we need to talk about Daily Harvest
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ธ.ค. 2024
- For the last two months, people have been experiencing mystery illness sending them to the hospital, all of them say they ate the French Lentil + Leek Crumbles from Daily Harvest. Let's talk about this still unfolding situation and how Daily Harvest has responded.
(Everything is unfolding and nothing is confirmed, everything is alleged.)
If you have eaten the crumbles and are experiencing symptoms please seek medical attention and report it to Daily Harvest at crumbles-recall@daily-harvest.com
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I dont know about you, but when I hear the phrase 'gastrointestinal discomfort' I think "Ah man, my stomach was messed up from eating all that Taco Bell last night!" Not "HELP! IM IN THE HOSPITAL IN INCREDIBLE PAIN AND THE DOCTORS DONT KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME!!!"
This comment made me laugh- I know it shouldn't but it did
Yeah they should say it how it is. Elevated liver enzymes or anything elevated in your liver is NOT good, esp that one person saying they were jaundice! That’s not just tummy issues! This is really wild to me, let’s hope they don’t get away with this.
Exactly oops I shouldn’t have gone crazy with the sweets now I’m pooping like crazy 😂 not IS THIS DEATH?!!!!🤯💀
they tried as hard as they could to make it sound like "Karen can't cook and got an upset tummy" when in reality multiple people had surgery because of it
Yeah I don't think fucking jaundice is "discomfort"
In a time before the FDA, Heinz Ketchup reached ketchup supremacy (and retains its title) because it was the only ketchup brand that people knew was NOT poisonous. That is the power of consumer trust.
It actually originally had a ton of chemicals and additives, but when the FDA was created, Heinz got rid of them and utilized the new regulations for their marketing
I've produced Heinz Ketchup (and other sauces) when I worked at a local spice factory which takes contracts from anyone and just produces their stuff, ranging from Pizza Hut sauce to Great Value honey BBQ glaze. I can actually attest to the fact that we only got contracts like that because of our factory's quality and cleanliness. I now know specific companies to trust because, if they were hiring our factory, that means they care about quality.
A lot of people who support “small government” want agencies like the FDA to cease to exist because they cause “undue regulations that hinder business”…
I’m pretty sure that everyone advocating for “small government” would last long in Victorian times when plaster was baked into bread, wallpaper and other green-colored products (including clothing) was made with arsenic, and there were literally NO regulations as to how to handle, disperse and design natural gas and electricity in the home safely (think massive explosive fires and electrical devices causing electrocution due to exposed wiring)
The TH-cam channel Absolute History has some great videos and documentaries on hidden killers in past homes that I highly recommend watching if you want to know more!
@@Gamingderpmonglers Could you give more examples of what brands are safer then? It's damn good knowledge to have :D
@@Gamingderpmonglers agreed knowing those companies would be beneficial
UPDATE: It’s been confirmed that the problem was caused by imported tara flour. There are only a few importers, and the FDA is still working to find the exact issue with the flour. Tara flour is a pretty niche ingredient, only really used in veggie/vegan meat replacements, but it’s recommended that you check ingredients for it and not purchased any products containing it in larger amounts.
It is appalling that this issue was allowed to reach the level it has (at least 25 people have had to have their gallbladders removed, many more have potentially permanent liver damage) and Daily Harvest is absolutely at fault, but the product was not contaminated by their production, but by a supplier. Again, the response from Daily Harvest is appalling, but other people (the supplier, importer, QC, FDA) also should have stopped this before it reached crisis levels. This is a failure on behalf of multiple groups.
I was wondering if anyone had posted this information! It makes sense that the issue would be a niche and mostly untested supplement rather than better known ingredients. It also gives people something to watch out for in ingredients lists.
This is terrifying.
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@@itsjustmaddisen tara-fying.
I’m a huuuge food hippie. Vegan, love cooking and baking with ~weird~ ingredients; coconut flour, maca powder, spirulina, coconut sugar etc. I have literally never heard of tara flour so it really must be niche! I wonder how much testing it’s gone through….
Being offered $10 off isn't even like "here's $10," it's like "hey, sorry our product made you sick, you should give us more money but we'll let you give us slightly less money than we wanted before"
They need to pay the hospital bill of those effected and some damages money. It’s insane to only offer 10$.
this is such a sorry attempt at compensation (also is this $10 in cash or $10 in like,, store credit?) and it could also be a tactic to get people to accept compensation before any lawsuits occur
@@achewy7700 nah it's not cash, in that case it'd be a refund. i wouldn't say it's store credit since it's a coupon but it works the same way: you can use it the next time you order and you get $10 off. but yeah since it totally implies that you have to purchase more stuff from the brand I think the people affected would say "heck nooooo". at this point it's not a matter of refund or anything :/
This is Alaska Airline's entire customer retention strategy too and its the most annoying and transparent customer service ploy on the planet.
It feels like a cya situation where they can say "Look they accepted the coupon and used it, so we don't owe them any other compensation!" because there's sometimes some kind of small text agreement with these things in contracts and such. It's gross as hell for companies to do that, but it's not uncommon.
i tried daily harvest once a while ago. they listed all items in their foods that could be allergens, EXCEPT for coconut. in fact, a lot of the stuff i ordered didn’t even list coconut as an ingredient. i’m allergic to any coconut products, so imagine my surprise as i’m eating the bowls i ordered and start chewing coconut pieces, or finding out that it was made with coconut milk. luckily my allergy only causes me some stomach and throat discomfort, but i can’t imagine what it could do to someone whose allergy is more severe. after that first order i completely cancelled and never trusted them again.
This should also definitely be brought up in all the things about them
woah wtf that could’ve been so bad, glad you’re okay!
THIS OMG, I also have a coconut allergy, mine is similar with discomfort and minor throat itching/swelling, my brother on the other hand has anaphylactic reactions to coconut. it’s so annoying that companies just act like coconut is no big deal because it’s trendy right now.😩
I noticed that too! And sesame/tahini
My partner is also allergic to coconut, which is frustrating because it’s so often used in dairy substitutes. We’ve considered trying something new so many times only to realize it didn’t even mention the coconut :/
"The FDA tested individual ingredients, including tara flour, for the crumbles and found toxic metals. The toxic metals screen included the following metals above the reporting limit (200 ng/g): vanadium, chromium, cobalt, nickel, arsenic, selenium, cadmium, mercury, thallium, and lead."
-from food safety news on Feb 17 2023
Damn, that shit is a whole metal cocktail.
@@PeeperSnail served only at hard core metal venues!
I feel like even someone who doesnt know much about toxic metals would freak out at arsenic lol
@@KingSugarbear Forget about mercury... THALLIUM???
How the hell would that even happen??? With that amount of heavy metals, it feels intentional!!
I just googled about lentils, and like many other legumes they do need to be cooked, but even if they're undercooked the normal reaction seems to be discomfort, some....extra time in the bathroom, stuff like that. Toxic, unpleasant, but not the end of the world. But if it's putting this many people in the hospital, that's not undercooked lentils. That's something else.
Most likely contamination. These services don't get held to the same standards as supermarkets which means they can cut corners and not test for things.
Yeah, I cook lentils quite frequently. They're a very easy legume to prepare and don't take very long at all to cook. I''ve never had stomach discomfort from eating them. Something else is likely going on.
it might be the mushroom that they used
I can vouch for bathroom time with undercooked lentils.
Some need to be soaked in water overnight before you can cook them.
That goes for some wheats too like barley.
*Soaking them helps breakdown that starch that's hard to digest. Cooking them after soaking further breaks down the molecules of that starch*.... Basically we can't really digest lentils that well on their own. Soak overnight and then good for the optional digestion.
I was working with Daily Harvest as an affiliate. I was shipped the New Lentils + Leek Crumbles as part of the PR package. After eating the crumbles May 20th, I ended up at the hospital 24 hours later. My story is so similar to hers. I am STILL having health problems and seeing a specialist. I'm heartbroken. I definitely feel like saying "you have to cook them properly" made me like I was to blame for this. There's no way that this food was tested properly because hundreds of people fell ill within 24 hours after eating these crumbles.
Hey, if you still have any of these crumbles, I will pay a premium price!
@@lindavontungeln251 are you gonna eat them?
As someone who watches a lot of lawyers on TH-cam (including a personal injury lawyer that talks about this exact kind of situation), the quick-fix company trying to get people to eat more veggies pointing to the need to cook the food thoroughly IMMEDIATELY makes me question the quality of their cooking instructions. If they told consumers to cook their lentils wrong, that would still be entirely on them - it isn’t the consumer’s job to second-guess the instructions on product packaging.
If it does turn out to be an issue of undercooked food, this company is probably going to foot the bill for everybody’s hospital visits. Bad cooking instructions can be just as dangerous as contaminated food.
I hope you get better soon, and I hope you get to recoup some of your expenses caused by this mess. Best wishes, and seek legal counsel (in a case like this you might not even have to pay a lawyer).
i hope you’re doing well now
@@sidiwvwhi I am doing better now. Thank you!
The mushrooms that they use in the crumble, cremini mushrooms, have a poisonous lookalike that causes delayed symptoms and liver and kidney damage. I’m not saying for sure that that’s what it is at all but it’s definitely a possibility. Hopefully they would have been using human-grown creminis instead of outsourcing foraging.
That's exactly the first thing I thought of as well! Some poisonous mushrooms can also have their symptoms go away, but come back even worse a few days later.
Yea the mushrooms part kinda sent me red flags 🚩
Aren't most organic creminis foraged? In any case, we'd be seeing this with anyone using that mushroom supplier, assuming they aren't foraging their own mushrooms.
@@Alansaurus same!
what are the chances of this type of mushroom being sourced through foraging? I thought for sure most mushrooms used for mass production are human grown
No refund is gonna get people's gallbladders back. They deserve to go out of business at this point, and it would be better if they just announced that they are shutting down voluntarily instead of trying to peddle their remaining products and pretend like everything's fine. There are plenty of other competing services who haven't poisoned their customers.
exactly how i feel, no refund or even court ordered punitive damage payouts could ameliorate the harm done by dailyhealth and some of these other "health" companies. they systematically avoid all accountability at every level and blame the consumer for falling for their nonsense marketing and i'm sick of it.
Customers have started suing and the FDA has samples from affected consumers so here’s hoping DH is stopped.
I just had my gallbladder removed on june 30th not due to this company though. I would never wish this on anyone recovery is so painful
Like McDonald's always offering free nuggets in exchange for when someone finds a chicken head with their current nuggets.
@@msbeautifulchaos i had to get mine out in 2019 and it was so fucking painful honest to god i wanted to die
Even *if* it comes down to "human error," DH should take a serious look at their instructions. Especially if undercooking can cause that much potential harm.
Even if it's user error, DH could still be liable. Food labeling is serious business and with their minimalist packaging, it doesn't seem like their cooking instructions were very strict. I don't see any warnings on their packaging about eating undercooked lentils.
This is exactly what I was thinking. Let's say it's on the people not cooking it all the way. It's STILL THE COMPANY'S FAULT because if cooking something all the way through is important to safety it's IMPREATIVE to label how important cooking is to the item and I'm shit sure they properly were like "yeah just cook these real quick" on the packaging instead of "hey, so thoroughly cook these because if you don't you can get extremely ill"
I was thinking exactly this. If it's a cooking error that has harmed this many users, something printed on their packaging needs to change to better prevent it.
@@brees3 exactly, raw beans have warnings on the back of them- like black eyed peas and kidney beans I believe are deadly if undercooked, so why (supposing it is user error, which I’m skeptical of) is there no warning about this, it’s happening so frequently that it was trending on line but somehow they’re acting like it’s completely on the consumer. These aren’t toddlers, they’re grown adults having these issues.
Or just don't sell anything that requires such specific cooking in a food delivery service marketed as a quick meal option. Unless they are precooked or already fully cooked that is just not a meal box type item.
Companies have gotten way too good at avoiding consequences when they harm people, and I'm watching this scenario carefully because these direct to consumer products seem to be particularly risky. Often they don't seem to realize how much harm they can cause.
A huge problem is the law encourages silence and vagueness. If they tell everyone and broadcast to every customer, well, then there might be more claimants on the suit. If they admit fault and offer to pay medical bills? Well, now they're liable for legal recourse.
It's completely backwards and leads to most companies going the route of keeping quiet and not actually taking care of customers properly.
That’s capitalism for you.
You can thank Citizen’s United for that
When I found out they aren’t regulated the same because they’re in this “gray area”, Oh I’m done!
@@iamnilsa One of several reasons I'm highly skeptical of startup businesses models - it'll get pitched as innovation, but often the fine print reveals they're innovating their way around legal oversight. Not just on quality and safety, either - a lot of em have a horrible lack of privacy protections.
Hearing about the horrible response of DH, I can't help but compare to the 1982 Tylenol crisis. Although the issue occurred after the bottles were on shelves, due to someone tampering with them - tylenol put a huge effort into investigating their end of things, recalled billions of product, and literally paid to put advertisements out to warn people to dispose of any of their product in case. After it was discovered the issue occurred in stores, they created tamper proof packaging as a solution.
Everyone assumed the brand would never recover, but their successful comeback was largely attributed to their handling of the crisis and putting their customers safety first.
Though Tylenol is owned by johnson & johnson and is a MUCH larger company than DH, I think it still shows how putting customers safety first is the best thing not only morally but for your business overall in this kind of situation.
They also discontinued that particular product line and the tamper proof seals are industry standard now due to this crisis and follow up actions.
I was also thinking of that (less so comparing their pr responses, and more thinking of how the Tylenol deaths imposed new standards of safety).
Especially since someone mentioned that these food subscription services aren’t as regulated as grocery stores or restaurants given how incredibly new they are.
Hopefully a higher standard of safety is imposed on the industry, even if DH doesn’t recover.
Hope this daily harvest case imposes new standards on these companies, abd they definitely deserve to go out of business for this
great point
Interestingly, it seems that the product that caused the issue was being processed by the liver into something similar to Tylenol.
It is definitely not a cooking issue. I am Indian and we make this powder from toasted (so not aggressively cooked) dried lentils and different herbs etc as a kind of accompaniment to food. Never heard of this happening.
So depending on where the lentils are growing can cause a build up of multiple heavy metals including arsenic. “entils also contain significant amounts of mineral elements like Ca, Mg, Fe, Mn, Cu, Co, Ni, B and Se [1, 2]. Lentils accumulate metals at different levels depending upon environmental conditions, metal species and available forms of the heavy metals.”
@@sixfeetundertheradar6080 what areas are safest? Or which should we avoid?
I was also thinking that, IF it was indeed a cooking issue then either DH didn’t do their jobs properly at the factory or, and that’s the best part, the cooking instructions they gave with the product were faulty. Cause I doubt this many people, people who want to eat healthy and are willing to pay for it, would not know how to follow cooking instructions correctly
@@SoManyRandomRamblings hard to tell bc its also region based but in generell europe and south america good asia and africa bad bc they have much higher mineral metal and other toxic ground reserves however nowaday that should literally not be a problem u can detect and scan groundwater that the plants feed off without having to dig to the point where u can farm on bad ground water bc the technology predicts how much the the different soils will filter out so this was defenitely either carelessnes which is my guess or even worse grown in an area so poor they cant afford simple soil scanners that even the farmers hre in rural germany have in their fields
But the dried lentils you use have probably been boiled and dehydrated again. It’s usually something the source has already processed, but this company used completely raw lentils or something which is not usuaL.
I can't believe how much they're trying to downplay this whole situation, it feels incredibly gross. This is the kind of thing that should be on news headlines so that anyone who can't get emails still hears about it
Exactly! I remember around last year or so, a type of frozen mangoes was recalled for e-coli contamination and every local news source had an article about it to warn people
I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm still shocked that a year prior someone on Reddit found a ball bearing in their food from daily harvest and daily harvest didn't do anything about it. No recalls, no further contact with the customer after sending the thing off to them: nothing. I don't live in the US but would NEVER buy from a company that did that.
A WHAT
Once as a kid I found a ceramic fragment of some kind in some salsa. My parent contacted the company to tell them. The company immediately acted like all we wanted was money and that we were lying. I doubt they did anything to investigate. So yeah, not really surprised that Daily Harvest is also lazy about health/safety. Seems to be a thing, idk
I've had two similar issues: lactose-free milk that had an acid taste and ham that got spoiled too early. Both answered in less than a day. The milk company took the carton and gave me two in compensation, and the other company sent a selection of their premium products. Both companies cared more than Daily Harvest.
@@Nadia1989 yeah, my family have had those issues with food before. Never had something like that happen but I know where I would take business and gossip if it did because that flag is scarlet. My sister found a melted chunk of rubber glove in her cocoa puffs, of all things. The company who made the cocoa puffs kicked off a full-scale recall and gave her a bunch of vouchers in compensation that meant she had free cereal for months lmao
@@caitlin8274 "A ball bearing is a type of rolling-element bearing that serves three main functions while it facilitates motion: it carries loads, reduces friction and positions moving machine parts. Ball bearings use balls to separate two “races,” or bearing rings, to reduce surface contact and friction across moving planes."
BRUH. THAT'S A PART OF THE MACHINE!!! LIKE A CONVEYOR BELT OR SOMETHING!!! 😱😱😱
Jif peanut butter recalled their stuff so hard that it's been a month and I still can't buy Jif All Natural anywhere. They recalled stuff before most people even knew their was a problem.
We had a jar of recalled Jif and Jif was so on it we heard about it before we had even opened the jar, and the Walmart we got it from gladly refunded us when we brought it back (We bought some Skippy lol)
Hold up what. I have like 4 jars from random times- I buy one once a week. where do I find out more about the recall? I haven’t heard shit. Edit: I just did a Google search and found out there have been cases in my state, going to go check and see if any of my jars are part of the recall. How did y’all know about it? I never even noticed any being taken off the shelf??? Is there some kind of text alert system for food recalls I’m not in on?
@@mikalin9286 I saw a few articles
I got a phone call from target where I bought mine, but I had already thrown it out before opening because I saw so much about it online
@@ashaus14 Glad Target also made sure you're good lol
I have OCD and struggle with a fear of food poisoning/contamination. So if this happened to me, even if I didn't have lasting _physical_ damage, the _mental_ consequences would be severe. DH needs to be held accountable.
Same : (
Same. It's difficult for me sometimes to eat just after hearing a recall on the news. I can't imagine if it was a product I actually had in the house or had consumed and gotten sick from. I would never want to eat anything ever again.
You need help ❤❤❤
this isn't just a daily harvest issue
A friend of mine works as a quality consultant in factories, they found out that pig schnitzels had been packaged as vegan schnitzels. It took them 3 days to recall them and even when they recalled it it was just a mention on the product page of the supermarket
no social media posts or anything
a few days after that it did end up on social media because people were making fun of the 'stupid vegans that ate pig meat' even though 1 this can get you quite sick as a vegan 2 these products could have been purchased for religious reasons 3 I actually notified someone who I knew about the issue 2 days before the recall (my friend had warned me) and saved her a hospital visit since she's literally allergic to pig
holy shit thats terrifying
people are so ready to make fun of vegans and fad diets and most never seem to stop and consider that some people could have potentially deadly allergies.
like there are a ton of different health conditions that have necessary dietary restrictions. you can be allergic to pretty much anything, even water.
it's like that old post from a few years ago that I still see show up now and then, about some fast food worker laughing about giving "dumb skinny girls" regular soda and other drinks when they ask for diet or no sugar etc - you never know why someone asks for these things, they could be on a fad diet or you being petty could land them in the hospital or worse.
As a vegan this is fkn horrifying. I don’t even know how much body would react… that’s so messed up
I worked in a production kitchen for about a year and a half..... I only saw the health inspector come in twice.
The their visit they didn't even check the production kitchen itself.
Same when I worked in a restaurant. During the pandemic. Never fucking saw the health inspector show up.
@@BLANKSecretBLANK it’s so annoying
It could also be the supplier. Where the lentils are grown could be the problem. And wow, I didn't know the going rate for food poisoning consumers was a $10 discount. 😒
Wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those "if you take this discount, you're not allowed to sue us" traps.
@@MolecularMachine As far as I'm aware though, those don't usually hold up in court under too much scrutiny. You can't just write illegal shit in a ToS, in the same way that a $10 coupon wouldn't count as actual compensation even if you took it with the ToS stating that you can't sue them.
@@eve6262_ Good tbh, I was wondering after I posted it if that sort of thing was legit. Thanks for the clarification!
Can confirm, that happened to me with a like protein bar. Bought two whole boxes and only got $10 for it
I've had my gallbladder taken out, because of gallstones. The pain I was in was insane. "Gastrointestinal discomfort" is how I describe food poisoning. As bad a food poisoning is, that pain was on another level.
"Gastrointestinal discomfort" is honestly how I describe an IBS flare up. Food poisoning is a next level up, so I can't even imagine what gallstones must be like 😦
$10 for going through all of that is legitimately insulting.
Gallbladder pain is so intense, I wouldn’t wish that on anyone
It’s all relative. “Gastrointestinal discomfort” for me might be somebody else’s 7/10 pain.
@@Kyiecutie I think its the wording tho, 'discomfort' implies youre just uncomfortable, not in full blown pain, let alone straight up in the hospital with heightened liver enzymes.
@@sapphirepebbles8258 right but like I was saying, pain is relative. In a medical sense “discomfort” ≠ “I’m uncomfortable” it’s more like a type of feeling that exists somewhere on the pain scale.
And this is extra terrifying in a country like America where most people can't afford a trip to the emergency room.
And the ER is the only place not allowed to turn you away, even though these symptoms absolutely call for an ER visit.
@@Kayla_P99 Yep if your lucky maybe you have an urgent care in your area.
Currently dealing with this exact issue lmao, have a massive cut on my arm from this morningrn but bc i cant afford stitches and ill survive without them i have to opt for sterile wound tape closing it shut
@@boojersey13 That's horrifying I hope a quick a speedy recovery for you.
Yeah I couldn't stop thinking about how expensive all of those labs were.
I have seen suggestions it may be aflatoxin--its produced by a fungus that often targets crops and lentils have been recorded as being one. Its hard to destroy all of it even when you cook the food and its a contamination that happens during harvesting. A lot of companies dont test for it. Its symptoms do match up. This is just a theory, however, but one that makes a lot of sense to me.
This makes sense, especially since some people have had their gallbladders removed. It'll be interesting to see what it is when they finally narrow it down.
@@evie4542 Why are they having their gallbladders removed?
I just read an article that stated DH was actively testing for this and other mycotoxins so we'll soon find out.
@@milchreis9554 some people just need to have them removed because they just don't work properly. you can live without a gallbladder, but you do have to be more careful what you eat.
@@retrogradepink That just sounds so vague to me. Which part doesn't work? Too little bile for example. What's the reason and the science is what I'm asking.
Edited to delete my comment because a lot of people rely on food sub boxes for affordable meals and veggies. For all I know the article i mentioned could be fear mongering and I dont want it on my conscious if people have to compromise on their nutrition for what could be a freak incident with one single brand of meal subscriptions.
Thank you for the info honestly
This is insane to learn omg
Ugh that’s.. disappointing to learn. Hellofresh is one of the only ways I can make meals with veggies. I can’t keep track of produce very well, and frozen stuff tastes weird to me.
That might be true for some of Hello Fresh and DH's products but it's not true of any finished goods. Anything that is processed and packaged (like the crumbles are) is considered a "finished good" and subject to FDA regulations. The ingredients (so when you just get a box of meat and veggies from Hello Fresh) are regulated by the USDA.
They may try to circumvent but they are regulated by either the FDA or USDA. The FDA also did just announce it has opened an investigation into DH.
Nailed it! A friend of mine (a chef) worked for a couple companies like this briefly before recognizing the pattern you pointed out. The sad thing is they isolate the people who have actually worked in the industry (the people who know safe food handling) from those who actually handle the food, so the chefs don’t catch on to what’s happening and try to blow the whistle. The people handling the food are usually innocent too, they’re untrained and don’t know any better. But these companies need to be regulated.
Holy crap, I've been a daily harvest customer for a couple years now. I actually had the Leek + Lentils Crumbles in my cart, but I've been delaying my next shipment for several weeks simply because I just wasn't feeling it. All I got was an email a couple weeks ago about how the Crumbles were "temporarily out of stock", which I quickly dismissed as nothing. I'm shocked that I'm only hearing about this now and I'm incredibly disappointed with how they've handled this recall. Thanks for letting us know about this Amanda. I really shouldn't have heard about this from you, but I'm glad I did. Canceling my subscription immediately.
You may have just saved your own life right now.
Only buy from your local big chain stores such as Walmart Target or Safeway at least you got immediate recourse just always keep your receipts. At least the big chain stores have adequate insurance to cover any potential lawsuits. Any issues with your local big chain stores you get to call your local news outlets to help you spread the word out. When you buy from online companies especially relatively new startups (less than 5 to 10 years old) you never know one day they get sued big time (Just like Daily Harvest for example) then suddenly disappear without warning and while you get sick and it's already too late they're gone...
having a "mystery illness" is really scary, and it absolutely makes you feel alone. I've been there, not due to this (lol as if I could ever afford it), but there's always a fear of people thinking you're faking it for attention. 'cause if the doctors can't find what's wrong, "nothing must be wrong!!!"
As someone who’s had ITP (which looks a LOT like leukemia) & currently esophagitis, both were “mystery” illness at first and the fear not knowing whats wrong and if you’ll d** can be debilitating
At least it seems most of those affected have the repeated instances of elevated liver enzymes. Doctors may not know why, but that is undeniable evidence that something is wrong and the patient is not faking it, unlike how more subjective symptoms like pain and nausea are often treated when a diagnosis is not obvious. And this is not to say that elevated liver enzymes aren’t serious, its quite the opposite, I’m just saying that its a lot harder to have their concerns brushed off when multiple rounds of bloodwork show the same concerning symptom. Its not adding even more insult to an already large amount of insult and injury in this case.
"Congratulations, all your test results are negative! That means you're fine! Bye!"
"But I still --"
"Have a nice day!"
@@bananawitchcraft ugh, this
As someone with lupus which went undiagnosed for years I was thinking the same thing watching this video.
I've been a Daily Harvest customer for years. I just get their smoothie cups, thankfully, sent to me monthly, but I'm still shocked that I never knew about this serious problem until this video. I don't think I'll be a customer for much longer.
i’ve read accounts of adults and children having similar issues and elevated liver levels from the smoothies, too :/ i’m not sure what’s going on at daily harvest but it’s bad
Read this like it was straight off of Google Reviews or Yelp. Only thing missing is a "1/5 stars. Will not be buying again."
Check out internet Shaquille’s video on DH. Essentially, peanut butter jars can screw in directly to magic bullet style blenders. So you can save the jars and make batches of smoothie cups yourself.
I think it was revealed (allegedly) that their smoothies had a criminally insane large amount of vitamin C in them..
People have been reporting serious issues with the smoothies too. Please stop consuming them
I really want the victims to file a lawsuit.
I think at least a few of them have, I saw a couple articles about it
There will probably be a class action suit if enough people were effected
Lentils don't cause liver damage. They're some of the oldest and most universal foods. This is very concerning.
That’s what I’m thinking…. What are they doing to these lentils to make them cause these issues in so many people.. it’s really really concerning to me. Esp when they said it could be consumer error, like you’ve ever heard of someone getting sick from cooking beans incorrectly. Maybe meat, yeah, but beans/ legumes??? I don’t know about that one….
@@kianna270 beans can make people sick, especially kidney beans, they're toxic if eaten raw or undercooked, very dangerous
@@bookshelfhoney yeah I was just reading that, I would have never known tbh. Don’t hear about it that often. That is most likely the issue unless it’s the mushrooms in it which someone else brought up, and I think that could be likely too.
@@kianna270 i think undercooking kidney beans can cause some lesser degree of gastrointestinal discomfort, but i could be wrong. most likely it doesn’t cause effects like the ones in this video, but it could happen.
Theres a possibility it was the mushrooms. Cremini mushrooms have a very poisonous lookalike, and there is a chance these got mixed in without them even checking. This happens more often than you would think, and is extremely dangerous. Daily harvest needs to shut down for a bit and there needs to be an investigation on the company
Daily harvest has NEVER been a good company that cares about their customers. Internet Shaquille I believe has a great video on this. Their pre-blended smoothies contained absurd and practically toxic amounts of vitamin C.
yes!! i’ve always been skeptical of daily harvest after watching internet shaqs video
Vitamin C is water soluble and it’s common industry practice to put many more times the daily value in all sorts of products, as a preservative. The excess should pass in your urine. Unless they were adding straight Vit C powder or something, which I’m not sure why they would since that would cut into their profits, if anything. How much vitamin C are we talking about here though?
Excess vitamin C turns to oxalates in our bodies which is incredibly toxic and damaging. It isn’t excreted via urine. 250 mg daily max.
the first time I heard of them was through ads between solitaire games on my phone. and if you play mobile games, you know those ads are like bottom tier (weight loss pills, other shitty mobile games, etc), I was shocked when I started seeing sponsorships to podcasts and influencers. they always seemed sketchy
@@talloncusack 2000 mg for some smoothies iirc!
You know what's super crazy... the FDA didn't even have the authority to mandate a food recall until 2011 (FSMA). Relying only on voluntary recalls from companies that have a monetary interest in covering up and downplaying adverse events is such a backwards idea. I just hope the liver failure for these victims can be resolved and is not permanent.
Mandated recalls are still super rare. "Voluntary" is also a weird term. Voluntary implies a company volunteered to recall from the good of their heart. Typically a "voluntary" recall is still requested by the FDA. Basically the FDA says "choose to recall and you control the narrative or don't recall and we issue a public warning."
@@brees3 like a liver replacement being an "Elective procedure"
I’ve been seeing so many advertisements for Daily Harvest lately (Hulu, TH-cam, etc.). I’m kind of horrified to think they’re doing a huge marketing campaign right now in response to losing customers, while not properly handling this situation and current and past customers. Thank you for addressing this, I would have had no idea this was going on!
Literally, one of the ads that interrupted this video for me was an ad for Daily Harvest. I know Amanda can't control whose ads will pop-up when, but it's just bad timing.
Yep! I had a Daily Harvest ad in this very video and they had been getting into my head so much recently that I was looking into trying some of their products! Not now, thank god this showed up in my vid list because I’m not even subbed here.
the only thing I kept thinking about when I saw people listing all the tests and doctor visits they had because of this aside from wishing they get well is that they're in the USA and every doctor visit and test is expensive? who is covering the bills for them ????
That $10 off coupon should definitely cover those bills /s 🙄
Unfortunately no one - you either pay them yourself or let them destroy your credit for years until it’s resolved.
The impending class action lawsuit of course
We have to cover our own medical bills in the states. It’s not uncommon for Americans to have an “emergency fund” savings they they contribute to and don’t touch so they can use it when they need to go to the hospital.
But not everyone has that and a lot of people end up not going to the hospital when they need to because they fear being bankrupt and or homeless when they can’t pay their medical bills.
I was thinking the same thing...
Just took a media ethics class, and Molly (second tiktoker) is *so* right. Saying "no comment", especially when people's health is being affected by something you did, *always* looks bad and is one of the big no-no's in PR crisis communication.
Just looking at the response from the company, people will be (reasonably) frightened no matter what, but being so damn late to respond and seemingly purposefully making information more difficult to find on the issue and the product could sink your company. And they would deserve to fail at this point.
Send the link to this video to your media ethics class instructor via email. "Word of mouth" method of spreading information is especially effective when it comes to academic settings (schools especially). The more people that know about this the better.
"Daily Harvest takes quality and safety very seriously"
seems like not seriously enough for this kind of thing to happen
Hearing these other women getting treated seriously by doctors made me a bit jealous.
I had severe food poisoning that gave me liver damage, but at the time I was just told that I must have been lying about trying a weird diet because I was a young woman, and was sent home! Luckily my liver recovered after 6 months but I still have digestive issues because of it and it's been 11 years.
Honestly, I immediately thought they'd misidentified the mushrooms included and just poisoned everyone.
This feels like a fair assumption, tbh, based on the reactions people are having 😬
Idk if you're thinking of another poisonous mushroom, but most of the prominent ones aren't like this.
They are *FAR* worse.
@@antiarmadillosociety apparently the type of mushroom they use (it’s listed in the ingredients, it’s not actually the porcini, they only use porcini powder) has a poisonous lookalike that causes these kinds of issues?
@@dweebicusmaximus See, I keep seeing people say this, but nobody cites what species the lookalike is.
This seems like the most likely scenario
Unrelated but that blouse is EVERYTHING! The romance, the drama, it's both Elizabeth Bennet and Mr Darcy, I adore it
I got Daily Harvest as a gift a year ago and quality is absolutely not their priority. My first package came with ever single item opened. Nothing was sealed and the food was tossed around in the box. My refund box was half the items open. I opened a smoothie to finally try it out and there was a thick, long, dark strand of hair just sitting in the cup. Quality?? WHERE?? I attributed this sort of mess to their usual tactics and moved on.
At the bare minimum, I think DH should pay the medical bills of the affected costumers.
As someone who has a parent that works for a big company that processes just the seeds of vegetables I know that the process of health and safety already starts there.. something has gone wrong here and they need to figure it out before they're going to continue this line
Edit: alssooooo the recall they did at first is dangerous and not what it's supposed to be
I know this might be a dumb question. But I want to know. Why was the recall at that rate and at first considered dangerous? And not what it was supposed to be? Just curious to know.
Edit: Saw the rest of video. And agree it was bad. But I thought it was an law in the United States about a specific time you should do a recall on food products? Or rather consumed products.
@@liizzset dumb questions don't exist! I might have worded it wrong but what I meant was that by not immediately doing a public announcement and trying to keep it hush hush more people might have been harmed now then necessary. There's a time span of around 1,5 months I think before they start to take more action which imo is too little too late. I'm not from America so I don't know how the law works there exactly. I do work in the travel industry as a representative and work closely with hotels and so know what late or no response to a food related incident can do to humans and i think that this response overall has been bad and dangerous if that makes sense. And if there is a law in America that states that companies can wait for a certain amount of time before they recall a food product that clearly has been causing issues then imo that shouldn't exist 🤔
@@JenniferOhh Thank you for the response. It was very helpful. Agree that they should of stated it publicly about the recall. But that is what I heard they do alot in the shady side of business. Skipping or ignoring the problem and hoping it will goes away. And then pay in a small claims court. Or rather a small settlement. To the people affected. For the "Are you American?" part of the question, I am also not American. So that is why I had had asked if you had know anything or heard anything pertaining towards a situation like this one. You had mentioned that your parent was in seed safety production. And maybe some of the laws had to follow up to or compare to American guidelines. Some companies do that at times.
Do you know what can go wrong with handling seeds? I never knew you could contaminate seeds! I'd like to grow my own veggies soon so I wanna know what not to do💀💀bc I figured seeds handled incorrectly would only lead to like the plant not sprouting because it was damaged
@@bbcallie9586 that's one issue yeah, the other is that if there's diseases in the seeds but the seeds still get planted they can destroy the whole ground area they're planted in, which means you have to take out all the plants, redo all the soil etc. At my dad's job they've thrown away big 1000kg boxes full of seeds because one seed turned out to be ill
Oh my god, I'm not a victim of this, but this is so terrifying. It's not just them either, companies who hawk themselves primarily over social media have a bad rep and for good reason. This really reinforces fears over food, drink, and vitamin companies who promote themselves on social media.
as someone who has recently spent hours in the ER over a diverticulitis flare up i can say no one deserves that kind of pain.
Not even you. 😢
~A microscopic colitis warrior that knows gut flare ups all too well. It sucks even more as I’m pregnant.
Sending healing prayers
Getting a daily harvest ad before this video was really the icing on the cake
Please tell me that's a joke
@@nicematerial nope, i watched the entire ad too. Gotta make sure these idiots pay Amanda
@@Mankorra_Gomorrah I realized it was too sick of a joke not to be real, and right on for watching!
Got one at the start of the video and partway through. They're really wasting their time and money on me. In a good way 😉
I for sure ain't buying anything of theirs now that the only association I have with them is badgering with their ads on a video about their bad practices
with the focus on the lentils, no one is paying attention to the fact that other DH customers have gotten ill effects from other products! ive seen some people mention the smoothies, and some cherry flavored food, among other items i cant remember bc i did this deep dive a while ago. they know its the DH food bc once they stopped eating it they felt better. its not just the lentils.
Exactly! I’ve heard people complaining about adverse effects from eating the flatbreads as well, so it’s not even an isolated case.
I haven't watched the entire video, but $10 after stomach pain, and multiple tests in the hospital is insulting. I'd send them the hospital bill
(Edit: Also, I'm not a lawyer, but the email feels sus to me and if I were to sue I would ask if this could be considered evidence of a rushed cover up)
Reminds me that I messaged them when they first introduced their almond milk asking about where their almonds are grown. They then said that their farm locations are some sort of secret or whatever, which I found really weird and kinda concerning.
Try hemp milk. Better for the planet as hemp plants use way less water and tastes better too.
@@FukaiKokoro been looking into this, currently drinking and using oat milk. Any brand recommendations? Also have you used it for baking/cooking? What was it like?
@@FukaiKokoro oh, I never wanted it, I was just curious because I think they had some green washing in their brand, which is why I was curious.
No one wants to reveal that their food ingredients are sourced from CHINA.
Buy almond milk or any food or drinks from a big chain store in your local city. At least you have recourse to sue them big time especially if they are a big long established company. Even buying food from your local Walmart would be safer (always keep your receipts) I buy refrigerated Almond milk (VANILLA flavor) from the local Walmart, they are incredibly affordable and tasty (IMHO reminds me of melted vanilla ice cream shake) extremely yummy with breakfast cereal and added to coffee or hot cocoa. Go to either of your local Safeway or Target if you are anti Walmart and want to pay more $$$. At least there are positive recourse (always save your receipts) for the customer buying local in person from one of the big chain stores.
Saw yesterday people have already lost organs because of this. Bunch of people had their gallbladders removed. I’ve never heard of that coming from a food that wasn’t cooked enough. So ya daily harvest got a lot of explaining to do
It’s important to remember that most companies don’t have the consumers best interest in mind. They’re companies looking to profit first and foremost. Without all the regulations in place from the FDA and other authorities they wouldn’t be doing half of the checks and testing that they legally have to. There’s a page on the FDA’s website that lists some “ingredients” and products they’ve had to recall or stop from reaching the consumer. Its pretty worrying what some companies tried to slip in the food supply for money. Its still worth a look if anyones curious
Do you have a link to that page by chance? I'm sure it would be helpful to both myself and others
Its kind of sad too because they are limited by what is able to pass in congress so I don’t really think this grey area DH (and other similar companies) are in are going to be more regulated anytime soon
Yep, it's a good time to remember that companies look for their bottom dollar first and foremost.
I used to do quality control at a chicken plant, and let me tell you, you *HAVE* to be on people's ass to follow proper sanitation practices in mass food production plants. And, some supervisors and managers will try to cut corners in order to move product faster, since they get all kinds of incentives for their yield to be high. It's ridiculous to think, but it's true. And holy crap is it disturbing just *how much* really nasty bacteria can get into food if sanitation takes a backseat. I honestly wouldn't doubt if it was some kind of sanitation issue, but that's just my thoughts.
Edit: while I was typing this, I got a Daily Harvest ad. Wow
Hard to care about it when people treat you like shot for your job all the time. People look down on those type of jobs until it affects them.
We have a real class problem in this country
Sometimes, I honestly wonder if the people working as managers in those plants either are that stupid for not realising how dangerous contamination of any sort is, or are so well aware that they refuse to buy the stuff they know went through their plant or an affiliate site of theirs...
It's sort of the opposite of manufacturers of disgusting gluten-free stuff obviously never having eaten their own product because they'd probably pull it off the market just because of how exceptionally bad it tastes.
I wasn’t affected by this, but I commented on some of their posts and my comments were deleted. Even after they claimed they weren’t deleting comments. Daily Harvest is absolutely not handling this okay. Also, if you still have any of the product, don’t throw it out! Contact the FDA and they will probably have you send it to them for their testing. There are also some class action suits that are having third party labs test the products too.
based on how easy it is to actually cook and work with lentils I'm turning g my eye to the mushrooms, there is a crazy amount that can go wrong with both farming and/or foraging. I grew up ear a mushroom factory and they have to be careful with air circulation just incase contaminat spores come in
Numero uno, don’t accept a “refund” from any company in a situation like this. You’re potentially screwing yourself out of the option of suing them because they can (and most likely will) construe it as you already having accepted compensation.
As to whether or not it destroys the brand, never underestimate the foolishness of some consumers. They seem to have short memories these days. In particularly I’m remembering when Blue Bell Ice Cream had to conduct a recall of products contaminated with listeria (3 people actually died) and everyone was up in arms about it. Less than a month later just about all I was seeing on social media were people bemoaning the fact that they couldn’t get their favorite ice cream and anxiously awaiting it’s return to store shelves.
Honestly I just expect anything advertised to me online as “edible” is probably going to be lethal
My family orders seafood online and it shows up on our doorstep 🤨 it comes on dry ice but still, I won’t eat it
@@caitlin8274 yeahhh hard no from me. Fish and meat in general are two things I wouldn’t buy without seeing it IRL for myself. Way too easy to be mishandled otherwise
I agree. Particularly if it's delivered to your doorstep in a cardboard box.
Including things like edible glitter and "food safe gold"
I work for a large food company and this is absolutely NOT the standard for how to recall a product. we have drs and food specialists reading complaints (which we actively collect!!) to detect issues that made it out of the facility. Once an issue is found, then we voluntarily recall and scream it from the rooftops. It gets a little bad press but it’s always better to have 10 people sick with a lot of press than 1000s with less initial press. Normal/established food companies are quick to recall and know that a recall doesn’t make you liable but it can save lives.
Elevated liver enzymes always indicate liver *damage* . Now it can be “temporary” if your liver heals, but it can more easily be permanent. The excuse they’re using is odd…I believe whatever cooking method they marketed the product for was not sufficient- lentils require heavy *boiling* in water to be safe to consume, not just being thrown in a pan or oven. I think at the factory they either threw the lentils into the crumbles raw, or cooked them insufficiently first.
Different types of lentils have different levels of lectins, and if they used certain Indian types (black lentils, etc) there is an even more thorough boiling process required for those. Anyway, at the end of the day I believe this is all from lectin, an anti-nutrient. That is the protein that causes extreme gastrointestinal distress and in severe cases, permanent liver damage, among other issues. Another type of lectin is the infamous poison called “ricin” (like from Breaking Bad). It basically disrupts *all* enzymatic processes in your body, so it affects all the systems that use enzymes, I think.
Makes sense but the mushrooms could also be the cause. I know mushrooms can cause gastrointestinal issues and liver issues.
Nurse here. Elevated liver levels usually means liver damage. It is quite concerning
I think some poisonous mushrooms contaminated their mushrooms. Elevated liver enzymes and severe stomache pain is a common symptom of the death cap mushroom for example.
My mom wanted to try DH for their smoothies and such a few weeks ago. I saw a review of their products before and was like "No let's not get them. They're not good, probably a scam." Now with this I'm so glad that she didn't get it, I'm going to let her know about this issue, I know she'll talk to her friends about it and they might know someone who knows someone who bought DH before so they can avoid it.
Yikes, they should’ve done a mandatory recall immediately, email everyone, pin it on social media, put out ads if you need, etc. If the product is that volatile/unstable, that’s ridiculous. They shouldn’t shift the blame to consumers.
I lost my sister to liver failure in 2018. While hers was from alcohol, I cannot stress enough how important it is to take care of your liver. I hope and pray that every person who has possibly been subjected to liver damage from these products are okay in the long run because _my god._
This undermines the public trust in food safety, so it makes sense you’re this heated. This is a huge issue if nothing happens to make it better
i used daily harvest on and off for three years. the only reason i stopped is because i needed to save money. but i loved it because i have a hard time cooking for myself and it was great for bringing to work. i really enjoyed their bowls and soups. it was honestly some of the best food i've ever had. i actually recent considered getting their stuff again just to make my summer a bit easier. they're products were a major part in helping me lose weight. but after this situation i will never get their products again. this is very scary and disappointing.
I generally don't like to encourage a litigious culture but I sincerely hope a class action lawsuit is filed against them. Not only are these people physically and emotionally traumatized, they now likely have thousands in medical bills.
Okay, not going to lie I am actually shocked. I mean things are always shitty and it’s sadly not surprising, but reading the comments regarding this and people experience is AWFUL. The fact that they say “no other products are contaminated” when they do not know what caused it is so irresponsible. People were talking about how they’ve been giving this to their children and some have been hospitalized. It’s so damn sad
Oh wow! That's scary cuz of how many channels showed it on their channels so not only are the TH-camrs at risk but everyone who bought it because of the TH-camrs!
You want a good example of a recall? Check out the Takata airbags situation. TH-cam, newspapers, tv, radio, millions spent to get the message to everyone. My dad got a call from the mechanic about it and he called the second hand dealership he bought the car from to check.
More recently you can also look at Jif. Recalled before the issue was even reported
I just checked on their website and it‘s still unclear to me, are these lentils in the packages already pre-cooked? Because if not, their recommended cooking time in a pan is way too short. There is no way they would be thoroughly cooked and safe to eat. Also, even if the problems are caused by consumer error, the way they are handling this seems so untrustworthy. The whole product and brand seem irresponsible to me.
This is insane! I'm vegan and I eat a lot of lentils and a lot of leek, sometimes in combination, and I never ever ever had any issues after consumption. Even if the lentils weren't entirely done and maybe a little undercooked. Never used daily harvest though. What the hell was in these things? And mind, my stomach is very sensitive. If I accidentally put something in my mouth that is a little gone off, not even swallow it and immediately spit it out, I'll have intense pain and well...uhh...ugly toilet stuff happening for a few hours. I think this is a problem on daily harvests side of things, whatever it is.
Idk IMO it’s probably the mushrooms.
On r/dailyharvestrecall people are wondering if it's B.Cereus or aflatoxin. B.Cereus can be caused by poor food handling on the part of the producer, meaning that if that was the issue tests could still be negative on product tested straight from the factory.
im not vegan but im autistic and lentils have been one of my samefoods for YEARS! never had any issues.
@@nicolescats2 B. Cereus can fuck you up real bad, man. D:
they have come out and said it's tara flour. it turns out that product has been in the US market for only a year, has not been fda tested and approved, and actually little is known about it. it's popular in some south american countries, but they prepare it in different forms, and are also used to it.
Yeeeep, so "fun" story: I'd been curious about daily harvest for a while, so just like a week ago or so, I made an order for a one-time box. This was after the recall, so I saw the notice about the one item being recalled and everything, but based on the notice they had on their website it didn't seem like much to be concerned about with the other items, so I figured I was safe to go ahead.
So a few days later I get the box, lug it up the stairs, and figured I'd do a little more research before I eat anything just to see what's up with the the recall situation. Lo and behold, people are also experiencing crazy life-threatening symptoms from other items too!
But the REAL kicker was that when I used their chat to inquire about what they were doing to look into cross contamination and the complaints around other items? This was their response: "The issue we are investigating is specific to French Lentil + Leek Crumbles. Nothing matters more than the health and safety of our customers and we deeply value the trust you put in us and our food every day." So not only are they still allowing people to order expensive food that could literally be poisoned, but when *directly asked about it* , they're essentially assuring people all other food items are completely safe :|| I TOLD them that there are many, many people online reporting illness from other items, and they still tried to tell me they're taking things soooo seriously and that everything I ordered is absolutely confirmed safe! It CAN'T BE confirmed safe, you don't know what the issue is yet, and you should be shutting down the entire production until you figure it out, period!! The fact that they would straight up lie about this and continue selling potentially poisoned food is just unreal.
And it's a bummer that they're so dangerous, because honestly, the food looked really tasty and I'd been excited to try it! But nope. Never. Thankfully I was able to dispute the charge through my credit card company and got a refund, because DH sure wasn't going to offer it from their end.
This is terrifying! As someone who is already dealing with stomach pain and digestion problems with no answers yet, I can’t say for sure that I would have gone to the hospital if I had eaten these lentils and started experiencing what other people are describing! And what would have happened then? Also, I can’t imagine the medical bills these people are having to pay now😭
Right?? Like I have IBS, I also love lentils? I know some people with ibs have issues with them but I never have- if I could have afforded it I would have bought them and I definitely wouldn’t have gone to the hospital until I was unable to move/in so much pain I was screaming, and had to be taken in by someone. The meds I take for my IBS pain would have worsened any liver issue and I totally would have taken them before even thinking of going to the doctor.
have you gotten looked at for endometriosis? had the same issue, and endo can present with mainly gastro issues, sometimes even exclusively!
I’m in the process of getting my masters in project management, and this is a prime example of stakeholder engagement in a crisis gone horribly.
Yes! I've taken a crisis communications course and have built (and unfortunately also implemented) a crisis communications plan for my organization, and while I'm pretty new at this, I'm still fully cringing at how they're handling the situation. It feels like they have no one there at the helm who knows how to manage stakeholder relations, and that's wild considering they're (supposedly) a legitimate company. Should be a case study in what not to do 😬
Wow you talking about this is the first time I hear about this issue. You are really fast! Thank you for bringing this to the attention of many of us!
I could kinda imagine people not thinking to heat the lentils all the way to 165 degrees because vegetables are rarely need to be cooked that hot, but if the product can get people this sick, than educating customers on how to safely cook it needs to be included loud and clear in every single piece of marketing.
Or they need to change the method of cooking. Ik DH is all about fast food and how it can be done in a microwave but microwaves can vary GREATLY in power. Mine is so old it takes nearly 3 times as long to heat things often times. So if theyre insisting thats the issue maybe it needs to be stovetop only
From what I’ve seen of their packaging, it tends to be very minimalist and “aesthetic”, so I wouldn’t be shocked if the cooking instructions were insufficient. Like if this many people are undercooking food that’s still the company’s fault.
THIS IS HOW TO USE ONE'S PLATFORM 💜✊
Back in April/May I was having one of their cold brew cacao smoothies almost every morning for breakfast. After a couple weeks I started having intense stomach pains, I just thought they were bad gas pains cause nothing else was happening. There were several ingredients in the smoothie that could cause gastrointestinal discomfort so I figured I was just sensitive. I stopped drinking them and after a few days the pain went away and I’ve been fine since then. No idea if it’s related, but I threw my remaining smoothies away cause it’s just not worth the risk for me.
Good update- today the US banned tara flour, the ingredient identified as the cause of all of this. Obviously this will not reverse the permanent damage people suffered from it, but at least it can no longer harm people in the future.
Does anyone hope "ChubbyEmu" could do a video on this? He'll have to wait until it's all over for one of the patients, but this issue sounds right up his alley. So many of the cases he covers revolve around a person eating some kind of food, having pains, then going to the hospital, where the doctors perform a bunch of tests trying to figure out WTF is going on inside their body...and so many of those cases also involve something wrong with the liver!
I can see the title already..."Person eats [meal subscription] lentils, this is what happened to their liver."
It also sounds like a perfect opportunity for him to warn the public about the dangers of this kind of thing. A lesson often included in his other videos.
If one of the victims of this nightmare could even collaborate with him behind the scenes, checking his info, that would be amazing. Although, he really just needs to determine exactly what happened inside all of these people after they ate such an innocent seeming food...
This is just such a nightmare, and I feel horrible for everyone already damaged by Daily Harvest. I see a class action lawsuit coming, as their medical bills start to pile up, with no one else to pay them...🤔
most of the cases on his channel are reviewed by himself or his colleagues, so it’s unlikely unless it’s a widespread problem (it very well could be) like covid or dangerous online challenges. i still think that this is definitely up chubbyemu’s alley though and would love to see a video of his and an interview on heme review.
I thought of chubbyemu too lol although time will tell if it's widespread enough for him/his colleagues to get one of these cases. Hopefully not, even if it would make an interesting video. I heard about this debacle some time last week I think (just from browsing online, I don't order from services like this), so it's good to see people like Swell putting out videos.
This would be great, but it might be too much of a legal risk for him to take.
@@haveagoodday7021 I agree, there's definitely a legal risk - and he'll have to be careful.
What's funny: That's actually exactly why I chose to leave out the name "Daily Harvest" in the example title I included in my comment, replacing it with [meal subscription service] instead (because I'm honestly not sure what descriptive phrase is best lol).
If he (hopefully) does a video, but I do predict he will avoid directly naming and shaming "Daily Harvest."
- This is my genuine agreement and I'm only pointing out the example video title I included in my overly long comment to clarify for other readers of this thread. I can't tell if this comment might come off rude or passive aggressive, I did my best, but I'm putting this note here just in case because I realize it could read like I think we are in an argument or something (versus simply adding to the conversation in the thread, which is my only intention).
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 No I'm not trying to argue at all
any issues to do with the liver are almost always serious and can even get life threatening. it's unbelievable that a company will try to brush something so big under the rug. very telling about how much they value their customers.
Even if it’s customer error, *they’re still the ones who provided the products and instructions to the customers.* Like idk what excuse they could have for this but i don’t think any excuses are good excuses here after how they behaved.
Taking a look at their Twitter replies and it seems plastic in smoothies has been an ongoing issue. Honestly, that kind of leads me to think it's a foreign substance in the lentils causing this.
GI tracts are so so so important. About 3 years ago, I got food poisoning that turned into SIBOS. Within 2 months, I lost over 20 pounds, could barely function, was almost fainting in public, and lost so much weight that my blood pressure/heart rate was shit. My physicians told me if I had gone another month or two without finding the treatment that helped me, they thought I was on the brink of hospitalization or worse, like I was close to dying because my body was failing. I'm so lucky I did get medication that worked. It was so scary and I'm in a better place now (I gained all my weight back and then some during the pandemic. Gaining weight fixed my vitals). But, not knowing what was wrong with me for two months was the worst. I would cry out of pain I was experiencing and then cry because I knew I could do nothing. I also went to my university's student health services and I was told I was experiencing anxiety because I had a past with anxiety. Being told by professionals and those around me that it was probably just in my head was the most frustrating thing. I empathize with the people who were so scared and did not know what was going on. I'm glad they (kinda) know. I say kinda because I do not think they have a clear cut solution to their GI problem, which sucks. Wishing all of the people affected the best, and Daily Harvest, please stop serving me ads and use that money to help the people affected.
Lentils are known to store arsenic if it’s in the soil or area around, so sounds like daily harvest has bad sourcing for they’re lentils and now people are paying the price. Disgusting
Interesting to me that so many people I've seen online are jumping to the lentils as the issue. First thing that came to me was the mushrooms got mixed up or something. Some poisonous mushrooms damage your kidneys and liver, and have a delayed onset like people were experiencing.
@@Feralbyrd you know what, you’re right idk why I didn’t think of that. That’s also a possibility
@@kianna270 I'm far from an expert, but I think some amanitas also cause symptoms, then seem to go away, and then come back after a few days. Most of those are pretty deadly as well though, but perhaps in a small enough dose...
@@yeshummingbird "darling" really?
ive seen this product all over youtube a year ago, wild that its causing a ton of medical problems
I can't say I'm surprised, I could definitely see more of this happening with other companies. "Dispose" the food, nooooo, if anyone else experiences any negative symptoms of any product they buy, they should NOT throw the product away, always keep it and don't use it, it may come in handy in regards to evidence some day.
I would say that even if it is “customer error” that’s daily harvests fault because SO MANY people are misunderstanding how to use it.
This whole thing reminds me of the 2009 peanut recall. My home state is Virginia and while we are known for our ham, we do have some of the best peanuts (how you measure that, I have no idea). When a batch of peanuts were contaminated, the manufacturer of peanuts and peanut products said nothing. They did nothing because that would mean throwing out a lot of product. People got terribly sick and a few people died, and it was one of the first criminal convictions for a food contamination crime in Virginia. Daily Harvest, and any food manufacturer, has a duty to test their food and discard unsafe product. Yet, I truly believe they do not care about testing their food because it would interfere with their "clean food" brand. This is incredibly dangerous and I hope no one loses their life from this negligence.
This is awful! How terrifying, I really hope the damage is not permanent and that everyone can recover. Thank you for the coverage of this situation.
I'd be interested to see you talking about the recent Starbucks listeria issue- I'm a barista and we recently dropped a chicken maple breakfast sandwich that apparently had bones and gristle in them and gave a lot of people listeria, and I haven't seen anyone really talk about it other than other baristas on r/starbucksbaristas, and youre very good at reporting on this kind of thing.
I had not heard of this situation before this video. Thank you Amanda for spreading awareness of this. I had been thinking about Daily Harvest due to their ads, however like most others I do not trust this company at all. What a horrible way of handling this situation. Again, Thank you Amanda for this incredibly informative video!
Hey there, as a woman that was diagnosed with Crohn's Disease as a minor, this hits home. Hard. They never knew what was wrong, I've had a multitude of invasive procedures for diagnositic and checkup reasons, not to mention 5 hospitalizations.
You made an excellent point about trauma surrounding illness with the pandemic - it's *very* real.
(For clarification: Crohn's Disease is an autoimmune disease characterized by either constipation or diarrhea, nausea and vomiting, and extreme abdominal pain. It also causes malnutrition due to absorption issues in a flare state. I am currently facing the potential of a surgery, a scary thought. It's not technically imminent, but the thought is overwhelming enough.)
Please, PLEASE stay safe everyone.
When people who consumed this product had to have their gallbladders removed, and the company tries to minimize their outreach to the public as a reaction, you know they truly fucked up.
Best case scenario, a class action lawsuit. Worst case scenario, a wrongful death lawsuit.
isn't the $10 coupon thing a loophole that if the consumer accepts it, they can't sue for more because that is a settlement of some sort?
When I read about the DH problems on the reddit threads, my first thought was "Amanda HAS to make a video about this!"
Definitely looking forward to this one
I tried out Daily Harvest back in May. Didn't even get the lentil crumbles themselves, but I also can't figure out if any of the individual products I ate had them as ingredients because they've removed my order history. I can't even SEE what I got in the past to check the ingredients lists. Like, this smells like a massive coverup.
I took a blood test three weeks ago and had slightly elevated liver enzyme levels, which makes me suspect that the lentil crumbles might not be the only product of theirs that got contaminated.
I've also seen complaints about people getting sick from products that don't contain lentils at all, like the artichoke tahini bake dish.
Admitting guilt is usually better than implied guilt these days bc people online will run away with the story until and even after a statement is finally made. Great video Amanda!
So, for an idea of how bad of pain these people have been put through, I recently had to have my gallbladder removed, spurred on by my last pregnancy.
Ive had kidney stones. which i described as someone stabbing you in the back with a knife and twisting it.
Ive given birth.
I have endometriosis and have had periods that left me bed ridden, and unable to walk or stand.
I have had ovarian cysts so big and bad that they were mistaken for appendicitis because they left me with rebound pain and other similar symptoms.
My colic episodes, i was in and out of the hospital, had to be given very powerful pain meds, the pain was so bad i couldnt breath, and i would describe it as it feeling as if my stomach was pumped with air and was about to explode.
it is definitely in the top 3 of the worst pain ive ever experienced in my entire life.
this is so dangerous to the victims liver function, not to mention horrifyingly painful. its torture. and i hope this doesnt permenantly damage their liver and gallpbladders
I find it hard to believe that eating undercooked lentils could cause liver problems. I wonder if they got contaminated with some kind of toxic chemical that the doctors aren't thinking to check people for. Why is no one checking the actual food?
I use hello fresh and I love it but seeing comments saying regulations aren’t strict for food subscription services… is concerning
Same. Husband and I just started two weeks ago. We were addicted to the convenience of dooordash and scared of cooking. HF has been such a wonderful experience and I have so much more confidence as a home cook now! And the food is delicious! We are big fans! But man all of this has me really on edge!
Sorry to add a negative point on what seems to be an otherwise positive experience, but HF has recently been in the news for treating their employees horribly and bullying them for wanting to unionize.
@@elucified omg I had no idea, that’s terrible. I’ll most likely cancel my subscription soon I just need to rework grocery shopping into my busy schedule.
@@REALLYGIOVANNA Are you able to get groceries to your door step?
Since you have HF where you live, I mean 🤔
@@Mary1337 I could use another service for actual groceries, but I liked the idea of only needed 2 tomatoes for a recipe instead of buying 6 and wasting the other 4 bc they went bad in the fridge. But I’ll just have to collect recipes on Sunday to buy exactly what I need for the week to get groceries
I'm just learning about this a year and a half later, and I'm truly terrified and disgusted. Most dangerous things on the internet you can avoid through common sense, but this is not at all the fault of the consumer. I could totally see myself falling victim to something like this. I hope Daily Harvest no longer exists. If they still do, I'll never buy from them.
I am a (soon to be former) customer of Daily Harvest and lucky did not get sick... yet. I paused my order but is uncomfortable with resuming it. I have not hear any updates confirming that they have resolved the situation. I am possibly going to abandon them for the sake of my health and well being. My younger sister wanted to try them. I had to tell her to reconsider.