These swarms of defense drones can't get through your main shields, but they destroy all of your components until you end up as a brick in space. An Asgard alone can eventually survive this if you deploy lots of laser towers, especially MK2 work quite well against those small bugs. Eventually also mines would do the job, but I have not tested that yet.
Yes, I've heard that deploying laser towers can help distract the fighters, but I don't know if they would distract them enough for the Asgard to go to travel drive or protect the engines.
@@ragnos28 actually 40 mk1 & 20 mk2 lasertowers would clean all S sized xenon ships, and your Asgard turrets easily would kill remaining P i prefer Asgard with Plasma and Flak, and in oos mode in 4.2 it never has any module damage, after all cleaned most lasertowers could be collected back, i hope you used mk3 shields?
@@dmk_5736 All shields are on high preset, so yes mk3. This is the test with laser towers, the Asgard still dies: th-cam.com/video/jYJUw9uavzg/w-d-xo.html Plasma and flak are the most effective turrets types, but I like to challenge myself and use race specific tech as much as posible, so terran tech for terran ships. I also avoid OOS as much as I can because I did not spend 1.500 $ on a rig capable to play X4 to watch green dots fighting red dots :D
@@ragnos28 Asgard was never covered with 20 lasertowers, you did leave area and they die before critical density was there (and they do die mostly from P)
@@dmk_5736 I was under the impresion that if I stay still, the laser towers launch will hamper my movement and fire at me as well. Ok, I will do another test, where the Asgard will stay still and launch 75 mk2 laser towers. But if the Asgard will blow up again, I will send you the bill :))
After swapping from a Plasma/Flak Asgard to a full Beam Asgard, using the tapping method, I've been able to solo all the Xenon areas I've encountered so far in vanilla, so long as I take care to not get into a death spiral bug situation (Plasma/Flak worked too and was better if I got carelessly close to Xenon cap ships, but S/M Xenon took too long to take out due to Flak's short max range and inaccuracy). I just started a new game with the VRO mod, and I'm sorta scared to find out the nerf that the Asgard likely got, even if much deserved.
I was doing the same thing, until I got to the sector from the clip. 🤭 Most players tend to be scared when their good ol' "Asgard smash" tactic no longer work, see the VIG destroy a station mission from ToA, I can imagine the surprise on players faces when just a few fighters with torpedoes send them flying in space with their chair. 😅 Looking forward to your VRO impressions, as I will be in team vanilla for a while, well at least until this: www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/1240 is updated on steam workshop. 😁
@@ragnos28 it's going well so far; with the balance changes there isn't nearly as much cheese opportunity as in vanilla. I've sided primarily with the Terrans for a semi-safe harbor now that my HQ is in Saturn, as the Xenon seem much more ruthless (end running into the 'U' (a Xenon carrier with a "station/capital ship killer" front beam that is the Xenon answer to the vanilla Asgard ATF Battery) the first time gave a feeling of terror!); right now there are over 100 Xenon spilling into Hatikvah's Choice I, including a U, an I, and a K.
i see this a lot but why not just set your turrets to attack all? if you are after a single target sure but that is more for cap ships and stations, in a swarm you will get more turrets firing with attack all. also light shows work pretty good as they dont miss much even if there is only a little damage.
Because turrets don't have a target priority system, M vs S ships. The only way for the L turrets to be effective (especially, with terran tech) is to focus them on one target, Ps for example, that are the real threat for the turrets and engines. With an atack all setting, the L turres wil happily waste their dps on some Xenon N, while 5 Ps are parked above me, and doing so with just on L turret. So, what I lose in dps with atack my target, I gain by manually focusing the P's, the real threat.
My favorite combo is 50% beam + 50% bolt, best of both worlds. 🤓 Also, I don't remembert how this clip ends, is an old one you know...did the xenon manage to do anything against the Asgard? 🤔
Кстати в этой игре есть противоречие. Если уничтожают двигатель, то корабль теряет возможность двигаться, в том числе по сторонам, что не логично т.к тут есть отдельно боковые двигатели, ХП которых нигде не прописано и они явно не должны зависеть от основного двигателя.
Баланс кораблей очень сильно изменили в X4 по сравнению с X3. В этой игре истребители, для личного пользования не нужны, они медленнее, чем M класс. В самом M классе тоже бардак, корвет и фрегат отличаются только наличием посадочной площадки у фрегатов, по огневой мощи и щитам они идентичны. В X3 фрегаты были намного сильнее корветов. Эсминцы в X4 тоже лишь тень былого величия эсминцев в X3.
Hmm...the problem is that L turrets are only effective if I focus them on one target, with atack all enemies they would fire all over the place, with limited effect (you've seen the number of misses, even with all of them focus on one target)
These swarms of defense drones can't get through your main shields, but they destroy all of your components until you end up as a brick in space.
An Asgard alone can eventually survive this if you deploy lots of laser towers, especially MK2 work quite well against those small bugs.
Eventually also mines would do the job, but I have not tested that yet.
Yes, I've heard that deploying laser towers can help distract the fighters, but I don't know if they would distract them enough for the Asgard to go to travel drive or protect the engines.
@@ragnos28 actually 40 mk1 & 20 mk2 lasertowers would clean all S sized xenon ships, and your Asgard turrets easily would kill remaining P
i prefer Asgard with Plasma and Flak, and in oos mode in 4.2 it never has any module damage,
after all cleaned most lasertowers could be collected back,
i hope you used mk3 shields?
@@dmk_5736 All shields are on high preset, so yes mk3.
This is the test with laser towers, the Asgard still dies: th-cam.com/video/jYJUw9uavzg/w-d-xo.html
Plasma and flak are the most effective turrets types, but I like to challenge myself and use race specific tech as much as posible, so terran tech for terran ships. I also avoid OOS as much as I can because I did not spend 1.500 $ on a rig capable to play X4 to watch green dots fighting red dots :D
@@ragnos28 Asgard was never covered with 20 lasertowers, you did leave area and they die before critical density was there (and they do die mostly from P)
@@dmk_5736 I was under the impresion that if I stay still, the laser towers launch will hamper my movement and fire at me as well.
Ok, I will do another test, where the Asgard will stay still and launch 75 mk2 laser towers. But if the Asgard will blow up again, I will send you the bill :))
I use Flak for M turrets in my Asgard and mod all my turrets shields. Seems to be better at dealing with swarms.
Pro tip, add a Jian to the M docking bay of the Asgard, 6 more topside medium turrets...
After swapping from a Plasma/Flak Asgard to a full Beam Asgard, using the tapping method, I've been able to solo all the Xenon areas I've encountered so far in vanilla, so long as I take care to not get into a death spiral bug situation (Plasma/Flak worked too and was better if I got carelessly close to Xenon cap ships, but S/M Xenon took too long to take out due to Flak's short max range and inaccuracy). I just started a new game with the VRO mod, and I'm sorta scared to find out the nerf that the Asgard likely got, even if much deserved.
I was doing the same thing, until I got to the sector from the clip. 🤭
Most players tend to be scared when their good ol' "Asgard smash" tactic no longer work, see the VIG destroy a station mission from ToA, I can imagine the surprise on players faces when just a few fighters with torpedoes send them flying in space with their chair. 😅
Looking forward to your VRO impressions, as I will be in team vanilla for a while, well at least until this: www.nexusmods.com/x4foundations/mods/1240 is updated on steam workshop. 😁
@@ragnos28 it's going well so far; with the balance changes there isn't nearly as much cheese opportunity as in vanilla. I've sided primarily with the Terrans for a semi-safe harbor now that my HQ is in Saturn, as the Xenon seem much more ruthless (end running into the 'U' (a Xenon carrier with a "station/capital ship killer" front beam that is the Xenon answer to the vanilla Asgard ATF Battery) the first time gave a feeling of terror!); right now there are over 100 Xenon spilling into Hatikvah's Choice I, including a U, an I, and a K.
@@magicwordxyzzy Sounds good so far. 🤓
What the hell was that when Xenon XL ship was destroyed with one shot?
Just the XL battery of the Asgard, the most absurdly OP ship, not only in gaming but also sci-fi.🧐
i see this a lot but why not just set your turrets to attack all? if you are after a single target sure but that is more for cap ships and stations, in a swarm you will get more turrets firing with attack all.
also light shows work pretty good as they dont miss much even if there is only a little damage.
Because turrets don't have a target priority system, M vs S ships. The only way for the L turrets to be effective (especially, with terran tech) is to focus them on one target, Ps for example, that are the real threat for the turrets and engines. With an atack all setting, the L turres wil happily waste their dps on some Xenon N, while 5 Ps are parked above me, and doing so with just on L turret.
So, what I lose in dps with atack my target, I gain by manually focusing the P's, the real threat.
Go all lasers 😎 although damage is meh, but they always hit :))
My favorite combo is 50% beam + 50% bolt, best of both worlds. 🤓
Also, I don't remembert how this clip ends, is an old one you know...did the xenon manage to do anything against the Asgard? 🤔
Кстати в этой игре есть противоречие. Если уничтожают двигатель, то корабль теряет возможность двигаться, в том числе по сторонам, что не логично т.к тут есть отдельно боковые двигатели, ХП которых нигде не прописано и они явно не должны зависеть от основного двигателя.
Exactly.
Баланс кораблей очень сильно изменили в X4 по сравнению с X3. В этой игре истребители, для личного пользования не нужны, они медленнее, чем M класс. В самом M классе тоже бардак, корвет и фрегат отличаются только наличием посадочной площадки у фрегатов, по огневой мощи и щитам они идентичны. В X3 фрегаты были намного сильнее корветов. Эсминцы в X4 тоже лишь тень былого величия эсминцев в X3.
спасти двигатель может помочь если во время атаки вражеского роя, двигаться задним ходом
Maybe try using Attack all Enemies instead of my Target
Hmm...the problem is that L turrets are only effective if I focus them on one target, with atack all enemies they would fire all over the place, with limited effect (you've seen the number of misses, even with all of them focus on one target)
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totally op and unbalanced
Only really large swarms of fighters or fighters launching torpedoes, can bring it down.
Or many k’s and I’s bum rushing you. Experienced this recently 😅.