The Intrepid would be a better competitor with the Titan, if it had 2 S1 shields and 2 S1 coolers like some other starters. A couple more missiles wouldn't hurt either for the price point.
also it should have been a size 5 gun (or two size 4 in a vertical layout). Most of the other starters are dishing out around the same DPS with much smaller guns because they have multiple. Unlike system components that seem to increase in power exponentially, guns for some reason do not.
@@Xaxxusthe fact that the nurses just came out not long ago and are equipped with 2 size 4s there's no way they would give the intrepid those weapons. Not with it being so much smaller then the Zeus
Armour is going to play a role here, but still, a S5 gun would definitely make this ship much more interesting, and it's price much more justified. A mini-ares starter. Imagine that. How did they manage to fvck that up. The next weapon rebalance with armour in mind might flip the table, though. But Titan will also exist most likely.
Intrepid is a $50 ship. But CIG is getting too desperate. All starter ships should always be kept at gold pass standard since this is the only ship most citizens have. The fact that Aurora, mustang, reliant, and Titan are more than 5 years behind current levels is ridiculous. There is zero reason to pick intrepid except for the new shiny of the intrepid. When Titan gets updated to current new ship levels it will undoubtedly get more expensive again.
I do like your comparison because you look at every gameloop a starter may be interested in and compare the ships potentials. The Titan is my favorite starter ship because: I can do bounty missions and, if there is anything valuable to loot, I can collect it. (I hope you can understand my bad english)
@@Space-Tech I just hope, if the Titan will be reworked, it will get a gunrack/suitlocker and maybe a bathroom and coffee machine but the rest should sta as it is. :) #dont_nerf_the_size4_hardpoint
Titan. Its ability to carry a small vehicle and the ability to enter the cockpit directly are key features for me. It will also be interesting to see what CIG does with the Titan when it gets its gold pass updates.
@verpine3534 CIG will do what they always do. Make it worse to bring it in line with the rest of the ships. Can't have one being better than the others!
I upgraded to the Intrepid and I love it. However, I would definitely not recommend it to a new player. It's still a better starter than the Mustang or Aurora, but it had better be for the price! It just cannot compare to capabilities of the cheaper Titan. While the Intrepid has the best interior of any starter, even if you count the Nomad (I don't ), that's just not important when you're learning the game.
If I had to buy a starter...one ship...it would be the Titan...has been for many years. Right now, as an interceptor, it faster than most other fighters and has weapons that are as good as any other the category. From a combat performance perspective, it is the best bang for your buck by far. Having an entrance/exit to the cockpit is also a valuable thing as you don't have to expose your entrance. I can only assume that they will sneak in some weapon/armor storage. You can also keep a 1 SCU box in the back for now. That said, I really like the Intrepid and it is pretty fun to fly around...and the quantum distance will be a big factor soon. In 5 years playing this game, I have found it is best to get the ship that excites you and understand that you can always change it. You WILL want to at some point. I have bought some ships multiple times and melt and get something new often.
Theres one point I´d like to add that I recently discovered the hard way: I was sitting in an Intrepid and flying from Orison to Daymar to get the mining mission for IAE done. On my way through Crusader OM-1 i got interdicted by pirates. I had no chance in fighting with the intrepid. I couldnt jump out because I was jammed. And I couldnt outrun them, because the Mantis and Buccaneers were faster. I was dead the second I got the interdiction-message. If I had been sitting in the Avenger, I could have just turned around and ran away. The Titan ist faster even than the Mantis, Buccaneer und Firebird. Just fly until youre out of interdiction-range and jump from there on. If done right pirates arent a threat when sitting in the Avenger.
I'm pretty sure the Titan will receive some nerf when it's finally brought at the same level of the new ships, the stats can't match the space for components
I would have agreed that the Intrepid had better QT fuel if CIG had not nerfed the Cutters QT fuel. That just tells me the improved fuel is just an initial selling point that will be gotten rid of later.
Imo the titan is the better choice. Price is one of the issues. Specs as well. Also while this has been beaten to death, the outward appearance. I get it was trying to copy the MSR and the Ares ships but the cockpit on both ships are in the middle and maintains a sense of symmetry, can'tr say the same for the Intrepid, that gap from the cockpit and Gun is too wide. Had they centered the cockpit and left the design as is, and change those tail fins, the ship would have been a better success.
Agreed but at least you can get around it easy. Grab a Self-Store box and throw it in the back - job done. You would need to transfer any loot to your freight elevator anyways so honestly its better than using ship interior storage. The Intrepid is just bad value - its so damn weak for the money and the cool interior isn't enough to make up for that.
@wallacengineering8096 that's true I just think in the long run when they add engenir to the game the titan will suffer unlike this little ship, and if they add things like in a sims game our character would hate the titan, having a bed to log out in sucks since they claim you'll be able to log out where ever once base building comes into play
It's also likely to get a rebalance and be brought in line with the other starters, its been the best since forever and its not even been a competition. This thing is ripe for a rebalance.
@steak-a-potamus6231 yeah I think the reason is cause the titan use to be stalker only and has like 4 scu cargo and the other half was 2 bounty pods... And than they came out with the other 2 and turn the stalker into the titan and never rebalance his weapon load out I've had it since back in 2015 and it updated to the titan and it's LTI but I always know they'll nerf it
@@biolazerIdk if they really will cuz honestly it's a variant of the warlock just a cargo variant and even then the 325a is better then the titan imo the titan has a bit more hp but the 325a is faster tuned a way better inside and better missile package 5o make up for the lesser storage an difficulty in carrying a bike. I don't really see a need to nerf them cuz each starter is comparable but excels in certain places more then the others really.
Just a note for some perspective. The Titan is one of the very first batch of ships that CI ever produced way back in the beginning. I had one back in 2013 or so when we only had the hangar module. Anyway - the reason it's always considered the best starter is because it's not really a starter. It was originally sold as a ship to be in a similar class as the Origin 300 series. About 5-6 years ago though, they decided to start referring to it as a starter, I'm not sure why. Anyway, this is why I never considered it fair that the newer, formally-recognized starters such as the Intrepid, the Origin 100s, Mustangs, Cutters, etc. are held up against it. I expect the Titan to get nerfed someday - it absolutely should if they want to keep referring to it as a starter.
It was actually one of the more expensive ships in the begining. The Aurora (and its variants), Avenger Hunter, The 300 series ( its variants ). That's it...
The Intrepid costs _more?_ That's stupid. I would 100% take the Avenger Titan. Other than a larger interior, which means nothing right now, the Intrepid doesn't do anything better.
Would the Origin 315 be considered a starter ship? If so it has 2 S3 guns and 12 SCU of cargo. Great ship. The only crappy part of the 315 and the Avenger Titan is the awful quantum fuel tank of .5. This is where the Intrepid shines with 1.2 quantum tank.
Unfortunately not, tractor beaming it into the cargo hold can cause issues with the cargo grid so it definitely is still very janky and does go boom 😅 also no chance of any wheeled vehicles :)
@ damn, well I’m basically looking for a ship that fits in an 890 or a Polaris and can carry a vehicle. Might have to stick with the Avenger. Thank you bro
The Intrepid is not meant to fight. It is meant to run away. "wahh wahh, starter ship has to do everything!" No, no it doesn't. Just because the marketing department decides to suddenly call something "starter" does not mean it is going to let someone just starting out do everything.
Not in every way. The Intrepid has a much better QT Range. And nicer interiour. The weapon racks are already useful. And if you really want the Intrepid can carry more cargo offgrid. But no 4SCU containers.
@@heathmorris6100 I just showed that the Titans isn't "better.. in every way" And if you loot weapons a weapon rack is very useful. Or if you want to have different weapons /tools for different jobs.
This isn't even a competition if we rely on raw stats. With all that being said and with the Avenger Titan being my original pledge, its the kind of ship I have not had the urge to go back to even for some nostalgia factor. The Intrepid however is something I have been enjoying thoroughly. I think it might be because of its interior, but also because you do genuinely feel like a underdog in that ship, in that you can't really fight and have to sneak around problems or straight up avoid them, signaling some sort of progression "i need a different ship" instead of my ship does it all which the Avenger Titan is.
Good video. I think some people are just trying way too hard to or explain justify the Intrepid; they say it's not "fair", the Titan isn't a "starter", if the Intrepid had/gets this or that instead of what it actually has, the Intrepid is OK if only used or not used some particular way.... A proper starter ship is simply good for general use AND recommendation to a new player WITHOUT all the mental gymnastics, but regardless of labels or roles or stats or pricetags the Intrepid still loses. It is simply not a good ship no matter what or how you compare it to any other option whereas the Titan is a solid choice period. If a player with at least some experience still wants the Intrepid just because/regardless of facts that's fine for them, however CIG calling this goofy pile of gimmicks (if I'm being generous) a "starter" is just cruel and unusual punishment for anyone who doesn't know any better. 🍻
@@athanoskerensky6778 Syulen looks very nice. But it's a huge target, makes it worse for fighting. It can only carry 6 1SCU boxes. It takes long to get from the ground into the cockpit seat. (Just see how fast you manage it with other ships) And the Syulen isn''t very fast. At least it has 1 SCU of Q-Fuel.
The intrepid is listed as a starter ship, the Titan is not listed as a Starter it is listed as a Courier. So you can not really judge these two side by size. Hands down the intrepid is better than Aurora, Mustang, or cutter.
They are absolutely comparable. Both can come with a game package, both are pretty much the same price and they are both listed as transport/light freight on the pledge store.
With the current build, Titan still has an easy victory. With Maelstrom and engineering? It's a lot more fair for the Intrepid. Closed off cargo grid means you won't vent the whole cargo bay every time you open it. Hit points are going away with Maelstrom and your ships won't explode, they'll fall appart and components will break, the amount of hit points ship have presently represent the armour they'll have with Maelstrom, meaning the Intrepid has 3x the armour. While the Intrepid is no slouch on speed and maneuverability, it doesn't hold a candle to the Titan, so having a second t1 shield doesn't change much, you don't dodge as well, so more armour is a lot better than a shield that will only last about 2 seconds under fire. The Pulse being glitchy on cargo grids atm is a physics issue of the Pulse, not the Intrepid.
I think there is a whole lot we don't know about maelstrom and armor which is why I refrain from making any strong statements about armor unless explicitly called out in the sale of a ship. Afaik crusader is not known to have heavily armored ships so it's hull HP wouldn't translate 1:1 imo. You're right though it is going to change everything when it gets here
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The Intrepid would be a better competitor with the Titan, if it had 2 S1 shields and 2 S1 coolers like some other starters.
A couple more missiles wouldn't hurt either for the price point.
Biggest issue is just it's price imo. Would have been easier to understand at $50-$55 imo
also it should have been a size 5 gun (or two size 4 in a vertical layout). Most of the other starters are dishing out around the same DPS with much smaller guns because they have multiple.
Unlike system components that seem to increase in power exponentially, guns for some reason do not.
@@Xaxxusthe fact that the nurses just came out not long ago and are equipped with 2 size 4s there's no way they would give the intrepid those weapons. Not with it being so much smaller then the Zeus
Armour is going to play a role here, but still, a S5 gun would definitely make this ship much more interesting, and it's price much more justified. A mini-ares starter. Imagine that. How did they manage to fvck that up. The next weapon rebalance with armour in mind might flip the table, though. But Titan will also exist most likely.
Intrepid is a $50 ship. But CIG is getting too desperate. All starter ships should always be kept at gold pass standard since this is the only ship most citizens have. The fact that Aurora, mustang, reliant, and Titan are more than 5 years behind current levels is ridiculous. There is zero reason to pick intrepid except for the new shiny of the intrepid. When Titan gets updated to current new ship levels it will undoubtedly get more expensive again.
I do like your comparison because you look at every gameloop a starter may be interested in and compare the ships potentials.
The Titan is my favorite starter ship because: I can do bounty missions and, if there is anything valuable to loot, I can collect it.
(I hope you can understand my bad english)
Very true, you can even fit a couple ship guns in the back! Thank you for the comment!
@@Space-Tech I just hope, if the Titan will be reworked, it will get a gunrack/suitlocker and maybe a bathroom and coffee machine
but the rest should sta as it is.
:)
#dont_nerf_the_size4_hardpoint
Your English is very easy to understand by the way!
Titan. Its ability to carry a small vehicle and the ability to enter the cockpit directly are key features for me. It will also be interesting to see what CIG does with the Titan when it gets its gold pass updates.
@verpine3534
CIG will do what they always do. Make it worse to bring it in line with the rest of the ships. Can't have one being better than the others!
@@Luciphellthis is 100% what will happen.
take the intrepid with LTi now and upgrade for 5 bucks to the 325a
I upgraded to the Intrepid and I love it. However, I would definitely not recommend it to a new player. It's still a better starter than the Mustang or Aurora, but it had better be for the price! It just cannot compare to capabilities of the cheaper Titan. While the Intrepid has the best interior of any starter, even if you count the Nomad (I don't ), that's just not important when you're learning the game.
Excellent discussions, and a feathered hand with the FX. Subbed, thanks for the comparison.
If I had to buy a starter...one ship...it would be the Titan...has been for many years. Right now, as an interceptor, it faster than most other fighters and has weapons that are as good as any other the category. From a combat performance perspective, it is the best bang for your buck by far. Having an entrance/exit to the cockpit is also a valuable thing as you don't have to expose your entrance. I can only assume that they will sneak in some weapon/armor storage. You can also keep a 1 SCU box in the back for now.
That said, I really like the Intrepid and it is pretty fun to fly around...and the quantum distance will be a big factor soon. In 5 years playing this game, I have found it is best to get the ship that excites you and understand that you can always change it. You WILL want to at some point. I have bought some ships multiple times and melt and get something new often.
Theres one point I´d like to add that I recently discovered the hard way:
I was sitting in an Intrepid and flying from Orison to Daymar to get the mining mission for IAE done. On my way through Crusader OM-1 i got interdicted by pirates. I had no chance in fighting with the intrepid. I couldnt jump out because I was jammed. And I couldnt outrun them, because the Mantis and Buccaneers were faster. I was dead the second I got the interdiction-message.
If I had been sitting in the Avenger, I could have just turned around and ran away. The Titan ist faster even than the Mantis, Buccaneer und Firebird. Just fly until youre out of interdiction-range and jump from there on. If done right pirates arent a threat when sitting in the Avenger.
I'm pretty sure the Titan will receive some nerf when it's finally brought at the same level of the new ships, the stats can't match the space for components
I would have agreed that the Intrepid had better QT fuel if CIG had not nerfed the Cutters QT fuel. That just tells me the improved fuel is just an initial selling point that will be gotten rid of later.
Imo the titan is the better choice.
Price is one of the issues.
Specs as well.
Also while this has been beaten to death, the outward appearance.
I get it was trying to copy the MSR and the Ares ships but the cockpit on both ships are in the middle and maintains a sense of symmetry, can'tr say the same for the Intrepid, that gap from the cockpit and Gun is too wide. Had they centered the cockpit and left the design as is, and change those tail fins, the ship would have been a better success.
@Orrin_Hawke
Not everyone has problems with asymmetric design. Some of us think that makes it look better.
I feel the biggest miss was the cargo area. I feel the cargo should have just gone on the one side that's asymmetrical.
Hands down, the Intrepid is my choice as it offers exactly what I need to do what I like to do.
Titan needs a gold pass... This ship lacks storage and anything, it's only good for combat and putting a bike in the back
Agreed but at least you can get around it easy. Grab a Self-Store box and throw it in the back - job done. You would need to transfer any loot to your freight elevator anyways so honestly its better than using ship interior storage. The Intrepid is just bad value - its so damn weak for the money and the cool interior isn't enough to make up for that.
@wallacengineering8096 that's true I just think in the long run when they add engenir to the game the titan will suffer unlike this little ship, and if they add things like in a sims game our character would hate the titan, having a bed to log out in sucks since they claim you'll be able to log out where ever once base building comes into play
It's also likely to get a rebalance and be brought in line with the other starters, its been the best since forever and its not even been a competition. This thing is ripe for a rebalance.
@steak-a-potamus6231 yeah I think the reason is cause the titan use to be stalker only and has like 4 scu cargo and the other half was 2 bounty pods... And than they came out with the other 2 and turn the stalker into the titan and never rebalance his weapon load out I've had it since back in 2015 and it updated to the titan and it's LTI but I always know they'll nerf it
@@biolazerIdk if they really will cuz honestly it's a variant of the warlock just a cargo variant and even then the 325a is better then the titan imo the titan has a bit more hp but the 325a is faster tuned a way better inside and better missile package 5o make up for the lesser storage an difficulty in carrying a bike. I don't really see a need to nerf them cuz each starter is comparable but excels in certain places more then the others really.
Just a note for some perspective. The Titan is one of the very first batch of ships that CI ever produced way back in the beginning. I had one back in 2013 or so when we only had the hangar module. Anyway - the reason it's always considered the best starter is because it's not really a starter. It was originally sold as a ship to be in a similar class as the Origin 300 series. About 5-6 years ago though, they decided to start referring to it as a starter, I'm not sure why. Anyway, this is why I never considered it fair that the newer, formally-recognized starters such as the Intrepid, the Origin 100s, Mustangs, Cutters, etc. are held up against it. I expect the Titan to get nerfed someday - it absolutely should if they want to keep referring to it as a starter.
This is the best explanation I've heard. Good to know it was technically not a starter... until CIG designated it as one...
It was actually one of the more expensive ships in the begining. The Aurora (and its variants), Avenger Hunter, The 300 series ( its variants ). That's it...
Intrepid is great if you have no interest in ship combat.
The Intrepid costs _more?_ That's stupid. I would 100% take the Avenger Titan. Other than a larger interior, which means nothing right now, the Intrepid doesn't do anything better.
Titan. I have a few ships in my fleet, but I always fall back to the Titan.
I went with titan!!
Titan all the way.
The Intrepid splitting its cargo capacity into two areas is horrible. You lose so much versatility that way.
should i upgrade the intrepid to 325a?
Would the Origin 315 be considered a starter ship? If so it has 2 S3 guns and 12 SCU of cargo. Great ship. The only crappy part of the 315 and the Avenger Titan is the awful quantum fuel tank of .5. This is where the Intrepid shines with 1.2 quantum tank.
Titan imho, more firepower. Obvious which if its looks that override all.
Can you fit a hover bike in an Intrepid?
Only a couple of the models, and you can't drive it into the hold you have to use a tractor beam
@ if the tractor beam can pull it in, it should minimise the jank and boom!, how bout the PTV? Thank you for the quick reply.
Unfortunately not, tractor beaming it into the cargo hold can cause issues with the cargo grid so it definitely is still very janky and does go boom 😅 also no chance of any wheeled vehicles :)
@ damn, well I’m basically looking for a ship that fits in an 890 or a Polaris and can carry a vehicle. Might have to stick with the Avenger. Thank you bro
@@chalky042 It can fit in the hallway; drive it up or tractor it in through the ramp.
The Intrepid is not meant to fight. It is meant to run away.
"wahh wahh, starter ship has to do everything!" No, no it doesn't. Just because the marketing department decides to suddenly call something "starter" does not mean it is going to let someone just starting out do everything.
As much as I hate the titan it's pretty much better than the intrepid in every way
Not in every way. The Intrepid has a much better QT Range. And nicer interiour. The weapon racks are already useful.
And if you really want the Intrepid can carry more cargo offgrid. But no 4SCU containers.
@vonrosphe3098 interior is subjective. And I'd rather keep my weapon on my person. That and off grid cargo just means wasted space in the design
@@heathmorris6100 I just showed that the Titans isn't "better.. in every way"
And if you loot weapons a weapon rack is very useful. Or if you want to have different weapons /tools for different jobs.
This isn't even a competition if we rely on raw stats. With all that being said and with the Avenger Titan being my original pledge, its the kind of ship I have not had the urge to go back to even for some nostalgia factor. The Intrepid however is something I have been enjoying thoroughly. I think it might be because of its interior, but also because you do genuinely feel like a underdog in that ship, in that you can't really fight and have to sneak around problems or straight up avoid them, signaling some sort of progression "i need a different ship" instead of my ship does it all which the Avenger Titan is.
I prefer the Intrepid x10 ! Avenger Titan is way too old for my taste
Completely respect that. The level of polish on these new ships is amazing
Im a cutter supremacist
Good video. I think some people are just trying way too hard to or explain justify the Intrepid; they say it's not "fair", the Titan isn't a "starter", if the Intrepid had/gets this or that instead of what it actually has, the Intrepid is OK if only used or not used some particular way.... A proper starter ship is simply good for general use AND recommendation to a new player WITHOUT all the mental gymnastics, but regardless of labels or roles or stats or pricetags the Intrepid still loses. It is simply not a good ship no matter what or how you compare it to any other option whereas the Titan is a solid choice period. If a player with at least some experience still wants the Intrepid just because/regardless of facts that's fine for them, however CIG calling this goofy pile of gimmicks (if I'm being generous) a "starter" is just cruel and unusual punishment for anyone who doesn't know any better. 🍻
Syulen is better.
Syulen is one of the worst starter ships. Nice try.
@@vonrosphe3098 What, how?
@@athanoskerensky6778 Syulen looks very nice.
But it's a huge target, makes it worse for fighting. It can only carry 6 1SCU boxes.
It takes long to get from the ground into the cockpit seat. (Just see how fast you manage it with other ships)
And the Syulen isn''t very fast. At least it has 1 SCU of Q-Fuel.
They should give the Intrepid 1 size 5 repeater that cannot be changed out.
The intrepid is listed as a starter ship, the Titan is not listed as a Starter it is listed as a Courier. So you can not really judge these two side by size. Hands down the intrepid is better than Aurora, Mustang, or cutter.
They are absolutely comparable. Both can come with a game package, both are pretty much the same price and they are both listed as transport/light freight on the pledge store.
Always gets into "what is a starter". To me, the fact that it's sold with a game package at the price at or below any AAA game makes it one
🙄
With the current build, Titan still has an easy victory. With Maelstrom and engineering? It's a lot more fair for the Intrepid.
Closed off cargo grid means you won't vent the whole cargo bay every time you open it. Hit points are going away with Maelstrom and your ships won't explode, they'll fall appart and components will break, the amount of hit points ship have presently represent the armour they'll have with Maelstrom, meaning the Intrepid has 3x the armour.
While the Intrepid is no slouch on speed and maneuverability, it doesn't hold a candle to the Titan, so having a second t1 shield doesn't change much, you don't dodge as well, so more armour is a lot better than a shield that will only last about 2 seconds under fire.
The Pulse being glitchy on cargo grids atm is a physics issue of the Pulse, not the Intrepid.
I think there is a whole lot we don't know about maelstrom and armor which is why I refrain from making any strong statements about armor unless explicitly called out in the sale of a ship. Afaik crusader is not known to have heavily armored ships so it's hull HP wouldn't translate 1:1 imo. You're right though it is going to change everything when it gets here
I think the intrepid will get a few improvements over time