clean. I would seriously consider the Super Cell. Or possibly the G800, which has a much better system for cleaning the filters.
The G-700 is significantly less expensive than a ClearVue these days. If I didn't already have a ClearVue (which I love and have had for over 10 years), I'd be buying a G-700.
I too have had the same machine for about three years and am very pleased with it. The one negative I found was that the chips from my Felder planer (with straight knives) tended to clog at the screen/inlet on the machine. So I put one of those cyclone separator trash can lid dealies in-between planer and collector and it works well. If I had space and budget would have gotten a proper cyclone (maybe a giant Dust Deputy) as I think that would be even better.
Any dust collector with an inlet screen (which is pretty much every single stage unit, and some of the cyclones, too) will occasionally get clogged, especially with long planer shavings.
To clarify, I wish I had set up an cyclonic unit (no motor) in between the Harvey and the planer rather than the simple cyclone lid on a trash can. Shavings from my planer are like fusili pasta and, yes, will clog just about anything.The G700 is fantastic and I greatly prefer it over other systems I'ver used. @@StumpyNubs
@@SLiMBiLT I am reading your comment with interest because of having similar experience with clogging. I am set up to collect the larger shavings like those from a Forstner bit on a drill press and what comes off a wood lathe. The planer shavings and the other dust producers are all included on the system with 3d printed ball valves at each location. I had thought that a garbage can lid separator would be good enough to to take out the stuff that causes clogging. I have no experience with a separator. But you do and it sounds like you are saying that some of the wispy shavings from your planer made it through the separator and still cause some clogging. So I’ll have to rethink how I could incorporate a cyclonic unit which takes more vertical space. And of course part of that is which one to use. Thanks for sharing your experience on trying a separator.
This thing is way out of my league, but I enjoyed the video anyway. Your delivery is so precise and easy to listen to. You need your own wood working Q&A or how-to show on CMU television. You'd be syndicated before you completed the first season. Seriously.
In limited mobility I had the same problem at my Felder AF22 with two fixed and two swivel wheels. But replaceing the fixed wheels by another two swivel wheels was no big deal.
I would vacuum my living room with this baby! Wonder if it would be possible to link it with a wood pellet heating system, so that you don't even need to empty it. Enjoy your holiday!
I can't think of an easy way to make that work, because of the need to seal the dust collection units. Actually, you could do it. Have 3 cyclones at the top instead of 2, each going into a separate bin/bin-set. Have a periodic cut-off of air in/out so only 2 are operating at a time, the third is shutting off, settling, then being emptied (probably have an opening bottom that seals) into a pellet maker. Then the bin reseals and airflow gets re-established, and the next bin gets emptied, and so on. Pellet maker probably will need dust extraction too. Then clean pellets get dumped into a hopper, to be taken to the furnace. Or sold. Needs a whole redesign of the system though. Probably cheaper to just hire someone to empty the dust bin. And have two units if you need constant dust extraction.
I have had the opportunity to talk with Harvey about a couple of issues that had nothing to do with performance. I would not be surprised if they are already working on a 4 swiveling caster option. Couldn’t hurt to call?
I purchased my G700 last year with only research to go with. I am pleased with it and it just simply works. In a few years I plan on buying a G800 or the G1500. I would be interested how much louder the G800 is if a review of that one is in the works.
I like the machine for the most part, I have had mine for about a year. The on-off disconnect switch is on the back side of the machine and is a pain to operate. I don't see any way you could easily reach it in your configuration. Harvey does have great support. Just my thoughts.
If you look up Under Dunn's centrifugal dust collector, you can see a see-through DIY version of this dust collector. He even does a half-decent explanation of how it works!
I'm working on a similar project, but mostly 3D printing it rather than trying to make those fins by hand. I modeled most of it based off of the marketing materials and whatever patents I could find.
Thanks for the long term ( road trip ) review Stumpy. It sounds like a fabulous machine with very few drawbacks. I always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming. 😊😊😊❤❤❤
The jet engine looking thing are the separator portion of the machine? Seems like if you can add them to your shop vacuum lines and add some ducts you could have the chips and dust collection outside of the shop to skies the limit storage setup. I have no idea I'm just going off what I thought while watching this.
I hate most bases with 2 fixed wheels. I've actually replace the wheels on some with all swivels. Makes it soo much easier to move things around the shop.
I believe most consumers do Not want the lowest price. Rather what they want is the best value and value essentially always has a “time” component. Follow-up reviews are actually the “real” review
i have had this for about 3 years and think overall it is excellent ... i find i need to clean the filters far more than suggested because i do a fair bit of work attached to a drum sander (and other sanders) .. i also found that the harvey method for cleaning them doesn't work so well when you do have a lot of sanding dust as opposed to chips or sawdust ... one minor annoyance is the cheap plastic caps on the filter outlets ... on one level they work ok but i just think for an expensive machine with a company that works to high tolerances in their products that they could have made them better ... notwithstanding those minor criticisms it is one purchase with which i have no regrets
Great video and review. Really appreciate that your experience over several years is featured. I'm afraid that my needs don't justify the price. How about a g350?
Pretty impressive machine indeed, James! 😃 Thanks a bunch for the long term review and all the info! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 And happy holidays!
Seems like a sweet set up other than the size of the bin, those filter beaters and the port location. Like you said some days I can fill a 55 gallon drum in an hour and some times not for a week. Running my hand around my filter on my system makes me cringe because you can see the little whisps of filter media start to poke out. It's to bad they couldn't do a top side inlet as an option. I'm curious as to how fine of dust particles it will drop. Like my cyclone can drop dust from my wide belt sander on a 100 grit belt but can't really handle a 150 belt.
How many (and what machines) do you have connected to the Harvey and to your cyclone machine? Which do you think would handle multiple tools being used simultaneously better?
The g800 really jumps up in cost, would be nice to see a true comparison to justify the more than double price tag. And the bin isn’t all that much bigger.
G800 has more HP (3), higher static pressure, greater CFM (+100) at the machine port, slightly larger filters and bins, automatic filter cleaning system, wireless auto-on/off with machines, and other tech suff.
Oh, you covered this. Cool. The form factor interferes with the most valuable in my shop. It is competing with my carts and benches. It could go under a bench but storage is valuable too. Vehicle stack works out better for me. I also do not understand any compromise you make for the ducting intake. Having my dust pipes go down after going up isn’t terrible but it is already up high on a traditional system. It’s either a extra long diagonal or a straight vertical run coming out of it. It is cool and I’d love to experience it but ugh, it’s rough.
The only reason I would go up is to get to a machine in the middle of a large shop. Otherwise I'd just stay low all the way around the shop.... The footprint is only about 2 sq ft larger than a typical cyclone with its filter stack. I'd trade that for the gain in wall space any day.
So torn by this thing, i like a lot about it but a lot bugs me too. Mobile, yes it has wheels but i couldn't move this around, swivel or not. And i cant run permanent ducts in my shop due to garage door and configuration if tools...and that outlet being in the front wouldn't work every time for my setup. The dust gorilla might be the better choice for someone needing to really move it around and can afford the height for a smaller footprint. Thank you for the follow up review though, almost no one does those
At least for us home gamers, the form-factor would be a huge benefit beyond the space requirement. A cyclone dust extractor looks like a piece of industrial equipment and dominates the room... it does not have wife approval for a garage shop (not in my household at least :D )
Thanks for the longterm use update on the G700. I have had mine for several years and am quite pleased with it, but having the on/off switch on the back of the machine annoying. Do you keep your’s on 24/7 and just use the remote?
Hi yes I like my Clear Vue, but very loud and a pain to empty the dust bin. I am going to get a G700 as soon as I move my shop to a new location. And I will be selling my Clear Vue system. Ron USCG RET
I am almost set on a turbo supercell. I have looked at this unit as well but I can fill a bin very quickly processing ruff sawn lumber. That aside have you compared the two? I am curious which is more efficient at collecting the chips and dust.
Hi Stumpy, I watched a video of yours from a few years back and liked what I saw. Would l be able to get the plans? You and another guy built a potato/onion bin. I looked on your site but could not see them. Do hope you can help out. Regards, Allyn Hansen New Zealand
“For the last several years…” I’m per air I remember that ad from at least 3-4 years ago, and you were replacing for several years before that? Just how many forstner bits do you have?! 😂 Seriously, though, you led me true with the Fisch bits, so thank you.
Hi Stumby I was hoping you would have addressed one issue I had but maybe you solved it? So I own one as well. I enjoy the quietness and it has no problems on any machine I use. However, since I moved it once to what’s seems the natural location, the left corner. The non- swiveling wheels was an inconvenience once. Still a nice update is warranted. A daily issue to me is It puts the on- off switch against the wall in a blind location. How do you deal with this with your table creating even more difficulty in access?
Can the G700 operate dust collection from 2 machines at once? I am looking to upgrade my dust collection after installing a CNC - as I'd like to run a 2nd machine in the shop while the CNC is running. But, I'd really like to reduce the noise in the shop - and the G700 being so quiet is very appealing.
This review repeats my experience about 99%. I do wish the alarm on the bag gave me more warning and that the on/off switch were in the front instead of the rear. Also that dial switch is not only hard to reach but also very hard to turn. I usually just pull the plug. M
What would it be like to use some kind of separator on this collector to increase the capacity/decrease frequency emptying the bin? Would it make any sense, or would you just be taking up space, negating one of the big bonuses of this collector?
For most hobbyist/weekend workers can do fine with a Dust Cyclone addon with shop vac. But if you do large projects, routing and planing, this is a great product. But not cheap. I'm still waiting on a deal for their 14" bandsaw. Anyone? James? :)
James, I watch your channel on a regular basis and IWant to thank you for all the good info. I want to purchase a dust filter for my shop which is 12'X36' with 10' ceiling. Can you recommend a filter? Thanks Lou
I have a question. You use the machine to clean it's own HEPA dust filters. If the HEPA filters are meant to remove the very find dust. Aren't you just sucking out the fine dust and putting it back into these filters?
No, fine dust collects on filters gradually, as little bits get past the separators over time. Blasting it all off and running it back through the system all at once will remove the vast majority of it from the air stream.
Thanks. I about to purchase a dust collector - either G800 or Oneida 3 HP model. ClearVue unfortunately doesn't have a set up I can put in the middle of the shop (I have no free wall space). This is helpful. Have you ever done any head to head dust measurements with a Dylos on same piece of equipment to see how the two systems compare?
Bill Pentz did a most excellent job of protecting our lungs with his major revamp and scientific study of dust collection in small shops. While I appreciate the updates and added benefits of this machine, I would like to see an objective measurement of what your shop air looks like with this vs the F5. Respect to Harvey tools and their innovations, but it's kinda like the newest cell phones: apart from the screen, battery life etc, can it do it's MAIN JOB which is to make a call? Is this better at DUST collection?
Bill Pentz' theories are all wonderfully researched, but even he indicates that they are not practical or perhaps even possible to implement in today's shops. We are simply limited by the design of the tools, which are not properly built for good dust collection. They can not be without ports larger than 4-inches, for one thing. I own two Pentz designed cyclone dust collectors. They meet his standards in every way that I am aware of, including impeller and motor size and his modifications for inlet and cone angles. But I still get a layer of fine dust on everything over time. That's the fact of dust collection- it will help a great deal, but it will not keep all the fine dust out of your lungs. You need ambient air filtration and/or a dust mask for that.
I concur. Perhaps the fine dust is that which actually makes it through the filters (and is super tough on the lungs). Put the filtration outside and have a clean air return? Easier to do so with the F5. I absolutely agree that having an air filter running is quite helpful in addition to the dust collection. Means less explaining to the wife about "dust on her car" Thanks again for a well-reasoned, approachable, good natured channel. @@StumpyNubs
@TheWoodFly No, the fine dust comes from the cutters. Pentz calculated that you need a pocket of air completely surrounding the blade or cutter, and maintaining a certain air speed. It's impossible to do on modern tools because the ports are too small, and usually too far from the actual cutter. While good filters are important to prevent the dust collected from being pumped back into the air, it's the dust that's not collected that's the issue. After years of trying, i am of the opinion that perfect dust collection is an unattainable dream. But it paus to do the best you can.
Is there a reason you know of that the ports are limited to 4"? I cut bigger holes in bandsaw and jointer and my chop saw hood has a 6" takeoff to try to get more airflow...but did I just undo some magic 4" number?@@StumpyNubs
@@TheWoodFly Opening a larger hole in the back or bottom of a cabinet may help some, but you still have the problem with channeling that airflow directly form around the cutter, which is often far away from the port. Take a table saw, for example. Higher end saw brands have figured out that you get better dust collection if you build a shroud around the blade directly beneath the table. That directs all the airflow from the right place. But how do they connect that shroud to the dust port at the bottom of the cabinet? With a 4-inch hose, of course, because it's a 4-inch dust port, LOL... Unless they completely redesign the shroud to accept a larger hose, leading to a larger port at the back, they will always be limiting their airflow to what can be pulled through that small port. But it is expensive to redesign these parts, there may not be sufficient room inside the cabinet for it, and the vast majority of their customers don't own dust collectors with 6-inch hoses, anyway... This is just one example of how it is not as simple as just making the port larger.
I'll add two additional cons (for me). One, the power disconnect switch is in the back and it's awkward to engage. Two, the cord length is too short. I switched it out for a 15ft.
@@bobfalk2896 The dust collector is not on. The remote turns in on and off. That switch on the main unit merely cuts all power. I see no reason to do that between uses.
I just naturally want to turn things off when not in use. Especially when I am not there to monitor. I have had the capacitors in a fairly young vfd short out and shoot sparks and fire out the side of the unit. Also there has to be some parasitic power draw when just sitting powered up waiting for a signal from the remote. But even forgetting all that, why put the switch in the what seems nearly the most inconvenient to use location? Only the bottom would be worse. I have this dust processor and agree with all the positive comments on it. I have one other “just keep in mind” type comment that I will be posting separately.
@@StumpyNubs Ok thanks, It is really hard picking out a new DC. Do you feel that this is better than going with a short stack cyclone style from jet or Laguna? They have a larger rating number on them. I have fine dust from my drum sander and CNC machine to worry about.
maybe i missed it, but what needs to be seriously thought of especially with the wizz-bang super efficiient systems is that you will lose every bit of that efficiency with 1 mis-installed duct. rule of thumb is 45 degree saddles (absolutely no 90 degree t branches), all branches to a trunk line go through SIDE of the trunk. NEVER the bottom, and trunk lines reduced in diameter relative to last branch. theres a formula but i forget. its been a few millenia since i used it, lol.
Nice product and at a good price point. My problem with Harvey is that they have a 5% return or cancellation fee. I was taken back by that as I wasn’t aware of this policy when I ordered.
If a product that isn't faulty is returned simply because someone changed their mind, it costs the company a lot of money. They can't resell it as new, and lacking retail outlets, the can't easily clearance it out for a partial loss, either. I understand your frustration, but unfortunately, many people have abused return systems for so long, so I can also understand the reluctantance of brands to accept them anymore without some sort of fee.
Stumpy. I understand. I ordered the collector at 5pm online. I changed my mind that evening because the unit was not compatible with the iVaC system. It was a shame as I really wanted the unit. Because I did it online I called to cancel the next morning as soon as they were open to cancel. They told me that cancellation’s are subject to a 5% fee. I actually was dumbfounded. It was 12 hours between the time I ordered and cancelled. I called AX and they told me they had not even processed the charge yet. I completely understand when you return something there is a cost involved. The customer rep was very nice and understood but it was a policy that was set by the company. The fee was about $150 so he settled and he gave me store credit. To say it left very disappointed would be an understatement. Thank you.
So I have a 2000 sq ft shop with high ceilings. I am worried it will be not as powerful as the Clear vue. What’s your thoughts? I will have 65’ runs and ect. So I want to know it can handle and keep up. 1100 cfm vs 1800 on the clear vue. Seems drastic, what would you say?
It seems very similar in power to my original ClearVue (the clear one) but it is less powerful than my larger ClearVue (the steel one). How high are the ceilings? I am not sure I would want to run ducts at the ceiling if it was 12-foot high. 8-10 feet should be fine, but I would put the machines that need the most suction power (jointer, planer, drum sander, etc) closer to the unit, and perhaps along a wall so their ducts can be run at floor level, while placing the machines that need less suction (band saw, drill press, etc) farther away or somewhere that the ducts have to drop down from above. As with any system, you have to think your duct layout out carefully to get the best performance.
Do you always close all of your blast gates? I like to leave the one on my tablesaw open because I use it so often. Do you think that would be an issue with the G700?
Stumpy (sorry, I have trouble remembering names). For a commercial shop, those machines are a great alternative, to the standard fare. Question: What is that brown color, on your table saw? I have a hard time believing it is rust, on one of Your machines. Is that a special protective coating you haven't mentioned yet? 😁✌🖖
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I've had my G700 for a little over 3 years now and it's worked great thus far (it replaced a JET 2HP cyclone). I've never run it at full power (maybe 3/4 at most) and notice no problems with suction.
One other con I've experienced is getting a really good seal on the dust bin when emptying/replacing the bags. Even after cleaning everything well, my particulate meter would start having a fit while the G700 was running. I've started putting the removable gaskets, that normally sit on the metal bin and under the collection bags, over the bags instead. The seal is perfectly air tight every time now.
Thanks for the video. This is a fantastic unit! I have had my G700 for over a year now, and it is invaluable. I would highly recommend for anyone in the market. I am also someone who only has one 220v circuit (dual outlet, 30 amp) and am able to run this along with my other 220 equipment. Powerful, efficient, and quiet.
Thanks for the updated review. Your sentiments are similar to mine. Putting my shop in the basement, right under the living room made dust collection a must and noise a huge consideration. The option was to spend $X on a loud cyclone system or spend $2X on the Harvey. The whole time knowing that if I bought the cyclone, I would probably have spent another $X for soundproofing. Glad I did. My first Harvey purchase was the Harvey Alpha table saw, then the Harvey Ambasadore bandsaw and finally the G700. Haven't regretted a single penny.
I've had my G700 for a little over two years and only have positive comments for the unit. The mobility, the quiet, ease of emptying the bin, the remote. But the biggest factor for me was the form factor. The ability to slide it in and out from under the bench that is 9" longer than the machine, that was the kicker. I've never looked back.
The gentleman on Next Level Carpentry (TH-cam) was the first time I heard of the Harvey Dust collector. He has some unique handling of the duct work for this system and has effectively dealt with its unique challenges. There are a couple of videos about it.
I have an older Oneida cyclone, (and another smaller 2 stage at my other shop). I hate emptying the two stage, about a 40 gallon bag, takes about 10 minutes to wrangle the bag out and empty it. For the Oneida, i put it outside the shop, and insulated around it for noise. I built a box for the dust and chips below it, about 2 cubic yards or so, (maybe 400 to 500 gallons) with a big door that I can just open a shovel out the dust to a pile near a garden. (yeah, it is in the country on 40 acres so I don't worry about noise for others). I cycles the air thru a filter back into the shop, so doesn't exhaust all the warm air out of the shop. I like that as the container is large enough I don't have to mess with it often. With the DC outside the shop, and the bit of insulation, (rigid foam) I really don't mind the noise at all. Don't really hear the motor that much, just the air flow noise.
Stumpy, great review. I also have the G700 in my hobby shop. You touched on something that I am struggling with and that is that the inlet is on the front of the machine. I have no choice but to put a 90 elbow right out the machine. Even then with 6" pipe it still sticks out further into the room then I like. I would suggest the true footprint is now nearly 4' x 5'. I wish they had put it on the end of the machine opposite the filters. My other complaint is that when planing something light like red cedar the dust side of the bins fills faster than the chip side. By the time that the alarm goes off, the alarm is tied to the chip bin, the machine has already overflowed the dust bin and filled the heppa filters which is a real pain the backside. Even with all this, I still like the machine a lot and would recommend it
I have the machine too and agree cleaning the Hepa filters after an overfill is a major PITA.
Otherwise it is brilliant and fits in a space no other machine would which was my primary reason for buying; it fitted.
I have a big collector and hate the noise. It is also 220v 15A. I've been drooling over the Harvey for years. Thanks for this update! Looks like I'm making the switch.
The G700 is rated at 220v 20a.
@@monarchco 20A recommended breaker size but 5.8A rated
I have the G700 and everything you said is true. It's so quiet I sometimes don't notice to turn it off. However, I was at first discouraged by how quickly the bins, rather the big one, seemed to fill up. (I'm looking at you planer.) Then I discovered that if I opened the bin and sort of smooshed the chips down and brushed a bunch of them to the far side of inlet, I could get 3 times as much time before having to empty the bin. It was really that dramatic. I can't recommend this unit enough.
Great tip!
We just purchased the g700 a week ago. It will be here next week. It was on sale for 2500 and free shipping.
I've had a Harvey G700 for about four years. I really like it compared to my old Jet 1.75HP DC. Much quieter and my DC 6" piping is under the shop slab, so the suction intake near the floor works perfectly. It is a pain to clean the filters if you overfill the bins and the filters get packed. It's about an hour job, as you need to disassemble the unit to get them out - assuming you've done this before.
If you connect a planer with a short hose directly to the G700, you'll need to turn the speed down or the air velocity will cause the chips to bypass the drop bins and quickly pack the filters. With my 20'+ piping with elbows, I don't have that problem anymore. Also, for new owners, don't force the paddles within the filters when cleaning or they'll break. It means the filters are packed with material and you need to disassemble to clean them. Make sure you clean the filters via the self suction procedure everytime you empty the bins or you'll be sorry. Add a WYE fitting to two elbows to combine the cleanout ports to avoid crawling around on the floor for hookup.
I don't mind the 32 gal bin being a bit smaller than my old Jet. Much easier to carry the bag for disposal than a 50 gal+one.
The power switch on the back of the unit is a pain to turn. I just unplug the unit to reset after it shuts down when the bins are full.
Overall, I am very happy with my G700. Having HEPA filters is a huge benefit for lungs and shop fine dust, as my old Jet wasn't HEPA rated and my shop got quite dusty. I would buy this again without question.
Nice video and update. I have owned the G700 for almost 3 years and I would agree with much of what you have concluded, particularly about the casters. All should be swivel. It's a good machine, but could use a few common sense improvements.
While the dust bin is easy to empty (and the primary reason I bought the machine), it does not hold 32 gallons. I filled mine to capacity after planing oak and measured how much it contained. 21 gallons. 32 gallons is a "theoretical capacity" based on the external dimensions of the bin. Perhaps it would hold a bit more if it were all sanding dust, but 32 gallons? No way. I believe a big improvement to the bin capacity would be to make it one section, not two. Why does it need to be separated into fine and coarse in the first place?
Another suggestion would be to move the main power switch to the front of the machine. If pushed back under a table as you have shown, you don't have access to the main switch. I had to rig a switched extension cord to have on/off access as I leave my machine under a table all the time. The main switch should be up front with the rest of the controls.
Finally, the filters are a pain to remove and clean.....easily a 1-2 hour job. Removability and replacement of these filters needs improvement.
Is this a good machine? IMO, Yes. Could it be a great machine? Perhaps, but only if some of the these issues are addressed.
Regarding the separate compartments, it's possible that the extraction mechanism depends on having isolated containers for the two stages. Imagine, if they were connected: any difference in the effective suction pressure between the two stages of the separator (which work off of different geometries) would result in a cross flow which could dramatically reduce efficacy. I'm not certain that this is the case, but I suspect it is so and that they have chosen the separate containers to optimize the system efficacy for fine dust. At minimum I suspect that the cyclones would need to be redesigned for a common receptacle, but also that the overall performance would be reduced as a result.
@@haphazard1342 Brilliant! Hadn't thought of that.
I have this unit and I generally agree with all the positive comments on it. There are two things I think to be aware of. One is the main power disconnect switch for the vfd is on the back of the unit. That could make it at least awkward to get at depending on where the unit is located. The second is that wood chips/shavings such as from a forstner bit, a wood lathe, or even sometimes from a planer can get hung up on the grating at the inlet. I have had this happen, so I am thinking of trying a separator of some sort right before that inlet. It probably wouldn’t have to be a super effective separator.
I ended up putting a Oneida super dust deputy for my planer/Jointer and then run the unit on high. Works really well. I also could not acess the switch so I bought a separate switch to disconnect the power up front.
@@michaelroth5234 Thanks for sharing on your experience with adding the Oneida. Knowing it worked for you is helpful.
This the dust collector I have on my list of wants/needs I like others but I prefer this works extremely well and I like the empty option on this dust collector way easier. Ya it's best to make the workbench longer and on the extra end maybe have a roll out drawer box.
I would find a way to remove the fixed wheel casters and install swivel wheels. Challenging at it's given weight, but worth the effort.
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I love mine, I've had it a couple of years. I agree with both your positive and your negative. I've had the same exact thoughts. Thanks for a good, honest review and not just saying the good.
Thank you for sharing, your experience with the Harvey G700 dust extractor. Seems like a great machine due to size and ease of use. Everyone stay safe, warm, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
My dust collection system consists of a Harbor Freight dust pan and broom. Kudos to the guy with a garage shop who can afford a gizmo like that.
Your best defense is always wear a mask.
Woodworking is an expensive hobby. Don't assume that everyone has the same budget just because they do not have a large shop space :)
I agree, just wear a respirator. But im a filthy mongel and i don't mind saw dust on the floor and lines on my face.
Used DC systems are cheap and better than nothing
I watched a video a ways back on a similar home made version of the Harvey 2 stage horizontal cyclone that had me interested in making one myself- but then I saw a small issue with all dust separators that have any kinds of static obstructions to the airflow. While they work great on dust and chips made from power tools - the "hang up" is hand plane shavings. The literally "hang up" on those stator turbine blade deals and make clog it up, whereas a more "traditional" cyclone does not. I realize this only applies to like 1% or maybe less of woodworkers, but spend about a few hours hand plane flattening a desk or workbench top, then suck up the shavings with the Harvey cyclone and report back what happens. (one of my first woodworking furniture projects was a computer desk for my son to take to college, I fell in love with this 6/4 walnut board for the top and didn't realize until after I got it home that it was 15" wide, which was not going trough my dewalt thicknesser. I flattened it by hand. I learned my lesson)
If I am seriously considering the purchase of pretty much any pricey product, I pay most attention to the Long Term Review videos. Even so, there are obvious shills and there are obvious haters.
Caveat emptor and stuff like that.
Thanks for all the great vids, Mr. Stumpy!
I've seen it before ... air intake manifold on a helicopter ... beautiful to see it used for helping people breathe cleaner instead of just engines.
I did buy Fisch Forstner bits (the wavecut ones) and they're excellent. I get a clean hole every time and can even make really nice flat-bottom holes. Highly recommended!! 😃
I love mine, I’ve had it for two years.
I watched your review of the Harvey T40. And absolutely love it
Would love to hear your thoughts on the SuperCell from Oneida. That looks like a really cool option for smaller shops.
I have been running the G700 for a couple of years. The hepa filter issue is serious. The machine pushes too much dust through to the filters and soon, dust is is leaking past the dust bin seals into the room. The filters take a very long time to access and clean. I would seriously consider the Super Cell. Or possibly the G800, which has a much better system for cleaning the filters.
Thanks for sharing with us James, good information for those who have a bigger shop. Fred.
I love my g700 unit, mainly because of how quiet it is 😊
The G-700 is significantly less expensive than a ClearVue these days. If I didn't already have a ClearVue (which I love and have had for over 10 years), I'd be buying a G-700.
Have you ever seen or used a record power camvac? If not go check them out, I finally bought one and am thoroughly happy with its performance.
I too have had the same machine for about three years and am very pleased with it. The one negative I found was that the chips from my Felder planer (with straight knives) tended to clog at the screen/inlet on the machine. So I put one of those cyclone separator trash can lid dealies in-between planer and collector and it works well. If I had space and budget would have gotten a proper cyclone (maybe a giant Dust Deputy) as I think that would be even better.
Any dust collector with an inlet screen (which is pretty much every single stage unit, and some of the cyclones, too) will occasionally get clogged, especially with long planer shavings.
To clarify, I wish I had set up an cyclonic unit (no motor) in between the Harvey and the planer rather than the simple cyclone lid on a trash can. Shavings from my planer are like fusili pasta and, yes, will clog just about anything.The G700 is fantastic and I greatly prefer it over other systems I'ver used. @@StumpyNubs
@@SLiMBiLT I am reading your comment with interest because of having similar experience with clogging. I am set up to collect the larger shavings like those from a Forstner bit on a drill press and what comes off a wood lathe. The planer shavings and the other dust producers are all included on the system with 3d printed ball valves at each location. I had thought that a garbage can lid separator would be good enough to to take out the stuff that causes clogging. I have no experience with a separator. But you do and it sounds like you are saying that some of the wispy shavings from your planer made it through the separator and still cause some clogging. So I’ll have to rethink how I could incorporate a cyclonic unit which takes more vertical space. And of course part of that is which one to use. Thanks for sharing your experience on trying a separator.
This thing is way out of my league, but I enjoyed the video anyway. Your delivery is so precise and easy to listen to. You need your own wood working Q&A or how-to show on CMU television. You'd be syndicated before you completed the first season. Seriously.
In limited mobility I had the same problem at my Felder AF22 with two fixed and two swivel wheels. But replaceing the fixed wheels by another two swivel wheels was no big deal.
I would vacuum my living room with this baby!
Wonder if it would be possible to link it with a wood pellet heating system, so that you don't even need to empty it.
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I can't think of an easy way to make that work, because of the need to seal the dust collection units.
Actually, you could do it. Have 3 cyclones at the top instead of 2, each going into a separate bin/bin-set. Have a periodic cut-off of air in/out so only 2 are operating at a time, the third is shutting off, settling, then being emptied (probably have an opening bottom that seals) into a pellet maker. Then the bin reseals and airflow gets re-established, and the next bin gets emptied, and so on.
Pellet maker probably will need dust extraction too. Then clean pellets get dumped into a hopper, to be taken to the furnace. Or sold.
Needs a whole redesign of the system though. Probably cheaper to just hire someone to empty the dust bin. And have two units if you need constant dust extraction.
I have had the opportunity to talk with Harvey about a couple of issues that had nothing to do with performance. I would not be surprised if they are already working on a 4 swiveling caster option. Couldn’t hurt to call?
I purchased my G700 last year with only research to go with. I am pleased with it and it just simply works. In a few years I plan on buying a G800 or the G1500. I would be interested how much louder the G800 is if a review of that one is in the works.
You can sell anything, but I believe that this is a good product
@underdunn did a video a while back where he made the "air gyro's" and it seamed to work if anyone is interested.
I like the machine for the most part, I have had mine for about a year. The on-off disconnect switch is on the back side of the machine and is a pain to operate. I don't see any way you could easily reach it in your configuration. Harvey does have great support. Just my thoughts.
If you look up Under Dunn's centrifugal dust collector, you can see a see-through DIY version of this dust collector. He even does a half-decent explanation of how it works!
I'm working on a similar project, but mostly 3D printing it rather than trying to make those fins by hand. I modeled most of it based off of the marketing materials and whatever patents I could find.
Thanks for the long term ( road trip ) review Stumpy. It sounds like a fabulous machine with very few drawbacks. I always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming. 😊😊😊❤❤❤
The jet engine looking thing are the separator portion of the machine?
Seems like if you can add them to your shop vacuum lines and add some ducts you could have the chips and dust collection outside of the shop to skies the limit storage setup.
I have no idea I'm just going off what I thought while watching this.
great video, Sir...honest, clear, complete!
I hate most bases with 2 fixed wheels. I've actually replace the wheels on some with all swivels. Makes it soo much easier to move things around the shop.
I believe most consumers do Not want the lowest price. Rather what they want is the best value and value essentially always has a “time” component. Follow-up reviews are actually the “real” review
Now this would be interesting to hook up with a CNC - plus could the G700 send a signal the CNC when it is full to stop the process?
i have had this for about 3 years and think overall it is excellent ... i find i need to clean the filters far more than suggested because i do a fair bit of work attached to a drum sander (and other sanders) .. i also found that the harvey method for cleaning them doesn't work so well when you do have a lot of sanding dust as opposed to chips or sawdust ... one minor annoyance is the cheap plastic caps on the filter outlets ... on one level they work ok but i just think for an expensive machine with a company that works to high tolerances in their products that they could have made them better ... notwithstanding those minor criticisms it is one purchase with which i have no regrets
Thank you for the information.
Great video and review. Really appreciate that your experience over several years is featured. I'm afraid that my needs don't justify the price. How about a g350?
4:17 You could fit a cheap speed control to the cyclonic dust collector. Not sure how low you could go before the cyclone fails though.
Awesome how you approach a review!
You COULD build a four wheeled dolly for it with articulated wheels right?
Does it roll smoothly in a carpeted shop?
It rolls best on carpet. In fact, if someone has a cement floor I recommend gluing strips of carpet around the wheels.
Pretty impressive machine indeed, James! 😃
Thanks a bunch for the long term review and all the info!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy holidays!
Seems like a sweet set up other than the size of the bin, those filter beaters and the port location. Like you said some days I can fill a 55 gallon drum in an hour and some times not for a week. Running my hand around my filter on my system makes me cringe because you can see the little whisps of filter media start to poke out. It's to bad they couldn't do a top side inlet as an option.
I'm curious as to how fine of dust particles it will drop. Like my cyclone can drop dust from my wide belt sander on a 100 grit belt but can't really handle a 150 belt.
How many (and what machines) do you have connected to the Harvey and to your cyclone machine? Which do you think would handle multiple tools being used simultaneously better?
The g800 really jumps up in cost, would be nice to see a true comparison to justify the more than double price tag. And the bin isn’t all that much bigger.
G800 has more HP (3), higher static pressure, greater CFM (+100) at the machine port, slightly larger filters and bins, automatic filter cleaning system, wireless auto-on/off with machines, and other tech suff.
Looks nice too
Oh, you covered this. Cool.
The form factor interferes with the most valuable in my shop. It is competing with my carts and benches. It could go under a bench but storage is valuable too. Vehicle stack works out better for me. I also do not understand any compromise you make for the ducting intake. Having my dust pipes go down after going up isn’t terrible but it is already up high on a traditional system. It’s either a extra long diagonal or a straight vertical run coming out of it. It is cool and I’d love to experience it but ugh, it’s rough.
The only reason I would go up is to get to a machine in the middle of a large shop. Otherwise I'd just stay low all the way around the shop.... The footprint is only about 2 sq ft larger than a typical cyclone with its filter stack. I'd trade that for the gain in wall space any day.
So torn by this thing, i like a lot about it but a lot bugs me too. Mobile, yes it has wheels but i couldn't move this around, swivel or not. And i cant run permanent ducts in my shop due to garage door and configuration if tools...and that outlet being in the front wouldn't work every time for my setup. The dust gorilla might be the better choice for someone needing to really move it around and can afford the height for a smaller footprint. Thank you for the follow up review though, almost no one does those
At least for us home gamers, the form-factor would be a huge benefit beyond the space requirement. A cyclone dust extractor looks like a piece of industrial equipment and dominates the room... it does not have wife approval for a garage shop (not in my household at least :D )
Thanks for the longterm use update on the G700. I have had mine for several years and am quite pleased with it, but having the on/off switch on the back of the machine annoying. Do you keep your’s on 24/7 and just use the remote?
Yes, that little screen is all that's on. Ut doesn't use much power. There are lots of electronics in our homes that are always on, these days.
Hi yes I like my Clear Vue, but very loud and a pain to empty the dust bin. I am going to get a G700 as soon as I move my shop to a new location. And I will be selling my Clear Vue system. Ron USCG RET
Can the fixed casters on the G700 not be rotated 90 degrees and reattached? Rectangular? How about ordering an extra pair of the swivels?
I am almost set on a turbo supercell. I have looked at this unit as well but I can fill a bin very quickly processing ruff sawn lumber. That aside have you compared the two? I am curious which is more efficient at collecting the chips and dust.
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Hi Stumpy,
I watched a video of yours from a few years back and liked what I saw. Would l be able to get the plans? You and another guy built a potato/onion bin. I looked on your site but could not see them.
Do hope you can help out.
Regards,
Allyn Hansen
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Can swivel wheels simply replace the two stationary fixed ones. I'd assume the bolt pattern is the same.
“For the last several years…” I’m per air I remember that ad from at least 3-4 years ago, and you were replacing for several years before that? Just how many forstner bits do you have?! 😂 Seriously, though, you led me true with the Fisch bits, so thank you.
Hi Stumby
I was hoping you would have addressed one issue I had but maybe you solved it? So I own one as well. I enjoy the quietness and it has no problems on any machine I use. However, since I moved it once to what’s seems the natural location, the left corner. The non- swiveling wheels was an inconvenience once. Still a nice update is warranted. A daily issue to me is It puts the on- off switch against the wall in a blind location. How do you deal with this with your table creating even more difficulty in access?
I leave it on.
Can the G700 operate dust collection from 2 machines at once? I am looking to upgrade my dust collection after installing a CNC - as I'd like to run a 2nd machine in the shop while the CNC is running. But, I'd really like to reduce the noise in the shop - and the G700 being so quiet is very appealing.
I am comfortable having two 4-inch ports open at once.
how about swapping the straight wheel for swivveling ones? would that be possible?
Would it be possible to change the fixed casters for swiveling casters? Or are they like welded on the frame?
They can be replaced, I just helped a friend do it. You will need spacer blocks to clear channels underneath.
This review repeats my experience about 99%. I do wish the alarm on the bag gave me more warning and that the on/off switch were in the front instead of the rear. Also that dial switch is not only hard to reach but also very hard to turn. I usually just pull the plug.
M
What would it be like to use some kind of separator on this collector to increase the capacity/decrease frequency emptying the bin? Would it make any sense, or would you just be taking up space, negating one of the big bonuses of this collector?
I would rather trade the difficulty and mess of emptying a large barrel for the possibility of more frequency but easier dumping.
10:40 If you can raise your bench's lower RHS leg brace by about four inches, could you eliminate the need to pull the unit out to clean the filters?
If you can access the knobs on top of the filters, you can clean it.
For most hobbyist/weekend workers can do fine with a Dust Cyclone addon with shop vac. But if you do large projects, routing and planing, this is a great product. But not cheap. I'm still waiting on a deal for their 14" bandsaw. Anyone? James? :)
That Harvey dust extractor is identical to one made and sold in the UK by Axminster Tools.
You sure it's made in the UK?
James, I watch your channel on a regular basis and IWant to thank you for all the good info. I want to purchase a dust filter for my shop which is 12'X36' with 10' ceiling. Can you recommend a filter? Thanks Lou
I wonder if the inventor was ever in helicopter maintenance. That's a pretty fancy Engine Air Particle Separator (EAPS).
Woodworker’s favorite phrase: “I knew I had to have one.”
10:47 replace fixed casters with swivel ones?
Lets be honest if you can afford that dust collector you can afford to upgrade your service to more than one 240v circuit.
I have a question. You use the machine to clean it's own HEPA dust filters. If the HEPA filters are meant to remove the very find dust. Aren't you just sucking out the fine dust and putting it back into these filters?
No, fine dust collects on filters gradually, as little bits get past the separators over time. Blasting it all off and running it back through the system all at once will remove the vast majority of it from the air stream.
Thanks. I about to purchase a dust collector - either G800 or Oneida 3 HP model. ClearVue unfortunately doesn't have a set up I can put in the middle of the shop (I have no free wall space). This is helpful. Have you ever done any head to head dust measurements with a Dylos on same piece of equipment to see how the two systems compare?
Bill Pentz did a most excellent job of protecting our lungs with his major revamp and scientific study of dust collection in small shops. While I appreciate the updates and added benefits of this machine, I would like to see an objective measurement of what your shop air looks like with this vs the F5. Respect to Harvey tools and their innovations, but it's kinda like the newest cell phones: apart from the screen, battery life etc, can it do it's MAIN JOB which is to make a call? Is this better at DUST collection?
Bill Pentz' theories are all wonderfully researched, but even he indicates that they are not practical or perhaps even possible to implement in today's shops. We are simply limited by the design of the tools, which are not properly built for good dust collection. They can not be without ports larger than 4-inches, for one thing. I own two Pentz designed cyclone dust collectors. They meet his standards in every way that I am aware of, including impeller and motor size and his modifications for inlet and cone angles. But I still get a layer of fine dust on everything over time. That's the fact of dust collection- it will help a great deal, but it will not keep all the fine dust out of your lungs. You need ambient air filtration and/or a dust mask for that.
I concur. Perhaps the fine dust is that which actually makes it through the filters (and is super tough on the lungs). Put the filtration outside and have a clean air return? Easier to do so with the F5. I absolutely agree that having an air filter running is quite helpful in addition to the dust collection. Means less explaining to the wife about "dust on her car" Thanks again for a well-reasoned, approachable, good natured channel.
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@TheWoodFly No, the fine dust comes from the cutters. Pentz calculated that you need a pocket of air completely surrounding the blade or cutter, and maintaining a certain air speed. It's impossible to do on modern tools because the ports are too small, and usually too far from the actual cutter. While good filters are important to prevent the dust collected from being pumped back into the air, it's the dust that's not collected that's the issue. After years of trying, i am of the opinion that perfect dust collection is an unattainable dream. But it paus to do the best you can.
Is there a reason you know of that the ports are limited to 4"? I cut bigger holes in bandsaw and jointer and my chop saw hood has a 6" takeoff to try to get more airflow...but did I just undo some magic 4" number?@@StumpyNubs
@@TheWoodFly Opening a larger hole in the back or bottom of a cabinet may help some, but you still have the problem with channeling that airflow directly form around the cutter, which is often far away from the port. Take a table saw, for example. Higher end saw brands have figured out that you get better dust collection if you build a shroud around the blade directly beneath the table. That directs all the airflow from the right place. But how do they connect that shroud to the dust port at the bottom of the cabinet? With a 4-inch hose, of course, because it's a 4-inch dust port, LOL... Unless they completely redesign the shroud to accept a larger hose, leading to a larger port at the back, they will always be limiting their airflow to what can be pulled through that small port. But it is expensive to redesign these parts, there may not be sufficient room inside the cabinet for it, and the vast majority of their customers don't own dust collectors with 6-inch hoses, anyway... This is just one example of how it is not as simple as just making the port larger.
I'll add two additional cons (for me). One, the power disconnect switch is in the back and it's awkward to engage. Two, the cord length is too short. I switched it out for a 15ft.
I never use the switch. I just use the remote.
@@StumpyNubs So, you leave it on 24/7?
@@bobfalk2896 The dust collector is not on. The remote turns in on and off. That switch on the main unit merely cuts all power. I see no reason to do that between uses.
I just naturally want to turn things off when not in use. Especially when I am not there to monitor. I have had the capacitors in a fairly young vfd short out and shoot sparks and fire out the side of the unit. Also there has to be some parasitic power draw when just sitting powered up waiting for a signal from the remote. But even forgetting all that, why put the switch in the what seems nearly the most inconvenient to use location? Only the bottom would be worse. I have this dust processor and agree with all the positive comments on it. I have one other “just keep in mind” type comment that I will be posting separately.
I love mine!
How is the full bin alarm? Seems a buch of people seem to complain about it going off before it is full?
Never had a problem with that
@@StumpyNubs Ok thanks, It is really hard picking out a new DC. Do you feel that this is better than going with a short stack cyclone style from jet or Laguna? They have a larger rating number on them. I have fine dust from my drum sander and CNC machine to worry about.
Let me be the very first to suggest swapping out the casters.
Can't you change out the fixed wheels for swivel wheels?
maybe i missed it, but what needs to be seriously thought of especially with the wizz-bang super efficiient systems is that you will lose every bit of that efficiency with 1 mis-installed duct. rule of thumb is 45 degree saddles (absolutely no 90 degree t branches), all branches to a trunk line go through SIDE of the trunk. NEVER the bottom, and trunk lines reduced in diameter relative to last branch. theres a formula but i forget. its been a few millenia since i used it, lol.
Nice product and at a good price point. My problem with Harvey is that they have a 5% return or cancellation fee. I was taken back by that as I wasn’t aware of this policy when I ordered.
If a product that isn't faulty is returned simply because someone changed their mind, it costs the company a lot of money. They can't resell it as new, and lacking retail outlets, the can't easily clearance it out for a partial loss, either. I understand your frustration, but unfortunately, many people have abused return systems for so long, so I can also understand the reluctantance of brands to accept them anymore without some sort of fee.
Stumpy. I understand. I ordered the collector at 5pm online. I changed my mind that evening because the unit was not compatible with the iVaC system. It was a shame as I really wanted the unit. Because I did it online I called to cancel the next morning as soon as they were open to cancel. They told me that cancellation’s are subject to a 5% fee. I actually was dumbfounded. It was 12 hours between the time I ordered and cancelled. I called AX and they told me they had not even processed the charge yet. I completely understand when you return something there is a cost involved. The customer rep was very nice and understood but it was a policy that was set by the company. The fee was about $150 so he settled and he gave me store credit. To say it left very disappointed would be an understatement. Thank you.
Yes, it is unfortunate that the abuse of some has ruined it for the rest of us.
True! I will protest with my wallet.
Good follow-up on this dust collector. I agree that it should have 4 swivel wheels. Did you ever get a Harvey lathe?
Yes. I have their smaller one. It's a great machine. I wish I had time to turn!
So I have a 2000 sq ft shop with high ceilings. I am worried it will be not as powerful as the Clear vue. What’s your thoughts? I will have 65’ runs and ect. So I want to know it can handle and keep up.
1100 cfm vs 1800 on the clear vue. Seems drastic, what would you say?
It seems very similar in power to my original ClearVue (the clear one) but it is less powerful than my larger ClearVue (the steel one). How high are the ceilings? I am not sure I would want to run ducts at the ceiling if it was 12-foot high. 8-10 feet should be fine, but I would put the machines that need the most suction power (jointer, planer, drum sander, etc) closer to the unit, and perhaps along a wall so their ducts can be run at floor level, while placing the machines that need less suction (band saw, drill press, etc) farther away or somewhere that the ducts have to drop down from above. As with any system, you have to think your duct layout out carefully to get the best performance.
Is it usa made?
A few seconds is nothing 12:57 . A big industrial system I've used takes about a minute to turn on so it doesn't tear itself to pieces 😂
Do you always close all of your blast gates? I like to leave the one on my tablesaw open because I use it so often. Do you think that would be an issue with the G700?
Initial cost + cost of operation?
Stumpy (sorry, I have trouble remembering names).
For a commercial shop, those machines are a great
alternative, to the standard fare.
Question: What is that brown color, on your table saw?
I have a hard time believing it is rust, on one of Your machines.
Is that a special protective coating you haven't mentioned yet? 😁✌🖖
It's a Titanium Nitride coating similar to what you see on some drill bits. It protects the surface from rust and makes it a bit more slippery. It came on the saw.