Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
@@OZToolTalk I agree. You guys have the best review. It's not all about power. More versatile if there is control. Really debating keeping my Milwaukee.
I always thought Hikoki's trigger feels loose. Ive ran the Metabo for a while now and i love it. I brought it to work for a day and my Boss has now bought two and three 5.5ah batteries and he has a range of tools over the years like Dewalt, Milwakee, Panisonic and Hikoki, but now hes on the Metabo platform and he will be staying there! The future is Dark Green!!
1. HiKoki - comfort + all rounder 2. Makita - solid tool comfortable plus #1 when it comes to a full kit due to sheer variety of all the other tools. Plus Makita has that 32volt grinder of awesome. 3. Milwaukee - Powerful and reliable tool, good kit + awesome exchange warranty..
I ended up going with the Makita as I wanted a tool that could be used for a range of functions. I was impressed by the Milwaukee for its raw power though - if they had added a few smarts in terms of different functions/modes it would have been hard to beat. Your testing demonstrates the value of independent reviews - on paper the AEG should have been the most powerful but that didn't show in the results. Cheers
By looking at there hands they used different pressure on each tool.. for example the first test using the hikoki he pushed down using 2 hands.. other ones you can see hes forearm muscles poping out and others just holding it gently.. you cant go by this
Hey guys I'm from the states and I watch a lot of reviews and just happened to stumble onto your review just now and all I can say is GOOD JOB! Awesome review, I love wow you split the screens to time everything properly and 100% agree with your assessments. Great review you just made me a fan and I'm subscribing to your channel now.
It's crazy how much a battery changes the performance of the Bosch. The ProCore batteries turn it into a completely different tool. On site it's on par with the dewalt and the makita for performance and wipes the floor with the hilti. Do agree it's significantly louder than the others.
Some of these tools have significantly more power on more advanced batteries. We don't particularly care about the change in runtime (on the impact driver specifically)
Again, another great video guys. You guys hands down, do the best tool reviews on TH-cam. Your multi split screen comparisons are the best! Love it!! Will always come here before buying any tools in the future.
When I decided to commit to a platform, I looked at most of those brands but I chose Makita because of how good their tools feel in my hands. Lots of good brands out there that’ll do the job but Makita does that and feel like they were made for me. They’re an absolute pleasure to use.
Nothing beats the milwaukee impact driver I love it soo much its soo versatile I use it about 8-10 hours a day at work as a carpenter I would recommend this if I like lots of power and long run time but if u want a more light and comfortable tool get the makita it's also really good
Makita all the way. Precision and comfort are huge, power is great. Makita has the longest lasting battery life (longevity). Plus they have been around for 104 years and never sold out. I'd go Makita, Milwaukee, Hikoki
Makita's at a battery longevity disadvantage right now since they lack triple layer batteries or 21700 cells which greatly reduces the stress each cell is subjected to. The larger batteries run much cooler since each cell has to output less current and 21700 cells have double the current output capacity of 18650.
For me, Dewalt is number one, just because it’s what I’ve mostly always used and fell in love with. #2 Milwaukee, ya just can’t deny that power that only Milwaukee tools have, I could almost make them tied with #1. #3 Makita, just because I like how they preform as well, and very reliable.
First thing I did with my Gen 3 drill and impact driver was to trim that sharp area around the trigger. I used a couple of different hobby knifes and a tiny file. All good now but seriously that is not something that a customer should have to do. It's ridiculous that its not fixed yet.
MrBigblock78 Glad we are not the only ones that thought it wasn’t acceptable. Good you found a fix for it and I will go and do the same 👍🏼 Hope you enjoyed the vid.!
@@OZToolTalk has to be my favourite tool review channel on TH-cam. No BS and real world reviews from actual tradesmen. Your review swayed me to buy my father the Milwaukee M12 Gen 2 combo which he is absolutely in love with. Thanks and keep up the awesome work gents.
MrBigblock78 Thanks for the kind words. We are not ‘tradies’ with tickets btw, but serious enthusiasts and I would say heavy diy. We do try to be very open and honest and real though. Thanks again 👍🏼👍🏼
Still have hitachi/hikoki 3.0ah batteries from 2010 going strong.(6x in total) impact still feels brand new (model before one shown in video) only issue i have is limited tool options and availability for battery sizes with their new multivolt range.
I use the Milwaukee it is very powerful, comfortable, and pretty small, I was very surprised it didn't come in first, but the Makita is also a nice and good tool, and the hikoki's triple hammer is nice/different approach!
Best Impact driver for Electricians is the Milwaukee M12 impact driver. Don’t need 18V for a impact driver and the lightness and smaller size makes up for the lower power.
I've used both milwuakee and dewalt and dewalt out preformed Milwaukee by a long shot. And being a diesel mechanic really puts these tools to the test.
I've used all of these except the Bosch, Metabo, and Hikoki(Metabo HPT in America). I personally love how the Hilti feels in the hand. I think it's comfort is way above all the others. I've had longevity and durability problems with Makita and AEG (Ridgid in America). The DeWalt feels pretty good in the hand. It's really light and fast. And finally, there's no denying the power of the Milwaukee. It's unbelievable. It really does have too much to stop itself in the self tap screw mode. Even the M12 Fuel sometimes has too much to stop itself. I've never had the trigger complaint that you guys mentioned but I'll probably notice it now. Great video
@@dimitrilouskos5037 It is interesting how professions usually choose different brands. Every plumber I have met has Milwaukee. Electricians are 90% Bosch. Carpenters 90% Makita and tinsmiths 90% Panasonic.
In the olden days when tools had cords, it didn't matter what you bought..you just plugged it in and it worked. Now we are tied into battery platforms. I have 35 dewalt batteries in the truck, ranging from the 2ah slims to the 9 ah flexvolt, so for me, I'm only really going to use the dewalt impact driver. Another thing to note is i tend to select a battery to suit the job I'm doing, at least half of the time it's only running a slim 2ah for finer work, better balance and lightweight. I hardly ever use an impacty for bugles tho...the noise will drive you nuts, just end up using the 3speed drill in low..so much easier on the ears 😉 good review as usual guys 🤗
Great review guys --thanks! I have to throw my hat into the Makita ring. Going all day driving deck screws, lags, whatever --comfort and finesse are really important to me. All these impacts have enough power and battery life to get my jobs done but something that feels good in my hand and doesn't break or over drive chit is where I come out.
Did you notice any serious differences in chuck wobble? Would love if you could test that next time, especially with makita having the new dual bearing. Other than that fantastic job!
I honestly haven't had any dramas with my Gen 2 drill (or impact driver) other than the sharp area on the housing around the trigger. Some people are reporting trigger issues where it binds up or chuck issues where it loosens off during drilling but I had no such issues with my one. I haven't used it on hammer setting though as I use my bigger rotary hammer drill for that sort of stuff. Performance wise it has performed exceptionally well I think.
My top two are Dewalt and makita. Dewalt because it’s light, easy to use, has a huge amount of power and three leds. Makita because it’s compact, has all that speed selection, has two leds and has the best grip I’ve ever felt on a tool. My third would be Bosch because of the built in socket adapter.
So you understand that on setting one (one bar full) the SID4 A22 impact driver is power at 531 inch pounds of torque at 1000rpm? Setting two (two bars full) is 973 inch pounds of torque at 1500rpm Setting three (full bars) is 1717 inch pounds at 2700 rpm Sounds like you don’t understand because you had the tool on a low torque/speed setting.
Have always had makita gear but made the change to HiKoki not long ago, and absolutely stoked with the gear. The 36v/18v multivolt system is what sold it to me, batteries last forever, comfort I would rate about the same as the makita but seems to have the edge when it comes to grunt. Would be happy with either, but I'm liking hikoki just that bit more.
I am a chippy who also builds furniture. I could not pick one. I have a Milwaukee kit for the rough stuff, a makita kit for fit out and metabo for all the finer stuff. I will say my Milwaukee tools have been back in the shop countless times ! Which would be very annoying if I did not have spares. Never had a drama with makita or matabo. Metabo just feels amazing ! But beside from everything if I had to pick one brand it would be matabo. Feel aside there is just something about it that I can't describe. Love it
Oz Tool Talk GREAT GUYS! Thanks again. I know how much Mike dislikes doing these lol. Thanks mate! I follow tools far too heavily. So much so I can quote model numbers and manufacturing plants of some manufacturers hahaha. So here’s my opinion from first hand experience with some of them and also what I’ve learned from guys like you ;) The Milwaukee 18V Fuel Gen 3 is so powerful.. SO. POWERFUL. I’ve snapped everything from screws to bolts to impact bits. It’s SO powerful, it can actually destroy things lol. Good when you need the power, but bad when your breaking impact bits regularly. Personally I opted last fall to upgrade a lot of my cordless platform to Milwaukee. It DOES lack finesse, it CAN be clunky.. but as Mike said: you can’t refute that power. And when you need power, that’s the clear winner. Additionally they have really taken the industry lead in the past 2 to 3 years and have expanded to so many tools it’s hard to deny their presence as a dominator. They were the creators of the Sawzall among other great tools. As a remodeler/handyman who works for himself, I don’t own corded tools anymore. Also I don’t own a vast array of tools simply because they’re very expensive. Who wouldn’t own every tool they possibly could if they had the ability lol. So for me, if I need to drive a fastener into something hard, I need raw power - bottom line. And I need the strongest driver out there to do it: Milwaukee Gen 3 impact driver. I will admit the drawbacks of the Milwaukee are the light is awkwardly placed, it lacks power settings/options, and I absolutely hate the battery release buttons on the side. They drive me nuts! Yet I’ve never had the pinch. So I’m mostly team Red, but i choose what I need mostly based on the best version of a tool that suits me, followed by its battery platform. I grew up on the DeWalt back in the 14V days in the States lol. So I’m always inclined to reach for them. However I feel like the performance has definitely lagged behind. For years they were an industry leader (at least in my area). And while I would still put them in the top of the pack, they are my last choice of the headliners. I think they have great comfort, but it seems to me like a lot of their tools have the most vibration and that’s enough to wear your hands out at the end of each day. Makita just seems like a gentleman. Always has enough power. Always a top performer. Always a top finisher. Might not always be number one, but it’s design and features give it class & comfort, and that is something that you cannot deny. And their batteries are easier to remove! Very slow to charge but easier to remove. A real winner no matter what. -Bosch is a hit or miss for power tools compared to others. Some seem to perform great, and others are just mediocre. -Hilti is primarily industrial or commercial. Sure I could buy them, but they’re also very $. They have a stellar warranty, but that’s why people like my father who is in a union uses them. That’s what those companies need, a long warranty for heavy industrial use. -Metabo cordless isn’t very popular either, especially for residential work. Corded tools dominate in unions and big companies, but I do neither. So no Metabo for me. -AEG i can’t compare in the States. Looks just like Rigid who seems to have a reputation similar to AEG for you guys: some love’em, some hate’em ha ha. -Hikoki also isn’t as mainstream, although they are working on it! I have seen a lot of great stuff regarding some of their tools. But they just aren’t everywhere.. yet. They’re not really that hard to acquire, but the variety and vastness of the other mainstream heavy hitters here provides for more options. And once you’re already on a battery platform, if you invest heavily in that platform, it’s just easier to stick with that platform because as you guys said: any selection will get the job done. It’s your preference for whatever your reasons are. That leads me to the top 3: 1. Milwaukee 2. Makita 3. DeWalt 4. Hikoki for honorable mention! Power: Milwaukee Comfort and Control: Makita DeWalt: it’s just everywhere lol Warranty (here): Milwaukee unless you can afford Hilti. Best new features: Hikoki & Bosch. The multi-use head on the Bosch is stellar. And the Hikoki - IVE SEEN THAT THING RUN UNDER WATER LOL. Well that’s all I got Gents! Thanks again and keep the content coming! Cheers
Great reply. Pretty much agree with everything you say, except your comment about Makita batteries being slow to recharge? With the fast charger I think they are the fastest of all the brands.
Sweet vid boys. My top 3: 1. Makita - maybe I'm a bit biased, but I've always loved Makita's impacts. 2. Milwaukee - can't deny the raw power. 3. Hilti - not the fastest or flashiest, but I'd bet my money that if you bought it that thing will last you the rest of your damn life. One thing I was pleased with was how well the DeWalt did. It's the impact that I personally own. It's one of the oldest units (maybe only the hilti is older?) and yet it kept up just fine with the brand new releases of the other pro brands, and even beat most of them out in raw power. Considering it is a previous gen tool, I think it was really impressive in this comparison. Can't wait to see DeWalt's next gen impact, I kind of hope they don't get into a pissing contest with Milwaukee and try out-do its power at the expense of precision and quality, but I feel like that's exactly what they're going to do, because well it's DeWalt... Thanks for the video lads!
Hey man, you're not wrong. I run the Dewalt daily too and it does well. It's the oldest in the group by a fair margin. All the others were pretty new! [Dwain]
I have the Hikoki oj the 18V platform. If you have hands that are on the smaller side and you need to use an impact driver comfortably for several hours a day, this is definitely one to consider. And the sound of a Hikoki is thrilling in a way that only skilled Japanese craftsmen can achieve. The katana of power tools. It is consistent, reliable and will always do what is asked of it. Makita ergonomics are good as well, just a bit less fit for my taste, even though I owned Makita tools prior to trying out Hikoki. I have the impression the American brands tend to focus less on ergonomics and more on specs. A good local hardware store will always try to sell you what is right for you, not what gets them the most profit. And I'm thankful mine recommended Hikoki
Milwaukee hands down. Everyone doesn't have good finger control so I can understand why some people prefer other brands. But Milwaukee gets the job done for me
i'm a fan of dewalt. i got the flex volt on mine and today i had to drive 2inch into pine and particle board i did that on setting one untill to came to making it flush where i had to slow trigger setting 2. so it wasnt to bad there maybe if it had 4 settings that would be great but with some others having 10 settings i think it way overkill and would get confusing to the home diy guys. the only thing about having the flex volt on my driver/ drill is that it get heavy fast and makes it difficult to maneuver around but allows me to use my other flex volt tools
First of all: great testing, really enjoy your channel. But I wonder why you presented the Bosch GDX with a procore battery and then compared it's power using an old one... just curious if the procore would have made a difference. What do you think?
we used all the impact drivers on their 5Ah batteries to create a level playing field. we showed the approximate power gains by using the larger premium batteries for viewers info. cheers [Dwain]
Sweet, cheers from Germany :) you actually explained within the video 😅. I had watched this one before the single test - and watching the single one I was like "hold on, they had the battery!" - and forgot your explanation. Sorry guys...
I have the the Hitachi triple hammer and the only concern I have is that the handle is too tin and thus not so comfortable for my hands. Otherwise it is an amazing, precise and versatile tool, no matter if you put small screws on a soft material, large one on something harder or drilling with it. There is mode for everything. And It is just so light and small. And the 3Ah battery on it lasts a long time.
As always the best tool reviews on TH-cam. I think you might be the only ones to test precision and ergonomics, and not just do some silly power test. If I hate using it, and it can't do the work I need to do with precision, the power is useless.
Did you guys use the self tapping screw mode on the milwaukee when doing the precision test. That is a great feature and is very precise when doing plasterboard or small screws. Gun just shuts off when the screw head is flush. Dont think any other drivers have this. So the gun is very precise.
hi Stefan. Yes we've played around with the S mode on the Milwaukee driver in all it's iterations since Milwaukee implemented it. It is a very helpful mode.... for one or two specific applications. I don't think it helps much for plaster, that isn't what it's made for. cheers, Dwain
As both a Makita and Hikoki (and Hitachi) user you could say I am very happy with the outcome of this camparison :-). Really hard to pick a #3 though. I would love to go Hilti but once you price the things they aren't great value for money. I guess Milwaukee should get #3 on power alone. Great vid, really enjoyed it!
I've had the DTD171 for pretty much all of 2019, I got one for a smoking deal from a local tool supply Rep early this year. Absolutely love it. Small, comfortable, tons of power. It's awesome...only problem is when someone uses it, they like it too much and think they can keep borrowing it during that day lol
@@sweeyong7756 pretty sure everything Makita purchased in North America is from China now. Yes there is a difference, my older one that was made in Japan is inferior in comparison lol
That power comes with a cost on Milwaukee I used to run all Milwaukee but had so many break downs I turned to makita which I believe is better build quality
Makita for me as well, never the most powerful but never had anything Makita fail inside 3 years. As for Milwaukee every tool of theirs except for the m12 ratchet and compressor has failed on me well before warranty. That said they are usually the cheapest name brand for me.
@@melsmobileservices4223 I have had Mains angle grinders and they all failed 7 of them {5" and 9"}, in a workshop with community use. I didn't return 5 for warranty because I believe they were overloaded by grinding. The other couple were broken triggers. They were also cooked eventually. Early on I had some of the M18 cordless stuff the drill failed electronically it was replaced no prob, both battery failed in 14 months each just stopped holding a decent charge. I never bothered with those as I just kept on with the Makita stuff. The M12 stuff has been pretty good I have warranted a torch as the LED failed and a replacement LED is not available, The chuck on the drill I have replaced. The impact driver is still working fine but I don't think it gets much use. I personally use the sander and ratchet and haven't had a problem with either. The Makita range doesn't have light duty tools hidden in the range {Dewalt, Bosch} like some other brands, they are all pretty much equal. Not the cheapest, most powerful, lightest or have the fancy features but have a better duty cycle. The battery's seem to hang in there mostly with a couple of years use and I still have one in use that is 7 years old and running well enough to not get rejected. Milwaukee isn't junk they just don't handle abuse, sadly the tools in my shop get abused. There are times where that wouldn't be a worry for example the driver as tested. It's ability to cut fastener time in half will make a big difference, saving man hours is a big cost incentive, if I needed to use that type of unit on a daily basis I would just get a second unit held in reserve. Probably still cheaper than the high end/price units and way more productive. It does however depend on what you are doing. The one thing Milwaukee does well is a huge range of varied tools that many others wont touch and their consumables are easy to obtain {band saw blades etc} compared to other brands.
@Pavel Melnichuk Next grinder fail Ill give one a go but I find that hard to believe. The Makita grinders are lasting 2 1/2 years on average, The longest a Milwaukee has ever lasted me was 9 months in a 5". I haven't bothered with them for 8 years. I think you are having a lend of me
As a Japanese , satisfied to see Japanese brands did well and stable, but.....I was planning to buy my first electric drill driver or impact. I liked Bosch pro 10.8 series cuz their design looks so good(blue one).They look cool don’t they? I’m no pro just buying for fun, but seeing Bosch’s bad performance,......Hikoki might be the best choice. SK11(Fujiwara)or Kimo(China)is on my mind tho. I’m interested in US brands like Dewalt & Milwaukee but when you buying it in Japan it cost even more than Japanese brands so I had no chance using it.
Ive tested most of these. But my milwaukee doesnt pinch at all also the 1 key milwaukee actually allows u to customize the rpm completely for total control for whatever u do
I’ve only just come across you guys as I research for a new brushless hammer drill/driver plus impact driver combo. It’s fantastic to find an Aussie tool comparison period, let alone such a good one. I love the precision measure you’ve added, as it doesn’t all come down to power. Love the split screen too - works an absolute treat. I’m going to watch your drill comparo too, but would you choose for yourself if you were buying a kit? There will be some pluses and minuses for each brand that have to be weighed up. A tough one!
Thanks for the love Craig! It's great to be appreciate, and by Aussies no less :) We can't really come in here and play favourites. But I reckon if you add the combined scores of the hammer drill comparison and this one, it'd give you a pretty good feel for the brands that we score best :)
Good day! Thanks for this super test ! As for me : 1) Dewalt for the power and the general comfort, 2) Makita coz it's light and very precise, a pleasure to use. Would love to test the Hikoki too :-) FYI, Makita also has a 10.8V impact driver which is one of my preferred tool ever : super compact, super light, extremely friendly to use for a large range of applications and suprisingly powerful. Super nice tool (apart of course for super heavy duty work requireing extreme torque and power).
I have watched probably 12 video comparisons and this is by far the best most comprehensive and professional. Just what I wanted before my purchase. Can't decide between Makita and Mil for my needs. Its all about reliability more than power for me.
Thanks man, we tried really hard! If you're looking for extreme reliability in an impact driver, I'd be personally looking into Metabo, Hilti, Hikoki, Makita.
I own 98% Milwaukee Cordless tools (M18 & M12). I love Makita as well but I am super interested in the Multivolt line from Hikoi. I been seeing nothing but great products on the Multivolt platform that are also affordable & have different feature when compared to other brands.
Im on the same boat as you 😂😂😂....got my dad 36v hikoki....after his cassette style Hitachi got stolen....he loves the things to death....so much he keeps it in his bedroom (so it doesn't get stolen again...nothing kinky)....planning to get the old made in japan makita impact driver to play around with....but 95% of my tools are also Milwaukee.....but haven't had anything die on me yet and my warranty is almost up...
@@dickphan my gen1 M12 1/4 hex impact died after 6 years of everyday heavy mechanics shop use. I still using every battery I ever purchased since than so im not mad.
The hikoki is 18v and 5ah, but the multivolt battery can do both 2,5 ah and 36v or 18v and 5ah. So you are able to use the battery with the old Hitachi tools and the new hikoki tools, and both 18v and 36v that's pretty cool
I have had hitachi drills in the past and have the new impact/drill set up also. Love them. I would take these over Makita any day as makitas battery's are terrible. They go dead with any cold and charge doesnt last when they got older. See colleagues constantly struggling with dead batteries.
They use same batterys as the dewalt, samsung batterys. The issue that isnt a issue, makita batterys have a saftey shut off. So you cant drain the battery past 12v, all the over batterys go completely dead. They have this feature so the batterys last longer, tbh i have never had a battery issue with my makitas sets. And i have batterys pushing 5years
All of my cordless is DeWalt 20 and 60V and I've been very happy. The only minor gripe I have is I wish they'd tone down the stylizing a bit. Luckily looks are the least of my worries when it comes to tools, but they could chill out a bit in that department.
1. Makita (wish it was made in Japan tho) 2. Milwaukee (feel like it wont last a long time, its putting way to much power out. Like owning a 1000hp daily driving car ) 3. HiKoki
do like i did. the XDT16 is also sold under a different number DTD171 same device. just made in Japan!. the only downside is the keypad is in Japanese, but thats a non issue.
The AEG is not in it's most powerful mode on these tests, you either have it on the setting for selt tapping screws or it's slowest speed. Also, that isn't the 300nm model.
I got the Hikoki 18v after seeing this video I love it. The driver just pumps through the screws into all my chipboard. My other work mate has a mikita, and talked it up heaps used mine and was blown away by the power. Actually had to be careful with power made cause the screws can just go straight through the chipboard.
is no one going to talk about the ip rating on the hi koki? its a tool you can use in the rain! also ive burnt out a makita putting in 100mm bugles just cause its vents at the back were covered by my hand. now vent placement is one thing i look for.
For the precision I am going for the Milwaukee Surge (hydraulic impact) all day long, as well as for comfort, might be not as powerful as most of those but it suits my needs perfectly, so far, the best impact driver I have used.
I have a surge and I think it's superior to other impacts because it impacts at the least amount of resistance so there's no stripping of a screw head. Other impacts wait until there's alot of torque applied then they impact and sometimes you have to push on the drill before it impacts so the screw wont strip
Thanks for the comprehensive review. Bosch didn't perform too well, but I will say they make some damn reliable tools. I've been using the same GBH-4-DFE hammer drill for years and years and it's seen a LOT of work, yet it still works flawlessly every time I need to use it. Even though the Bosch came last, I honestly still might buy it. I just find their tools so robust.
The new Bosch they're using here is optimised for use with Bosch's new ProCore batteries. These deliver more power. They're using Bosch's old batteries in the test. Still don't think the Bosch would have won it but it would've performed better.
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks, I've been checking them out as I only have the normal style batteries at the moment. Trying to build up my collection. Waiting for a good deal on the 200C that comes with the L-BOXX. I just picked up the GKS 190 corded circular saw on Prime day for £69.99, comes with a great sturdy case, nice bit of kit.
it definitely did perform a fair bit better, I think about 30% (it's in the second half of the video somewhere). But we used the same on all tools. Metabo, AEG, Dewalt, Milwaukee all have superior batteries also...
Nice test, fellas. That Hikoki (Metabo HPT, here) is quite impressive! I wish the Metabo was a bit more powerful, but I really appreciate precision. I'm still torn between getting it or the Milwaukee Surge.
I have invested in Dewalt. My decision process comes down to "is this tool so much better than the Dewalt that it's worth it to have another battery type, charger, etc.?" Space in my toolpack is limited.
Great review guys. I think you should have mentioned that the HiKoki is a 36V tool. It must use a large battery and can not run with a slim pack battery. To me, that is a deal breaker. Makita: Best all around impact. Milwaukee: Best performer.
I have makita...but i think,the bosch is 10 steps further.bosch is quality.you kann see this.bosch not want make concurence with another brand...buy the way,your review is the best on entire you tube.gluck!
Milwaukee gear is powerful but I don’t need it that often so its Metabo precision for me. The driver dial is sublime. From oak bearers to pine playthings and easy to damage craft wood jobs it’s so easy to pick the point where the clutch drops out.
Scott Kessler Love that you can come to that mate, so many people look for the numbers and as we stated it’s not all about that. Be happy with the Dark green 🙌🏻👍🏼👍🏼 (we also really enjoyed the dial)
Being able to drop in a 1 point cabinet screw without popping the tip out and damaging a soft surface and then cranking up to drive a 14 gauge batten screw is opposite ends of the scale but possible with the dial. What I would like to know is how the Milwaukee gear handles the heat load from that much work. I get my gear from an industrial tool supplier. They sell Milwaukee but have noted that tools that run hot constantly wear exceptionally fast. I don’t doubt the quality of Milwaukee but some manufacturers, I have been informed, balance power and load vs tool life and maintenance requirements. A tool in the repair shop is not available on the job.
I’ve had AEG since I started my apprenticeship as a sparky 15 years ago. It was a blue 18V hammer drill made in Germany and I still use it daily with not ONE break down! Better yet the new batteries fit it! I also have an orange Rotary hammer and driver, both are brushed and I’ve had them for 6 years, again I have had not one issue with them! They may not be as powerful as Milwaukee but I’ve seen countless Milwaukee’s die that workmates use. The price and quality is definitely on point, if I was doing more heavy duty drilling like a Carpenter etc I might go something else but for what I do the AEG is perfect. Funny thing is I’ve never seen any other sparkies with AEG but ive seen heaps of Carpenters using them!
Im a makita user and love the dtd171 for general use and precision but when it comes to putting in roof and batten screws, hikoki and milwaukee come out on top.
I think your conclusions are pretty much spot on- Makita and Hikoki seem to show the best balance of features as everyday work tools. The practical me would buy the Makita as I already own many tools on their battery platform so this makes sense to me. I've never been disappointed with the quality/reliability of Makita tools either. I'm very keen to try Hikoki tools but I would have to adopt a second battery system.
I use an AEG with a 5ah battery daily. Fir me the price and warranty were the biggest gains. I'm an accessory fitter with Toyota so I don't do a lot of screws. It's very capable but I know the better brands are very good. I just don't need to spend the extra.
This video really conflicts me! I’m in the makita world but just had enough the other day of my combi drill chuck locking up ( each yeah for past 3 years new drill) so got my self a Milwaukee combi drill top of the range. Thing is I need a new impact as its on its last legs. Do I get the Makita or Milwaukee as shown in this video? Such conflicting view on both?!
I noticed for the metabo you used the standard batteries. Have found if used with the lithium ion hd batteries metabo tools perform much much better. Good comparison.
@@dwainott8002 Litium hd is a differnet type of battery :) not amperage :) In Norway you cannot buy that impact with the normal 5,2ah battery, only lihd :) Still a great review :)
![18V Hammer Drill Comparison [2022] - Brushless Makita, Dewalt, Milwaukee, Bosch, Metabo, Hikoki etc](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KTV0aYTIyAs/mqdefault.jpg)
Upgraded from an older 18v kit. th-cam.com/users/postUgkxW1vOBRCMrgTCDEijzpVzDWsgI-Jm2iQv I independently chose the drill and impact tool, before I came across the kit.I like the 3 speed impact gun. It seems more powerful than my older one, and it can be set to be really gentle. The drill is more appropriately sized for my use. I used to have a hammer drill, but I did not like that it was so big and it was not a great hammer drill. I rather have a smaller drill like this, and then get a corded hammer drill for the odd case I need that.
Great video, one of the only that doesn’t simply declare a winner based on speed and power. Very helpful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@OZToolTalk I agree. You guys have the best review. It's not all about power. More versatile if there is control. Really debating keeping my Milwaukee.
I always thought Hikoki's trigger feels loose. Ive ran the Metabo for a while now and i love it. I brought it to work for a day and my Boss has now bought two and three 5.5ah batteries and he has a range of tools over the years like Dewalt, Milwakee, Panisonic and Hikoki, but now hes on the Metabo platform and he will be staying there!
The future is Dark Green!!
Absolutely! It's like festool, these kind of little details are important
Yep, i tried it with the standard drill and it's awesome, like festool but with better price and more power
As long as the boss is HAPPY 😜
Metabo is best
1. HiKoki - comfort + all rounder
2. Makita - solid tool comfortable plus #1 when it comes to a full kit due to sheer variety of all the other tools. Plus Makita has that 32volt grinder of awesome.
3. Milwaukee - Powerful and reliable tool, good kit + awesome exchange warranty..
thanks!
I ended up going with the Makita as I wanted a tool that could be used for a range of functions. I was impressed by the Milwaukee for its raw power though - if they had added a few smarts in terms of different functions/modes it would have been hard to beat. Your testing demonstrates the value of independent reviews - on paper the AEG should have been the most powerful but that didn't show in the results. Cheers
By looking at there hands they used different pressure on each tool.. for example the first test using the hikoki he pushed down using 2 hands.. other ones you can see hes forearm muscles poping out and others just holding it gently.. you cant go by this
@@444slowitdown
they got money from milwauke company haha
The best tool reviews on the net right here gents.
THanks man!
Hey guys I'm from the states and I watch a lot of reviews and just happened to stumble onto your review just now and all I can say is GOOD JOB! Awesome review, I love wow you split the screens to time everything properly and 100% agree with your assessments. Great review you just made me a fan and I'm subscribing to your channel now.
that's what we love to hear! thanks Gregg. [Dwain]
It's crazy how much a battery changes the performance of the Bosch. The ProCore batteries turn it into a completely different tool. On site it's on par with the dewalt and the makita for performance and wipes the floor with the hilti. Do agree it's significantly louder than the others.
TechBuilt Tools and Carpentry VERY hard when you start getting into everyone’s different batts as well :/
It’s a NIGHTMARE !🤦🏻♂️
@@OZToolTalk absolutely! It used to be all about the Ah, its not the case anymore. The cell type ans watt hrs make all the difference now
Some of these tools have significantly more power on more advanced batteries. We don't particularly care about the change in runtime (on the impact driver specifically)
Guys I’m so impressed by this vid. A lot of other tool reviews are biased, sponsored or done by Americans.. awesome work
Thanks Mark! :D
Bosch with the core battery is a pleasure to use! Excellent build quality and perfect amount of speed and balance for me.
Thanks for sharing
Again, another great video guys. You guys hands down, do the best tool reviews on TH-cam. Your multi split screen comparisons are the best! Love it!! Will always come here before buying any tools in the future.
thanks so much mate! appreciate your support!
I use Makita at work and Hikoki at home. Both great tools. But prefer the way the Hikoki feels in the hand. Thanks for the video!
Just got the DTD171Z and I must say I'm impressed with how compact and powerful it is, not mentioning their whole 18V lineup is stacked
its cracked
When I decided to commit to a platform, I looked at most of those brands but I chose Makita because of how good their tools feel in my hands. Lots of good brands out there that’ll do the job but Makita does that and feel like they were made for me. They’re an absolute pleasure to use.
and the impact driver is the flagship of feeling good in the hands!
Nothing beats the milwaukee impact driver I love it soo much its soo versatile I use it about 8-10 hours a day at work as a carpenter I would recommend this if I like lots of power and long run time but if u want a more light and comfortable tool get the makita it's also really good
good feedback cheers
I use Milwaukee and makita. The Milwaukee is tough but they dont last like makita. Makita,Milwaukee,dewalt
Makita all the way. Precision and comfort are huge, power is great. Makita has the longest lasting battery life (longevity). Plus they have been around for 104 years and never sold out. I'd go Makita, Milwaukee, Hikoki
Makita's at a battery longevity disadvantage right now since they lack triple layer batteries or 21700 cells which greatly reduces the stress each cell is subjected to. The larger batteries run much cooler since each cell has to output less current and 21700 cells have double the current output capacity of 18650.
@@FireBarrels Is there any proof that there are consumer tools with 2170 cells in them? I thought only Teslas had them
Why would only Tesla's have them. It's widely known yes, most pro tool companies are utilising 20700 and/or 21700 cells
@@OZToolTalk no they're not. They're all Samsung 18650 cells. Watch one of the 100 battery tear down vids available.
cpt awesome Umm no sorry bud, your wrong. They are not ALL 18650, many companies have moved well past that. (Mike)
For me, Dewalt is number one, just because it’s what I’ve mostly always used and fell in love with. #2 Milwaukee, ya just can’t deny that power that only Milwaukee tools have, I could almost make them tied with #1. #3 Makita, just because I like how they preform as well, and very reliable.
Milwaukee has the power but their collets don't last
First thing I did with my Gen 3 drill and impact driver was to trim that sharp area around the trigger. I used a couple of different hobby knifes and a tiny file. All good now but seriously that is not something that a customer should have to do. It's ridiculous that its not fixed yet.
MrBigblock78 Glad we are not the only ones that thought it wasn’t acceptable. Good you found a fix for it and I will go and do the same 👍🏼
Hope you enjoyed the vid.!
@@OZToolTalk has to be my favourite tool review channel on TH-cam. No BS and real world reviews from actual tradesmen. Your review swayed me to buy my father the Milwaukee M12 Gen 2 combo which he is absolutely in love with. Thanks and keep up the awesome work gents.
MrBigblock78 Thanks for the kind words. We are not ‘tradies’ with tickets btw, but serious enthusiasts and I would say heavy diy.
We do try to be very open and honest and real though.
Thanks again 👍🏼👍🏼
MrBigblock78 I’ve had milwaukee for year got gen 3 broke after couple months not like gen 1 so I’ve started to move to Hilti build lot better
Still have hitachi/hikoki 3.0ah batteries from 2010 going strong.(6x in total) impact still feels brand new (model before one shown in video) only issue i have is limited tool options and availability for battery sizes with their new multivolt range.
07:05 battery comparison
14:40 for the scores
16:30 for their preferences
thanks!
I rewatched this review today, and I have to say that you guys have done a fantastic review. Very enjoyable and unbiased. Keep it up guys! 🍻
thanks man, we try! [Dwain]
Milwaukee first then the Makita, I wouldn't buy anything else. Thanks for the great reviews.
The worst of the worst
@@tbonetbone4159 Makita is good, but dont agree with Milwaukee
I use the Milwaukee it is very powerful, comfortable, and pretty small, I was very surprised it didn't come in first, but the Makita is also a nice and good tool, and the hikoki's triple hammer is nice/different approach!
probably they are drunk
@@stas6911 nah
for the metabo impact driver we use the old battery, with the new LiHD batteries the performance is absolutely superior
Interesting. I was kind of surprised by how slownitnwas
Best Impact driver for Electricians is the Milwaukee M12 impact driver. Don’t need 18V for a impact driver and the lightness and smaller size makes up for the lower power.
I've used both milwuakee and dewalt and dewalt out preformed Milwaukee by a long shot. And being a diesel mechanic really puts these tools to the test.
If you had the most recent model Milwaukee and it had less torque than the Dewalt, then you had a faulty model. What do you mean by out-performed?
I've used all of these except the Bosch, Metabo, and Hikoki(Metabo HPT in America). I personally love how the Hilti feels in the hand. I think it's comfort is way above all the others. I've had longevity and durability problems with Makita and AEG (Ridgid in America). The DeWalt feels pretty good in the hand. It's really light and fast. And finally, there's no denying the power of the Milwaukee. It's unbelievable. It really does have too much to stop itself in the self tap screw mode. Even the M12 Fuel sometimes has too much to stop itself. I've never had the trigger complaint that you guys mentioned but I'll probably notice it now. Great video
cheers, thanks for the feedback!!
Im a 3rd year apprentice and bought the full bosch kit, if i were to go again Milwaukee is the way, they simply have every tool in the business
It depends on the profession yea. I would say Bosch has the best battery tech and the wireless charging ones are really cool.
@@Fekillix Well im a sparky but i do have 3 8x A/ hour batteries which i do like
@@dimitrilouskos5037 It is interesting how professions usually choose different brands. Every plumber I have met has Milwaukee. Electricians are 90% Bosch. Carpenters 90% Makita and tinsmiths 90% Panasonic.
In the olden days when tools had cords, it didn't matter what you bought..you just plugged it in and it worked. Now we are tied into battery platforms. I have 35 dewalt batteries in the truck, ranging from the 2ah slims to the 9 ah flexvolt, so for me, I'm only really going to use the dewalt impact driver. Another thing to note is i tend to select a battery to suit the job I'm doing, at least half of the time it's only running a slim 2ah for finer work, better balance and lightweight. I hardly ever use an impacty for bugles tho...the noise will drive you nuts, just end up using the 3speed drill in low..so much easier on the ears 😉 good review as usual guys 🤗
I hear ya mate!! [Dwain]
Great review guys --thanks! I have to throw my hat into the Makita ring. Going all day driving deck screws, lags, whatever --comfort and finesse are really important to me. All these impacts have enough power and battery life to get my jobs done but something that feels good in my hand and doesn't break or over drive chit is where I come out.
Did you notice any serious differences in chuck wobble? Would love if you could test that next time, especially with makita having the new dual bearing. Other than that fantastic job!
didn't notice it, but didn't look for it sorry. Should have.
I honestly haven't had any dramas with my Gen 2 drill (or impact driver) other than the sharp area on the housing around the trigger. Some people are reporting trigger issues where it binds up or chuck issues where it loosens off during drilling but I had no such issues with my one. I haven't used it on hammer setting though as I use my bigger rotary hammer drill for that sort of stuff. Performance wise it has performed exceptionally well I think.
My top two are Dewalt and makita.
Dewalt because it’s light, easy to use, has a huge amount of power and three leds. Makita because it’s compact, has all that speed selection, has two leds and has the best grip I’ve ever felt on a tool. My third would be Bosch because of the built in socket adapter.
Fur and Feather Farm Andrew des Roches Nice work sussing that out 👍🏼 (now let’s see how we go with the dropsaw after our Instagram chat 😜) (mike)
Hilti is from Liechtenstein boys.
Great comparison again as always! Keep it up
Cheers!
Awesome review guys I been a Makita fan for probably 5years. still buying their tools. impact and reciprocating saw last purchases never been happier.
Good to hear! [DWain]
The Hilti is on low power. Its the three light bar above the battery. Max it out and see how much faster it is. One out of three is low torque mode.
Phlutterfly They should redo it with Hilti on high torque mode. They screwed them over.
People were saying the same thing about the Bosch. I don't understand why people think we don't understand how 3-speeds work :/
So you understand that on setting one (one bar full) the SID4 A22 impact driver is power at 531 inch pounds of torque at 1000rpm?
Setting two (two bars full) is 973 inch pounds of torque at 1500rpm
Setting three (full bars) is 1717 inch pounds at 2700 rpm
Sounds like you don’t understand because you had the tool on a low torque/speed setting.
1200+ inch pounds of torque less than capable? This is a garbage review in my opinion.
The Hilti got skrewed in the comparisons!
Have always had makita gear but made the change to HiKoki not long ago, and absolutely stoked with the gear. The 36v/18v multivolt system is what sold it to me, batteries last forever, comfort I would rate about the same as the makita but seems to have the edge when it comes to grunt. Would be happy with either, but I'm liking hikoki just that bit more.
Didn't Makita come out with the 36v/18v set - up before HiKoki?
@@jamesadams7131 makita does do 36v tools but it requires putting 2x batteries in the tool, fine for a drop saw but makes a grinder a bit unwieldy.
I'd be interested to see how the AEG performed with a Fusion Battery. I can't compare it to much, but its night when I switch.
Yeah there were big power increases, especially on the 3Ah Force HD, which we put up in the wrap up. [Dwain]
I am a chippy who also builds furniture. I could not pick one. I have a Milwaukee kit for the rough stuff, a makita kit for fit out and metabo for all the finer stuff.
I will say my Milwaukee tools have been back in the shop countless times ! Which would be very annoying if I did not have spares.
Never had a drama with makita or matabo.
Metabo just feels amazing !
But beside from everything if I had to pick one brand it would be matabo. Feel aside there is just something about it that I can't describe. Love it
cheers CJ, i hear ya. there's some great tools around! I love my Metabo tools too.
Milwaekee been great for me for years but any of these are amazing tools, enjoyed the video lads!!
cheers rotor!
I have the Hikoki platform. Happy to be second place. Works like a charm.
It wasn't second place, it was equal first! Mike just likes the Makita a tad more as a personal preference. [Dwain]
@@OZToolTalk true, my bad
Hikoki is my favourite been using it for years no problem.I have the Milwaukee and makita drivers as well.i gave them to my appearances to use
nice Steven :D Such a great impact
Oz Tool Talk
GREAT GUYS! Thanks again. I know how much Mike dislikes doing these lol. Thanks mate! I follow tools far too heavily. So much so I can quote model numbers and manufacturing plants of some manufacturers hahaha. So here’s my opinion from first hand experience with some of them and also what I’ve learned from guys like you ;)
The Milwaukee 18V Fuel Gen 3 is so powerful.. SO. POWERFUL.
I’ve snapped everything from screws to bolts to impact bits. It’s SO powerful, it can actually destroy things lol. Good when you need the power, but bad when your breaking impact bits regularly.
Personally I opted last fall to upgrade a lot of my cordless platform to Milwaukee. It DOES lack finesse, it CAN be clunky.. but as Mike said: you can’t refute that power. And when you need power, that’s the clear winner.
Additionally they have really taken the industry lead in the past 2 to 3 years and have expanded to so many tools it’s hard to deny their presence as a dominator. They were the creators of the Sawzall among other great tools.
As a remodeler/handyman who works for himself, I don’t own corded tools anymore. Also I don’t own a vast array of tools simply because they’re very expensive. Who wouldn’t own every tool they possibly could if they had the ability lol. So for me, if I need to drive a fastener into something hard, I need raw power - bottom line. And I need the strongest driver out there to do it: Milwaukee Gen 3 impact driver.
I will admit the drawbacks of the Milwaukee are the light is awkwardly placed, it lacks power settings/options, and I absolutely hate the battery release buttons on the side. They drive me nuts! Yet I’ve never had the pinch. So I’m mostly team Red, but i choose what I need mostly based on the best version of a tool that suits me, followed by its battery platform.
I grew up on the DeWalt back in the 14V days in the States lol. So I’m always inclined to reach for them. However I feel like the performance has definitely lagged behind. For years they were an industry leader (at least in my area). And while I would still put them in the top of the pack, they are my last choice of the headliners. I think they have great comfort, but it seems to me like a lot of their tools have the most vibration and that’s enough to wear your hands out at the end of each day.
Makita just seems like a gentleman. Always has enough power. Always a top performer. Always a top finisher. Might not always be number one, but it’s design and features give it class & comfort, and that is something that you cannot deny. And their batteries are easier to remove! Very slow to charge but easier to remove. A real winner no matter what.
-Bosch is a hit or miss for power tools compared to others. Some seem to perform great, and others are just mediocre.
-Hilti is primarily industrial or commercial. Sure I could buy them, but they’re also very $. They have a stellar warranty, but that’s why people like my father who is in a union uses them. That’s what those companies need, a long warranty for heavy industrial use.
-Metabo cordless isn’t very popular either, especially for residential work. Corded tools dominate in unions and big companies, but I do neither. So no Metabo for me.
-AEG i can’t compare in the States. Looks just like Rigid who seems to have a reputation similar to AEG for you guys: some love’em, some hate’em ha ha.
-Hikoki also isn’t as mainstream, although they are working on it! I have seen a lot of great stuff regarding some of their tools. But they just aren’t everywhere.. yet. They’re not really that hard to acquire, but the variety and vastness of the other mainstream heavy hitters here provides for more options. And once you’re already on a battery platform, if you invest heavily in that platform, it’s just easier to stick with that platform because as you guys said: any selection will get the job done. It’s your preference for whatever your reasons are.
That leads me to the top 3:
1. Milwaukee
2. Makita
3. DeWalt
4. Hikoki for honorable mention!
Power: Milwaukee
Comfort and Control: Makita
DeWalt: it’s just everywhere lol
Warranty (here): Milwaukee unless you can afford Hilti.
Best new features: Hikoki & Bosch.
The multi-use head on the Bosch is stellar. And the Hikoki - IVE SEEN THAT THING RUN UNDER WATER LOL.
Well that’s all I got Gents! Thanks again and keep the content coming!
Cheers
Quite the post Mj! Thanks for your support and feedback. You're awesome.
Great reply. Pretty much agree with everything you say, except your comment about Makita batteries being slow to recharge? With the fast charger I think they are the fastest of all the brands.
Chris P I’ll have to check that out! Awesome thanks!
Consistantly the best tool review/compare channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work guys!
thanks man! We're proud of our comparisons. [Dwain]
This is one of the best tool comparisons i've seen!. It's like watching a horse race with commentary.
thanks bud :D appreciate the support! [Dwain]
Hahahaha, made my day... >>> Yep, it is, hahahaha
Sweet vid boys. My top 3:
1. Makita - maybe I'm a bit biased, but I've always loved Makita's impacts.
2. Milwaukee - can't deny the raw power.
3. Hilti - not the fastest or flashiest, but I'd bet my money that if you bought it that thing will last you the rest of your damn life.
One thing I was pleased with was how well the DeWalt did. It's the impact that I personally own. It's one of the oldest units (maybe only the hilti is older?) and yet it kept up just fine with the brand new releases of the other pro brands, and even beat most of them out in raw power. Considering it is a previous gen tool, I think it was really impressive in this comparison. Can't wait to see DeWalt's next gen impact, I kind of hope they don't get into a pissing contest with Milwaukee and try out-do its power at the expense of precision and quality, but I feel like that's exactly what they're going to do, because well it's DeWalt...
Thanks for the video lads!
Hey man, you're not wrong. I run the Dewalt daily too and it does well. It's the oldest in the group by a fair margin. All the others were pretty new! [Dwain]
I have the Hikoki oj the 18V platform. If you have hands that are on the smaller side and you need to use an impact driver comfortably for several hours a day, this is definitely one to consider. And the sound of a Hikoki is thrilling in a way that only skilled Japanese craftsmen can achieve. The katana of power tools. It is consistent, reliable and will always do what is asked of it. Makita ergonomics are good as well, just a bit less fit for my taste, even though I owned Makita tools prior to trying out Hikoki. I have the impression the American brands tend to focus less on ergonomics and more on specs. A good local hardware store will always try to sell you what is right for you, not what gets them the most profit. And I'm thankful mine recommended Hikoki
great feedback cheers
Milwaukee hands down. Everyone doesn't have good finger control so I can understand why some people prefer other brands. But Milwaukee gets the job done for me
has,nothing to do with trigger control. Milwaukee has alot of trigger malfunctions
i'm a fan of dewalt. i got the flex volt on mine and today i had to drive 2inch into pine and particle board i did that on setting one untill to came to making it flush where i had to slow trigger setting 2. so it wasnt to bad there maybe if it had 4 settings that would be great but with some others having 10 settings i think it way overkill and would get confusing to the home diy guys. the only thing about having the flex volt on my driver/ drill is that it get heavy fast and makes it difficult to maneuver around but allows me to use my other flex volt tools
I just got the Makita dtd171z , it’s awesome
Man I wish Bosch had a decent 18V impact driver. I own so many Bosch 18V tools and I love them.
I think their ID's are good! Just not class leading. [Dwain]
I have some doubts. Why they chose gdx a combi instead of gdr (impact driver)? Secondly why they did not use procore batteries?
First of all: great testing, really enjoy your channel. But I wonder why you presented the Bosch GDX with a procore battery and then compared it's power using an old one... just curious if the procore would have made a difference. What do you think?
we used all the impact drivers on their 5Ah batteries to create a level playing field. we showed the approximate power gains by using the larger premium batteries for viewers info. cheers [Dwain]
Sweet, cheers from Germany :) you actually explained within the video 😅. I had watched this one before the single test - and watching the single one I was like "hold on, they had the battery!" - and forgot your explanation. Sorry guys...
I have the the Hitachi triple hammer and the only concern I have is that the handle is too tin and thus not so comfortable for my hands. Otherwise it is an amazing, precise and versatile tool, no matter if you put small screws on a soft material, large one on something harder or drilling with it. There is mode for everything. And It is just so light and small. And the 3Ah battery on it lasts a long time.
As always the best tool reviews on TH-cam. I think you might be the only ones to test precision and ergonomics, and not just do some silly power test. If I hate using it, and it can't do the work I need to do with precision, the power is useless.
Thanks mate! Yeah, there's more to life than power!
I notice you putting more pressure on the Milwaukee!!!
It's your imagination..., does he put pressure on Hikoki too?!!!
@@politic17 Not imagination it is fact Milwaukee fan boy ... lucky the chuck did not fail ..
Makita no.1 plus wide range of tools on one battery platform.
cheers Greg!
👍🇯🇵🏁 Makita no1!
Millwaukee has more options and fuel is a better product
Makita the top
Another amazing video. Very comprehensive. Really appreciate you guys taking the time for testing them.
cheers Jack!!
Did you guys use the self tapping screw mode on the milwaukee when doing the precision test. That is a great feature and is very precise when doing plasterboard or small screws. Gun just shuts off when the screw head is flush. Dont think any other drivers have this. So the gun is very precise.
hi Stefan. Yes we've played around with the S mode on the Milwaukee driver in all it's iterations since Milwaukee implemented it. It is a very helpful mode.... for one or two specific applications. I don't think it helps much for plaster, that isn't what it's made for. cheers, Dwain
As both a Makita and Hikoki (and Hitachi) user you could say I am very happy with the outcome of this camparison :-). Really hard to pick a #3 though. I would love to go Hilti but once you price the things they aren't great value for money. I guess Milwaukee should get #3 on power alone. Great vid, really enjoyed it!
Lucky you :D
I've had the DTD171 for pretty much all of 2019, I got one for a smoking deal from a local tool supply Rep early this year. Absolutely love it. Small, comfortable, tons of power. It's awesome...only problem is when someone uses it, they like it too much and think they can keep borrowing it during that day lol
such a great driver [Dwain]
was it made in japan or made in china? any difference?
@@sweeyong7756 pretty sure everything Makita purchased in North America is from China now.
Yes there is a difference, my older one that was made in Japan is inferior in comparison lol
That power comes with a cost on Milwaukee I used to run all Milwaukee but had so many break downs I turned to makita which I believe is better build quality
Makita for me as well, never the most powerful but never had anything Makita fail inside 3 years. As for Milwaukee every tool of theirs except for the m12 ratchet and compressor has failed on me well before warranty. That said they are usually the cheapest name brand for me.
@@dazaspc really? I must be using my 99% percent of my. Milwaukee wrong then😂. At least did they warranty the tools out?
@@melsmobileservices4223 I have had Mains angle grinders and they all failed 7 of them {5" and 9"}, in a workshop with community use. I didn't return 5 for warranty because I believe they were overloaded by grinding. The other couple were broken triggers. They were also cooked eventually. Early on I had some of the M18 cordless stuff the drill failed electronically it was replaced no prob, both battery failed in 14 months each just stopped holding a decent charge. I never bothered with those as I just kept on with the Makita stuff. The M12 stuff has been pretty good I have warranted a torch as the LED failed and a replacement LED is not available, The chuck on the drill I have replaced. The impact driver is still working fine but I don't think it gets much use. I personally use the sander and ratchet and haven't had a problem with either. The Makita range doesn't have light duty tools hidden in the range {Dewalt, Bosch} like some other brands, they are all pretty much equal. Not the cheapest, most powerful, lightest or have the fancy features but have a better duty cycle. The battery's seem to hang in there mostly with a couple of years use and I still have one in use that is 7 years old and running well enough to not get rejected.
Milwaukee isn't junk they just don't handle abuse, sadly the tools in my shop get abused. There are times where that wouldn't be a worry for example the driver as tested. It's ability to cut fastener time in half will make a big difference, saving man hours is a big cost incentive, if I needed to use that type of unit on a daily basis I would just get a second unit held in reserve. Probably still cheaper than the high end/price units and way more productive. It does however depend on what you are doing. The one thing Milwaukee does well is a huge range of varied tools that many others wont touch and their consumables are easy to obtain {band saw blades etc} compared to other brands.
@Pavel Melnichuk ???? Hasn't been my experience.
@Pavel Melnichuk Next grinder fail Ill give one a go but I find that hard to believe. The Makita grinders are lasting 2 1/2 years on average, The longest a Milwaukee has ever lasted me was 9 months in a 5". I haven't bothered with them for 8 years. I think you are having a lend of me
I have become a fan of Makita lately.. I have also used Bosch, and they all seem great.
I am a Mikita fan too now, bought dewalt few times, but returned it cause didn't like drill wobble, makita has none pretty much
As a Japanese , satisfied to see Japanese brands did well and stable,
but.....I was planning to buy my first electric drill driver or impact.
I liked Bosch pro 10.8 series cuz their design looks so good(blue one).They look cool don’t they? I’m no pro just buying for fun, but seeing Bosch’s bad performance,......Hikoki might be the best choice. SK11(Fujiwara)or Kimo(China)is on my mind tho.
I’m interested in US brands like Dewalt & Milwaukee but when you buying it in Japan it cost even more than Japanese brands so I had no chance using it.
hard to beat the Japanese brands in impact drivers! I love them!
Hikoki
Makita
Awesome review guys, great job👍
thanks Darryl!
Ive tested most of these. But my milwaukee doesnt pinch at all also the 1 key milwaukee actually allows u to customize the rpm completely for total control for whatever u do
cheers
I’ve only just come across you guys as I research for a new brushless hammer drill/driver plus impact driver combo. It’s fantastic to find an Aussie tool comparison period, let alone such a good one. I love the precision measure you’ve added, as it doesn’t all come down to power. Love the split screen too - works an absolute treat. I’m going to watch your drill comparo too, but would you choose for yourself if you were buying a kit? There will be some pluses and minuses for each brand that have to be weighed up. A tough one!
Thanks for the love Craig! It's great to be appreciate, and by Aussies no less :)
We can't really come in here and play favourites. But I reckon if you add the combined scores of the hammer drill comparison and this one, it'd give you a pretty good feel for the brands that we score best :)
Good day! Thanks for this super test !
As for me : 1) Dewalt for the power and the general comfort, 2) Makita coz it's light and very precise, a pleasure to use. Would love to test the Hikoki too :-)
FYI, Makita also has a 10.8V impact driver which is one of my preferred tool ever : super compact, super light, extremely friendly to use for a large range of applications and suprisingly powerful. Super nice tool (apart of course for super heavy duty work requireing extreme torque and power).
cheers jean-marc!
Great review, I’ve got the Hikoki (Metabo HPT here in the states) thing rocks!!
CHeers
I have watched probably 12 video comparisons and this is by far the best most comprehensive and professional. Just what I wanted before my purchase. Can't decide between Makita and Mil for my needs. Its all about reliability more than power for me.
Thanks man, we tried really hard! If you're looking for extreme reliability in an impact driver, I'd be personally looking into Metabo, Hilti, Hikoki, Makita.
@@OZToolTalk Thanks
I own 98% Milwaukee Cordless tools (M18 & M12). I love Makita as well but I am super interested in the Multivolt line from Hikoi. I been seeing nothing but great products on the Multivolt platform that are also affordable & have different feature when compared to other brands.
Mel's Mobile Services They are certainly kicking some serious goals !
Im on the same boat as you 😂😂😂....got my dad 36v hikoki....after his cassette style Hitachi got stolen....he loves the things to death....so much he keeps it in his bedroom (so it doesn't get stolen again...nothing kinky)....planning to get the old made in japan makita impact driver to play around with....but 95% of my tools are also Milwaukee.....but haven't had anything die on me yet and my warranty is almost up...
@@dickphan my gen1 M12 1/4 hex impact died after 6 years of everyday heavy mechanics shop use. I still using every battery I ever purchased since than so im not mad.
The hikoki is 18v and 5ah, but the multivolt battery can do both 2,5 ah and 36v or 18v and 5ah. So you are able to use the battery with the old Hitachi tools and the new hikoki tools, and both 18v and 36v that's pretty cool
thats true :D
I have had hitachi drills in the past and have the new impact/drill set up also. Love them. I would take these over Makita any day as makitas battery's are terrible. They go dead with any cold and charge doesnt last when they got older. See colleagues constantly struggling with dead batteries.
They use same batterys as the dewalt, samsung batterys. The issue that isnt a issue, makita batterys have a saftey shut off. So you cant drain the battery past 12v, all the over batterys go completely dead. They have this feature so the batterys last longer, tbh i have never had a battery issue with my makitas sets. And i have batterys pushing 5years
All of my cordless is DeWalt 20 and 60V and I've been very happy. The only minor gripe I have is I wish they'd tone down the stylizing a bit. Luckily looks are the least of my worries when it comes to tools, but they could chill out a bit in that department.
cheers B B
1. Makita (wish it was made in Japan tho)
2. Milwaukee (feel like it wont last a long time, its putting way to much power out. Like owning a 1000hp daily driving car )
3. HiKoki
Yep...3 of my top brands im getting....im getting the old makita that was made in japan..
They're tough mate, im a plumber and are so rough with my Milwaukee! And still havent broken them and thats 4 years now
do like i did. the XDT16 is also sold under a different number DTD171 same device. just made in Japan!. the only downside is the keypad is in Japanese, but thats a non issue.
Bosch has 3 powers set. The video is not clear which set was used, and the speed shown seems it is using the weakest and slow speed.
All tools (including the Bosch) are set on max speed for all power and speed tests.
The AEG is not in it's most powerful mode on these tests, you either have it on the setting for selt tapping screws or it's slowest speed. Also, that isn't the 300nm model.
sorry Brad but that just isn't true. And AEG provided this themselves, and it said 300 Nm right there on the box ....
@@OZToolTalk yeah, I'm looking again, you're right I'm wrong.
I got the Hikoki 18v after seeing this video I love it. The driver just pumps through the screws into all my chipboard. My other work mate has a mikita, and talked it up heaps used mine and was blown away by the power. Actually had to be careful with power made cause the screws can just go straight through the chipboard.
nice one Cameron. It really is a superb impact driver.
is no one going to talk about the ip rating on the hi koki? its a tool you can use in the rain! also ive burnt out a makita putting in 100mm bugles just cause its vents at the back were covered by my hand. now vent placement is one thing i look for.
we forgot to mention IP56! That's so huge!
For the precision I am going for the Milwaukee Surge (hydraulic impact) all day long, as well as for comfort, might be not as powerful as most of those but it suits my needs perfectly, so far, the best impact driver I have used.
Good feedback, cheers
@@OZToolTalk 👍 Great review, btw!
I have a surge and I think it's superior to other impacts because it impacts at the least amount of resistance so there's no stripping of a screw head. Other impacts wait until there's alot of torque applied then they impact and sometimes you have to push on the drill before it impacts so the screw wont strip
Milwaukee, Dewalt and makita are the powerhouses. Ive seen all three beaten and worn and still trucking after 5 years.
you need to use the force batteries with the AEG Fusion tools for it to get maximum power and torque
Hilti, Milwaukee in that order (I own both) Makita 3rd. Another great review guys!
Dave Sheppard.
Thanks for the comprehensive review. Bosch didn't perform too well, but I will say they make some damn reliable tools. I've been using the same GBH-4-DFE hammer drill for years and years and it's seen a LOT of work, yet it still works flawlessly every time I need to use it. Even though the Bosch came last, I honestly still might buy it. I just find their tools so robust.
The new Bosch they're using here is optimised for use with Bosch's new ProCore batteries. These deliver more power. They're using Bosch's old batteries in the test. Still don't think the Bosch would have won it but it would've performed better.
@@BischBaschBosch Thanks, I've been checking them out as I only have the normal style batteries at the moment. Trying to build up my collection. Waiting for a good deal on the 200C that comes with the L-BOXX. I just picked up the GKS 190 corded circular saw on Prime day for £69.99, comes with a great sturdy case, nice bit of kit.
it definitely did perform a fair bit better, I think about 30% (it's in the second half of the video somewhere). But we used the same on all tools. Metabo, AEG, Dewalt, Milwaukee all have superior batteries also...
Nice test, fellas. That Hikoki (Metabo HPT, here) is quite impressive! I wish the Metabo was a bit more powerful, but I really appreciate precision. I'm still torn between getting it or the Milwaukee Surge.
Mmm tough choices!!
I have invested in Dewalt. My decision process comes down to "is this tool so much better than the Dewalt that it's worth it to have another battery type, charger, etc.?" Space in my toolpack is limited.
I'm totally with you. No space in my ute for other chargers etc ....
i have the m18 gen 3 for big jobs that require a stupid amount of power and the m12 gen 2 for all other tasks that require less raw power
Great review guys. I think you should have mentioned that the HiKoki is a 36V tool. It must use a large battery and can not run with a slim pack battery. To me, that is a deal breaker.
Makita: Best all around impact. Milwaukee: Best performer.
we did mention it's voltage. but that's a good point re: slim batteries!
Hadn’t thought of that and it’s a good point for people who weight is a bigger issue
I have makita...but i think,the bosch is 10 steps further.bosch is quality.you kann see this.bosch not want make concurence with another brand...buy the way,your review is the best on entire you tube.gluck!
Milwaukee gear is powerful but I don’t need it that often so its Metabo precision for me. The driver dial is sublime. From oak bearers to pine playthings and easy to damage craft wood jobs it’s so easy to pick the point where the clutch drops out.
Scott Kessler Love that you can come to that mate, so many people look for the numbers and as we stated it’s not all about that.
Be happy with the Dark green 🙌🏻👍🏼👍🏼 (we also really enjoyed the dial)
Being able to drop in a 1 point cabinet screw without popping the tip out and damaging a soft surface and then cranking up to drive a 14 gauge batten screw is opposite ends of the scale but possible with the dial. What I would like to know is how the Milwaukee gear handles the heat load from that much work. I get my gear from an industrial tool supplier. They sell Milwaukee but have noted that tools that run hot constantly wear exceptionally fast. I don’t doubt the quality of Milwaukee but some manufacturers, I have been informed, balance power and load vs tool life and maintenance requirements. A tool in the repair shop is not available on the job.
They are the best and they run longer. Milwaukee batteries are rubbish.
I’ve had AEG since I started my apprenticeship as a sparky 15 years ago. It was a blue 18V hammer drill made in Germany and I still use it daily with not ONE break down! Better yet the new batteries fit it! I also have an orange Rotary hammer and driver, both are brushed and I’ve had them for 6 years, again I have had not one issue with them! They may not be as powerful as Milwaukee but I’ve seen countless Milwaukee’s die that workmates use. The price and quality is definitely on point, if I was doing more heavy duty drilling like a Carpenter etc I might go something else but for what I do the AEG is perfect. Funny thing is I’ve never seen any other sparkies with AEG but ive seen heaps of Carpenters using them!
Good feedback, thanks man!!
Second that. Aeg are fantastic.. they don’t die
Im a makita user and love the dtd171 for general use and precision but when it comes to putting in roof and batten screws, hikoki and milwaukee come out on top.
how come
@@Volfas not as much power as the other 2
I think your conclusions are pretty much spot on- Makita and Hikoki seem to show the best balance of features as everyday work tools. The practical me would buy the Makita as I already own many tools on their battery platform so this makes sense to me. I've never been disappointed with the quality/reliability of Makita tools either. I'm very keen to try Hikoki tools but I would have to adopt a second battery system.
Nice Tom :)
I use an AEG with a 5ah battery daily. Fir me the price and warranty were the biggest gains. I'm an accessory fitter with Toyota so I don't do a lot of screws. It's very capable but I know the better brands are very good. I just don't need to spend the extra.
Thanks for your reviews! Could you compare the AEG 18V Fusion 6 Mode Impact Driver with Makita's DTD171?
What an absolute awesomeness of a video! Man, Milwaukee is killing the game
thanks Cristian!
I get the AEG-ridgid thing, but since when is Hitachi called hikoki? Also you called your seconds mins.
HiKoki is just a re-brand of Hitachi. Except in the US where they are branded Metabo-HPT.
@@OZToolTalk We have Hitachi and metabo in the us. But I dont know why they would need to rebrand them, especially with such a close name.
This video really conflicts me!
I’m in the makita world but just had enough the other day of my combi drill chuck locking up ( each yeah for past 3 years new drill) so got my self a Milwaukee combi drill top of the range. Thing is I need a new impact as its on its last legs. Do I get the Makita or Milwaukee as shown in this video? Such conflicting view on both?!
I noticed for the metabo you used the standard batteries. Have found if used with the lithium ion hd batteries metabo tools perform much much better. Good comparison.
we spoke specifically about this in the wrap up :) thanks
@@dwainott8002 Litium hd is a differnet type of battery :) not amperage :) In Norway you cannot buy that impact with the normal 5,2ah battery, only lihd :) Still a great review :)
I liked this approach. Instead of just comparing power you looked at a realistic opinion of how the tool will feel using it everyday
cheers Wade, we tried hard! [Dwain]
wow these reviews are amazing! keep up the good work lads
Thanks a ton!