Especially with access to valgavoths lair I think the way to enable victor is Calix, guided by fate. Before duskmourn released I had an abzan enchantment stompy deck using builders talent, hunters talent, lord skitters blessing, and spellbook vendor as the main enchantments and then Invasion of theros and calix as payoffs, victor fits perfectly in the list. For invasion targets Heliod the radiant dawn and ossification worked well.
I've been playing a similar deck and it's done me pretty proud. I do add in some Aven Interrupters to help with board wipes and Nurturing Pixies to pick up some of the enchantments, though
Defiled Crypt/Cadaver Lab and Grand Entryway/Elegant Rotunda both give you 3 triggers for Victor .....this also seems like the best home for Ghostly Dancers
I played against a Victor deck that runs the rooms which make enchantment creature tokens. Opp was able to trigger the 3x eerie a few times during our match to bring out Valgavoth from the graveyard
Deck seems sweet. Would be fun to play in paper. I'd be super tempted to squeeze in a couple of pixies and Sporogenic Infections. Not too difficult to make Infection a 2-for-1 & might make Victor's third trigger easier too. Maybe a couple of Ethereal Armor sb for the monored matchups.
I feel like slumbering keepguard could be good too, just because the extra sorting is nice. Not to mention an out of nowhere attack if you can manage to keep stuff on the board.
Jeff Hoogland talked about the whole “luck vs skill” thing in Magic a while ago, and he made many of the same points you did. Talking to someone in his chat, he said, “So basically what you’re saying is that there’s no skill in Magic, it’s all variance based on the cards you draw, which is just not true. I mean, there’s a reason why you see the same people consistently in the top 8 at major events, and that’s because Magic is predominantly a skill game. And the people who believe that Magic is NOT predominantly a skill game generally aren’t good enough at the game to recognize the small mistakes they are making that are costing them percentage points. And that’s just… the truth”
Just bring up proffesional poker and watch how anyone saying that a tcg is all luck based will make a fool of themselves.😂 You don't even build your poker deck but all the same skills are needed.
The only card I'd suggest testing is Sporogenic Infection as a sideboard option against big creature decks. With Eriette in play it effectively removes 2 creatures immediately by making them sac 1 and the other cant' attack, then you trade the 1 life proc at end of turn.
ive been playing hella victor. I have actually reanimated other from openents gy quite often. actually have gotten oppents valgavoth a couple of times. a synergy i want to try is delney plus hexmage wicked role on victor so he double procs with delney lol. plus delney makes erriete double trigger aswell. I havent tried this yet I just play more discard strat with bandits and run teeth and and 2x enduring tenacity at top end which works really well with sheltered by ghost. can voltron up a creature with ethereal armors, ghost, feather, and scavengers. have had like a 20/20 life link with enduring tenacity before lol. peace love to see a victor build def my favorite card in dskmrn and peeps ofc!
29:56 the opponent literally discarded their only out cut down (block, cut down their own creature to deny the life gain, and then swing for lethal next turn)
Spiteful hexmage .. when it enters attach cursed role to creature you control. When you cast 2nd hexmage, can't you target a creature that already has cursed role... It just can only have one role token per player so it would sac the first curse role... Match up @ like 32min. Anyways, I think I'm gonna try this deck, nice brew!
On the topic of bannings. WoTC doesn't usually go after dominant decks (something is going to be/needs to be the best). They'll step in when something is unbeatable or format warping after giving the players a chance to try and figure out a solution with the available tools.
I swear, if u gave her a paper clip two rubber bands and a piece of duct tape she could still find a way to make the sickest standard brew with it. The chef of a generation tbh
I think the only way to make Victor work is in a domain room deck with Marina Vendrell and other cards that allow you to keep locking/unlocking rooms. Seems like a lot of work tho and prob wouldn't be competitive at all
Should swap rottenmouth for archon of the wild rose. Cheaper to hardcast without saccing enchants and surprise flying on your dorks ends games on stalled boards. Rottenmouth is very easy to play around imo
I'm a big fan of archon but if rottenmouth is easy to play round then someone's doing it wrong - like when people used to just slam sheoldred on turn 4 with no thought for timing because everyone spoke ad nauseum about how good it is; all these cards are closers, not usually slam-it-and-hope-for-the-best-ers
If you slam it early you are saccing your board and if you play it late you get a 6/6 that is easy to play around instead of a closer that gives your team evasion and stats. I haven't been impressed with viper and it feels like a win more card
Nice brew! Im looking for the best brew to make viper shine and be protected cus most of times she comes down than get fucked straight away but this one seems pretty fit for her..thanks for the idea ❤
9:14 Risky play for sure, and off the cuff I'm not going to say he played it well. But to be somewhat fair to the opponent, the fact that you already played two hopeless nightmares makes the odds of you having the third significantly lower. So he might have been taking a calculated risk there that just didn't pay off for him. Or maybe he's just a dumbass lol.
imo standard has been powercrept too much because of red prowess specifically. them killing you on turn 3 with ease means cheap efficient removal has to be EVERYWHERE, which means removal *also* has to be too good, meaning non-prowess creatures have to either have protection or be good enough to the point that being removed is worth the risk, but then you also get insane stuff like the very cheap protection in white and green. I generally feel like standard has spiraled because of red prowess, and that getting rid of the turn 3 kills and the hyper efficient removal/protection would be better for the format. EDIT: to be specific, I feel like the most unfair deck is for sure Gruul Prowess, hyper aggressive decks should not have access to perfect protection that ALSO pumps it.
I've been running a similar list and it's slowly been carrying me to mythic. However, I'm leaning more heavily into a boggles-y strategy, running ethereal armor and other cheap enchants to kill a bit faster. Feels very good and Orzhov's sideboard feels insanely strong in this meta.
WotC pro tour structure favors stability on the pro circuit. It's far, far easier to stay a pro than become one, and it's been this way intentionally since the beginning. It's interesting the mistakes you see in Pro Tour play from players who have picked a deck very recently after hurried testing. Heck Javier was punting game after game yet still made top 8. Also, small sample size, if you took the tournament structure and played all players of equal strength, you'd still get results that look like some players were far better than others just by expected random normal distribution of results. It's fun, it does often feature great play and games, but it's also largely a mirage.
I just tried timeless and never again. My opponent first round a swamp and some 1/1 vampire My First round a land My opponent second round a land 2 dark ritual and the 2 monsters 1 had Whenever an opponet looses life you gain 1 life and the other was a creature with whenever you gain life your opponent looses 1 life. All I had down was 1 land. He attacks with his 1/1 and I take 1 damage = loosing 1 life he gains 1 life so I loose 1 life and the process just repeated itself until I died in his second round and I had 1 round😂😂😂
I dont know how you do this. I crafted the cards for this deck and all i face is removal, literally. 9/10 games i play the the opponent undoes everything i do until they get their wincon down. I'm losing like 10 matches for every 1 i play currently. As always it didnt even start bad, i started with a decent winrate, but after the usual 7-10 wins the game subjectively adjusts to my deck and uses me as fodder to the whales (at least it feel like it). If i play more creatures, they have creature removal. If i play more non creature enchants, they have enchantment removal. If i remove on of theirs, they remove my Sheltered. If i manage to build a board, they wipe. If i manage to build up a strong creature they can fend it off until they have a solution. Cut the Throat -> Rescue 2nd Cut the Throat -> 2. Rescue *opponent pulls card* Sheoldred's Edict If this continues i'm even deranking from Gold with this. Every match i'm facing the perfect solutions to my board state.
You really are the best brewer on Arena right now. Every deck on here is a banger.
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I will 2nd that - Tysm
Hit mythic last week, I'm loving these builds keep up the good content 😘
Awesome work!
Especially with access to valgavoths lair I think the way to enable victor is Calix, guided by fate. Before duskmourn released I had an abzan enchantment stompy deck using builders talent, hunters talent, lord skitters blessing, and spellbook vendor as the main enchantments and then Invasion of theros and calix as payoffs, victor fits perfectly in the list. For invasion targets Heliod the radiant dawn and ossification worked well.
Oh I would love to give it a try myself! Would you be willing to provide a list if you don't mind?
Only thing I'd add would be The Witch's Vanity, so it gives you a free aura in the future.
Got a lot of reanimations because of that extra enchantment
I was considering that card for sure!
ohh i like that!
This was the first thing I tried to build when dusk came out. Great seeing you make it work.
it's insane that mono black skeletons is a legit deck in standard right now
I've been playing a similar deck and it's done me pretty proud. I do add in some Aven Interrupters to help with board wipes and Nurturing Pixies to pick up some of the enchantments, though
I like Aven Interrupter!
Wish I could build some of these decks, but the wildcard struggle is real!
Defiled Crypt/Cadaver Lab and Grand Entryway/Elegant Rotunda both give you 3 triggers for Victor .....this also seems like the best home for Ghostly Dancers
Noted!
Wow, crazy match at 24:06
"The goth mother Lilliana" epic! I will use the term goth mother from now on.
I remember when they changed the sideboard rules to cap smaller because of Bo1. I think it was lesson's from Stirixhaven at that time.
I played against a Victor deck that runs the rooms which make enchantment creature tokens. Opp was able to trigger the 3x eerie a few times during our match to bring out Valgavoth from the graveyard
RESPECT
Deck seems sweet. Would be fun to play in paper. I'd be super tempted to squeeze in a couple of pixies and Sporogenic Infections. Not too difficult to make Infection a 2-for-1 & might make Victor's third trigger easier too. Maybe a couple of Ethereal Armor sb for the monored matchups.
I was waiting for Eriette with all of these great new aura’s
I feel like slumbering keepguard could be good too, just because the extra sorting is nice. Not to mention an out of nowhere attack if you can manage to keep stuff on the board.
9:00 opponent could not resist the blue mage within them, they must draw more cards at all costs
Jeff Hoogland talked about the whole “luck vs skill” thing in Magic a while ago, and he made many of the same points you did. Talking to someone in his chat, he said, “So basically what you’re saying is that there’s no skill in Magic, it’s all variance based on the cards you draw, which is just not true. I mean, there’s a reason why you see the same people consistently in the top 8 at major events, and that’s because Magic is predominantly a skill game. And the people who believe that Magic is NOT predominantly a skill game generally aren’t good enough at the game to recognize the small mistakes they are making that are costing them percentage points. And that’s just… the truth”
It's so valid
Just bring up proffesional poker and watch how anyone saying that a tcg is all luck based will make a fool of themselves.😂
You don't even build your poker deck but all the same skills are needed.
I love your voice I could listen to you talk for hours
Ash, thoughts on the 1mana armor that gives you +1/+1 for each enchantment you control
The only card I'd suggest testing is Sporogenic Infection as a sideboard option against big creature decks. With Eriette in play it effectively removes 2 creatures immediately by making them sac 1 and the other cant' attack, then you trade the 1 life proc at end of turn.
ive been playing hella victor. I have actually reanimated other from openents gy quite often. actually have gotten oppents valgavoth a couple of times. a synergy i want to try is delney plus hexmage wicked role on victor so he double procs with delney lol. plus delney makes erriete double trigger aswell. I havent tried this yet I just play more discard strat with bandits and run teeth and and 2x enduring tenacity at top end which works really well with sheltered by ghost. can voltron up a creature with ethereal armors, ghost, feather, and scavengers. have had like a 20/20 life link with enduring tenacity before lol. peace love to see a victor build def my favorite card in dskmrn and peeps ofc!
I been brewing a janky Victor deck with Lord Skitter's and Grand Entryway for them 2 for 1s on the triggers.
29:56 the opponent literally discarded their only out cut down (block, cut down their own creature to deny the life gain, and then swing for lethal next turn)
nice catch!
Victor: play room that creates glimmer token and play enchantment land
Spiteful hexmage .. when it enters attach cursed role to creature you control. When you cast 2nd hexmage, can't you target a creature that already has cursed role... It just can only have one role token per player so it would sac the first curse role... Match up @ like 32min. Anyways, I think I'm gonna try this deck, nice brew!
On the topic of bannings. WoTC doesn't usually go after dominant decks (something is going to be/needs to be the best). They'll step in when something is unbeatable or format warping after giving the players a chance to try and figure out a solution with the available tools.
Sporgenic infection might be fun with Eriette
I swear, if u gave her a paper clip two rubber bands and a piece of duct tape she could still find a way to make the sickest standard brew with it. The chef of a generation tbh
pixies are very good in this deck as well. I think the list i run is almost a pixies deck with victor in it lol
Couldnt Victor be used in your previous overlord deck that sacrifices and brings them back into play?
I think the only way to make Victor work is in a domain room deck with Marina Vendrell and other cards that allow you to keep locking/unlocking rooms. Seems like a lot of work tho and prob wouldn't be competitive at all
Victor can reanimate from A graveyard. That means your opponent's graveyard too.
Just saying.
Ethereal armor is 1 mana, might be good in the deck with victor?
Isn't there a witch from Eldraine which creates a bunch of rats and puts a wicked role token on all of them?
Yes a 5 drop tho
Victor with Lich knights Conquest Overlords would get like a million triggers, right?
Should swap rottenmouth for archon of the wild rose. Cheaper to hardcast without saccing enchants and surprise flying on your dorks ends games on stalled boards. Rottenmouth is very easy to play around imo
Could be sweet!!
I'm a big fan of archon but if rottenmouth is easy to play round then someone's doing it wrong - like when people used to just slam sheoldred on turn 4 with no thought for timing because everyone spoke ad nauseum about how good it is; all these cards are closers, not usually slam-it-and-hope-for-the-best-ers
If you slam it early you are saccing your board and if you play it late you get a 6/6 that is easy to play around instead of a closer that gives your team evasion and stats. I haven't been impressed with viper and it feels like a win more card
Do you play any brawl? I'd be very interested in seeing what concepts you come up with
Nice brew! Im looking for the best brew to make viper shine and be protected cus most of times she comes down than get fucked straight away but this one seems pretty fit for her..thanks for the idea ❤
I know it would be too strong but i really wouldn't have minded if the viper had a ward cost 😭
9:14 Risky play for sure, and off the cuff I'm not going to say he played it well. But to be somewhat fair to the opponent, the fact that you already played two hopeless nightmares makes the odds of you having the third significantly lower. So he might have been taking a calculated risk there that just didn't pay off for him. Or maybe he's just a dumbass lol.
imo standard has been powercrept too much because of red prowess specifically. them killing you on turn 3 with ease means cheap efficient removal has to be EVERYWHERE, which means removal *also* has to be too good, meaning non-prowess creatures have to either have protection or be good enough to the point that being removed is worth the risk, but then you also get insane stuff like the very cheap protection in white and green.
I generally feel like standard has spiraled because of red prowess, and that getting rid of the turn 3 kills and the hyper efficient removal/protection would be better for the format.
EDIT: to be specific, I feel like the most unfair deck is for sure Gruul Prowess, hyper aggressive decks should not have access to perfect protection that ALSO pumps it.
I've been running a similar list and it's slowly been carrying me to mythic. However, I'm leaning more heavily into a boggles-y strategy, running ethereal armor and other cheap enchants to kill a bit faster. Feels very good and Orzhov's sideboard feels insanely strong in this meta.
WotC pro tour structure favors stability on the pro circuit. It's far, far easier to stay a pro than become one, and it's been this way intentionally since the beginning. It's interesting the mistakes you see in Pro Tour play from players who have picked a deck very recently after hurried testing. Heck Javier was punting game after game yet still made top 8. Also, small sample size, if you took the tournament structure and played all players of equal strength, you'd still get results that look like some players were far better than others just by expected random normal distribution of results. It's fun, it does often feature great play and games, but it's also largely a mirage.
I just tried timeless and never again.
My opponent first round a swamp and some 1/1 vampire
My First round a land
My opponent second round a land 2 dark ritual and the 2 monsters 1 had Whenever an opponet looses life you gain 1 life and the other was a creature with whenever you gain life your opponent looses 1 life.
All I had down was 1 land.
He attacks with his 1/1 and I take 1 damage = loosing 1 life he gains 1 life so I loose 1 life and the process just repeated itself until I died in his second round and I had 1 round😂😂😂
I dont know how you do this. I crafted the cards for this deck and all i face is removal, literally. 9/10 games i play the the opponent undoes everything i do until they get their wincon down.
I'm losing like 10 matches for every 1 i play currently.
As always it didnt even start bad, i started with a decent winrate, but after the usual 7-10 wins the game subjectively adjusts to my deck and uses me as fodder to the whales (at least it feel like it).
If i play more creatures, they have creature removal.
If i play more non creature enchants, they have enchantment removal.
If i remove on of theirs, they remove my Sheltered.
If i manage to build a board, they wipe.
If i manage to build up a strong creature they can fend it off until they have a solution.
Cut the Throat -> Rescue
2nd Cut the Throat -> 2. Rescue
*opponent pulls card*
Sheoldred's Edict
If this continues i'm even deranking from Gold with this.
Every match i'm facing the perfect solutions to my board state.
pixie maybe ?
"Pros" never constantly win tournaments because its random
Pro magic players making their own luck equals cheating lol
to the unlucky chatter, luck isnt real, youre just umm well yeah
Sorry but thus deck is clickbait first: viktor is a comander
I have nothing more to say
can you not say "like" every two words? think of it as a challenge
you know you can just click on something else to watch right
All I can say is that the opponent who is ranked 1000 and still plays so poorly. There must be something wrong with mtga
the mtg arena ranked system will eventually give you mythic as long as you play a ton of games, might have happened to them?