26:15- Suraj nailed it 100%. A lesser show would not have gone to the lengths they did her to show just how much of a true badass the Naomi character is. And not by minimizing any other character. She stands on her own and that is one reason why this show and all it’s characters are amazing imo.
I got so annoyed with them playing her message over and over during the episode, but it was SO SATISFYING a pay off when she cut that message down. Didn't see it coming at all! Genius
Small detail that came back this episode. Drummer says in season 4 that she only drinks when she's angry. Which is why her drinking from the bottle is significant. It shows she's angry and looking for an outlet to release that anger (the drinking)
@@Aemond2024 Drummer wasnt there in book 5 ..in fact she wasnt even at all before .. in S5 she takes the role of other book character wich basically does this
Mikey makes a good point about Karal and Naomi, and how quickly love turns to hate. A change in perspective can feel like a betrayal when it pits us against the ones we love, and that betrayal cuts way deeper when it comes from someone close to us. Micky, I totally agree - Erich was PERFECTLY cast. In the books he's a skinny hacker who turned into a mob boss...and of course Mikey says what I was going to while I was typing this comment lol. He's always on point!
Drummer is going through the ringer in the season, Marco has killed her best friend Ashford, her mentor Fred and apparently the love of the life Naomi. I feel for you girl S4E8 Drummer "I only drink when I'm angry"
i dont know if it was the same in the TV series but in the book the Chetzemoka was burning at 2Gs .. wich shows that Naomi who was allready injured and weakened by her space walk was suffering twice as much as she did on Illus and stuff weighted a lot to her..
It's clear the "Earth response" is very reminiscent of the United States post 9/11. Going on a manhunt for the master mind and attacking a place that would welcome him (Afghanistan -> Pallas).
well attacking pallas makes sense...its a big trade hub and used by marco to restock his ships with supplies. i would not destroy it i would lay a blockade or siege around it.... that would force marco to use other resupply spots with lesser infrastructure to make that quick..or to attack the siege and try to break it free.... but so far i think earth fleetss are still close to earth because they fear more asteroid attacks
@@Fordo007 i renember clearly after 9/11 there was a lot of people arround demanding to nuke Afghanistan or Iraq (when at first some tought it had been Sadam) or Iran
I remember back when I had to beg The Normies to give The Expanse a try and that they'd love it if they just started watching it. Now here we are, they're super fans and it's one of their fav shows.
@@Thenormies Nah that wasn't me. If that was the deciding factor I should have. But since the first season aired I harped that it was great sci-fi, you'd all love it and you should react to it. Glad you started.
Why was Naomi counting before going in the unpressorized compartment? There is a limited amount of air in the pressurised compartment and whenever she was going to the unpressorised part the air was lost in that double door small room connecting the two parts. U can see Naomi reading the dimension of the room and doing a mental calculation on how many trips she can take back and forth before the air becomes too thin to breathe. So Naomi had only limited amount of trips, we can see her getting slower and getting worse after each trip because she wasn't getting the same amount air as before since, the air is continously being lost after each trip.
Who said Naomi should have fallen as soon as she got into the airlock? Zero g doesn't suddenly go away just because you are in a ship. Unless the ship is under thrust, in which case, she never would have made it inside anyway.
Yes, I wondered about this myself. In this episode, if there was no gravity, Naomi should not have been lying on the ground when she woke up after her hard vacuum exposure. Her vomit would have floated in the cabin instead of falling on the floor.
@@Grvthangification Yeah, but presumably the ship was under thrust by the beginning of this episode. She probably passed out in zero g, and woke up while the ship was under thrust.
@@RocketToTheMoose something like, letting the ship move away for a bit before powering up the thrust. I'll have to rewatch bit, I don't think the ship's drive is burning during that spacewalk scene.
Just discovered your reaction videos, and love 'em! Have any of you watched The Martian? I ask for two reasons: 1. Naomi's scenes in this episode reminded me of that movie in a lot of ways, and 2. The author of The Martian and the authors of The Expanse have agreed that the events of The Martian occurred in the history of The Expanse setting and Mark Watney is unofficially considered the first citizen of Mars. There's even a mention in one of the episodes of a ship named after him. Feel like you folks would get an extra kick out of it, knowing that.
Amos main arc of this book is more about the underlining animalistic survival instinct he has. Under the surface its there. Going back helped remind him of the kindness he was given. Now the situation has given him to give the same opertunitys to peaches.
The writers have done a few flashbacks during series - 1. Epstein Drive - the episode had a series of flashbacks related to the creator of the drive. 2. Fred Johnson's past - we learn about Anderson Station and why Fred Johnson gave up on the UN military in support of the belt. 3. Julie Mao/Lionel Polansky - story of how she Julie ended up on the Scapuli and eventually died at Eros station was also told in a series of flashbacks. 4. The story of the Nauvoo - when Miller was talking to one of the Mormon's about the Nauvoo, I believe there were both flashbacks and for-telling in that sequence. I can't remember if there were any others. But the series is not free of them. Thanks for sharing your comments, I am a huge fan too. Love the series. And yes, I agree, Naomi IS a badass. 😀
@@Cbricklyne I mean, those ships were Command fleet, probably there's more, if not classes and types, then numbers, but it's possible that that is all, but it's far from certain, and they should be more careful
My guess on Naomi's prognosis in the long run: - Godawful sunburn on the sun-wards sides of her face and hands will recover like normal awful sunburn, but it will give rise to a very large risk of future cancer. Not as high risk as Holden, but still bad. She'll probably eventually have to have one of those anti-cancer implants. - Godawful lung, throat, nose, ear and eye irritation: That's probably what's going to hurt so much in the short run, and it might take a long time for her to not be in pain without heavy anti-inflammatory drugs. - She might also have some lung and diaphragm damage, but I expect the future medicine of The Expanse can deal with that.
In S4E10 Ashford told us how to deal with it.. "Violence is indiscriminate, if you use it you will kill more than just you enemies, it will kill the ones you love... You enemy is not only themself but every who cares for him. Yes, show your strength but then show them a smile and most will give you what you want". So thank a "big ass war ship" to a belta station, Show them that they are target lock and begin negotiations on forming an alliance with mutual benefits.
One thing to understand is that the damage to Earth isn't *that* bad. It's large but localized damage. Earth as a biosphere could survive it just fine. This is not like killing off the dinosaurs. The problem is that *humanity* was fragile. Earth's socialist economy was barely holding on -- half of humanity was unemployed and kept alive by a complex system of production and services. The impacts themselves did not kill off that many people relative to the population as a whole, but they damaged the infrastructure and supply lines that people depended on. The shift in weather won't be that long, but it's causing crop failures that humanity cannot absorb. It's just like what Prax described in season 2 -- it's a cascade failure. Earth was hanging on with a complex global system of artificial support that could not handle the damage done to it. Unlike on Ganymede, nobody is gonna run out of air, but they *are* gonna run out of food, and even clothing (remember most people are wearing disposable paper clothing)
Come on guys I want to go to sleep it's 2:45 a.m. now I need to watch this. P.S . I love Rana 😉 I watched it all in Eastern Europe it's 3:40 a.m. Goodnight.
I believe that Marco is not over Naomi and it kills him to think that she would actually kill herself, than stay and ultimately come back to him. Because no matter what he said he had no intention of spacing her or letting her go. (After all this guy kept tabs on her where abouts and life away from him!) I think he also wanted to make sure of what happened, because he also knows what she is capable of so he needed to know she died and didn't find away to muck up his plans again. Another thought I have been having for the reason he has no tattoos, was so he could blend in with the inners while worked on a way to distroy them... amass wealth and contacts... If I recall he was a famous sling shooter in his youth, that's how he was able to plot the trajectory for the rocks to hit earth. But I digress... He really can not stand the fact that he can not have Naomi, she is his soft under belly...
@@mikek9297 On average space is about 2.7 kelvin. The thing is you barely loose any heat. You would die of oxygen deprivation long before the cold would get you.
4:21 it wasn't that she would have fell right away it's that she would have kept coasting into the wall and bouncing off the walls instead of stopping nicely in the middle to float.
Also I don't understand the comment of why Naomi would have fallen to the ground after getting into the ship... there was no gravity and it wasn't under thrust at that point.
@@DizRupTnz It wasn't under thrust. She never would have caught up with it if it was. The whole idea is that it was supposed to be simulated a damaged ship that has no functionality (including no thrust) - i.e. dead stick in space. If it was under the amount of thrust that could generate the kind of artificial 'g' that would be necessary to show Naomi falling onto the deck like they showed her falling as soon as she got in the airlock, she DEFINITELY would not have caught up with it with a simple jump.
@@DizRupTnz If it was under thrust she'd never have made it, it would have flown away from her. The Pella was using maneuvering thrusters to separate from the ship, but the main engines weren't firing.
from Ty Frank (@JamesSACorey on twitter) "We made a choice to present the destruction through the perspective of our character's reactions to it. In a post 9/11 world I find apocalypse porn increasingly unpleasant. Would it improve the show to see a crater surrounded by a collapsed city full of burning corpses?" "We see the rocks hit. We see the size of the impacts. We see our characters horror and sadness. I don't need to add a long pan shot of bodies and destroyed buildings to understand what's happening. There's plenty of disaster porn if that's what someone wants. It's just not me." twitter.com/JamesSACorey/status/1352010575966994433?s=20
It is also worth noting that Inaros said that the Belt would be producing their own food (on Ganymede) "within a decade," however, he is not (apparently) thinking that without Earth to provide food-stuffs the Belters are going to be facing starvation by then. Though Inaros is not planning to go hungry.
A stupid plan at the end of the day since the food produced on Ganymede depends on live soil from Earth. And Ganymede feeds not just the Bellters but also Earthers and Martians as well so in what universe would they (with their hundreds if not thousands of more ships than him in the Belt and the Jupiter and Saturn orbits) let him take control of one of the largest bread-baskets in the entire system?
@@Cbricklyne As I have commented before, I do not think that Inaros is even considering the reality of what he has done, and is just saying whatever he feels will keep the Belters supporting him on his side.
Most of the ultra rich vacation homes are empty right now because they're typically summer homes being in New Hampshire. It's clearly fall/winter currently so most of those houses would be empty right now.
In the show they talk about millions of victims, like it is in the single digits. But judging by what happened in Baltimore and New York and considering all the hundreds if Cities on the shores of the different oceans (not to mention the things Peaches and Amos encountered on the way) the casulties have to be way higher already, like in the hundreds of millions! It was still worse in the books, but so far they undersell the extent of the tragedy that clearly happened in the show.
spoilers... I suspect they are saving the reveal for just how bad it really is for the season finale, which isn't a bad idea in theory, but I think they should have done more to show the death count slowly rising each episode since then. Like in the first episode after the rocks hit they could have just said 'millions' but by now they should have ramped that up to '100s of millions', in time to reveal in the finale that scientists predict that half the population might die
they toned down the meteor size and impact energy release but even so Ty said the numbers are off on porpouse becuase the full extend and continuing colateral and derivated killing will take much time to fully compute.. so yes the death toll is probably in the hundreds of millions.. i think in the book was several billions
after-show video had a great detail: the scratches on the hull were Naomi keeping track of how much air she's venting when she opened the doors, 'cause she's only got a limited amount of that stuff.
Avasarala and the General sharing that look when the Secretary General punted it into the long grass screamed them thinking inaction is worse than a bad call, to me. They both had polar opposite answers, but they had answers. The Secretary General will not last.
This episode was like watching Miller on Eros. close shave after close shave and then the ultimate sacrifice Naimo "Mark Watneyed" (the Martian) the hell out of this. "At some point, everything's gonna go south on you... everything's going to go south and you're going to say, this is it. This is how I end. Now you can either accept that, or you can get to work. That's all it is. You just begin. You do the math. You solve one problem... and you solve the next one... and then the next. And If you solve enough problems, you get to come home."
[Book 3 Spoilers ahead] . . . Correction, Bull was in book 3, not book 2. Book 3 Behemoth's Senior Officers: Captain = Ashford XO = Michio Pa Chief of Engineering = Sam Chief of Security = Bull While in the show, they were Drummer, Ashford, Naomi, Diogo (probably, not really mentioned) respectively. So, Bull's story was mostly Drummer's in S3 (although not 100% similar). Book Ashford was rather one dimensional antagonist aka dickhead, while S3 Ashford was built rather grey and then he redeemed himself in S4.
They said in the show that they were looking for Inaros using the drive signatures that "Avasararal's sources" provided to Earth (the same ones that Bobbie provided to Holden), so they ARE in contact with Bobbie. Sldo, it was considered a "fair fight" if Earth and Mars got into a war, with Earth having more ships than all of Mars, but Martian ships being more advanced. Mars can't have given Inaros all their ships, so the calculus is the entire UNN Navy (but weakened because resupply of those ships will be harder versus some fraction of the former might of the Martian Navy now controlled by the Free Navy (but who also have limits on large scale;e repair and resupply of these shipsbecause Mars still has all the best engineers (who know how that advanced tech works) and many supplies, especially food, will be very limited in the Belt for a long time to come because Ganymede is gone and Earth isn't sending supplies. Who wins in that fight? I'm not sure, but for the moment you have to imagine the UN Navy didn't lose much when the asteroids hit and they've has a couple years to recover after the war with mars, so they are at full or near full strength until their supplies dwindle. Ediit: Also, technical issue: Whenever Mikey spoke, for the first started to speak, his volume was MANY decibels higher than the rest of you, then it went down. Maybe he was shouting to avoid you speaking over him, maybe his mic volume is set too high and then is auto leveling as he speaks, but it makes for a bad audio situation where I wanted to change the volume every time he spoke, but lowering it would make the rest of you inaudible.
No actually, that's what they got wrong in the show since she was shown to fall as soon as she got into the airlock of the float. They also royally screwed up big time showing her struggling to lift up that metal grate to get that tool from under the floor. Why would she struggle to get it out of the ground? The mass of it is meaningless in a Zero 'g' (or microgravity) environment and a non-thrust(ing) ship. A small woman could "lift" a 200 pound metal grate with just a little force since she's not fighting against (any) gravity). But I guess they just did it for dramatic purposes.
@@Cbricklyne It's not about weight it's the simple fact that she has burns all over her body specifically on the arms and face, which means that even touching a simple surface is hard because its painful as hell.
I don't like the way Okasa is getting cozy with Karal and not advising Drummer about their conversations. I'm afraid Okasa is going to betray Drummer for the same reason Cyn betrayed Naomi: "For the sake of the family." Drummer told Fred that she only drinks when she's angry. I'm not sure what Alex and Bobbie will make of Naomi's changed message. It would certainly reduce their urgency to rescue Naomi, but it might also reduce their sense of caution as they approach. She's going to have to do something more to keep them from making an immediate docking attempt. I think the Sec-Gen is really leaning toward Delgado's nuclear option. Both of them are feeling a need to spin up their male egos. Earth has turned into the kind of "simple complex" system as Ganymede was. Even before the rocks struck, Earth no longer had the depth of ecological variation that it once had, and was vulnerable to cascading environmental system failures.
The guy who was exposed to vacuum from NASA didn't die, and it wasn't in space. He was in a vacuum chamber and accidentally depressurized his pressure suit. It was an accident and he didn't die. He lost consciousness about 12-15 seconds afterward and regained it about 30 seconds in after his suit repressurized partially. Additionally, a guy who did a super high-altitude skydive (who had to wear a pressure suit due to the low pressure up there) lost pressurization on one of his hands, and developed a hand ebullism (essentially gas diffusing into the tissues after boiling out of blood etc) very similar to Naomi's in this episode. It swelled up and was very painful, but recovered with no lasting damage after a couple hours.
Some book spoilers for people reading the comments, so warning here: . . . It's kind of interesting that Drummer is sort of a mix of Sam, Pa, Bull and the actual Drummer character. But then when they decide to bring Bull into the story, he's taken over for where Drummer is supposed to show up in the books. Still, I think they've been smart about condensing characters, and they manage to keep the essence of what's happening pretty darn close for a show adaptation. I'm pretty satisfied with it - the show doesn't attempt to replace the books, nor the books the show, and in each one you get interesting insights that are harmonious. (I guess that's the value you get when the authors of the books work closely on the show.)
One of the advantages of the writers being in the script writing i guess. They can find a way to ensure its faithful just like the did for naiomi this episode.
"The United Nations will be reorganised into the FIRST SOLAR EMPIRE.......For a safe and secure society!!!" General secretary really missed a great political opportunity during that speech if you ask me.
Can I talk about karal? I wanna talk about Karal. Every time I see her I’m like “grrr I hate you, but you look so god damn cool” Also, it is my civic duty to spread this comment wherever I go.
Nahid, he didn't die. He passed out after 15 seconds, they repressurised after another 15 seconds, and the guy woke up with no ill effects. His tongue bubbled.
It's not just burns, Naomi suffers from Decompression Sickness. Based on what I read, that actually sucks, really a lot. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness Each season had its own type of story, right? Last season was a Western, this season includes a fair amount of post-apocalyptic sci-fi. :) Micky has some good insight into Marco's planning, I think. "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." -Sun Tzu. However, to answer his question, I think the admiral has let his emotions sway his judgement. Punishing the enemy's civilians is only a valid choice when you know they fully support their leaders -- and that's not clear. The other thing is, Inaros isn't a real leaders, backed by systems and institutions. He's a warlord, and that means he only enjoys the support he does, as long as people think he's winning. As soon as he suffers a real reversal, his own people would turn against him. So, they don't have to beat all the Belters, or even attack all the Belters. What they have to do is take military objectives that Marco can't afford to lose, that are the centers of Belter society. But *take them*, don't destroy them and, when you have them, make sure to treat the Belters, there, reasonably decently. To fight a terrorist such as Marco is like punching water. The force of the punch just causes it to flow elsewhere. The way to force an engagement is to take things Marco cannot afford to lose -- not destroy them -- and make him come to you to either prevent its capture, or to try to take it back. Also, talk to Holden before you do anything. He's the guy on the spot, with the latest info.
Just want to pop in here and say that punishing an enemy's civilians is NEVER a valid choice. Unless you're a mind reader, you can't know whether they truly support their leader or whether their leader is forcing them to show support. Agree with all your other points, though! Thanks for the link on decompression sickness, it led me down a weird rabbit hole.
The astronaut that NASA accidentally exposed to vacuum survived. Luckily he wasn't in space at the time, but in a vacuum chamber here on Earth. You can read about it here: www.popularmechanics.com/space/a24127/nasa-vacuum-exposure/
I think Drummer called karal a fucking dick head in belter 🤔 More Easter eggs for book readers like Mickey: Google the place where Amos and Clarissa are heading. There's a nearby town with a familiar name
@@Cbricklyne oh man wow I got the number of the book wrong by 1 number. That means every single word that came out of my mouth after that was factually wrong. How dare I share my opinions of a book I read over a year ago?
No Suraj, that wasn't Naomi's voice in the recording that got to Drummer's ship. That was the simulation that Marco created to fake the message that it was her. Naomi tried to record her own message and send it with the suit transmitter but it didn't get far that's why she rigged the original recording at the end to change the message. These are the things that you guys miss because you're talking too much during the episode.
I stated in the discussion that this was the case. I incorrectly said in the reaction that I thought Naomi sent her voice to Drummer. By the discussion I was saying I was wrong about her sending a voice recording to Drummer specifically.
So basically 12 people didn't listen to the discussion. I honestly believe a lot of you guys watch whatever thing The Normies get wrong in the reaction, than dip right before discussion, and miss the corrections that are made. It must be exhausting always having to correct subscribers like yourself.
One thing I would point out about Delgado is at 20:47 you suggest "hit somewhere else" but thats the problem with fighting Marco and the OPA. They don't where uniforms, they don't have military stations. There is no OPA version of Deimos for the Earthers to bomb, the Belt has no military stations with purely military personnel on them. Wherever they attack there is going to be civilian casualties. Plus the Earthers, including Delgado aren't exactly in a calm mood right now, the Belters (and Marco claims to be speaking for all the belt) just killed Billions of innocent civilians, and now refuse to show themselves. Most of the UN military has probably lost family in this. I'd be out for Blood too, and I think Delgado clearly is trying to make up for his mistake earlier in not standing up and speaking out, he feels guilty. Personally I don't agree with his suggestion though, firstly obviously because of the massive civilian casualties. But I also don't think it is effective in achieving the UN's military goal. They state they wanna lure Marco out, but we've seen the power of these sort of nuclear strike weapons in season 2&3 when the UN tried to eliminate the Martian stealth missiles. Its basically impossible to defend against. That won't convince Marco out, because he can't do anything about it, and it isn't going to lessen his support, both due to civilian casualties and his inability to stop it. The better military move is assaulting one of these bases directly. This would lower civilian casualties, but its also a call out to Marco. Its challenging him to battle and saying "come on then, are you gonna defend your people?". With an actual assault he has no excuse for not defending his territory, and the UN fleet should still be superior.
I don't like when we see screams cut several times. This example with Drummer wasn't so bad compared to a lot of other shows and movies. I've never gotten why this has been done. It only ever takes me out of it. Otherwise, I loved it. (Just a personal preference.)
@@kirkdarling4120 Belters get tattoos to show that they are Belters. The neck tats are in homage to the scars acquired by old rockhoppers due to burns from faulty pressure-suits, however, all Belters take pride in their tats. Remember Diogo showing up aboard the Behemoth with his facial tats? Marco doesn't want tats because he sees himself as superior to other Belters and wants to look more like an Inner.
@@sparrowlt yeah after a bit for digging it seems that the crew of Soyuz 11 are the only people to have ever died in vacuum. However I do not believe they were exposed to the hazards of space (temperature, radiation, etc.) and died from just the depressurization. Also it seems the Soviets may have done tests like these on live animals, though I’m not sure on how well researched/declassified that info is.
@@rundownthriftstore well its official they died of decompression..not radiation or temperature.. they were not wearing suits because the soviets wanted to cram 3 crew in the Soyuz so when a valve depressurized the ship still way above any sizable atmosphere they probably lost consciousness fast and died a couple minutes later of oxiogen starvation.. afterwards until the Soyuz was redesigned to be larger the soviets went back to 2 crew with suits
@@REVAN2338 and this stupid fuck marco fears the belters retake the possibiltiy to live on planets...he is a shortsighted idiot.....wants the belters to stay weak physically with forcing them to stay in space their life....the one thing that made them have weaker bones muscles etc.... he would have far more good chances of a future when he would fight for own star systems and the right to settle there independet... but for me marco is very short sighted in the case of the belts future
Rana said she would throw up all over herself if she got drunk in zero-G. But look on the bright side: if you throw up in zero-G the vomit would just float around the room in little blobs, like the spilled water did. All you have to do is suck the vomit blobs out of the air, the same way they did for the water - makes cleaning up super easy! 🤮
This is why I am waiting for Blind Wave to catch up with The Expanse. No screaming, no talking over one another plus they actually understand what is happening in the show
Idk what to tell ya. We couldn’t be more excited to be watching the show. The creators themselves told us when we had drinks with them that they like when we talk over the scenes because this shouldn’t be a market substitute or us just starting at the screen.
@@DjTiesticles Kat & Sonny are really good too if your like me and don't like people who shout and lot and then ask wtf is happening when they just screamed over the answer to their own question.
@@Tweek08 Blind Wave reactions are fairly boring in comparison you guys. Eric is the only thing that holds that channel together. He is great. The rest of their reaction team is terrible. Rick, and Calvin are basically mutes. Even in the discussion portion they barely add shit. All Aaron adds is corny dad jokes to the reaction. For the most part their comedy is cheesy, and the channel as a whole is extremely pg13 lol. The normies are actually "lol" funny. For the life of me i still can't understand why they have so many simps. Could be because they've been on youtube for much longer, idk. Criminally overrated reaction channel. Keep up the great work Suraj. They b**** but still keep coming back for more. What you all have achieved in a much faster rate than Blind Wave could have ever dreamed has been amazing to watch over the years.
Dude on far left while I appreciate his enthusiasm should leave his commentary on the books out as not every fan has read the book. Appreciate the mods keeping the comments section spoiler free as well.
I was surprised by how mild Earth's proportional response seems to be. Inaros tried to annihilate life on Earth and they're only talking about destroying one station? At the very least they should nuke Ganymede and destroy the Belts agricultural capabilities.
Except it's not just the Belt that depends on Ganymede. Both the Earth and Mars also depend on it for agricultural resources and production. It's one of the bread baskets of the system as one of the few places in the system that has a natural magnetosphere along with a (thin) oxygen atmosphere.
Earth should occupy or blockade Ganymede. Marco has a plan for agriculture but he even says it'll take years to implement and if he attacks Earth with protomolecule he'll be destroying the only source of live soil. So in the short term Earth could stsrve Marco's movement and possibly turn some belters against him
@@troytesla live soil, means soil with the nutrients and bacteria required to actually grow crops. other planets are an entirely new ecosystem that will most likely not be compatible with earth based plant life.
@@troytesla There's one small tiny problem with that plan that even Marco himself acknowledge even if tacitly. Belters can't exactly make it, much less thrive on the new worlds on their own without the help of Inners (for the most part) due to the small problematic fact that most of the planets accessible through the ring gates are standard M-class planets with similar atmospheric pressure and 1g gravity to Earth. Most Belters don't have the physiology to survive on or adapt to these planets as we saw from Naomi's attempts in Season 4, and for the few that do, there simply aren't enough of them to sustain the sort of massive export operation they would need to shift large amounts of the live soil back to the Belt (and don't forget that most of those planets were FAR from their home ring gates as well as our gate - you're talking return journeys of several months to a few years length roundtrips). They would still need the help of Inners even in the new worlds to help them harvest that live soil - Inners that you've just pissed off by destroying their home planets. Many have speculated that Marco's actual full plan involves destroying Earth with the protomolecule but giving ring primary ring access to the Martians who would then be the ones harvesting the live soil for both the Belters and the Martians (back on Mars) - since they are better able to adapt to the new worlds than Belters.
Nahid: She's been through some s***. Me: Of her own making. Holden needs to get the Protomolcule back. That should be top priority. Naomi can take care of herself for the time being.
I like Drummer very much, but she quit everything and politics cause she couldn't handle the game anymore, and went to be a pirate, ofc that she is pissed now.. Earth was using earthers as a shield for a century, in that context everyone does that, till someone like Marco appeares and breaks them and their shield...
I'm glad that you like Bull as a replacement for Alex because unless he does a 180 change in personality, I would not want him aboard the Rocinante, much less in the pilot's chair. Shoving another entitled Earther into the middle of the family aboard the Roci is just a disaster.
I think calling him entitled is a bit unfair. We don't know much about his background, but being from earth shouldn't be a prerequisite for entitlement. Julia Mao is probably the most privileged person in the show, but also one who has suffered the most in some ways. What about Amos? Just a thought anyway haha.
@@stevovimy I seriously doubt that Julie Mao would have ever referred to Belter's as "skinnies," nor would she have shown the derision of Belters that Bull has demonstrated from the outset. I realize that his actions/attitudes were designed to act as a red-herring prior to Sakai's betrayal in Tycho, however, nothing he has done to date shows any difference, and his exchange with Monica leads me to believe that he is actively planning to mutiny if Holden goes after "his girlfriend."
Considering the turn they engineered for Ashford, I don't doubt they could do the same thing with Bull. The only mark against him replacing Alex is that the crew wouldn't be quite right without a Martian. They would have to bring Bobbie into the crew, for sure.
@@kirkdarling4120 The change is Ashford's arc felt contrived to me, however, I accepted it and came to like the character. However, as of the end of Season Three, I did not care for Ashford at all (though I love the actor). Maybe they will make Bull likable by the end of Season Six, however, I do not see it this season.
@@LeeCarlson He considers it a suicide mission for people he did never intend to fight for. He was there for the protomatter, something Holden likes to forget. If your life would be put in danger, wouldn´t you try to do something against it?
Am I the only one who finds it annoying that a person can't pull themselves away from their phone for a reaction video? maybe I'm just getting too bit nitpicky in my old age in which case I appologise
Reacting does not imply screaming and jumping up and down. Sometimes emotions through body language and facial expressions is everything, and enough. I still haven't seen a reactor just sitting there, silent and stunned at the end as Naomis message repeated over the end credits. Sorry. :/
Reacting does not imply just sitting there, silent and stunned. Sometimes emotions show through people screaming and jumping up and down. I still haven't seen a reactor doing triple backflips, while screaming loudly and at the same time having seizures at the end as Naomis message repeated over the end credits. Sorry. :/
The show actually made two science mistakes with the Naomi vacuum scene, she shouldve lost some skin when she touched the handle and pressed the button outside the ship since the temperatures were so low, just a little nitpick for yall
@@user-se3qm2se2t No that was because her hands were swollen if someone touches something barehand in space they're loosing the skin that made contact and theyd be bleeding I love the show and think the writers are great but let's not give credit when it's not due
@@menelikiii5004 temp in vacuum is not "so low." Vacuum is basically a near perfect insulator. That part of the ship was in at least partial sunlight. That is going to make it warm. Possibly even hot. For instance: "The outside of the ISS can reach temperatures as high as 250 degrees F (121 C) on the sunny side and as low as -250 degrees F (-157 C) on the shady side." And Naomi was not in vacuum long enough for her to experience any significant heat loss from her body. It would still be at normal temperature because the only way to radiate heat (unless touching something) is infrared radiation.
@@sparrowlt You can have it both ways if the parts of the ship she touched were hot because of direct exposure to the sun (without an atmosphere to cool of in by way of thermal conduction or convection)they wouldve been really hot(not sure exactly where they are in the solar system so I cant be exact)and she wouldve probably still burnt off her skin
“I drink when I’m angry, not when I’m sad” - Camina Drummer 4x08
26:15- Suraj nailed it 100%. A lesser show would not have gone to the lengths they did her to show just how much of a true badass the Naomi character is. And not by minimizing any other character. She stands on her own and that is one reason why this show and all it’s characters are amazing imo.
I got so annoyed with them playing her message over and over during the episode, but it was SO SATISFYING a pay off when she cut that message down. Didn't see it coming at all! Genius
I wondered what she was doing lol
Dominique absolut amazing this episode
Small detail that came back this episode. Drummer says in season 4 that she only drinks when she's angry. Which is why her drinking from the bottle is significant. It shows she's angry and looking for an outlet to release that anger (the drinking)
Awful waste of good whiskey
Naomi Nagata is a FREAKING LEGEND!!!
Ashford, Fred, and now Naomi...Drummer has lost everyone she cared for, and she blames herself for each one.
and all of them killed by Marco.. she has to break at some point
and she didnt do shit all season. just like Holden, Bobbi and Alex. wtf happened to this show
@@Aemond2024 Drummer wasnt there in book 5 ..in fact she wasnt even at all before .. in S5 she takes the role of other book character wich basically does this
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Someone is weirdly angry. And yes, i'm late.
@@idk-ye7ur forgot about this show already 😭 and yes, im always angry 😡
Kitchen workers know the freezer box scream we just witnessed from Drummer.
Mikey makes a good point about Karal and Naomi, and how quickly love turns to hate. A change in perspective can feel like a betrayal when it pits us against the ones we love, and that betrayal cuts way deeper when it comes from someone close to us.
Micky, I totally agree - Erich was PERFECTLY cast. In the books he's a skinny hacker who turned into a mob boss...and of course Mikey says what I was going to while I was typing this comment lol. He's always on point!
Drummer is going through the ringer in the season, Marco has killed her best friend Ashford, her mentor Fred and apparently the love of the life Naomi. I feel for you girl
S4E8 Drummer "I only drink when I'm angry"
Dude reduced one of the biggest badasses in the known universe to “his girlfriend”!
i dont know if it was the same in the TV series but in the book the Chetzemoka was burning at 2Gs .. wich shows that Naomi who was allready injured and weakened by her space walk was suffering twice as much as she did on Illus and stuff weighted a lot to her..
Ty has said that he 'doesn't really care for disaster porn' so there's not much actual visuals of the destruction.
It's clear the "Earth response" is very reminiscent of the United States post 9/11. Going on a manhunt for the master mind and attacking a place that would welcome him (Afghanistan -> Pallas).
Oooh thank for sharing this!!!
@@Thenormies No problem. It's not the only example of this type of mindset in war but I'd say it's the best recent example.
well attacking pallas makes sense...its a big trade hub and used by marco to restock his ships with supplies.
i would not destroy it i would lay a blockade or siege around it....
that would force marco to use other resupply spots with lesser infrastructure to make that quick..or to attack the siege and try to break it free....
but so far i think earth fleetss are still close to earth because they fear more asteroid attacks
@@Fordo007 And they bombed Hiroshima to send the message that the Japanese can´t win.
@@Fordo007 i renember clearly after 9/11 there was a lot of people arround demanding to nuke Afghanistan or Iraq (when at first some tought it had been Sadam) or Iran
I remember back when I had to beg The Normies to give The Expanse a try and that they'd love it if they just started watching it. Now here we are, they're super fans and it's one of their fav shows.
thank you for your service
Did u send the blu ray fam?? - Nahid
TY for your Service
Ty
@@Thenormies Nah that wasn't me. If that was the deciding factor I should have. But since the first season aired I harped that it was great sci-fi, you'd all love it and you should react to it. Glad you started.
The guy in the 60s who was exposed to vacuum didnt die. His suit leaked while he was in a vacuum chamber. They got him out and he made a full recovery
Why was Naomi counting before going in the unpressorized compartment?
There is a limited amount of air in the pressurised compartment and whenever she was going to the unpressorised part the air was lost in that double door small room connecting the two parts. U can see Naomi reading the dimension of the room and doing a mental calculation on how many trips she can take back and forth before the air becomes too thin to breathe.
So Naomi had only limited amount of trips, we can see her getting slower and getting worse after each trip because she wasn't getting the same amount air as before since, the air is continously being lost after each trip.
Good info I forgot about that.
I just was paying attention to how she only had the air that’s in her suit or rather has no way to get CO2 poisoning
I have to say, that seems like absolutely horrible design if the airlock doesen't pump the air back into the pressurized volume
Why couldn't she depressurise before opening the lock?
@@TehIdiotOne Its a cheap ass ship
@@ikeraguirre5865 ..and just the husk of one at that
Who said Naomi should have fallen as soon as she got into the airlock? Zero g doesn't suddenly go away just because you are in a ship. Unless the ship is under thrust, in which case, she never would have made it inside anyway.
Yes, I wondered about this myself. In this episode, if there was no gravity, Naomi should not have been lying on the ground when she woke up after her hard vacuum exposure. Her vomit would have floated in the cabin instead of falling on the floor.
@@Grvthangification Yeah, but presumably the ship was under thrust by the beginning of this episode. She probably passed out in zero g, and woke up while the ship was under thrust.
@@RocketToTheMoose yeah, that was my thought as well.
@@RocketToTheMoose something like, letting the ship move away for a bit before powering up the thrust. I'll have to rewatch bit, I don't think the ship's drive is burning during that spacewalk scene.
Yeah the ships were on the float when she made the jump, and only fired up after. That's when she hits the floor, lol.
Just discovered your reaction videos, and love 'em!
Have any of you watched The Martian? I ask for two reasons:
1. Naomi's scenes in this episode reminded me of that movie in a lot of ways, and
2. The author of The Martian and the authors of The Expanse have agreed that the events of The Martian occurred in the history of The Expanse setting and Mark Watney is unofficially considered the first citizen of Mars. There's even a mention in one of the episodes of a ship named after him.
Feel like you folks would get an extra kick out of it, knowing that.
The guy who was exposed to vacuum happened in a vacuum chamber on earth due to malfunction during a test ... of a space suit if I remember correctly.
Amos main arc of this book is more about the underlining animalistic survival instinct he has. Under the surface its there. Going back helped remind him of the kindness he was given. Now the situation has given him to give the same opertunitys to peaches.
Basically, Earth is in a nuclear winter.
exactly an Impact winter
The writers have done a few flashbacks during series -
1. Epstein Drive - the episode had a series of flashbacks related to the creator of the drive.
2. Fred Johnson's past - we learn about Anderson Station and why Fred Johnson gave up on the UN military in support of the belt.
3. Julie Mao/Lionel Polansky - story of how she Julie ended up on the Scapuli and eventually died at Eros station was also told in a series of flashbacks.
4. The story of the Nauvoo - when Miller was talking to one of the Mormon's about the Nauvoo, I believe there were both flashbacks and for-telling in that sequence.
I can't remember if there were any others. But the series is not free of them. Thanks for sharing your comments, I am a huge fan too. Love the series. And yes, I agree, Naomi IS a badass. 😀
Bobbie checked in with Avasarala and filled her in about the Martian ships in Marco's fleet a couple episodes ago.
yeah but Bobbie doesn't have complete info maybe, that's the point..
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She sent Avasarala the ship profiles of the Frigates that Marco has.
You can't get any more "complete" info than that.
@@Cbricklyne I mean, those ships were Command fleet, probably there's more, if not classes and types, then numbers, but it's possible that that is all, but it's far from certain, and they should be more careful
My guess on Naomi's prognosis in the long run:
- Godawful sunburn on the sun-wards sides of her face and hands will recover like normal awful sunburn, but it will give rise to a very large risk of future cancer. Not as high risk as Holden, but still bad. She'll probably eventually have to have one of those anti-cancer implants.
- Godawful lung, throat, nose, ear and eye irritation: That's probably what's going to hurt so much in the short run, and it might take a long time for her to not be in pain without heavy anti-inflammatory drugs.
- She might also have some lung and diaphragm damage, but I expect the future medicine of The Expanse can deal with that.
What do you know? Suraj said she has permanent damage, and apparently, he's a doctor.
They also did flashback of Julie’s journey
And Clarissa with Julie and their father Mao.
Also the segments with Solomon Epstein in the Drive episode.
Your reaction when Naomi altered the signal was so cathartic!
In S4E10 Ashford told us how to deal with it..
"Violence is indiscriminate, if you use it you will kill more than just you enemies, it will kill the ones you love... You enemy is not only themself but every who cares for him. Yes, show your strength but then show them a smile and most will give you what you want".
So thank a "big ass war ship" to a belta station, Show them that they are target lock and begin negotiations on forming an alliance with mutual benefits.
One thing to understand is that the damage to Earth isn't *that* bad. It's large but localized damage. Earth as a biosphere could survive it just fine. This is not like killing off the dinosaurs. The problem is that *humanity* was fragile. Earth's socialist economy was barely holding on -- half of humanity was unemployed and kept alive by a complex system of production and services. The impacts themselves did not kill off that many people relative to the population as a whole, but they damaged the infrastructure and supply lines that people depended on. The shift in weather won't be that long, but it's causing crop failures that humanity cannot absorb.
It's just like what Prax described in season 2 -- it's a cascade failure. Earth was hanging on with a complex global system of artificial support that could not handle the damage done to it. Unlike on Ganymede, nobody is gonna run out of air, but they *are* gonna run out of food, and even clothing (remember most people are wearing disposable paper clothing)
Come on guys I want to go to sleep it's 2:45 a.m. now I need to watch this. P.S . I love Rana 😉
I watched it all in Eastern Europe it's 3:40 a.m.
Goodnight.
Rana: "I wanna be like her when I grow up." Hol up! How old are you? :P
Tree fiddy
We're all just children in big bodies, trying to do the best we can.
I believe that Marco is not over Naomi and it kills him to think that she would actually kill herself, than stay and ultimately come back to him. Because no matter what he said he had no intention of spacing her or letting her go.
(After all this guy kept tabs on her where abouts and life away from him!)
I think he also wanted to make sure of what happened, because he also knows what she is capable of so he needed to know she died and didn't find away to muck up his plans again.
Another thought I have been having for the reason he has no tattoos, was so he could blend in with the inners while worked on a way to distroy them... amass wealth and contacts... If I recall he was a famous sling shooter in his youth, that's how he was able to plot the trajectory for the rocks to hit earth.
But I digress... He really can not stand the fact that he can not have Naomi, she is his soft under belly...
Who's tougher, Naomi flying in zero G, or Holden putting a needle in his own eye?
Holden, i wouldn't put a needle within 10 feet of me let alone my eye
It's not zero G that matters here - it's radioactive vacuum at 0 kelvin temperature.
@@mikek9297 I should have said hard vacuum.
@@mikek9297 On average space is about 2.7 kelvin. The thing is you barely loose any heat. You would die of oxygen deprivation long before the cold would get you.
@@mikek9297 lmao its not 0 kelvin
Amos, never change.
For the love of god never change...
4:21 it wasn't that she would have fell right away it's that she would have kept coasting into the wall and bouncing off the walls instead of stopping nicely in the middle to float.
Also I don't understand the comment of why Naomi would have fallen to the ground after getting into the ship... there was no gravity and it wasn't under thrust at that point.
It was under thrust though, that why Naomi jumped over when she did, it was about to fly away with the bomb.
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It wasn't under thrust.
She never would have caught up with it if it was.
The whole idea is that it was supposed to be simulated a damaged ship that has no functionality (including no thrust) - i.e. dead stick in space.
If it was under the amount of thrust that could generate the kind of artificial 'g' that would be necessary to show Naomi falling onto the deck like they showed her falling as soon as she got in the airlock, she DEFINITELY would not have caught up with it with a simple jump.
@@Cbricklyne It could be that she got into the airlock just as it started thrusting?
@@DizRupTnz If it was under thrust she'd never have made it, it would have flown away from her. The Pella was using maneuvering thrusters to separate from the ship, but the main engines weren't firing.
@@Cbricklyne the ship was thrusting but that happens AFTER she has allready boarded and passed out...
from Ty Frank (@JamesSACorey on twitter) "We made a choice to present the destruction through the perspective of our character's reactions to it. In a post 9/11 world I find apocalypse porn increasingly unpleasant. Would it improve the show to see a crater surrounded by a collapsed city full of burning corpses?"
"We see the rocks hit. We see the size of the impacts. We see our characters horror and sadness. I don't need to add a long pan shot of bodies and destroyed buildings to understand what's happening. There's plenty of disaster porn if that's what someone wants. It's just not me."
twitter.com/JamesSACorey/status/1352010575966994433?s=20
It is also worth noting that Inaros said that the Belt would be producing their own food (on Ganymede) "within a decade," however, he is not (apparently) thinking that without Earth to provide food-stuffs the Belters are going to be facing starvation by then. Though Inaros is not planning to go hungry.
A stupid plan at the end of the day since the food produced on Ganymede depends on live soil from Earth.
And Ganymede feeds not just the Bellters but also Earthers and Martians as well so in what universe would they (with their hundreds if not thousands of more ships than him in the Belt and the Jupiter and Saturn orbits) let him take control of one of the largest bread-baskets in the entire system?
@@Cbricklyne As I have commented before, I do not think that Inaros is even considering the reality of what he has done, and is just saying whatever he feels will keep the Belters supporting him on his side.
Most of the ultra rich vacation homes are empty right now because they're typically summer homes being in New Hampshire. It's clearly fall/winter currently so most of those houses would be empty right now.
In the show they talk about millions of victims, like it is in the single digits. But judging by what happened in Baltimore and New York and considering all the hundreds if Cities on the shores of the different oceans (not to mention the things Peaches and Amos encountered on the way) the casulties have to be way higher already, like in the hundreds of millions!
It was still worse in the books, but so far they undersell the extent of the tragedy that clearly happened in the show.
spoilers...
I suspect they are saving the reveal for just how bad it really is for the season finale, which isn't a bad idea in theory, but I think they should have done more to show the death count slowly rising each episode since then. Like in the first episode after the rocks hit they could have just said 'millions' but by now they should have ramped that up to '100s of millions', in time to reveal in the finale that scientists predict that half the population might die
they toned down the meteor size and impact energy release but even so Ty said the numbers are off on porpouse becuase the full extend and continuing colateral and derivated killing will take much time to fully compute.. so yes the death toll is probably in the hundreds of millions.. i think in the book was several billions
I tried to start ST Discovery, but after 5 seasons of The Expanse, I can’t handle human aliens and magic space physics anymore.
For me, TE is my ST and SW.
Also doesn't help that Discovery is the worst trash ever written
@@ghost-in-the-ciel I had seen good reviews, so I thought I was just being grouchy.
Annnd tune in again next week for the showdown episode of:
The Virgin Rocinante vs. The Chad Smoker
after-show video had a great detail: the scratches on the hull were Naomi keeping track of how much air she's venting when she opened the doors, 'cause she's only got a limited amount of that stuff.
I smell an eventual spinoff with Amos and Clarissa!! Call it The Churn.
Storyline : Amos and Clarissa traveling the world with mopeds and pissing in glorious places?
It can be a sitcom. "Clarissa Explains It All To Timmy"
Avasarala and the General sharing that look when the Secretary General punted it into the long grass screamed them thinking inaction is worse than a bad call, to me. They both had polar opposite answers, but they had answers. The Secretary General will not last.
I think you read the scene wrong. He’s been pretty good so far. They looked at each other because of their own disagreement.
This episode was like watching Miller on Eros. close shave after close shave and then the ultimate sacrifice
Naimo "Mark Watneyed" (the Martian) the hell out of this. "At some point, everything's gonna go south on you... everything's going to go south and you're going to say, this is it. This is how I end. Now you can either accept that, or you can get to work. That's all it is. You just begin. You do the math. You solve one problem... and you solve the next one... and then the next. And If you solve enough problems, you get to come home."
Amos's hair, it's only been a few days that have past so far this season.
[Book 3 Spoilers ahead]
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Correction, Bull was in book 3, not book 2.
Book 3 Behemoth's Senior Officers:
Captain = Ashford
XO = Michio Pa
Chief of Engineering = Sam
Chief of Security = Bull
While in the show, they were Drummer, Ashford, Naomi, Diogo (probably, not really mentioned) respectively.
So, Bull's story was mostly Drummer's in S3 (although not 100% similar). Book Ashford was rather one dimensional antagonist aka dickhead, while S3 Ashford was built rather grey and then he redeemed himself in S4.
They said in the show that they were looking for Inaros using the drive signatures that "Avasararal's sources" provided to Earth (the same ones that Bobbie provided to Holden), so they ARE in contact with Bobbie. Sldo, it was considered a "fair fight" if Earth and Mars got into a war, with Earth having more ships than all of Mars, but Martian ships being more advanced. Mars can't have given Inaros all their ships, so the calculus is the entire UNN Navy (but weakened because resupply of those ships will be harder versus some fraction of the former might of the Martian Navy now controlled by the Free Navy (but who also have limits on large scale;e repair and resupply of these shipsbecause Mars still has all the best engineers (who know how that advanced tech works) and many supplies, especially food, will be very limited in the Belt for a long time to come because Ganymede is gone and Earth isn't sending supplies.
Who wins in that fight? I'm not sure, but for the moment you have to imagine the UN Navy didn't lose much when the asteroids hit and they've has a couple years to recover after the war with mars, so they are at full or near full strength until their supplies dwindle.
Ediit: Also, technical issue: Whenever Mikey spoke, for the first started to speak, his volume was MANY decibels higher than the rest of you, then it went down. Maybe he was shouting to avoid you speaking over him, maybe his mic volume is set too high and then is auto leveling as he speaks, but it makes for a bad audio situation where I wanted to change the volume every time he spoke, but lowering it would make the rest of you inaudible.
Naomi wouldn't have fallen once she was in the airlock. The ship was still on the float, no thrust. So they got it right.
No actually, that's what they got wrong in the show since she was shown to fall as soon as she got into the airlock of the float.
They also royally screwed up big time showing her struggling to lift up that metal grate to get that tool from under the floor.
Why would she struggle to get it out of the ground?
The mass of it is meaningless in a Zero 'g' (or microgravity) environment and a non-thrust(ing) ship.
A small woman could "lift" a 200 pound metal grate with just a little force since she's not fighting against (any) gravity).
But I guess they just did it for dramatic purposes.
@@Cbricklyne Obviously the Chetzemoka is under thrust now.
@@Cbricklyne - Confidently incorrect dude.
@@Cbricklyne the ship engaged its engine AFTER she boarded and passed out.. simple as that.. we dont know if it was 10 seconds or hours after
@@Cbricklyne It's not about weight it's the simple fact that she has burns all over her body specifically on the arms and face, which means that even touching a simple surface is hard because its painful as hell.
I don't like the way Okasa is getting cozy with Karal and not advising Drummer about their conversations. I'm afraid Okasa is going to betray Drummer for the same reason Cyn betrayed Naomi: "For the sake of the family." Drummer told Fred that she only drinks when she's angry.
I'm not sure what Alex and Bobbie will make of Naomi's changed message. It would certainly reduce their urgency to rescue Naomi, but it might also reduce their sense of caution as they approach. She's going to have to do something more to keep them from making an immediate docking attempt.
I think the Sec-Gen is really leaning toward Delgado's nuclear option. Both of them are feeling a need to spin up their male egos.
Earth has turned into the kind of "simple complex" system as Ganymede was. Even before the rocks struck, Earth no longer had the depth of ecological variation that it once had, and was vulnerable to cascading environmental system failures.
The guy who was exposed to vacuum from NASA didn't die, and it wasn't in space. He was in a vacuum chamber and accidentally depressurized his pressure suit. It was an accident and he didn't die. He lost consciousness about 12-15 seconds afterward and regained it about 30 seconds in after his suit repressurized partially.
Additionally, a guy who did a super high-altitude skydive (who had to wear a pressure suit due to the low pressure up there) lost pressurization on one of his hands, and developed a hand ebullism (essentially gas diffusing into the tissues after boiling out of blood etc) very similar to Naomi's in this episode. It swelled up and was very painful, but recovered with no lasting damage after a couple hours.
Some book spoilers for people reading the comments, so warning here:
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It's kind of interesting that Drummer is sort of a mix of Sam, Pa, Bull and the actual Drummer character. But then when they decide to bring Bull into the story, he's taken over for where Drummer is supposed to show up in the books.
Still, I think they've been smart about condensing characters, and they manage to keep the essence of what's happening pretty darn close for a show adaptation. I'm pretty satisfied with it - the show doesn't attempt to replace the books, nor the books the show, and in each one you get interesting insights that are harmonious. (I guess that's the value you get when the authors of the books work closely on the show.)
One of the advantages of the writers being in the script writing i guess. They can find a way to ensure its faithful just like the did for naiomi this episode.
"The United Nations will be reorganised into the FIRST SOLAR EMPIRE.......For a safe and secure society!!!" General secretary really missed a great political opportunity during that speech if you ask me.
I see anti cancer meds for rest of her life for Naomi too
Can I talk about karal? I wanna talk about Karal. Every time I see her I’m like “grrr I hate you, but you look so god damn cool”
Also, it is my civic duty to spread this comment wherever I go.
Nah. I'm hoping Drummer finishes her.
Nahid, he didn't die. He passed out after 15 seconds, they repressurised after another 15 seconds, and the guy woke up with no ill effects. His tongue bubbled.
It's not just burns, Naomi suffers from Decompression Sickness.
Based on what I read, that actually sucks, really a lot.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness
Each season had its own type of story, right?
Last season was a Western, this season includes a fair amount of post-apocalyptic sci-fi. :)
Micky has some good insight into Marco's planning, I think.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." -Sun Tzu.
However, to answer his question, I think the admiral has let his emotions sway his judgement.
Punishing the enemy's civilians is only a valid choice when you know they fully support their leaders -- and that's not clear.
The other thing is, Inaros isn't a real leaders, backed by systems and institutions.
He's a warlord, and that means he only enjoys the support he does, as long as people think he's winning.
As soon as he suffers a real reversal, his own people would turn against him.
So, they don't have to beat all the Belters, or even attack all the Belters.
What they have to do is take military objectives that Marco can't afford to lose, that are the centers of Belter society.
But *take them*, don't destroy them and, when you have them, make sure to treat the Belters, there, reasonably decently.
To fight a terrorist such as Marco is like punching water. The force of the punch just causes it to flow elsewhere.
The way to force an engagement is to take things Marco cannot afford to lose -- not destroy them -- and make him come to you to either prevent its capture, or to try to take it back.
Also, talk to Holden before you do anything.
He's the guy on the spot, with the latest info.
Just want to pop in here and say that punishing an enemy's civilians is NEVER a valid choice. Unless you're a mind reader, you can't know whether they truly support their leader or whether their leader is forcing them to show support. Agree with all your other points, though!
Thanks for the link on decompression sickness, it led me down a weird rabbit hole.
4:33 in moscow. Guys, I really need to sleep
The astronaut that NASA accidentally exposed to vacuum survived. Luckily he wasn't in space at the time, but in a vacuum chamber here on Earth. You can read about it here: www.popularmechanics.com/space/a24127/nasa-vacuum-exposure/
I think Drummer called karal a fucking dick head in belter 🤔
More Easter eggs for book readers like Mickey: Google the place where Amos and Clarissa are heading. There's a nearby town with a familiar name
Micky, Bull was in Abbadon’s Gate, Book 3.
For the supposed "book-reader" in the group, Micky gets a shockingly amount of stuff from the books flat out wrong in these reactions.
@@Cbricklyne oh man wow I got the number of the book wrong by 1 number. That means every single word that came out of my mouth after that was factually wrong. How dare I share my opinions of a book I read over a year ago?
@@Cbricklyne You come across as a nitpicking gatekeeper. You're failing really bad at trying to discredit the man if that's your intention lol.
No Suraj, that wasn't Naomi's voice in the recording that got to Drummer's ship.
That was the simulation that Marco created to fake the message that it was her.
Naomi tried to record her own message and send it with the suit transmitter but it didn't get far that's why she rigged the original recording at the end to change the message.
These are the things that you guys miss because you're talking too much during the episode.
I stated in the discussion that this was the case. I incorrectly said in the reaction that I thought Naomi sent her voice to Drummer. By the discussion I was saying I was wrong about her sending a voice recording to Drummer specifically.
- Suraj
So basically 12 people didn't listen to the discussion. I honestly believe a lot of you guys watch whatever thing The Normies get wrong in the reaction, than dip right before discussion, and miss the corrections that are made. It must be exhausting always having to correct subscribers like yourself.
One thing I would point out about Delgado is at 20:47 you suggest "hit somewhere else" but thats the problem with fighting Marco and the OPA. They don't where uniforms, they don't have military stations. There is no OPA version of Deimos for the Earthers to bomb, the Belt has no military stations with purely military personnel on them. Wherever they attack there is going to be civilian casualties. Plus the Earthers, including Delgado aren't exactly in a calm mood right now, the Belters (and Marco claims to be speaking for all the belt) just killed Billions of innocent civilians, and now refuse to show themselves. Most of the UN military has probably lost family in this. I'd be out for Blood too, and I think Delgado clearly is trying to make up for his mistake earlier in not standing up and speaking out, he feels guilty.
Personally I don't agree with his suggestion though, firstly obviously because of the massive civilian casualties. But I also don't think it is effective in achieving the UN's military goal. They state they wanna lure Marco out, but we've seen the power of these sort of nuclear strike weapons in season 2&3 when the UN tried to eliminate the Martian stealth missiles. Its basically impossible to defend against. That won't convince Marco out, because he can't do anything about it, and it isn't going to lessen his support, both due to civilian casualties and his inability to stop it. The better military move is assaulting one of these bases directly. This would lower civilian casualties, but its also a call out to Marco. Its challenging him to battle and saying "come on then, are you gonna defend your people?". With an actual assault he has no excuse for not defending his territory, and the UN fleet should still be superior.
marco has more to offer, notice what drummer said.. also curb the expectations with the new administration
Amos and Clarissa are the Ace power couple of my dreams.
You watched this on Dooms Day. From one tyrant to another.
50:39 Awkward silence
I don't like when we see screams cut several times. This example with Drummer wasn't so bad compared to a lot of other shows and movies. I've never gotten why this has been done. It only ever takes me out of it. Otherwise, I loved it.
(Just a personal preference.)
Have you taken any notice of how many tattoos Marco Inaros has?
Belters get tattoos in respect to the old rockhoppers. Marco doesn't respect anyone.
@@kirkdarling4120 Belters get tattoos to show that they are Belters. The neck tats are in homage to the scars acquired by old rockhoppers due to burns from faulty pressure-suits, however, all Belters take pride in their tats. Remember Diogo showing up aboard the Behemoth with his facial tats? Marco doesn't want tats because he sees himself as superior to other Belters and wants to look more like an Inner.
Does anyone have a link to the guy real person who died in space? My Google-fu couldn’t find anything
Wouldnt that be the Soyuz 11 crew?
@@sparrowlt yeah after a bit for digging it seems that the crew of Soyuz 11 are the only people to have ever died in vacuum. However I do not believe they were exposed to the hazards of space (temperature, radiation, etc.) and died from just the depressurization. Also it seems the Soviets may have done tests like these on live animals, though I’m not sure on how well researched/declassified that info is.
@@rundownthriftstore well its official they died of decompression..not radiation or temperature.. they were not wearing suits because the soviets wanted to cram 3 crew in the Soyuz so when a valve depressurized the ship still way above any sizable atmosphere they probably lost consciousness fast and died a couple minutes later of oxiogen starvation.. afterwards until the Soyuz was redesigned to be larger the soviets went back to 2 crew with suits
Bruh the Betlers don't have a food supply.
Two words :
Ring.
Gates.
@@Cbricklyne Bruh, most can't live on planets.
@@REVAN2338 and this stupid fuck marco fears the belters retake the possibiltiy to live on planets...he is a shortsighted idiot.....wants the belters to stay weak physically with forcing them to stay in space their life....the one thing that made them have weaker bones muscles etc....
he would have far more good chances of a future when he would fight for own star systems and the right to settle there independet...
but for me marco is very short sighted in the case of the belts future
Yea surely earth can just cut off the Belt and starve them out??
Rana said she would throw up all over herself if she got drunk in zero-G. But look on the bright side: if you throw up in zero-G the vomit would just float around the room in little blobs, like the spilled water did.
All you have to do is suck the vomit blobs out of the air, the same way they did for the water - makes cleaning up super easy! 🤮
Welp... that image is seared into my mind lmfao
Eww now I can't get the visuals of floating vomit getting stuck on every surfs out of my mind and the smell omg the smell.🤮🤮🤮
It seems like with each reaction you keep focusing less on the show and more on screaming and then you don't even know what is happening
This is why I am waiting for Blind Wave to catch up with The Expanse. No screaming, no talking over one another plus they actually understand what is happening in the show
@@DjTiesticles yep
Idk what to tell ya. We couldn’t be more excited to be watching the show. The creators themselves told us when we had drinks with them that they like when we talk over the scenes because this shouldn’t be a market substitute or us just starting at the screen.
@@DjTiesticles Kat & Sonny are really good too if your like me and don't like people who shout and lot and then ask wtf is happening when they just screamed over the answer to their own question.
@@Tweek08 Blind Wave reactions are fairly boring in comparison you guys. Eric is the only thing that holds that channel together. He is great. The rest of their reaction team is terrible. Rick, and Calvin are basically mutes. Even in the discussion portion they barely add shit. All Aaron adds is corny dad jokes to the reaction. For the most part their comedy is cheesy, and the channel as a whole is extremely pg13 lol. The normies are actually "lol" funny. For the life of me i still can't understand why they have so many simps. Could be because they've been on youtube for much longer, idk. Criminally overrated reaction channel. Keep up the great work Suraj. They b**** but still keep coming back for more. What you all have achieved in a much faster rate than Blind Wave could have ever dreamed has been amazing to watch over the years.
It's kind of disturbing one of the space agencies used live animals in a vacuum.
Dude on far left while I appreciate his enthusiasm should leave his commentary on the books out as not every fan has read the book. Appreciate the mods keeping the comments section spoiler free as well.
Man, y’all are ruining this reaction lmao. Bad guesses, talking over the best scenes, missing the emotional beats. Better luck on the next one.
Attempt #258:of trying to get The Normies to check out Symbionic-Titan or Primal.
Both made by Genndy Tartakovsky, the guy who made Samurai Jack.
I was surprised by how mild Earth's proportional response seems to be. Inaros tried to annihilate life on Earth and they're only talking about destroying one station? At the very least they should nuke Ganymede and destroy the Belts agricultural capabilities.
Except it's not just the Belt that depends on Ganymede.
Both the Earth and Mars also depend on it for agricultural resources and production.
It's one of the bread baskets of the system as one of the few places in the system that has a natural magnetosphere along with a (thin) oxygen atmosphere.
Earth should occupy or blockade Ganymede. Marco has a plan for agriculture but he even says it'll take years to implement and if he attacks Earth with protomolecule he'll be destroying the only source of live soil. So in the short term Earth could stsrve Marco's movement and possibly turn some belters against him
@@m.e.3862 If Marco promolecules Earth...could he not source soil from the ring world's?
@@troytesla live soil, means soil with the nutrients and bacteria required to actually grow crops. other planets are an entirely new ecosystem that will most likely not be compatible with earth based plant life.
@@troytesla
There's one small tiny problem with that plan that even Marco himself acknowledge even if tacitly.
Belters can't exactly make it, much less thrive on the new worlds on their own without the help of Inners (for the most part) due to the small problematic fact that most of the planets accessible through the ring gates are standard M-class planets with similar atmospheric pressure and 1g gravity to Earth.
Most Belters don't have the physiology to survive on or adapt to these planets as we saw from Naomi's attempts in Season 4, and for the few that do, there simply aren't enough of them to sustain the sort of massive export operation they would need to shift large amounts of the live soil back to the Belt (and don't forget that most of those planets were FAR from their home ring gates as well as our gate - you're talking return journeys of several months to a few years length roundtrips).
They would still need the help of Inners even in the new worlds to help them harvest that live soil - Inners that you've just pissed off by destroying their home planets.
Many have speculated that Marco's actual full plan involves destroying Earth with the protomolecule but giving ring primary ring access to the Martians who would then be the ones harvesting the live soil for both the Belters and the Martians (back on Mars) - since they are better able to adapt to the new worlds than Belters.
Nahid: She's been through some s***.
Me: Of her own making.
Holden needs to get the Protomolcule back. That should be top priority. Naomi can take care of herself for the time being.
True, but as far as Holdon knows, the Zmeya nuked the sample.
@@Fordo007 "Holden's naive"
Well if that ain't the truth 🤣🤣🤣
I like Drummer very much, but she quit everything and politics cause she couldn't handle the game anymore, and went to be a pirate, ofc that she is pissed now..
Earth was using earthers as a shield for a century, in that context everyone does that, till someone like Marco appeares and breaks them and their shield...
Last time i checked Eart has clearly identified Military assests. Do tell, how did they use earthers as a shield? Because the happen to be on earth?
I'm glad that you like Bull as a replacement for Alex because unless he does a 180 change in personality, I would not want him aboard the Rocinante, much less in the pilot's chair. Shoving another entitled Earther into the middle of the family aboard the Roci is just a disaster.
I think calling him entitled is a bit unfair. We don't know much about his background, but being from earth shouldn't be a prerequisite for entitlement. Julia Mao is probably the most privileged person in the show, but also one who has suffered the most in some ways. What about Amos? Just a thought anyway haha.
@@stevovimy I seriously doubt that Julie Mao would have ever referred to Belter's as "skinnies," nor would she have shown the derision of Belters that Bull has demonstrated from the outset. I realize that his actions/attitudes were designed to act as a red-herring prior to Sakai's betrayal in Tycho, however, nothing he has done to date shows any difference, and his exchange with Monica leads me to believe that he is actively planning to mutiny if Holden goes after "his girlfriend."
Considering the turn they engineered for Ashford, I don't doubt they could do the same thing with Bull. The only mark against him replacing Alex is that the crew wouldn't be quite right without a Martian. They would have to bring Bobbie into the crew, for sure.
@@kirkdarling4120 The change is Ashford's arc felt contrived to me, however, I accepted it and came to like the character. However, as of the end of Season Three, I did not care for Ashford at all (though I love the actor). Maybe they will make Bull likable by the end of Season Six, however, I do not see it this season.
@@LeeCarlson He considers it a suicide mission for people he did never intend to fight for. He was there for the protomatter, something Holden likes to forget.
If your life would be put in danger, wouldn´t you try to do something against it?
Any miraculous fans here?
Plzz make them watchg n react to miraculous ladybug it's a great show with a amazing story full of suspense😭❤
bababooey
Am I the only one who finds it annoying that a person can't pull themselves away from their phone for a reaction video? maybe I'm just getting too bit nitpicky in my old age in which case I appologise
The phones are how they communicate with Mikey.
@@MS_25826 ah ok, that makes sense
@@MS_25826 They don't say this on every video, but they have said it enough times that I am surprised that it is still an issue for viewers.
@@AT-rr2xw yeah they have said it in the intro but maybe some people skip the intro and just go straight to the reaction.
@@MS_25826 Well, that is some people's fault and I have no sympathy.
Some hella cringey biden simping on this one.
At least they're not Simpin on Trump.
what's cringe is the way you talk
Britain makes better actors than America does.
Must be why they have only ONE British actor in the main cast of this show and even more Canadians than her.
Probably to do with the training they receive in comparison to American actors.
@@Cbricklyne Canada is West Britain (except Quebec).
Reacting does not imply screaming and jumping up and down. Sometimes emotions through body language and facial expressions is everything, and enough.
I still haven't seen a reactor just sitting there, silent and stunned at the end as Naomis message repeated over the end credits.
Sorry. :/
Reacting does not imply just sitting there, silent and stunned. Sometimes emotions show through people screaming and jumping up and down.
I still haven't seen a reactor doing triple backflips, while screaming loudly and at the same time having seizures at the end as Naomis message repeated over the end credits.
Sorry. :/
Have you seen Kat & Sonny channel reaction?
imagine policing how others express themselves emotionally
Limiting reactions to body language and facial expressions risks getting the entire video taken down due to copyright strikes.
Unsubscribed
peach be with you Mr Boring
@@ShantalhaitianPrincess lol I just left the bathroom and what I left I named after you, nice! Thank you!
But why
The show actually made two science mistakes with the Naomi vacuum scene, she shouldve lost some skin when she touched the handle and pressed the button outside the ship since the temperatures were so low, just a little nitpick for yall
Is that not why she has some difficulty touching things and raising the floor panel during the episode?
not if that surface was exposed to sunlight..and i dont recall it being dark
@@user-se3qm2se2t No that was because her hands were swollen if someone touches something barehand in space they're loosing the skin that made contact and theyd be bleeding I love the show and think the writers are great but let's not give credit when it's not due
@@menelikiii5004 temp in vacuum is not "so low." Vacuum is basically a near perfect insulator. That part of the ship was in at least partial sunlight. That is going to make it warm. Possibly even hot. For instance:
"The outside of the ISS can reach temperatures as high as 250 degrees F (121 C) on the sunny side and as low as -250 degrees F (-157 C) on the shady side."
And Naomi was not in vacuum long enough for her to experience any significant heat loss from her body. It would still be at normal temperature because the only way to radiate heat (unless touching something) is infrared radiation.
@@sparrowlt You can have it both ways if the parts of the ship she touched were hot because of direct exposure to the sun (without an atmosphere to cool of in by way of thermal conduction or convection)they wouldve been really hot(not sure exactly where they are in the solar system so I cant be exact)and she wouldve probably still burnt off her skin