I'm studying psychology but more on the experimental side. I can't imagine wanting to spend life counselling people...I find people so stubbornly stupid, I'd have end them or me. You have more courage and patience than I have.
Lol, you're right, I'm actually too tolerant which is the same as saying I'm burned-out...hence, while people dream of travel and parties, I dream of a cave on a deserted island and a bunch of books. Lol.
Hi EMC2Scotia - I think you raise a really great point in bringing attention to the idea of constitutive rhetoric. My understanding is that this idea stems from Ancient Greek Philosophy that looked at the way we build, through shared dialogue, a collective or shared identification with knowledge of self, others and the world around us. So it talks on the idea that our personal beliefs are shaped and formed from within the context of a shared dialogue or narrative. Constitutive rhetoric can encourage identification with both healthy and unhealthy concepts of self, others and the world. E.g., cults and gangs are a typical down side of constitutive rhetoric. An example of opposing constitutive constructs is seen in Australia with the ongoing 'underbelly' of divide between indigenous culture and white settlement. In this example the collective identity constructed in the shared dialogue of 'what it means to be Australian' has resulted in at least two very clear and opposing ideas felt and stories told. With Australia Day coming up soon - on 26th January 2017 - indigenous culture will morn on this day speaking of 'Invasion Day' while white culture celebrates the day speaking of being 'the lucky country'. The status quo of family dynamics can be explained from this context too; as being a consequence of the patriarchal/matriarchal ownership and enforcement of the collective identity of the family - enforced by constitutive rhetoric of the parents/caregivers to the child. In terms of the more personal process of counselling I'd suggest that narrative therapy - as a formal psychotherapeutic approach - identifies and applies the underpinning philosophy of constitutive rhetoric whereby the narrative or story spoken and identified with in the therapeutic process, ends up becoming the reality through which the client views themselves, others and life more broadly. So it could be said that the communication between client and counsellor becomes a process of shaping a story or narrative the client comes to identify with which, over time is integrated in to the clients perception of self, others and the world. This reshaping of perception then impacts how the client feels and the behaviours they may choose to apply.
20mins into this presentation. Really helpful Dr Clive! Thank you.
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Brilliant and thorough video. Thank you for this
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This is a wonderful introduction to these skills and you have continued to discuss the skills throughout the lecture.
thank you for the clarity
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Dr Jones another wonderful presentation, thank you.
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Thank you Dr Clive Jones very easy to follow and understand, I just need to work on my recall
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I'm studying psychology but more on the experimental side. I can't imagine wanting to spend life counselling people...I find people so stubbornly stupid, I'd have end them or me. You have more courage and patience than I have.
Hi Total Control... I'm sure you're not that intolerant :)
Lol, you're right, I'm actually too tolerant which is the same as saying I'm burned-out...hence, while people dream of travel and parties, I dream of a cave on a deserted island and a bunch of books. Lol.
thankyou, really helpful for me
Thank you David
Speech as communication, or speech as constitutive of the subject. Can you talk a bit to this idea? Thank you big Other.
Hi EMC2Scotia - I think you raise a really great point in bringing attention to the idea of constitutive rhetoric. My understanding is that this idea stems from Ancient Greek Philosophy that looked at the way we build, through shared dialogue, a collective or shared identification with knowledge of self, others and the world around us.
So it talks on the idea that our personal beliefs are shaped and formed from within the context of a shared dialogue or narrative.
Constitutive rhetoric can encourage identification with both healthy and unhealthy concepts of self, others and the world. E.g., cults and gangs are a typical down side of constitutive rhetoric.
An example of opposing constitutive constructs is seen in Australia with the ongoing 'underbelly' of divide between indigenous culture and white settlement. In this example the collective identity constructed in the shared dialogue of 'what it means to be Australian' has resulted in at least two very clear and opposing ideas felt and stories told. With Australia Day coming up soon - on 26th January 2017 - indigenous culture will morn on this day speaking of 'Invasion Day' while white culture celebrates the day speaking of being 'the lucky country'.
The status quo of family dynamics can be explained from this context too; as being a consequence of the patriarchal/matriarchal ownership and enforcement of the collective identity of the family - enforced by constitutive rhetoric of the parents/caregivers to the child.
In terms of the more personal process of counselling I'd suggest that narrative therapy - as a formal psychotherapeutic approach - identifies and applies the underpinning philosophy of constitutive rhetoric whereby the narrative or story spoken and identified with in the therapeutic process, ends up becoming the reality through which the client views themselves, others and life more broadly.
So it could be said that the communication between client and counsellor becomes a process of shaping a story or narrative the client comes to identify with which, over time is integrated in to the clients perception of self, others and the world. This reshaping of perception then impacts how the client feels and the behaviours they may choose to apply.
a transcript would be great for non-neurotypical students.
Omg this cracked me up hahahhaa! was just thinking the same