Deep stuff mate. Very interesting too, I haven't really got critique or a comeback to it, as it's so...it felt like when I was reading "A Brief History of Time": not confusing, but boggling, in a way.
its one of those things. everything has a beginning and end as one of its funamental qualities. something endless is impossible for us to fully comprehend because there is nothing to liken it to
well at the end of space, you go to the beginning, like how in two dimensions a sphere in infinite, you start off in a path, you keep going until you end up in the starting point, there was no "beginning" and no "end" just one seam less path, that goes on forever, the same is with our universe, as long as we go in 3 dimensions we will go in one seamless path. However if we were to go into the 4th, we would see hyperspace, and other universes. This was taken from Dr. Michio Kaku.
A similar situation is playing "pick a number between 1 and infinity" with a deity. You pick three. The odds of being correct are essentially zero, but it's still possible that you picked correctly.
Finally somebody who has the same view as me! Although I disagree with the probability part because the monkeys can be replaced with computers making combinations and permutations on the alphabet, no probablity involved.
If you're pulling my leg, good job! You had me going until now. Else... sigh. If the use of the word arbitrary turns a field into non-reasoning, well, goodbye mathematics! In math, "arbitrarily small" has a technical meaning which is essential for such staples as calculus (theory of limits anyone?) Put in non-technical language, Lorenz's discovery might be better expressed, "For two starting points as close together as you like, their long term behavior will diverge as far apart as you like."
"Eventually in infinity, our world could be created" Srange, I had that thought long before I read about Chaos theory. An idea about infinite-finite: You draw a straight line, and continue drawing, further to infinity - but then in our universe, that infinity means you comes back to starting point -> finite You draw a circle, then the area within is limit (finite) - but then if you put dots in that finite area, zoom in, put more dots, zoom in more, more dots, you can put infinite dots there.
@DeadSea000 What I said about coherence applies to concepts generally, not just that of infinity. Consider the paradox of space. Where does space end? If one says at X, one can always ask: what is beyond that? On the other hand, there seems something wrong with the notion that it goes on and on forever. It is not just that we don't know the answer; no answer seems possible. So there must be something wrong with our thinking. [cont]
limits on our knowledge (ie, our ability to know the weather accurately a year from now) but it does not prohibit understanding- it can illuminate deep order in apparently random processes. I gave you one example of something that CT tells us about the world, contra your earlier statement that CT effectively makes no predictions. Would you like to explain why Feigenbaum's constant does not represent an understanding of the world that CT has given us?
@DeadSea000 This is what makes it a philosophical problem, not a scientific one. I think the spatial paradox can be resolved. The error is in picturing ourselves viewing the universe from outside. We are not outside but within it. It may be that space curves back on itself in such a way that if we continue in a straight line we come back to our point of departure. I don't know quite what to make of the paradox of time. If the temporal universe began at a specific time ago [cont]
Actually if you had an infinite number of monkeys doing said task, you would have the complete work of Shakespeare done in an infinitely small quantification of time.
The actual events, as I have described them, were quite counterintuitive to a scientific world trained in studying linear systems as it was at the time; its effect has been likened to one of Kuhn's "revolutions" or "paradigm shifts." As for Perelman, forgive my skepticism. If you can point to him expressing this opinion publically, I'll believe it; else, it's anonymous anecdotal internet name dropping to me. Regardless, I would disagree still, unless Perelman can elaborate. CT places (con't)
Some statements in logic transcend the fact that we are human. Example of statements: There are 8 planets (bye bye Pluto) in our Solar System. (The statement is either true or false, whether or not humans exist) So you cannot criticise the entire body of logic and say its flawed merely because its of human creation.
Chaos Theory is not "just a" theory. Theory in this sense refers to a branch of knowledge, ie, number theory, queer theory, political theory. It is certainly not "only an opinion." The Chaos in the title does not refer to our inability to understand it (A great deal is understood about chaos; Read Gleick's book by that name) but rather our inability to accurately model chaotic systems in the long term.
@DeadSea000 However, 'infinity' also refers to a mathematical tool which the mathematician well knows doesn't correspond to anything real. In maths, infinity divided by an integer, no matter how big, equals infinity. Given a large enough number of monkeys (X) one will type out a copy of Shakespeare. How many to type Y copies? X times Y. If X times Y is unlimited, so is Y (the number of copies). Yet Y is a fraction of X times Y. That is all I mean by 'a fraction of infinity'.
An INFINITE number of monkeys typing randomly would not only result in one of them typing out Hamlet, but an INFINITE number of them doing so at first attempt without mistakes. In fact, it would result in an INFINITE number of monkeys typing out the whole of Shakespeare, and so on. This follows from the fact that the tiniest fraction of infinity is infinity. Infinity is a weird notion. It may even be internally incoherent. ANYONE THINK IT IS?
While I'm here... Since the monkeys are being used as random character generators, probability enters in that not every string of characters need be produced; there is no rule, for example, that prevents the monkeys from simply typing A over and over. It's incredibly improbably but then again so is any string of significant length. This sort of situation is why you sometimes here people talk about events w/"a probability of 1"
That is assuming that space and time are infintite, we don't know that. It's an assumption trying to explain how we got here. By random chance. The same idea is being put into evolution, if only you have enough time and enough randomness, then eventually we come out of the slimey soup. But we don;t even know for sure if time is a constant. Or gravity. We don;t know half-time is a constant. We assume a lot of things, just to make us randomly possible.
If you have an infinite number of computers making an infinite number of permutations and combinations on letters then you know with certainty that all meaningful (and not so meaningful sentences) will be typed. There is no question of probability.
@DeadSea000 (say approx 15 billion years) then it is meaningless to ask what happened before then. Also, if it had a specific beginning then the age of the universe either carries on increasing with time or comes to an end. Even if it carries on forever, it never becomes infinite. The time and the number of monkeys required to type a copy and subsequent copies refer to probability only. There is order in a copy of Shakespeare's works but in this scenario it is brought about by chance.
Also, a more open comment - surely infinity does not 'make all things possible'. Infinite monkeys may type Shakespeare, but could they speak it? No, because monkeys lack the necessary vocal equipment. Would I ever be able to touch my right elbow with my right hand (without harm)? Or George Bush correctly to pronounce the word 'nuclear'? (I begin to see why he prefers not to think of himself as evolved from monkey forbears...).
well, we come into the same problem with the big bang theory to quote Stephen Hawking"why does the Universe even bother existing?" with M- theory we are left with one universe membrane with nothing to collide with to create more big bangs. God solves this, if God is math itself, (and yes, according to our wonderful world of the quantum He must be a being) than he has always existed, else there would be a time before math.
skip the notions of what you are. Move on to the point at hand: Time and it's existence. Time as I have been taught isn't a separate entity but a measurement of change. Time is an organized principle created to take a measurement of change. We base time off the lunar cycle of 24-25 hour intervals. "Freezing" time requires one to stop a rate of change (IE to reduce bacteria growth we freeze foods to slow the rate of reproduction of bacteria). Now, the problem with determining the origin is
WHAT?! The universe by definition is in no way infinite according to the best theories we have, the same theories which explain why the Earth orbits the Sun and apples fall to the ground.
I don't believe that everything and anything is possible. What I believe is that only what "IS" is possible. For example, you could say that it is possible that I could have drank something and would be going to the the bathroom right now. The reality is that I am not in the bathroom but at my computer. There is only one reality and it is not possible that I am somewhere else.
this means nothing to me!!!! could someone send me a link to find a video to explain it? something would help. many people are saying this isn't the theory, well what is it?
Well, it's certainly not chaos theory, that's for sure. Isn't ETERNAL RECURRENCE Nietzsche's idea that if time is eternal, the same atoms that constitute you, indeed the planet, indeed the universe itself, must come together again and again endlessly?
(Part2) In that universe, people begin to wonder "why it's like this but not like that? why I'm made with metal, not with meat and all?" I've read one argument against Darwinism and origin of life: "why can't just say coincidentally material come together and become bricks and cement, then coincidentally come together to become a house?" Well that world is a possibility, but these thing doesn't help WE exist.
take for exapmle copper sulfate. it may behave stably in ways that laws of physical and chemical combination of their atomic parts can predict. still, their actual coming to be could not be predicted; only its possibility. other entities have novel rules of stable behavior not predictable from merely general physics or chemistry, and not understandable except within the context of concrete chance world-history.
There is no such thing as "ALMOST complete certainty". There is no talk of chance or probability. If every combination and permutation of the alphabet where to be compiled all meaningful sentences would be produced. There is no infinitely small chance that it wont, there is no talk of chance! If you claim that there is probability involved, prove it mathematically or logically.
@DeadSea000 Infinity is an abstract like truth or beauty. We cannot encounter infinity any more than we can truth or beauty, though we may encounter what is true, beautiful etc. Can we ever encounter anything that is infinite? I cannot imagine it. Can I conceive of it? Well, there is something I attach the label to but it might be an internally incoherent concept. If it is, then it cannot correspond to anything real. Even if coherent, it still might not exist. [cont)
Our universe is 4D...An infinite dimension theory? Do you care to explain what you mean by infinite dimensions and what evidence or reason is there to accept infinite dimensions or what relevance it has at all to Chaos.
I see what you're saying. But I guess you've seen the other video on chance. If you spun a huge roulette wheel with trillions and trillions of numbers and it landed on the number you needed you would be one step there. But then you would have to get all the other constants correct and spin the roulette wheel again and again so they all land in the right place one after the other. Even if you had infinity for this, I believe it just would never happen.
a problem with your "recreated world" thought, scientists have recently shown that space is finite, and that time had a beginning, thus Chaos Theory in that since doesn't apply.
Are you seriously trying to say that space is infinite because nobody has gone that far? I can argue the same thing and say have you been going through space a very long time and realised it is infinite? If not, then its obviously finite. I think its best to trust the observational EVIDENCE which shows the universe is quite finite.
To start, you're grossly misrepresenting Lorenz' discovery- it was not merely that changes in input led to changes in output, but that arbitrarily small changes in input could lead to arbitrarily large changes in output. Lorenz did not run screaming "eureka," but quietly published his results in a little-known meteorological journal. Now, you seem to claim that your distortion of this idea is deficient because it is trivial. (con't)
Meanwhile, I noticed that you replied to nothing in my posts save for a single word you found offensive because you don't understand its technical use. You can assert that my reasoning or math are lacking, but you certainly haven't shown it. Shall I interpret your "goodbye" as a concession?
hah! but you still understimate the word infinite. not at least one, but an infinite number would type them wrong and an infinte number would type them right. infinite does not work like an ordinal number
you are forgetting something. no matter how many monkeys there are, there is a small (VERY VERY SMALL) chance that they will NEVER write shakespear or even that sentence. its like lottery. you hav pretty much no chance to win it. but there is still a chance.
fuking awsum, but doesnt that mean that it will not only eventually happen because time is infinate, given that space and the universe is infinate it is actually happenning rite now,in an infinate number of locations?
... or maybe I'm a mathematician who studies chaos theory and tires of people psuedointellectualizing about things they don't understand? In any event, you are still incorrect; chaos theory does not claim that "anything is possible," but makes several strong predictions about the world- the universality of Feigenbaum's constant in period doubling is one example. Good day, Chuckles.
The concept of infinity has **nothing** to do with Chaos theory, a mathematical theory, which does not depend upon infinity to create its effects. Your Theology professor is not a Mathematics professor, and has misled you.
Ah, there's just another thing I'm uncertain about. Does our belief change the outcome of the Chaos? Because when we agree to the point of infinite possibility, we also agree that to some degree our thinking and perception can affect the possibility. Ha, knowledge is like sand in desert. We pick up some sands or a handful of sand are no different: meaningless. We human find it fun to do so though ^^
This has nothing to do with Chaos Theory. You have no idea what Chaos Theory is and neither does your "theology professor". Anyone can use wikipedia to confirm that you are full of it.
How about reading a book on Chaos Theory before you share your "deep thoughts". I obviously don't know you, but if I had to describe you based on this video, I would say that you were not a smart person trying to be smart. You think you're deep, but in fact you are the opposite. There is an immense amount of fascinating knowledge and theory about this weird universe we live in, please don't cheapen it with ridiculously inaccurate videos that only mislead people.
dude. this is not chaos theory. u cant say this is "my theory" if u dont like it or not. this is not religion to have different believes. In science u can only have one universal theory. wat u r saying is about probability and randomness. pls do not mislead ppl and pls do not give senseless answers to viewers questions with ur misunderstanding of different subjects. u seem like jack of all and master of none.
(Part1) I think that we live in the possibility that WE EXIST - because if we don't how can we be here wondering? In this possibility, all the laws of physics and all things that we consider "normal" are all so that WE EXIST. Let's say there's another universe where the laws of physics are different, people there are made from metal and can walk through walls... It doesn't matter because WE just don't exist there - it's no more than imagination
My belief on finite universe (not about time, too much): think about 2d beings that live in the surface of a globe. That surface sure is limited, and there are space outside it. BUT the 2d entities CANNOT COMPREHEND the 3d space. So they might know that their universe is finite, but cannot explain why, just that if they go straight forever they will eventually end up at the starting point. No seashore, no wall, no boundary, yet LIMITED by our COMPREHENSION CAPABILITY poor English sorry ^^
A small talk about GOD "Man made GOD in his own image" I don't mean that there's no GOD, but the way we perceive GOD, think what GOD is - is basically just limit. Look at the cloud, you see faces.But I see a dragon, my friend says it's just cloud. Another one: The earth is flat, sphere, or just a dot? .
Deep stuff mate. Very interesting too, I haven't really got critique or a comeback to it, as it's so...it felt like when I was reading "A Brief History of Time": not confusing, but boggling, in a way.
its one of those things. everything has a beginning and end as one of its funamental qualities. something endless is impossible for us to fully comprehend because there is nothing to liken it to
COOL and very hip. and what about the odds for a led zippplin song? (M/D-OO)
well at the end of space, you go to the beginning, like how in two dimensions a sphere in infinite, you start off in a path, you keep going until you end up in the starting point, there was no "beginning" and no "end" just one seam less path, that goes on forever, the same is with our universe, as long as we go in 3 dimensions we will go in one seamless path. However if we were to go into the 4th, we would see hyperspace, and other universes. This was taken from Dr. Michio Kaku.
A similar situation is playing "pick a number between 1 and infinity" with a deity. You pick three. The odds of being correct are essentially zero, but it's still possible that you picked correctly.
Finally somebody who has the same view as me! Although I disagree with the probability part because the monkeys can be replaced with computers making combinations and permutations on the alphabet, no probablity involved.
If you're pulling my leg, good job! You had me going until now.
Else... sigh. If the use of the word arbitrary turns a field into non-reasoning, well, goodbye mathematics! In math, "arbitrarily small" has a technical meaning which is essential for such staples as calculus (theory of limits anyone?) Put in non-technical language, Lorenz's discovery might be better expressed, "For two starting points as close together as you like, their long term behavior will diverge as far apart as you like."
Haha, well..I dont like to brag ;)
Mmmhmm it's a very intresting thing to think about as it branches out so far.
Thanks so much though :D
"Eventually in infinity, our world could be created"
Srange, I had that thought long before I read about Chaos theory.
An idea about infinite-finite:
You draw a straight line, and continue drawing, further to infinity - but then in our universe, that infinity means you comes back to starting point -> finite
You draw a circle, then the area within is limit (finite) - but then if you put dots in that finite area, zoom in, put more dots, zoom in more, more dots, you can put infinite dots there.
@DeadSea000 What I said about coherence applies to concepts generally, not just that of infinity. Consider the paradox of space. Where does space end? If one says at X, one can always ask: what is beyond that? On the other hand, there seems something wrong with the notion that it goes on and on forever. It is not just that we don't know the answer; no answer seems possible. So there must be something wrong with our thinking. [cont]
limits on our knowledge (ie, our ability to know the weather accurately a year from now) but it does not prohibit understanding- it can illuminate deep order in apparently random processes. I gave you one example of something that CT tells us about the world, contra your earlier statement that CT effectively makes no predictions. Would you like to explain why Feigenbaum's constant does not represent an understanding of the world that CT has given us?
@DeadSea000 This is what makes it a philosophical problem, not a scientific one. I think the spatial paradox can be resolved. The error is in picturing ourselves viewing the universe from outside. We are not outside but within it. It may be that space curves back on itself in such a way that if we continue in a straight line we come back to our point of departure. I don't know quite what to make of the paradox of time. If the temporal universe began at a specific time ago [cont]
Actually if you had an infinite number of monkeys doing said task, you would have the complete work of Shakespeare done in an infinitely small quantification of time.
The actual events, as I have described them, were quite counterintuitive to a scientific world trained in studying linear systems as it was at the time; its effect has been likened to one of Kuhn's "revolutions" or "paradigm shifts." As for Perelman, forgive my skepticism. If you can point to him expressing this opinion publically, I'll believe it; else, it's anonymous anecdotal internet name dropping to me. Regardless, I would disagree still, unless Perelman can elaborate. CT places (con't)
Some statements in logic transcend the fact that we are human. Example of statements:
There are 8 planets (bye bye Pluto) in our Solar System. (The statement is either true or false, whether or not humans exist)
So you cannot criticise the entire body of logic and say its flawed merely because its of human creation.
thanks a lot
Chaos Theory is not "just a" theory. Theory in this sense refers to a branch of knowledge, ie, number theory, queer theory, political theory. It is certainly not "only an opinion." The Chaos in the title does not refer to our inability to understand it (A great deal is understood about chaos; Read Gleick's book by that name) but rather our inability to accurately model chaotic systems in the long term.
@DeadSea000 However, 'infinity' also refers to a mathematical tool which the mathematician well knows doesn't correspond to anything real. In maths, infinity divided by an integer, no matter how big, equals infinity. Given a large enough number of monkeys (X) one will type out a copy of Shakespeare. How many to type Y copies? X times Y. If X times Y is unlimited, so is Y (the number of copies). Yet Y is a fraction of X times Y. That is all I mean by 'a fraction of infinity'.
if the deity was smart they would pick an extremely large irrational number:P seriously though, very interesting and informative video.
An INFINITE number of monkeys typing randomly would not only result in one of them typing out Hamlet, but an INFINITE number of them doing so at first attempt without mistakes. In fact, it would result in an INFINITE number of monkeys typing out the whole of Shakespeare, and so on. This follows from the fact that the tiniest fraction of infinity is infinity.
Infinity is a weird notion. It may even be internally incoherent. ANYONE THINK IT IS?
While I'm here...
Since the monkeys are being used as random character generators, probability enters in that not every string of characters need be produced; there is no rule, for example, that prevents the monkeys from simply typing A over and over. It's incredibly improbably but then again so is any string of significant length. This sort of situation is why you sometimes here people talk about events w/"a probability of 1"
That is assuming that space and time are infintite, we don't know that. It's an assumption trying to explain how we got here. By random chance. The same idea is being put into evolution, if only you have enough time and enough randomness, then eventually we come out of the slimey soup. But we don;t even know for sure if time is a constant. Or gravity. We don;t know half-time is a constant. We assume a lot of things, just to make us randomly possible.
damn it i forgot the answer to this question. we came from the stars yet we cannot control them. WHY is that so? can anybody help me?
I thought this is called the infinite monkey theorem, not the chaos theory.
Probability for something to happen in a system = chaos
If you have an infinite number of computers making an infinite number of permutations and combinations on letters then you know with certainty that all meaningful (and not so meaningful sentences) will be typed. There is no question of probability.
@DeadSea000 (say approx 15 billion years) then it is meaningless to ask what happened before then. Also, if it had a specific beginning then the age of the universe either carries on increasing with time or comes to an end. Even if it carries on forever, it never becomes infinite. The time and the number of monkeys required to type a copy and subsequent copies refer to probability only. There is order in a copy of Shakespeare's works but in this scenario it is brought about by chance.
Also, a more open comment - surely infinity does not 'make all things possible'. Infinite monkeys may type Shakespeare, but could they speak it? No, because monkeys lack the necessary vocal equipment. Would I ever be able to touch my right elbow with my right hand (without harm)? Or George Bush correctly to pronounce the word 'nuclear'? (I begin to see why he prefers not to think of himself as evolved from monkey forbears...).
Sure it does. Many of the heavier elements on the periodic chart are created when stars like our sun explode.
So are you saying with the Chaos Theory that the universe eventually just 'fell into place'?
well, we come into the same problem with the big bang theory to quote Stephen Hawking"why does the Universe even bother existing?"
with M- theory we are left with one universe membrane with nothing to collide with to create more big bangs. God solves this, if God is math itself, (and yes, according to our wonderful world of the quantum He must be a being) than he has always existed, else there would be a time before math.
skip the notions of what you are. Move on to the point at hand: Time and it's existence.
Time as I have been taught isn't a separate entity but a measurement of change. Time is an organized principle created to take a measurement of change. We base time off the lunar cycle of 24-25 hour intervals. "Freezing" time requires one to stop a rate of change (IE to reduce bacteria growth we freeze foods to slow the rate of reproduction of bacteria). Now, the problem with determining the origin is
WHAT?! The universe by definition is in no way infinite according to the best theories we have, the same theories which explain why the Earth orbits the Sun and apples fall to the ground.
I don't believe that everything and anything is possible. What I believe is that only what "IS" is possible. For example, you could say that it is possible that I could have drank something and would be going to the the bathroom right now. The reality is that I am not in the bathroom but at my computer. There is only one reality and it is not possible that I am somewhere else.
this means nothing to me!!!! could someone send me a link to find a video to explain it? something would help. many people are saying this isn't the theory, well what is it?
with ALMOST complete certainty. there is also an infinitely small chance that nothing meaningful will ever be typed.
A circle
Well, it's certainly not chaos theory, that's for sure. Isn't ETERNAL RECURRENCE Nietzsche's idea that if time is eternal, the same atoms that constitute you, indeed the planet, indeed the universe itself, must come together again and again endlessly?
(Part2) In that universe, people begin to wonder "why it's like this but not like that? why I'm made with metal, not with meat and all?"
I've read one argument against Darwinism and origin of life: "why can't just say coincidentally material come together and become bricks and cement, then coincidentally come together to become a house?"
Well that world is a possibility, but these thing doesn't help WE exist.
take for exapmle copper sulfate. it may behave stably in ways that laws of physical and chemical combination of their atomic parts can predict. still, their actual coming to be could not be predicted; only its possibility. other entities have novel rules of stable behavior not predictable from merely general physics or chemistry, and not understandable except within the context of concrete chance world-history.
There is no such thing as "ALMOST complete certainty". There is no talk of chance or probability. If every combination and permutation of the alphabet where to be compiled all meaningful sentences would be produced. There is no infinitely small chance that it wont, there is no talk of chance! If you claim that there is probability involved, prove it mathematically or logically.
@DeadSea000 Infinity is an abstract like truth or beauty. We cannot encounter infinity any more than we can truth or beauty, though we may encounter what is true, beautiful etc. Can we ever encounter anything that is infinite? I cannot imagine it. Can I conceive of it? Well, there is something I attach the label to but it might be an internally incoherent concept. If it is, then it cannot correspond to anything real. Even if coherent, it still might not exist. [cont)
Our universe is 4D...An infinite dimension theory? Do you care to explain what you mean by infinite dimensions and what evidence or reason is there to accept infinite dimensions or what relevance it has at all to Chaos.
I see what you're saying. But I guess you've seen the other video on chance.
If you spun a huge roulette wheel with trillions and trillions of numbers and it landed on the number you needed you would be one step there.
But then you would have to get all the other constants correct and spin the roulette wheel again and again so they all land in the right place one after the other.
Even if you had infinity for this, I believe it just would never happen.
What about the Big Bang? The universe hasn't been infinite.
Why do you think Chaos Theory (I assume that's what you refer to) is "all but fake"?
I'm afraid I don't understand the rest.
a problem with your "recreated world" thought, scientists have recently shown that space is finite, and that time had a beginning, thus Chaos Theory in that since doesn't apply.
Are you seriously trying to say that space is infinite because nobody has gone that far? I can argue the same thing and say have you been going through space a very long time and realised it is infinite? If not, then its obviously finite. I think its best to trust the observational EVIDENCE which shows the universe is quite finite.
To start, you're grossly misrepresenting Lorenz' discovery- it was not merely that changes in input led to changes in output, but that arbitrarily small changes in input could lead to arbitrarily large changes in output. Lorenz did not run screaming "eureka," but quietly published his results in a little-known meteorological journal.
Now, you seem to claim that your distortion of this idea is deficient because it is trivial. (con't)
Your Theology prof got it wrong and you took it a bit further into wrongdom.
thats not chaos theory. u just described probabilty...
Meanwhile, I noticed that you replied to nothing in my posts save for a single word you found offensive because you don't understand its technical use. You can assert that my reasoning or math are lacking, but you certainly haven't shown it. Shall I interpret your "goodbye" as a concession?
that's probability not chaos theory
hah! but you still understimate the word infinite. not at least one, but an infinite number would type them wrong and an infinte number would type them right. infinite does not work like an ordinal number
you are forgetting something. no matter how many monkeys there are, there is a small (VERY VERY SMALL) chance that they will NEVER write shakespear or even that sentence. its like lottery. you hav pretty much no chance to win it. but there is still a chance.
fuking awsum, but doesnt that mean that it will not only eventually happen because time is infinate, given that space and the universe is infinate it is actually happenning rite now,in an infinate number of locations?
... or maybe I'm a mathematician who studies chaos theory and tires of people psuedointellectualizing about things they don't understand? In any event, you are still incorrect; chaos theory does not claim that "anything is possible," but makes several strong predictions about the world- the universality of Feigenbaum's constant in period doubling is one example.
Good day,
Chuckles.
hah! but you still understimate the nature of monkey. shit would be flung by the megaton, and all the paper would be rendered unreadable anyway!
The concept of infinity has **nothing** to do with Chaos theory, a mathematical theory, which does not depend upon infinity to create its effects. Your Theology professor is not a Mathematics professor, and has misled you.
Ah, there's just another thing I'm uncertain about. Does our belief change the outcome of the Chaos? Because when we agree to the point of infinite possibility, we also agree that to some degree our thinking and perception can affect the possibility.
Ha, knowledge is like sand in desert. We pick up some sands or a handful of sand are no different: meaningless. We human find it fun to do so though ^^
This has nothing to do with Chaos Theory.
You have no idea what Chaos Theory is and
neither does your "theology professor".
Anyone can use wikipedia to confirm that you
are full of it.
Truley, who cares?
How about reading a book on Chaos Theory before you share your "deep thoughts". I obviously don't know you, but if I had to describe you based on this video, I would say that you were not a smart person trying to be smart. You think you're deep, but in fact you are the opposite. There is an immense amount of fascinating knowledge and theory about this weird universe we live in, please don't cheapen it with ridiculously inaccurate videos that only mislead people.
dude. this is not chaos theory. u cant say this is "my theory" if u dont like it or not. this is not religion to have different believes. In science u can only have one universal theory. wat u r saying is about probability and randomness. pls do not mislead ppl and pls do not give senseless answers to viewers questions with ur misunderstanding of different subjects. u seem like jack of all and master of none.
No it isn't. No it most certainly does not. You have no idea what you are talking about. Good day.
(Part1) I think that we live in the possibility that WE EXIST - because if we don't how can we be here wondering?
In this possibility, all the laws of physics and all things that we consider "normal" are all so that WE EXIST.
Let's say there's another universe where the laws of physics are different, people there are made from metal and can walk through walls... It doesn't matter because WE just don't exist there - it's no more than imagination
My belief on finite universe (not about time, too much): think about 2d beings that live in the surface of a globe. That surface sure is limited, and there are space outside it. BUT the 2d entities CANNOT COMPREHEND the 3d space. So they might know that their universe is finite, but cannot explain why, just that if they go straight forever they will eventually end up at the starting point.
No seashore, no wall, no boundary, yet LIMITED by our COMPREHENSION CAPABILITY
poor English sorry ^^
A small talk about GOD
"Man made GOD in his own image"
I don't mean that there's no GOD, but the way we perceive GOD, think what GOD is - is basically just limit.
Look at the cloud, you see faces.But I see a dragon, my friend says it's just cloud.
Another one: The earth is flat, sphere, or just a dot?
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