@ Well @ least Chill is back in Hell where he belongs after what he did to Waynes. Still serves that freak right, he deserved to be killed, just glad Bruce didn't do it
@Jim Pickens I think the intention behind that shot is to build up tension with the fact that Bruce is hiding a gun. It's also very unlikely that the Judge would have put Chill back in prison because he had been bought out by Falcone to bring Chill out in the open.
I think Joe was more scared that Bruce would say something like "YOU'RE A MURDERER, I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL FOR WHAT YOU DID TO MY PARENTS." and that it would maybe change the judge's mind or something.
Bale blows me away in this courtroom scene. You can see just how suffocated he is by his anger and grief when Joe chill stands and speaks. You can see that he just wants to unload that gun into Chill right there and then but you can see also just how resigned he is to Gotham letting Chill go. He knows only he can deliver justice. It'll only be worth something if it's by his hand. And we can all relate to those feelings of pain and sadness at some point in our lives.
Well because Bale is a fantastic actor and really gets across what's needed. he says nothing but the way he emotes that swallowing of his rage and guilt. like it's smothering him at this moment. Then he infuses his body language into the scene. how rigidly he's sitting there almost like he's afraid to breathe cause he might let all that crap loose. Then he gets up robotically and walks away because he's already miles away thinking about unloading bullets into chill. The scene continues in the corridor when he comes upon chill and nearly goes through with it. It's not just this one scene. Nolan builds up to this moment.
Got to appreciate the irony that Falcone ended up playing a significant role in creating Batman. If Bruce kills Joe Chill instead of someone hired by Falcone doing the job, Bruce never goes down the path to becoming Batman, and Falcone is still controlling Gotham.
If Bruce Wayne was charged in killing joe chill I believe there would be a massive outpouring of support for bruce Wayne as bruce would have done what most people would have done. Also he could reasonably claim temporary insanity as joe chill was the man that killed his parents and seeing him possibly be acquitted sent a surge of crippling intense rage into his mind clouding his reasonable judgement.
@@anarchistatheist1917 But the fact that he brought the "gun" to the courtroom probably wouldn't be able to win the court's support at all. If Bruce Wayne had punched Chill to death or something , yeah maybe... But bringing a gun to a freaking courtroom would be considered as a planned murder, not a murder committed by a momentarily mistake.
This is what makes Batman and Joker 2 sides of the same coin. Both experienced traumatic events but both went down different paths one to serve justice to a corrupt city and the other relishing in the chaos and feeding its flame.
This film was made in a time where comic book films had cheesy 2000s colour grading, edgy music, rubber suits, and horrendous writing. This film and Mr Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man were the exceptions.
Dude the pure hatred in Bruces eyes when he sees Chill stand up in the courtroom like holy shit man, lets face it we all have felt that way and thought about hurting or even killing someone for revenge and telling ourselves that it will make you feel better.
He didn't deserve to get slapped in the face by Rachel, but what the hell she knows? she didn't have her parents shot and have the guy responsible for that a couple of feet away.
Scary thing is that Bruce seemed like he was actually going to go through with it if Falcone's assassin didn't get to Chill first. Things were that close to Bruce not becoming Batman in this setting.
0:35 I love the music cue here. It’s a revival of the Wayne’s murder scene theme but with a slight twist. Here, it’s still tragic, but it’s a different kind of tragic. It’s not the tragedy of a life being taken, it’s the tragedy of Bruce Wayne going down a dark path.
I did always like this moives take on joe chill and showing that he did actually seem to regret what he did. The look on his face when bruce stands up in the courtroom shows just how much shame he feels for what he did, he can't even bring himself to look round at bruce
@@mattgilbert7347 He didn’t serve his time. He didn’t earn his parole. All he did was just happen to be in the right place at the right time to overhear the plans of another criminal. He was an opportunist, who saw a chance to weasel his way out of his sentence, if he genuinely felt bad for what he did, then he shouldn’t have needed the early parole to testify. Joe Chill was only a rat who was lucky enough to find a pot of cheese at the end of a rainbow. Just one bad guy who sold out an even bigger bad guy.
@@HardcoreLevelingBakais that what happened? I hadn’t seen the film since I was a kid and thought he was paid by him and assassinated to tie up loose ends
Even though the Dark Knight is still my favorite, I gotta say that as years as passed, Batman Begins has gotten better. It tells a complete story of Bruce Wayne which often gets left out as Batman is the real man while Bruce is just the mask
Batman Begins is such an underrated film. Every fan of the trilogy always wants to talk about, and praise The Dark Knight, as well as The Dark Knight Rises, and while it is understood, Batman Begins deserves just as much recognition.
I liken Batman Begins to Spiderman (2002) most consider Spiderman 2 the best of that trilogy and one of the greatest superhero films ever. Just as the TDK is considered one of the greatest if not the greatest superhero film ever. However, the first movie in this epic trilogy is great at telling the story of Batman and setting the tone just as SM1 tells the story of Spiderman. Two iconic heroes with two legendary trilogies.
yeah i think you are right, funny thing is i think Nolan was leveraging something from the events after Kennedy's assassination as a platform to build on for emotional impact and character building; i think it was footage of JFK JR Saluting his father's casket. But i think Nolan with out knowing it leveraged a lot more from the effects of JFK before after death.
2:15 you can see the look on Rachel’s face she looks guilty for letting her friend down for working for someone that supports her friends killer. “She’s like I’m sorry Bruce but this isn’t in my control.”
No it doesn't. It makes you commit an "illegal" act, but that is not morality. That is doing something that a piece of paper and some scholars decided is wrong... It isn't evil to take revenge on someone who took life for no reason. Innocent people and guilty people are not equal, their human value is not the same. And revenge is not about Bruce feeling better for his own self, it is about justice. Him being Batman also does not bring back his parents or heal the pain... But it helps others and is just. Killing Chill would do the same thing for Gotham... It would protect future potential victims of his while also respecting the soul of his parents and not allowing their lives to be worth less than a criminal's life.
So much parallel here with the Joker movie. Bruce using the same type of gun to kill Chill that Chill used to kill his parents, and Joker used to kill Murray.
Bruce hated Joe Chill in all his heart for what he did to his parents. And he was consumed by vengeance and anger. But the true mastermind of manipulation of good and bad is Ra's al Ghul.
Damn, Bruce was seriously about to kill the man. He was both relieved and pissed that someone barely beat him to it. Bruce was seriously spared. Rachel - we don’t need to see this. Bruce - I do. Me - C’mon Rachel! Can you really blame him?
but unfortunately for Chill, he had to pay ULTIMATE price for his crime, Bruce may not have killed him, but Chill got his comepaunce just the same, sparring Bruce of going darker, good enough as long as Villain who did this to Bruce paid dearly
The outdoor scene was filmed at the Senate House cloisters, if anyone is wondering. It's London University's HQ. Nolan studied at UCL, one of UoL's constituent colleges (and the best one, it's superior to KCL in pretty much every way ^^)
3:18 the rage inside grows larger as Bruce comes closer to face the man who killed his beloved parents. Bruce's face is completely influenced by vengeance. Chill, on the other hand, walks in a hurry like he's nervous or scared of the son of the couple he killed years before. I wonder if Chill noticed the hidden gun that slowly appears from Bruce's coat sleeve. The rage is real, man.
i also love the complexity of just what grief is, is being portrayed in this whole scene/trilogy. Bruce is suffering as a young man. consumed with pain, helplessness, self loathing but we also see that the FEAR theme that Nolan uses for this movie is very prevalent here. Bruce is consumed by vengeance and very unhappy here. But he's young and undefined and that is key. he thinks this will fix everything. that shooting chill will give him closure. will make that pain heal. Bale plays this petulant, naive, reckless and immature bruce. the way he talks to Alfred when he first returns home from the school, the boy with the crush when he sees Rachel in the kitchen,, when she shows him the barrens etc but he's stagnant, he's stuck in this pain and doing nothing to move forward. he acts in this angry but helpless way. he hasn't taken control of his destiny yet and is very much lost. "if you let it your anger will consume you" he's brought a gun. we can tell by the way he acts that he has never used it. he goes to the courtroom intending to shoot chill. but when the judge asks for a Wayne family member's opinion on the verdict about to be delivered to release chill? nothing comes out of Bruce's mouth. he is choked and suffocated by his grief and hate, but especially his fear. look at Bale when the camera is on him in the courtroom. he's impotent with his emotions. rigid and barely moving except for his breathing. it's so bad that he can't even speak what he is afraid of (GRIEF) Bale's Bruce's heart is racing because he's terrified of what he wants to do. he gets up robotically miles away already and then leaves. but then Bale shows Bruce again having to psyche himself up to go shoot chill. i mean there is a complexity of emotion here but the leading ones are HATE, GRIEF and FEAR. FEAR has him stuck, it has him afraid to speak to that court of just what chill took from him. it has him afraid of himself and it has him afraid of facing his grief head on. look at Bale after chill is shot. look at his face. this is the moment he realizes along with that shock, he got nothing from this. there is zero catharsis even in watching chill die. this is the wrong path. Like Bale/Nolan are brilliant. because they both understand and are portraying a man broken by grief, a man arrested by grief. that in this more grounded version of Batman. Nolan will take Bruce on a character study through the trilogy and let him heal and move forward. That Batman is not the answer. It's the issue. Batman while very noble stops Bruce having to face his true emotions. I mean this trilogy is beautiful because even through the themes and villains we are looking at one big grief study of Bruce Wayne
I bet there is a lot of us who know how Bruce feels going to these parole hearings. Wanting to do everything you can to keep the person who took your loved one behind bars. I still do that to make sure my Uncle's murderer and never gets out even when he claims that hes a changed man.
Its' amazing how a good majority of the cast is Brittish. Meaning they all flew half way around the world to act an American Movie when there's plenty of American Actors in the states that could have done so.
Just realized that Judge Faden is the same guy that was sitting in the seat a few steps away from Falcone in the scene where Bruce Wayne confronted him to show him "not everyone was afraid of him". Nice detail.
This is what separates Batman from Bane. Both are orphans, facing a psychological damage of seeing their parents perish, but in they end the went down distinctive paths. One went down to protecting a city and fighting injustice and the other goes out for vengeance on those who he feels wronged him, as well as unleashing terror on an entire city, taking it over.
For some reason I can't respond directly to David Curry's thread and the comments in that thread here but Christian Bale filmed for the Machinist I think in 2003 and then he filmed for Bat begins in 2004 a year later and he was basically anorexic in the machinist because he had to be for the character he was portraying, so that's why in some of the earlier scenes in this movie such as the court scene, bale looks a little bit younger and hollower since he lost alot of weight and was trying to gain it back for batman. Which in my personal opinion he did excellently (I mean gaining healthy weight and muscle mass back and being able to transition into such an inconic role so well)
Was it right what happened? Should the police have protected him? Who did it and why? Do you think he should have been killed? Why do you think so? How could it have been prevented? If you were there, what would YOU have done?
1 from what we see, it wasn’t he deeply regretted his crimes and was going to put the most powerful mob boss away for early release. 2 yes, he may be a killer but he’s still a human being. 3 a hit(wo)man working for Falcone killed him because he was going to give information that Falcone told him when he was his cellmate. 4 no, for explanation see 1 5 by checking if the journalist was carrying a weapon. 6 let’s be real, I probably would’ve taken pictures. There you go
I know this was made years before and doesn’t connect to it at all, but after the Three Jokers in the comics, I finally felt sympathy for him in this scene.
Hey Joe Chill is played by the same guy who played Winslow Foxwell from 3 From Hell, Doomhead from 31, that ambulance driver from Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2, Enrikas Dortlich from Hannibal Rising, and The Chemist from Mandy. Richard Brake! Awesome!!!
Anyone else think that this Joe Chill is Heath Ledgers jokers dad? They look similar and it would make a lot of the things joker said make more sense. Plus it would connect joker and Batman on a much deeper level. As they both saw the corruption in Gotham from very different perspectives and grew up having very different ideas about how to fix it.
Whenever I read some clowns on Twitter, in the wake of recent news of Battinson suffering from mental issues in his upcoming movie, saying it will be the first time Batman was portrayed suffering from psychological problems, I always go back to this scene and laugh
+adam malik Masters. But I think in terms of education Bruce is irresponsible in the trilogy. After the hearing, after his meeting with Carmine Falcone, he just left Gotham and travelled the world and never returned to Princeton. I would've rather wanted to see Bruce Wayne graduate college at 20, then gotten his Master's degrees at 22, given that he's a friggin' genius. Then he leave Wayne Enterprises to Lucius until he returns before he goes traveling around the world learning martial arts and the mind of a criminal.
They never specify her position. She could have been just an intern our something at this point. We only know that she is the assistant DA 7 years later.
@@darth856 I have the script that was released when the movie came out. It specifies that Rachel is twenty-two at this point and she is, indeed, an intern at the DA's Office. By the time Bruce comes back, she has reached the position of an assistant to the DA
man richard brake needs to play the joker at some point in the future after mr. phoenix is done completely :) or at the very least voice him in an animated movie and design the animated joker after his look from 31 :)
Mrs Chilton: “Bruce” Bruce: “what the fuck do you want?” Mrs Chilton: “just to talk, I know you’re in a lot of pain, and rightfully so that shouldn’t have happened to you” Bruce: “if you’re done stating the obvious, I got shit to do” Mrs Chilton: “Bruce please, Thomas and Martha were damn good people, you should’ve been able to keep such wonderful parents” Bruce: “what the fuck do *you* know about parenting!?!” Mrs Chilton: “that’s not fair” Bruce: “fair!?! You wanna talk about fair!?! Yeah I’m sure you were fucking great, that’s why little Joey turned out the way he did” Mrs Chilton: “i have 2 sons ya know” Bruce: “don’t worry I’m sure Max will turn out just like his brother, he’s already on the right track isn’t he?” Mrs Chilton: “okay so I failed both of my children whatever . . . I helped Alfred raise *you”* Bruce: “ahhh yes, helping out the victimized family so you don’t feel guilty! MY FATHER WAS GUNNED DOWN! MY MOTHER HAD A HEART ATTACK! YOU CAN’T MAKE THAT GO AWAY YOU DUMB BEAVER!” Mrs Chilton: “THOMAS AND MARTHA WAYNE WEREN’T JUST YOUR PARENTS BRUCE! THEY WERE MY FRIENDS! Do you really think I felt nothing that night? Don’t you think I wish I could’ve done better? My own son, on trial for murdering my best friends . . . They were the only people who ever gave me a chance, they stood up for me against the bullies, they payed my medical bills, they kickstarted my career, they helped me whenever I needed it, and they died because I couldn’t measure up, because I didn’t have what it takes to be a good parent, it’s a horrifying revelation, and I have to live with that Bruce” Bruce: “your children made their own choices, you don’t deserve to be punished for that” Mrs Chilton: “I could’ve taught them better” Bruce: “you did what you could with what you had, that’s all any of us can do, we’re good people surviving a terrible world, we need to hold onto that while we can, these are your words, word for word” Mrs Chilton: “are they? I’ve forgotten” Bruce: “your son killed my parents for drug money, anyone’s child could’ve turned out that way Mrs Chilton, especially in Gotham” Chilton: “at their funeral, you said you’d use all resources at your disposal to reduce the crime rate of our city, do you stand by that?” Bruce: “I’ll do my best ma’am”
You can TOTALLY tell how scared Chill was when Bruce stood up, it's almost as if he thought he WOULD murder him. Ironic how things really turned out.
But he was also ashamed of himself and couldn't even look at bruce in his eye
@ i liked that change
@ Well @ least Chill is back in Hell where he belongs after what he did to Waynes. Still serves that freak right, he deserved to be killed, just glad Bruce didn't do it
@Jim Pickens I think the intention behind that shot is to build up tension with the fact that Bruce is hiding a gun. It's also very unlikely that the Judge would have put Chill back in prison because he had been bought out by Falcone to bring Chill out in the open.
I think Joe was more scared that Bruce would say something like "YOU'RE A MURDERER, I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL FOR WHAT YOU DID TO MY PARENTS." and that it would maybe change the judge's mind or something.
Bale blows me away in this courtroom scene. You can see just how suffocated he is by his anger and grief when Joe chill stands and speaks. You can see that he just wants to unload that gun into Chill right there and then but you can see also just how resigned he is to Gotham letting Chill go. He knows only he can deliver justice. It'll only be worth something if it's by his hand. And we can all relate to those feelings of pain and sadness at some point in our lives.
How can you "see" anything? He's way off in the background when he stands up and leaves. They should have zoomed in on him when he did that.
Well because Bale is a fantastic actor and really gets across what's needed. he says nothing but the way he emotes that swallowing of his rage and guilt. like it's smothering him at this moment. Then he infuses his body language into the scene. how rigidly he's sitting there almost like he's afraid to breathe cause he might let all that crap loose. Then he gets up robotically and walks away because he's already miles away thinking about unloading bullets into chill. The scene continues in the corridor when he comes upon chill and nearly goes through with it. It's not just this one scene. Nolan builds up to this moment.
That's a good take on it, thx!
There is a close up of his face when Chill stands to speak. I can only agree with rochey1010: Bale is amazing in this scene.
You know what *blows me away* Christian bale looks like ben burnley
Got to appreciate the irony that Falcone ended up playing a significant role in creating Batman. If Bruce kills Joe Chill instead of someone hired by Falcone doing the job, Bruce never goes down the path to becoming Batman, and Falcone is still controlling Gotham.
And what about the inevitable legal issues that would follow Bruce after committing murder in broad daylight?
Jared Griffin he’s Bruce Wayne the billionaire in the city of corruption,he would’ve been fine
If Bruce Wayne was charged in killing joe chill I believe there would be a massive outpouring of support for bruce Wayne as bruce would have done what most people would have done. Also he could reasonably claim temporary insanity as joe chill was the man that killed his parents and seeing him possibly be acquitted sent a surge of crippling intense rage into his mind clouding his reasonable judgement.
@@anarchistatheist1917 But the fact that he brought the "gun" to the courtroom probably wouldn't be able to win the court's support at all. If Bruce Wayne had punched Chill to death or something , yeah maybe... But bringing a gun to a freaking courtroom would be considered as a planned murder, not a murder committed by a momentarily mistake.
@@jaredtgriffinatyahoo He's a billionaire in a very corrupt city who happens to be best friends with the District Attorney. He would get away with it
This is what makes Batman and Joker 2 sides of the same coin. Both experienced traumatic events but both went down different paths one to serve justice to a corrupt city and the other relishing in the chaos and feeding its flame.
George Kenny it goes to show how someone deals with trauma. You either rise above it or let it consume you.
@@rinzler1801 We both looked into the abyss but when it looked back at us, you blink.
One become good other bad, still Bruce is superior to him, Bruce was strong mentally then Jocker.
@@rinzler1801 it does also show how important your parents support is
Every one of batman's villains experienced tragedy. Joker is just a psychopath. He chooses to be that.
The days when comic movies had scenes that played out at a natural pace and were about characters.
This film was made in a time where comic book films had cheesy 2000s colour grading, edgy music, rubber suits, and horrendous writing. This film and Mr Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man were the exceptions.
Iam Notarobot Ok you almost had me there for a sec lmao
Yeah like afflecs Daredevil, lol
@@RShadow12 Me too lol. Then I read the rest of it and sighed with relief haha
Someone's salty.
Dude the pure hatred in Bruces eyes when he sees Chill stand up in the courtroom like holy shit man, lets face it we all have felt that way and thought about hurting or even killing someone for revenge and telling ourselves that it will make you feel better.
The craziest thing I did was break a girl’s car window. I don’t regret it.
He didn't deserve to get slapped in the face by Rachel, but what the hell she knows? she didn't have her parents shot and have the guy responsible for that a couple of feet away.
Scary thing is that Bruce seemed like he was actually going to go through with it if Falcone's assassin didn't get to Chill first. Things were that close to Bruce not becoming Batman in this setting.
Combing your hair forward makes a 30+ year old man look 18
Ha ha, he does look way different. Cheeks look hollower too, for some reason.
hey it works
David Curry Bruce is 23 here.
+Sheev Clade This particular scene takes place 7-8 years before he goes on his "travel".
David Curry it’s crazy because I think in batman year one batman starts his crusade at 20..?
Richard Brake did an amazing job. He didn’t have much time on screen, but he delivered every second perfectly 👌
'Barbarian' brought us here.
0:35
I love the music cue here. It’s a revival of the Wayne’s murder scene theme but with a slight twist. Here, it’s still tragic, but it’s a different kind of tragic. It’s not the tragedy of a life being taken, it’s the tragedy of Bruce Wayne going down a dark path.
0:34 this is a variant of the music that plays when batman takes the bomb out of the city at the end of the dark knight rises
it's like poetry, it rhymes xD
Profiledek Batman’s a funnier character than we’ve had before. If we can get him working.
I think it'd be more accurate the other way around
And also when Bruce’s parents are murdered
I did always like this moives take on joe chill and showing that he did actually seem to regret what he did. The look on his face when bruce stands up in the courtroom shows just how much shame he feels for what he did, he can't even bring himself to look round at bruce
Eh, he had it coming
Plus it’s realistic that Bruce desired revenge on Chill and his code against guns and killing doesn’t come until Chill’s death.
He did not "have it coming"
He did his time. He earned his parloe.
@@mattgilbert7347 He didn’t serve his time. He didn’t earn his parole.
All he did was just happen to be in the right place at the right time to overhear the plans of another criminal.
He was an opportunist, who saw a chance to weasel his way out of his sentence, if he genuinely felt bad for what he did, then he shouldn’t have needed the early parole to testify.
Joe Chill was only a rat who was lucky enough to find a pot of cheese at the end of a rainbow. Just one bad guy who sold out an even bigger bad guy.
@@HardcoreLevelingBakais that what happened? I hadn’t seen the film since I was a kid and thought he was paid by him and assassinated to tie up loose ends
Even though the Dark Knight is still my favorite, I gotta say that as years as passed, Batman Begins has gotten better. It tells a complete story of Bruce Wayne which often gets left out as Batman is the real man while Bruce is just the mask
Batman Begins is such an underrated film. Every fan of the trilogy always wants to talk about, and praise The Dark Knight, as well as The Dark Knight Rises, and while it is understood, Batman Begins deserves just as much recognition.
I liken Batman Begins to Spiderman (2002) most consider Spiderman 2 the best of that trilogy and one of the greatest superhero films ever. Just as the TDK is considered one of the greatest if not the greatest superhero film ever. However, the first movie in this epic trilogy is great at telling the story of Batman and setting the tone just as SM1 tells the story of Spiderman. Two iconic heroes with two legendary trilogies.
"Hello, my name is Bruce Wayne, you killed my parents, prepare to die."
*Joe Chill gets shot*- Damn it.
Does anyone else find similarities between between Lee Harvey Oswald's death and Joe chills death
So convenient, wasn't it?
+anditslikethat yep
yeah i think you are right, funny thing is i think Nolan was leveraging something from the events after Kennedy's assassination as a platform to build on for emotional impact and character building; i think it was footage of JFK JR Saluting his father's casket. But i think Nolan with out knowing it leveraged a lot more from the effects of JFK before after death.
If they wanted this to be more realistic, Joe Chill would have been killed in prison.
I do now, now do you mention it
Best Batman movie ever
Agree
Dark knight
@sabana ansari dark knight isnt a batman movie and if you dont know that then you arent a fan
@ahmed marhoum Its not a good Batman movie, and you know what I mean.
@@cbmjoe06 Hating extremely popular things won't make you look cool you ignorant fool.
Kill Chill: Volume 1
WhiteFangofWhoa the lonely gcpd officer
An intense scene as Bruce just walks out. Amazing scene
Let's get a drink, Brown Eyes.
This is the way
3:21 reminds me of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mbk oswaldo?
This is the version of Bruce Wayne that Pattinson was playing - before he became the Billionaire playboy.
2:15 you can see the look on Rachel’s face she looks guilty for letting her friend down for working for someone that supports her friends killer. “She’s like I’m sorry Bruce but this isn’t in my control.”
The lesson is that revenge is never the right choice. I speak from experience, it’s not gonna change the pain and therefore it makes you a villain
No it doesn't. It makes you commit an "illegal" act, but that is not morality. That is doing something that a piece of paper and some scholars decided is wrong... It isn't evil to take revenge on someone who took life for no reason. Innocent people and guilty people are not equal, their human value is not the same. And revenge is not about Bruce feeling better for his own self, it is about justice. Him being Batman also does not bring back his parents or heal the pain... But it helps others and is just. Killing Chill would do the same thing for Gotham... It would protect future potential victims of his while also respecting the soul of his parents and not allowing their lives to be worth less than a criminal's life.
This scene leads into some of the best orchestrations in the movie. Bruce talking to Rachel about revenge and justice.
Patrick Bateman failed to kill?
@Timothy Emerson No, Patrick Bateman is another character played by Christian Bale. American psycho.
@Timothy Emerson look up American psycho christian bale plays a murderer in that movie called Patrick Bateman and Bateman sounds like batman
@@enigmaticbeing7703 Dude. He's fucking with you
Timothy Emerson No you dumbass he just saying there is another movie where Christian Bale plays a character named Patrick Bateman
Gus Emerson you just fucking with everyone or something?
So much parallel here with the Joker movie. Bruce using the same type of gun to kill Chill that Chill used to kill his parents, and Joker used to kill Murray.
The movies aren’t connected tho
@@RShadow12 Nobody said they were...
Revolvers are fairly reliable, much more reliable than pistols
Song in the beginning is called Eptesicus if anyone is wondering.
Bruce hated Joe Chill in all his heart for what he did to his parents. And he was consumed by vengeance and anger. But the true mastermind of manipulation of good and bad is Ra's al Ghul.
The judge in that Chill Hearing also appears in Falcones bar/restaurants when Bruce visits Falcone later on
Damn, Bruce was seriously about to kill the man. He was both relieved and pissed that someone barely beat him to it. Bruce was seriously spared.
Rachel - we don’t need to see this.
Bruce - I do.
Me - C’mon Rachel! Can you really blame him?
This movie is so good i never get tier of watching this
Would love to see affleck's batman have 15mins with joe chill.
if DCEU sets up that scenerio he a dead man for sure. this bruce is a murdering bastard
Mustafa Haider Hey, if there is one criminal I'd love to see that particular Batman brutalize or even kill, it'd be that scumbag.
That is not batman , thats batmurderman.
@@ashishbhatt3467 ikr spoken like a true batfan
Guys didn't Batfleck just brand people in batman v superman dawn of justice, not murder people.
I really love that joe chill wish he didn’t killed Bruce parents this why I love this movie
but unfortunately for Chill, he had to pay ULTIMATE price for his crime, Bruce may not have killed him, but Chill got his comepaunce just the same, sparring Bruce of going darker, good enough as long as Villain who did this to Bruce paid dearly
The outdoor scene was filmed at the Senate House cloisters, if anyone is wondering. It's London University's HQ. Nolan studied at UCL, one of UoL's constituent colleges (and the best one, it's superior to KCL in pretty much every way ^^)
3:18 the rage inside grows larger as Bruce comes closer to face the man who killed his beloved parents. Bruce's face is completely influenced by vengeance. Chill, on the other hand, walks in a hurry like he's nervous or scared of the son of the couple he killed years before. I wonder if Chill noticed the hidden gun that slowly appears from Bruce's coat sleeve. The rage is real, man.
i also love the complexity of just what grief is, is being portrayed in this whole scene/trilogy. Bruce is suffering as a young man. consumed with pain, helplessness, self loathing but we also see that the FEAR theme that Nolan uses for this movie is very prevalent here. Bruce is consumed by vengeance and very unhappy here. But he's young and undefined and that is key.
he thinks this will fix everything. that shooting chill will give him closure. will make that pain heal. Bale plays this petulant, naive, reckless and immature bruce. the way he talks to Alfred when he first returns home from the school, the boy with the crush when he sees Rachel in the kitchen,, when she shows him the barrens etc but he's stagnant, he's stuck in this pain and doing nothing to move forward. he acts in this angry but helpless way. he hasn't taken control of his destiny yet and is very much lost. "if you let it your anger will consume you"
he's brought a gun. we can tell by the way he acts that he has never used it. he goes to the courtroom intending to shoot chill. but when the judge asks for a Wayne family member's opinion on the verdict about to be delivered to release chill? nothing comes out of Bruce's mouth. he is choked and suffocated by his grief and hate, but especially his fear. look at Bale when the camera is on him in the courtroom. he's impotent with his emotions. rigid and barely moving except for his breathing. it's so bad that he can't even speak what he is afraid of (GRIEF)
Bale's Bruce's heart is racing because he's terrified of what he wants to do. he gets up robotically miles away already and then leaves. but then Bale shows Bruce again having to psyche himself up to go shoot chill. i mean there is a complexity of emotion here but the leading ones are HATE, GRIEF and FEAR.
FEAR has him stuck, it has him afraid to speak to that court of just what chill took from him. it has him afraid of himself and it has him afraid of facing his grief head on. look at Bale after chill is shot. look at his face. this is the moment he realizes along with that shock, he got nothing from this. there is zero catharsis even in watching chill die. this is the wrong path.
Like Bale/Nolan are brilliant. because they both understand and are portraying a man broken by grief, a man arrested by grief. that in this more grounded version of Batman. Nolan will take Bruce on a character study through the trilogy and let him heal and move forward. That Batman is not the answer. It's the issue.
Batman while very noble stops Bruce having to face his true emotions. I mean this trilogy is beautiful because even through the themes and villains we are looking at one big grief study of Bruce Wayne
Joe Chill died and came back as The Night King
I bet there is a lot of us who know how Bruce feels going to these parole hearings. Wanting to do everything you can to keep the person who took your loved one behind bars. I still do that to make sure my Uncle's murderer and never gets out even when he claims that hes a changed man.
Its' amazing how a good majority of the cast is Brittish. Meaning they all flew half way around the world to act an American Movie when there's plenty of American Actors in the states that could have done so.
It looks like someone took over your timeline vengeance Bruce.
City : Rioting
Thomas and Martha : C I N E M A T I M E
Joe chill: bet
@@dorreyeet1529 lol
Just realized that Judge Faden is the same guy that was sitting in the seat a few steps away from Falcone in the scene where Bruce Wayne confronted him to show him "not everyone was afraid of him". Nice detail.
2:27
Doom’s Fan I recognize Him He’s played Dean Portman From Doom
0:44
Teaching Mrs. Tingle’s Fan I recognize Her She’s played Leigh Ann Watson From Teaching Mrs. Tingle
For me it was always upsetting to watch Bruce walk out of the court room
Honestly, this worked out really well for Bruce. Joe got his punishment for his double murder, and Bruce didn’t have to get his hands dirty at all.
This is what separates Batman from Bane. Both are orphans, facing a psychological damage of seeing their parents perish, but in they end the went down distinctive paths. One went down to protecting a city and fighting injustice and the other goes out for vengeance on those who he feels wronged him, as well as unleashing terror on an entire city, taking it over.
Interesting thought
I believe that Richard Brake (Joe Chill) would make a hell of a Joker.
I think u mean the jack nichloson one
He made a hell of a Frank.
bateman=best batman
M.Bayne Bale is the best batman, now and always
Marissa.Bynes agreed
Not sure if the best batman, but damn sure the best Bruce Wayne
He's only one letter off in the first place!
By far, at least for me.
The Night's King on GofT
Joffrey was also in this movie :o
For some reason I can't respond directly to David Curry's thread and the comments in that thread here but Christian Bale filmed for the Machinist I think in 2003 and then he filmed for Bat begins in 2004 a year later and he was basically anorexic in the machinist because he had to be for the character he was portraying, so that's why in some of the earlier scenes in this movie such as the court scene, bale looks a little bit younger and hollower since he lost alot of weight and was trying to gain it back for batman. Which in my personal opinion he did excellently (I mean gaining healthy weight and muscle mass back and being able to transition into such an inconic role so well)
Was it right what happened? Should the police have protected him? Who did it and why? Do you think he should have been killed? Why do you think so? How could it have been prevented? If you were there, what would YOU have done?
Good questions
1 from what we see, it wasn’t he deeply regretted his crimes and was going to put the most powerful mob boss away for early release.
2 yes, he may be a killer but he’s still a human being.
3 a hit(wo)man working for Falcone killed him because he was going to give information that Falcone told him when he was his cellmate.
4 no, for explanation see 1
5 by checking if the journalist was carrying a weapon.
6 let’s be real, I probably would’ve taken pictures.
There you go
@@bramijdema759 Also being a species means nothing
Bruh you sound like those stupid ass school questions
3:21 it looks like she stuck the gun inside him
Nah she pressed it against his chest. The coat makes it seem like she put the gun through his chest
I know this was made years before and doesn’t connect to it at all, but after the Three Jokers in the comics, I finally felt sympathy for him in this scene.
This movie came out 2005 I think so old... But memory seeing this first time in my house
Hey Joe Chill is played by the same guy who played Winslow Foxwell from 3 From Hell, Doomhead from 31, that ambulance driver from Rob Zombie’s Halloween 2, Enrikas Dortlich from Hannibal Rising, and The Chemist from Mandy. Richard Brake! Awesome!!!
Also Frank in 'Barbarian'.
@@BAztid really? Damn
@@BAztid and Dean Portman in Doom.
2:49 I GOT SATİSFACTİON FROM THİS PARTV SOOO MUCH
first i thought he forgave the killer
If i were bruce, i dont think i dont want to get revenge
Anyone else think that this Joe Chill is Heath Ledgers jokers dad? They look similar and it would make a lot of the things joker said make more sense. Plus it would connect joker and Batman on a much deeper level. As they both saw the corruption in Gotham from very different perspectives and grew up having very different ideas about how to fix it.
Goddamn.. you may be on to something
+Brett Nice theory... Quite Interesting!!
Batman had no chill so he went to kill Joe Chill
But he couldn’t kill joe chill so he became chill and couldn’t kill
Walter Wade Jr. Became a better Man in an alternate time reality.
Mr. Chill played the Night King in season 5.
He could'nt avenge because there was goodness in him, he was in dilema.
Whenever I read some clowns on Twitter, in the wake of recent news of Battinson suffering from mental issues in his upcoming movie, saying it will be the first time Batman was portrayed suffering from psychological problems, I always go back to this scene and laugh
Bruce looks so shocked because he is just blown away by the haircut of Chill‘s lawyer.
3:22 Bruce:Dude, that was my kill!
the only good thing that jo chill has ever done is that he gave us batman
Nolan's Bruce has grown since then.
This is true because in the comics joe chill writes an apology letter in prison but bruce never gets the letters joe sent him
DAMN IT, PORTMAN!
So Bruce is still going to college, while Rachel presumably has a law degree and a good job at the DA's office? That's too big of an age difference.
he would be getting his masters or phd
+adam malik Masters. But I think in terms of education Bruce is irresponsible in the trilogy. After the hearing, after his meeting with Carmine Falcone, he just left Gotham and travelled the world and never returned to Princeton.
I would've rather wanted to see Bruce Wayne graduate college at 20, then gotten his Master's degrees at 22, given that he's a friggin' genius. Then he leave Wayne Enterprises to Lucius until he returns before he goes traveling around the world learning martial arts and the mind of a criminal.
They never specify her position. She could have been just an intern our something at this point. We only know that she is the assistant DA 7 years later.
Bruce is really smart, it's possible that he finished college early.
@@darth856 I have the script that was released when the movie came out. It specifies that Rachel is twenty-two at this point and she is, indeed, an intern at the DA's Office. By the time Bruce comes back, she has reached the position of an assistant to the DA
You see the man and the gun that killed Joe Chill it’s a reference to the death of Oswald the man that killed JKF
watched this as a little kid, and for years unti, now i thought he shot him, didnt even realize it was that woman who did it
I wish she would've stayed as Rachel
A quote says dont let you devotion to justice temper your rage
I wonder what would've happened if Bruce did kill Joe instead of the woman.
ShadowAssassin88 then there would be no Batman
The guy who played Joe chill is the same game who played night king in game of thrones
I remembered the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald
This scene is obviously modeled after that. Another good move on Nolan's part.
Let's see Paul Allen's condensed milk
man richard brake needs to play the joker at some point in the future after mr. phoenix is done completely :) or at the very least voice him in an animated movie and design the animated joker after his look from 31 :)
Plot Twist: Alfred hired an assassian
wow i would be running if an angry wayne was looking at me like that
Very important scene in the movie
3:27-3:30 If you look closely, the blonde woman is smiling.
But what I never understood is why she fell to the floor after shooting Chill?
@@Heraldo_Del_Mar police likely tackled her
@@justinwright4628 But at 3:23-3:24 it looked like she suddenly fainted.
@@Heraldo_Del_Mar A little but
That freak had it coming
can any one tell me the background music when the young bruce and his dad are with the stethoscope...please (I have been searching for this scene!)
+Evelin Moreno It might be called Eptesicus
Awesome movie
He sounds a bit familiar like dr Manhattan and I thought joe died when Bruce grew up
Best movie of 2005
of all time*
Gotta agree with both comments
“What’s The Music At 3:00?”
Let’s sing for micha
He looks like peter Parker from spider man
True dat.
he was so close to getting his revenge
@ least someone else had guts to finish job for him so Bruce wouldn't go completely dark
3:21
And boom goes the dynamite....
Mrs Chilton: “Bruce”
Bruce: “what the fuck do you want?”
Mrs Chilton: “just to talk, I know you’re in a lot of pain, and rightfully so that shouldn’t have happened to you”
Bruce: “if you’re done stating the obvious, I got shit to do”
Mrs Chilton: “Bruce please, Thomas and Martha were damn good people, you should’ve been able to keep such wonderful parents”
Bruce: “what the fuck do *you* know about parenting!?!”
Mrs Chilton: “that’s not fair”
Bruce: “fair!?! You wanna talk about fair!?! Yeah I’m sure you were fucking great, that’s why little Joey turned out the way he did”
Mrs Chilton: “i have 2 sons ya know”
Bruce: “don’t worry I’m sure Max will turn out just like his brother, he’s already on the right track isn’t he?”
Mrs Chilton: “okay so I failed both of my children whatever . . . I helped Alfred raise *you”*
Bruce: “ahhh yes, helping out the victimized family so you don’t feel guilty! MY FATHER WAS GUNNED DOWN! MY MOTHER HAD A HEART ATTACK! YOU CAN’T MAKE THAT GO AWAY YOU DUMB BEAVER!”
Mrs Chilton: “THOMAS AND MARTHA WAYNE WEREN’T JUST YOUR PARENTS BRUCE! THEY WERE MY FRIENDS! Do you really think I felt nothing that night? Don’t you think I wish I could’ve done better? My own son, on trial for murdering my best friends . . . They were the only people who ever gave me a chance, they stood up for me against the bullies, they payed my medical bills, they kickstarted my career, they helped me whenever I needed it, and they died because I couldn’t measure up, because I didn’t have what it takes to be a good parent, it’s a horrifying revelation, and I have to live with that Bruce”
Bruce: “your children made their own choices, you don’t deserve to be punished for that”
Mrs Chilton: “I could’ve taught them better”
Bruce: “you did what you could with what you had, that’s all any of us can do, we’re good people surviving a terrible world, we need to hold onto that while we can, these are your words, word for word”
Mrs Chilton: “are they? I’ve forgotten”
Bruce: “your son killed my parents for drug money, anyone’s child could’ve turned out that way Mrs Chilton, especially in Gotham”
Chilton: “at their funeral, you said you’d use all resources at your disposal to reduce the crime rate of our city, do you stand by that?”
Bruce: “I’ll do my best ma’am”
joe chill is the night's king. how apt
3:21 better assassin finishes Joe than Bruce, @ least justice is finally served
Wondering why the cops just let Chill's corpse fall onto his killer
Richard Brake is amazing
fun fact this guy played in doom the movie
Probably a good thing Falcone never worked as a Walmart greeter.