The Truth Behind the Tragic Fall of Trey Lance
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- Trey Lance went from the quarterback prospect no college team wanted, to a top NFL draft pick, to being traded to the Cowboys by the 49ers. So let's jump into the rise and fall of trey lance and why it happened.
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Lance should do a PSA for 'Staying in school." He wasn't ready for the pros. NFL graveyard is littered with players who looked good on paper but didn't have the intangibles.
Lance should have went to a real FBS school if he was so good. It's easy to look good in the FCS when most of the competition are attorneys and accountants.
@@ieast007it's also easy to put up insane passing numbers when you're throwing to Christian Watson.
He's was throwing to guys who had 10 yards of separation
They said if he stay in school at least one more year and cam out in 2022 he would've been more ready and can still be a top 5 draft pick. He should've stay.
Going to the NFL was a money grab. His options: 1) Go to the NFL now, get drafted in the first round (where he was projected) and hope that you get developed or 2) stay in school, gain experience , improve your chances of sticking in the NFL and hope that you don't get injured or hurt your draft stock. Lance chose door #1, has gotten paid $25 million and still has his health. Can't really fault his decision making.
@@allanhee Agreed. I'd do the same thing if I knew I could guarantee generational wealth regardless if I was a superstar or not.
At the end of the day, Trey didn't really get a lot of chances, but he also didn't really seize the ones he did get. Brock, on the other hand, took his shot and just kept winning game, after game, after game. You can say his arm strength isn't as good, his ceiling is lower, etc, but at the end of the day winning is better than losing, and Brock just keeps on winning.
if you measure by those things, Tom Brady's ceiling was very low, but the right coach, the right team and at the end he went to 10 SB and won 7
Lance never played with mccaffrey purdy has never played without mccaffrey. That there and good footwork from purdy is the only difference in the two
The whole defensive scheme is different when you need the safeties close to make sure Christain doesn’t run up the middle for 80 yards. The defense can also blitz majority of the game not fearing a top 2 rb running past them on a screen simply put
He could’ve had a million chances and would still flop.
Call a spade a spade, he’s not good at all.
@@king_dm0250 - Nick Mullen and Josh Rosen didn't have McCaffrey either. Lance, Mullen and Rosen...basically the same QBs if you think about it.
Mahomes really isn't even a solid comparison to Lance. Whatever flaws Patrick had coming out of college, he had a LOT more experience than Trey did.
Dumb comparison to begin with
I didn't get chances either. 9ers should start me for at least 8 games.
Whoever advised him to declare for the NFL is a criminal. He needed more starts
Nah bro. Dude literally got PAID off of the hype machine. His camp fleeced the NFL for about $22mil
@@classicswagg1980you're right had he stayed in college prob would have exposed himself and never been picked that high.
Purdue in college: 27w 17 L 12,170 yards in four seasons
Lance in college: 17 wins, 2947 yards in two seasons
I wish the best for Lance. He’s solid, just wasn’t fully baked.
“Hey kid you’re going to get drafted top 5 and are guaranteed all this money, but go back to D2 for a year” LMAO
His dad no doubt, pumped him up to someone he isn't
He declared for draft too early, some rookie quarterbacks have played more games than him in college alone.
In hindsight he declared at just the right time. If he transferred to a major school chances are he would have gotten exposed and been a late round pick. He went into the draft when his stock was inflated and he got a nice rookie contract out of it.
@@jpete3027666his one game against Central Arkansas exposed him for the player he was, but the niners refused to see it.
50% completion rate, 2/1 TD/INT, better runner than passer
Some QBs have all the physical talent but between the ears they cannot process NFL speed.
He didn't play one snap with CMC.
Purdy has never played a snap without CMC.
It's not everything, but even Jimmy's numbers skyrocketed after the trade to acquire McCaffery.
Lance never played one snap with the entire starters in his short career.
The Trey Lance haters just totally ignore that fact! Cmac had Jimmy looking decent!" KC defenders knew who our MVP was and focused on stopping Cmac!
@@rldebrothey forget that Purdy inherited a team with a five game winning streak.
@@patrickland4367 my thing is the Purdy cult members want people to view him the same way the mahomes, burrow, allen, lamar are viewed BUT without the responsibilities those QBs have. Whenever they lose, it is on them and they have to wear that. But with Brock, when we lose it is always finger pointing & someone else's fault!
Dang I didnt know that! Thats crazy
For what they gave up for him, possibly one of the worst draft picks in NFL history.
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Shit happens, but the one trully baffling aspect of this is the fact that they drafted the rawest prospect ever while in a superbowl window. That's just hard to explain. Sheer arrogance. In that same class there was Justin Fields and Mac Jones. Both played at a high level in big-time schools. I understand thinking Lance had higher upside than Jones, but he absolutely never had higher upside than Fields. This is one more case of NFL coaches and executives overthinking it
And just think: Lance never had a higher upside than Fields, and Fields has been just awful.
Fields is absolute garbage. How people still give him every excuse in the book makes zero sense. It has to be because talking heads behind a desk are paid to make outlandish takes and scripted opinions and people believe it because "the television told them so".
Lance will be one of those breakout players you'll hear about in a few years. The guy has one of the strongest arms and mobility in the league
No he won't
Ever heard of Jay Schroeder?
That covid year really messed with a lot of draft stuff. Kinda wild to think this would be Lances rookie season if he stayed in college.
He should have stayed in college
So at 9:20 why did they draft a qb:
Context - Garoppolo was injured a lot and they were limited in what they could do offensively. Jimmy has a quick release but mobility, deep ball outside the numbers, scrambling, and health were all concerns.
Also they were paying Jimmy about 30M a year and they could get a franchise qb on a rookie contract that would help get players around him.
Hindsight is 20/20: The 2021 class was loaded with qbs and now we are finding out it may have been the weakest in the last 10-15 yrs
Trevor had a solid year last year but thru a few games this year doesnt look as transcendent as he was slated as.
Mac Jones made the probowl as an alternate but was benched for a guy that the pats cut
Fields is awful cant read defenses and Chicago is about to hit the reset button on him.
Trey Lance was billed to have a strong arm and be mobile but really never really saw the arm and the mobility thing was weird because he wasnt quick and he couldnt run over people like Cam or Allen so he was just average. He's a good guy but indecisive and inaccurate.
Trey's athleticism was the most overrated part of his game.
Drafting him made no sense in hindsight. If you want a fast QB with a cannon arm, why not draft Justin Fields? He was the most athletic QB in the draft
Yeah, but they did not have to trade up to get a QB.
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I've been watching NFL football for over 2 decades and the Trey Lance hype narrative was probably the dumbest I've ever heard. I drafted around 100 fantasy rosters last year and took ZERO lance. EVERYONE was hyping him up and it made ZERO sense. He played like 1 yr in college, small program, and the year he played wasn't even the year prior to entering the draft. That's enough info to know he's barely draftable at all, let alone 1st round. I'm surprised Lynch still has a job after that, absolutely bonehead move.
A Shanahamsandwich move.
@@snotnosewilly99 they did the same thing to the Bears a couple seasons earlier, then they go and do it to themselves 😂😂😂
No idea what got into the Niners. I thought he would have been available at 12. Better to blow one first round pick than three.
@@greglyon1402 not sure what you mean. They blew 4 first round picks in 1 shot by trading 3 and spending 1.
If they didn’t strike gold with Brock Purdy, Lynch probably would be gone.
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Great analysis! As a Niners fan who wanted to see Trey succeed (and has watched the Trey haters and Trey Stans tear down the fandom) I think you are spot dead on…up until the Shanahan being better at developing QBs than McCarthy. Shanahan is a better offensive coach than McCarthy, but Shanahan has no track record of successfully grooming a young QB. He didn’t groom Brock, Brock landed NFL ready. He didnt successfully groom Lance, Allen looks pretty bad, Mullens and Bethard weren’t successful, and he exposed RG3 to crazy injuries. To be effective Shanahan’s offensive scheme seems to just need a QB to get the ball out with quick and accurate short throws, and if the QB can’t do that he’s generally done with them.
I agree. Based on results, Shanahan actually *injures QB's* with his play-calling lineups. I heard that the reason Jimmy Garoppolo was sent to a second (out-of-the-way) area to practice during 2022 summer training camp wasn't because he was "rehabilitating his shoulder" so much as they separated him from Trey Lance because he was trying to help Trey improve... and Jimmy was told "How can he be QB1 if he's looking up to you?" and then they moved Garoppolo to a different location where he couldn't influence Trey and the team wasn't pining away for their preferred QB1. The interview Jimmy Garoppolo recently gave to a reporter he carefully implied that the 9ers needed to do more to support the development of their QB's.
DSnyde and RG3 himself are to blame, not Shanahan.
rg 3 hurt himself with his playstyle he’s not big enough for that punishment needed to learn to slide sometimes or go out of bounds instead of going for the home run all the time now the blame I put on the Shanahan’s is when rg 3 first injured himself and they let him back in the game they should have protected him from himself
@@jimbowlan5804 I can’t be mad at that…I definitely think RG3 did a lot to get himself hurt…that’s why I said “exposed” him to injuries…they could have done more to protect him. Great point my guy.
@@mvpg1344 Purdy was a game day replacement so he did not have first team reps like Trey. Purdy went in and produced for Day 1. Trey got nearly three years of Shanahan coaching and still failed.
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In the end, it was a bad move using 3 first rounders to draft Lance. Too much pressure on an inexperienced player. Lucky we got Purdy. Sometimes things just work out. Good luck to Trey in Dallas.
Trey Lance might make a good field-goal and extra point holder. Maybe? Look, it's really hard to be an NFL QB. There is NO shame in not being able to do so. The blame is on the 49ers management, and coach Shanahan, for trading so many #1 picks in a bumper crop year, and now they are scapegoating Trey for their poor decision. They lucked out on Purdy Boy or else, Shanahan would be in serious trouble.
The 49ers done screwed up.
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As a fan of the Miami Dolphins, all I have to say is Thank You John Lynch!
lol
Can you guys even make an afc divisional round first 💀
Nah cowboys thank us
They smacked y'all with the replacement 😆😆😆
Welcome man, y’all got a good haul but like us you still ain’t won shit anyways 😂
Purdy bailed that front office out. They owe him money just for that. Its crazy how much they gave up and are now already on the otherside of the mistake and are STILL in superbowl contention. They could be in runaway territory with with some of those picks back but im wure the fans are still feeling pretty good about things.
Love your channel. You know NFL sports better than 99% of so called experts who never played in the NFL. Keep up the great work!
You got some serious brown on your nose.
Simping too hard.
@@openmike4559fr😂
She's got a great and fun channel. But dude, in this video, she literally said the exact same thing about this topic that every "so called experts who never played in the NFL" said about this topic.
Great video thank you for this
lauren are you going to stream any games this year?
These videos are pretty good I enjoy
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I've been a niner fan for 30 years and I remember Mooch saying Giovanni Carmazzi just couldn't handle the NFL stage, and it was just too big for him. That is the same sense I get watching Trey play. He is total deer in headlights and panics the moment he steps back to pass. Brock is so confident out there and smooth in everything he does. It is night and day. Some guys can handle the big stage and others just cannot, and this is so difficult to predict when scouting college QBs. Parcells always said he would only take QBs that played at major schools and had at least 2 years of starting experience, otherwise he wouldn't take them. Trey might end up being as big of a bust as Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russell.
Drafting Gio carmazzi was a favor to the family by mooch.
Dude is like a great uncle or something to him
Hope trey lance does good with my Dallas Cowboys, and they sign him to a big contract.
Excellent segment. Good job
Trey Lance started 17 games for NDSU. Brock Purdy was at Iowa State for 4 years. The difference in experience is telling. Brock was far more ready for the NFL and it showed. Don't let his draft position fool you: he stared at a Power 5 school; Lance started for an FCS school. Big difference.
NDSU is a great program, should be FBS
NDSU is actually good though. Don’t damper on them just because they’re an FCS program. They’ve been at the top of the FCS consistently for a long time. Experience in college isn’t always a tell tale sign of how someone is going to perform in the NFL. The truth is, Trey Lance got dealt a very bad hand and it’s hardly his fault that his career has gone practically nowhere to this point. I hope he can rebound somehow with another team.
Rams fan here, I was so happy when the 9ners decided to use other qbs then grap cause he beat us all the time minus that big game. You should do a rise and fall of Todd Gurley. Thanks for the content.
Tod gurley rise and fall was simple. Injuries. His knees gave in. He couldnt run like he use to. He said it use to hurt when he ran, that should tell u everything u need to know.
Kyle Shanahan, as 49ers Head Coach, has been horrendous at evaluating and devolving Quarterbacks.
She has no clue what she’s talking about 😂
Devolving?
Yall she lost me wit Kyle is a better qb developer then McCarthy false
I read this somewhere and maybe worth repeating. Trey is called a bust after 8 games and 8 years still wondering about Dak’s abilities….kinda funny.
How? Dak sent the cowboys to the playoffs multiple times?
@@sincerelytyler09 And his QBR in the playoffs?
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The Vikings trading Herschel Walker are laughing at the niners right now
Great Breakdown 👍
Your NFL analysis and commentary on point! It’s all the more impressive given you’re a lowly Giants’ fan for some reason!
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Covid made evaluations tougher, especially QB evaluations. He’s a good person but needs to get some snaps somewhere. Makes some nice throws but everything in that 49ers offense is making nice throws on time. He can still develop & he made $34M. He requested a trade & they sent him to the the Cowboys. There’s worse things than having an opportunity as a QB on the Cowboys.
Trey’s problem was that he did not show any development reading defenses or running the plays.
Trey sitting out injured gave him the opportunity to get the class work in to understand the Xes and Oes. When he got the reps he was totally lost.
THAT is why they got rid of him. He just did not develop the brain side. Purdy did.
Great video
Subbed. More cowboys news please!
While this video has been done ad nauseam, this is the best one made about it I've seen to date.
What no one is talking about is, in 2022, the players on the 49ers did not vote for him as a team captain. The question is why? What did they see or better yet not see in him? A captain is supposed to be a team leader and the players did not see him as such. Now let that sink in, the players did not believe a quarterback that by nature is supposed to lead a team, was not a leader. Now look at Purdy, the players love that guy, they have his back, and he was voted one of the team captains. I hope Lance finds success and does well in the league but every year, the draft is a crap shoot and they're more misses then hits.
Think about this. Brock Purdy is so good that it makes those three picks look trivial.
Are you live streaming the lions chiefs game?
Great analysis, I had completely forgotten about his bad preseason game against the Raiders. It's shocking that the 49ers moved on so quickly after spending so much draft capital to get Trey. Between a short college career and limited starting opportunities in the NFL, the guy just really hasn't gotten a chance to play very much football. I feel like we still can't be sure what he is or will be as a pro QB.
Coming from a school like North Dakota State. Was hoping he will do good in the NFL. So far he has struggled.
This is why I'm against trading your future away to draft a QB. I could see giving up draft capital for a proven veteran star QB, but not for someone who's never played in the NFL. If the kid is anything less than great, ie average or sucks, then you hurt your team badly. That's three first rounders that could be on your o-line, or on your defence. Yes, it is true that a portion of those draft picks wouldn't work out anyways, but they are free, you didn't give up anything for them.
Trey lance is not a pure passer without a quick release and great accuracy. Usually thats the only kind of QB that can make it from a D2 division. North Dakota state is the Alabam of the D2 division. They are always at or near the top. That being said the physicality of this minor leaugue is not the same as the SEC. Trey lance could not run a simple sneak play without being broken. He had zero skillsets for passing with any kind of accuarcy and this pick was a huge mistake by the 49ers.
The 49ers don’t need a “Mahomes” at QB. They need better play-calls in crunch time.
No one wants to wait for development. The player, the team, the critics.
He's actually worse than JaMarcus Russell
He cost more and he's played worse.
That's actually incredible.
Awesome video
The truth is that he was a nice kid so everyone liked him. But he was alarmingly underwhelming in meetings and practice. He just wasn’t ready for this level of football.
It did make sense to have a rookie qb who was expected to sit back and learn for 2 years then have trade collateral if jimmy stuck around
Good stuff. But if we're not bringing Saquon back we should tag McKinney.
Imagine Parsons or Chase being on the 9ers now 🙈
Gotta feel bad for Trey Lance. Shoved into a top team looking for a pro while he's still trying to learn and gain experience. He's a good kid but just didn't get lucky. He also didn't do well in the few chances he got due to all the stress and pressures. Purdy is way too superior and it killed lance. Had he been in a mid team he'd have been a Jordan Love types.
Yep, it all boils down to experience. I didn't know Mahomes sat out for a season to watch. See you during the season!
Experience, experience, experience. That's Trey's problem. Too early and too limited time on the field to call him anything but inexperienced.
There is no tragic fall.....the 49ers failed in their scouting assessment of Trey Lance.....he didn't show any better in college....what made them think he would succeed at the Pro-level!
I tell you who is to blame. Shanahan. Trey Lance was his pet project and he pushed for it. It is amazing the Niners are still this good from the disaster.
Falling off without ever being on is crazy
great running ability and escape ability are to different things
Truth is, Kyle didn't want trey. He was cool with McCorkle but when the niners gave up two first to swap 1st round position, no way would anyone use that much draft capital for an average QB. Hence why he made trey run between the tackles.
Hi there superb post
Imagine if the 49ers drafted parsons instead of going for Trey
Kinda crazy after moving all of those assets they still made it to the SB !
McCarthy has a pretty good track record working with qb's
Great video !!!👍👍 Trey Lance is a draft bust and even Joe Montana knew something wasn't right with Trey Lance.. These Dallas fans think that Trey Lance is going to lead the team to a Superbowl...😂😂😂😂😂
We will see! Look out for Trey!
Shanahan didn't avoid Tom Brady. Tom Brady said he would never go to the 49ers. He hated them for not drafting him.
I don’t see Lance ever being a productive, consistent QB at the NFL level. Strong arm is useless if you can’t read the defense. Big, strong guy but so easily injured? Just a horrible decision to draft him so high and give up so much.
Damn, his high school coach was totally right!! He sucks as a QB. He should have tried his hand at the safety position and maybe he would be something in the NFL right now.
I disagree. It was a good idea to move up in the draft to get "the Guy". Those 1st round picks were going to be very late in the round. San Fran was trying to cement their long term future, like the Chiefs, at a time when they had the capital to invest. They just picked the wrong guy. As a Rams fan I'm happy they were wrong.😊
You're the 1st person on TH-cam to get it right. Lance was my guy in that draft, but I failed to understand just how much experience Lance needed before he'd be a functional NFL starter. Imo he'll fail to show antything in Dallas as well simply for the same reason he failed in SF. He needs reps and he's unlikely to get them in Dallas due to Dak and Cooper being sooo established in that offense. I don't think trey is likely to have any amount of success in the NFL the longer he stays on successful teams, if that makes sense. He needs to go to a team that can be patient with his growth and no team in contention is going to afford him that opportunity because all those teams have established starters.
Great video but Brock didn’t get tommy John surgery… he was able to avoid it he had a less invasive ucl surgery. That’s why he came back so soon.
Why only go over one preseason game and not the one vs the broncos?
Even as a Niners fan this speaks volumes
It's irritating watching people twist themselves in knots trying to pretend these running backs that can pass occasionally or "dual threat" (not really) are something great.
Passing SKILL should be a thing. Once the legs go out on these running backs, they have nothing to fall back on. Trey Lance was the 'virtue signal' pick. It didn't make sense for the same reason virtue signaling doesn't make sense, it's STUPID and it costs a lot. Calling that QB class "loaded" was correct, loaded with crap. None of these clowns can play QB, Justin Fields is a joke, his mental capacity to play position simply doesn't exist yet he keeps getting chances. I guess the Bears don't want people calling them "raysis". It's all so pathetic, the MERIT that used to govern positions based on ACTUAL ability has been replaced by diversity highers.
As a Cowboys fan I am excited for Trey. With a few years of development under Dak he could take over for an older Dak Prescott.
If Justin Fields went to SF they would be deadly
Purdy better than Fields
@@jorgeoropeza6343 Your buggin and what way as a player is he better than Justin. If Purdy was on the Bears he would be out the league after the season he was out in better situation and has excelled above is position but he's not putting them over the 49ers will never win a SB with Purdy
@@freeshabazz8033Lol. Why don't you watch some games.
Anytime I hear “ raw “ talent that’s always a red flag
Tragic is the rise and fall of D Haskins. Or what happened in Florida this week. . not a grown ass multi millionaire that didn’t get a starting job
As a Redskins WFT Commanders fan, Haskins was so predictable. Haskins needed structure but got Snyder and dysfunction instead. He had talent but Washington was the worst place he could have landed.
@@johnmassoud930 right. I’m an Ohio state fan so got to see him play here. Tons of energy
@@jamesdavis8542 if you are strictly talking about the NFL, then Haskins never had a rise
@@ernestogastelum9123 did you not read what I wrote
More Justin Fiels BS. More Mac Jones BS. Of all the Qb's in that class only one was decent. "Trevor Lawrence".
I remember watching Brock Purdy take his first NFL snaps in a preseason game ....I said "oh look, a QB has arrived!" His footwork and shoulders were clearly advanced compared to all the others. Especially Trey
His footwork is pretty amazing. It's actually a beautiful thing to watch.
HANG THAT MIC UP STOP HOLDING IT LOL
Faults on HC Shannahan and GM Lynch on costing SF 49ers US$28 millions paid to Lance for no-performance, not to mention lost of draft capital and who knows may be 2 Super Bowl wins.
Of those draft picks was Micah Parsons.
Great breakdown, you know your stuff. I'm more opinionated, It's the fault of the Niner's brain trust for trading so much draft capital to move up for a risky prospect. Yes, Lance development was hampered due to injuries but this to speaks to the risk side of the trade as well. Some young players seem to be bitten by those injuries and its not an exact science on who those will be.
Trey can't read defenses. He can't look off defenders. He does not slide around in the pocket. These are all basic skills that Purdy had from day 1.
Trey Lance, i hate to say it....but he's headed for being a practice squad member only for the rest of his career and then he'll pop up in Arena Football.
First off after watching this video the 49ers had no business giving up so much the kid hadn't played qb that long in college they could have kept there picks drafted him in the 3rd round and let him develop behind a veteran qb I bet they won't fall in love with a college qb again unless he has adleast 3yrs college experience at a bigger school
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versus is against
Compare Purdy’s college stats to Lance’s. SF could have gotten Lance in the 7th round instead of wasting that pick in the 1st round.