The difference between Amanda's performance and Elizabeth's is that Amanda is playing a character who the audience knows is a psychopath, but is trying to put on a performance of a kind and trust-worthy person, while Elizabeth is actually playing a kind and trust-worthy character, who the audience doesn't know is actually a psychopath.
YES thank you. Its a dive inside her mind, (although irl if her being a sociopath is true, there isn't nearly as much emotional conflict in her as they showed in the series). if she just did what we all saw then it wouldn't be any different than just watching holmes' life unravel irl
I think Amanda made a few necessary changes to make it more 'cinematic'. The longer pauses and extra shaking is for the tension. Movies are always a bit exaggerated, and they need to be. Otherwise, it might as well be a documentary. I'm sure Amanda was instructed to be a bit more dramatic, and she did a phenomenal job.
Also, I think the reason why Amanda didn't copy everything about Elizabeth's behavior, is because it would look cringy and carricature-ish. That's why actors make changes and don't copy the person they are portraying too much
It makes sense, yeah. Cinema is attempting to capture the feeling that real life often subdues. Amanda’s performance really increased the anxiety. I can feel like if I was in Holmes’ position, I would actually be miserable.
I just finished the show with Amanda Seyfried. And I feel like in a few ways the TV show was actually LESS dramatic than real life!?! I notice that Elizabeth's real hair in interviews is more disheveled looking than Amanda's, also I feel like Amanda didn't lower her voice to the same unnatural deepness that Elizabeth did. It's a strange situation of life being weirder than fiction.
im the last bit, i swear i saw another version of elizabeth holmes taking just as much time to answer. i might be a victim of the mandela effect, but I still think this video has a cut for the real life version lol
I’m not a medical professional and still an undergrad myself but after hearing more about this I’m really confused how anyone ever believed her or her company’s blood testing thing would work
Amanda couldn't quite get her voice as low as Robot Elizabeth, but otherwise she gave an Emmy-worthy performance in The Dropout. It takes a lot of work for an attractive, engaging, charismatic actress to transform into whatever the hell species Elizabeth Holmes is.
I think the voice came out as intended. Elizabeths normal pitch is probably naturally lower (and then she lowered it even more) - if Amanda had tried to get there, it'd have sounded silly
@@w.t.1338 Well yes, but in a serious psychological thriller movie like this one I think having the main character who is supposed to be psychopathic would be in poor taste. Could you imagine Birdbox with Sandra Bullock sounding like Mickey Mouse? People would think that it's a joke.
It does not make sense. Why correct the actual character? After all, the whole thing with Holmes is because she wasn't making all those gestures. A trickster who shakes and rolls her eyes? Laughable.
@@jakubzmijzielina Because it's a portrayal. It would honestly be pretty boring if she just did whatever Holmes did without the added gestures which adds tension. She's not here to deceive you like Holmes, she's here to show how scary Holmes is or can be.
The difference between Holmes and Seyfried's portrayal is by the time The Dropout aired we were all in on the "gag" as it were. Playing Holmes strictly as herself would have actually made for a dull series, Amanda injected enough knowing into her portrayal to keep it grounded in reality but with that knowing wink to the audience that says "we all know how this ends, right?" Seyfried was just phenomenal in this role. I actually felt a little sorry for Holmes.
You are mistaking confidence for sociopathic! Seyfried did a great job, but she has emotions unlike Holmes so it was hard for her to be so robotic. She did a great job though. She nailed her for the most part.
Oh yes, that tight jaw thing just ruined the whole series for me. I really hope that future dramatizations of the Elizabeth Holmes story don't have that tight jaw thing. If their going to do a proper impersonation of Ms. Holmes, actresses simply must loosen their jaws.
This will sound controversial, but I think Seyfried adds more emotion because if she played the character as robotic, she would ironically look like a bad actor…Holmes is so unexciting the character would look boring if played that monotone
Nah, she didn't fool me, but she did fool some other (potential) investors who completely ignored facts such as her being a college drop out and a nepo baby in elite circles. She knew how to play them like a fiddle and they fell for it.
I'm not sure whether the real Holmes or Seyfried looks creepier on that stark white background with the fluorescent lights illuminating their eyes. They each look disturbing and uncanny in different ways - Holmes' eyes are totally dead and vacant like a doll's or a robot's while Seyfried's look like a cat's or a reptile's.
I think the makeup that they did in Amanda helped her eyes look cat or reptile-like, her eyes look fierce rather than the empty ones she was portraying. Maybe if they followed the shape of her eyes when putting the eyeshadow instead of the winged eyeshadow, it would probably suit her? (Idk)
I think Amanda Seyfried did a phenomenal job in her portrayal of an actual living person. I don't think I'm impressed by many actors these days, but I am impressed with her performance and think she deserves much greater credit than she seems to have gotten so far.
I think Amanda looks too unhinged unstable, and insecure. The real woman seems calm, still, confident, and calculated (which makes her all the more creepy)
Amanda is playing a normal human being, with unusual drive, who got in over her head. This is not who Holmes is. Homes is s psychopath. None of this raging tension and terror under the surface was ever there.
Amanda’s Elizabeth is definitely not a normal human being. She’s humanized a bit, sure. But she’s most certainly not normal. She’s at best a deluded, self-righteous narcissist.
I think Seyfried overdid it with her acting. Holmes looks so natural with her lies. Seyfried looks like she's shaky in a scheming way. Holmes was scheming, but you can take it a notch down with the "show don't tell" because everyone knows Holmes' story.
Reminds me of how Ed Kemper was portrayed in Mindhunter. Based on available footage of him, the real life Ed Kemper seemed like a genuinely nice and ordinary guy. Kinda terrifying considering what he did. The actor who played him, although he did a phenomenal job, played a much creepier version. Something about his performance was just unsettling. This is just how it goes in dramatization of real events, as can also be seen in Amanda's portrayal of Holmes. Reality is heightened just a little.
I agree and i don't really buy it because of that. Maybe it's an artistic choice and that's fine, but i personally had a hard time watching Amanda in this role and believing her.
And if he portrayed him just like irl, then people would say "In the series he was portrayed as a nice guy while irl he was a psycho", just goes to show how people change their minds
The show tried to make her appear more “unstable” and human whilst in reality she was ruthless, confident and intimidatingly psychopathic. I think it would be very hard to imitate her. As one would have to completely suppress all emotion and the try to emulate emotions in a logical and learned way.
Amanda is too intense with her delivery. Elizabeth is actually less harsh. I think Amanda saw how intense Elizabeth's eyes and mouth were and couldn't break down the difference between that and Elizabeth's more controlled disposition.
But now that I think about it. We had to get a better glimpse into what we are actually seeing inside Elizabeth's mind and feelings or else we would never think that Elizabeth knew herself to be a con. So I guess Amanda's performance is spot on in need for cinematic narrative.
Amanda's portrayal is bone chilling. She added some of her own flair but the way she constantly nods when talking, the deeper voice, the intense stares, basically had to dehumanize herself. She did amazing in this series.
"Elizabeth Holmes’ is a story that could happen only in America...Others will judge the technical aspects of Theranos, but the social implications are vast." - Henry Kissinger writing about Elizabeth Holmes in Time Magazine's Top 100, 2015
She’s good but Lily James’ performance just sticked with me more..blew me away. Her vocal transformation,accent, pacing, tone, and the physical transformation all the prosthetics, false teeth etc And she acted her socks off through these which is very hard can’t imagine.
Amanda Seyfried nods and shakes her head too much. Holmes is very steady compared to Seyfried. My guess is that Seyfried might be doing this to make Holmes appear as though she is always searching for the answer. Seyfried hesitated way too long compared to Holmes when Holmes replied she didn't have very many secrets. When I look at Seyfried's performance she comes across unsure of what to say next. When I look at Holmes, she comes across as Dustin Hoffman Rain Man.
Amanda Seyfried isn't actually a nerd con artist with psychopathy. So, generally, Seyfried's face is more expressive and alive. I think a consistently realistic recreation of Holmes in a fictional film would be unwatchable for most people. Nerd con artists are generally only attractive at all to other nerds -- Holmes would not have succeeded in another time in American business culture.
Elizabeth does shake somewhat during the Bill Clinton interview and the white-background promo at the end, so it's not out of nowhere. But Elizabeth's shaking comes across as nervousness. Amanda exaggerates it a lot, and I agree she's doing it to reasons you said. It's funny you mentioned Rain Man, as I have a theory that Elizabeth has high functioning autism (formerly aspergers). It came across in the Charlie Rose interview the most...the way Elizabeth looks down like that and talks in such a deliberate way. That's not her searching for answers/lies like Amanda's portraying...that's her actually trying to recall what she wants to say and kind of force the words to come out. She has to look down because eye contact will ruin this whole process...classic autism symptom, among other signs I've noticed.
@@DarkSpiderZero the relationship between autism and psycopathy - is psychopathy “on the spectrum”? A form of autism? A symptom? Something else? - is actively debated by neurologists and psych. scientists.
The reality is Holmes was clearly a psychopath and we could all see she was unhinged. No actor could deliver that without looking like a ‘ham’ but I think Seyfried is doing as good a job as any actor could because Holmes herself was acting the whole time.
Great acting but somehow miscast I think. Amanda portrays Elizabeth with a sort of terror and tension boiling beneath the surface. It is nowhere evident in Elizabeth. She humanises her, a good thing usually for morally grey characters. I think Elizabeth hews more to the darker tones of grey than light.
Amanda is showing all over that she is plotting. EH is smooth. Also their face shapes are totally different, Amandas eyes are far apart so we cant get the same stare out of her!
To me, the most telling sign of her narcissism is the Charlie Rose clip. Watch as she ONLY smiles whenever making eye contact with him, and not when she is looking away while trying to think and articulate. It's as a tool, as though she is a salesperson and it certainly isn't a smile used genuinely but rather, to manipulate.
@@mystique592 period dramas are fantasy. In bridgerton queen charlotte is also a black woman. But I never see movie makers changing ethnicities for the main character In recent history biopics.
It's a very slight thing, but I feel like Amanda is doing a "deep female voice" and Elizabeth actually tried to sound masculine. It's almost like she was trying to imitate Zuckerberg or Jobs. Just that very flat.. "bad imitation of a dude" voice, the kind of thing girls do when they make fun of guys. I still think Amanda did a fantastic job though!
People were impressed that she was 19 when she started.... If I were applying for an Executive Administrative Assistant position somewhere, they would want someone seasoned, older, and with a lot of experience. She was 19. And a drop out. And she gets applauded.... The people that got screwed in this situation should have needed a few more credentials than what she brought, or didn't bring, to the table. They wouldn't have hired an unseasoned Executive Assistant, yet they invested all of this money into her untested theories.
I don't work in the medical field and the claims seemed fantastical at best. How everyone was just giving her millions of dollars just because is beyond me.
Is it bad I feel like they should have entertained digitally lowering her voice post-change? It's totally possible to do without taking away the rawness of Amanda's portrayal.
But the whole point was that elizabeth was manually manipulating her vocal folds to lower her voice. Allegedly she believed it made her more trust worthy and believable. There are clips of her natural voice and it’s much higher.
@@calebross1794 Her deep voice creeps me out fr, makes me not trust her, simply she is even lying about how deep her voice is. It does not look natural it looks forced lol
I like her performance. I don't want just a carbon copy of Holmes, I wanted to see a portrayal of her behavior plus having an insight what she's probably thinking in those moments. Amanda did that with the nods, long pauses and even her eyes.
I think Amanda’s long pauses was the only one I didn’t like. She looked like she didn’t have confidence. And the real holmes looked like she had by speaking without pausing.
a lot of people seems to be taking issue with her portrayal but i agree! she was a lil awkward in the first couple episodes but she transformed throughout the season into a pretty compelling version of EH🩸🩸
@@ryanschultz8462 I thought she copied her mannerisms rather well as it went on, especially the public re-enactments. I felt she managed to look like Elizabeth Holmes without looking like Elizabeth Holmes. It makes more sense in my head lol.
All she had to do was keeping working on the tech and nothing else. She was trying to be famous. If she stayed in school and was honest, she would’ve been able to invent some kind of blood test technology that actually helped
Not necessarily. There are plenty of people who graduate engineering school who don't create groudbreaking technology or tech that works. They just plug away...
It's literally in Elizabeth's eyes. They're uncomfortable to look at, because they're devoid of anything that makes us humans. Empathy, conscience.. I didn't even know that Holmes was diagnosed with Psychopathy and watching her eyes so wide and bright but completely lifeless and empty is fucking terrifying.
Interesting how she’s owning up to how Theranos was never about the people and helping others but it was about HER. The vehicle used was Theranos but she her intentions weren’t about about “people not having to say bye too soon” all of that was performative.
As a 26 year old entrepreneur, i was looking for inspiring business movies or series to watch. It is now 3 AM, i could not stop binging The Dropout series. I stumbled onto this without diving too deep in the trailers. During episode 1,2 and 3 i was rooting for Elizabeth because the entrepreneurial spirit it takes to overcome obstacles. About 4 episodes in i started hating this woman with every fiber in me. By the time she changed her voice to be more "deep" i was about to pull my hair out. Can you imagine the bone chilling shock i got at the end of episode 8 when they started listing the real-life case updates, it was literally just then that i realized this was a real life event. I am young and not from the US, so i never heard of Theranos or the real Elizabeth. This is insane on a level unimaginable. Elizabeth, you are a disgrace to all Women, Humanity and the entire Entrepreneur Society. The fact that even after all this, you can remain cool about your crimes proves you are a psychopathic monster with alien eyes, a demons hart and an insufferable pretentious voice. I hope justice prevails in honor of all lives lost, families ruined financially or in health. F YOU!
I didn't like her portrayal of E.H. Amanda is a great actress, don't get me wrong. But I agree with others that she was playing a psychopath instead of a person appearing to be a "genius". I'm interested to see the story thru a different actress. And again, *MUCH LOVE* for Amanda. I've adored her since Mean Girls. But I don't personally like her portrayal here 😕
I'm only able to base my opinion on the small amount of comparison shown, however, it appears that neither a body language expert nor a linguist were on set. Elizabeth used a very exaggerated and poorly executed deep voice when she spoke as well as unnatural, fabricated facial expressions. Such as extended durations without blinking and limited facial movement. These were all a part of her manipulation and attempt to control her environment. Although these idiosyncrasies often naturally occur in people with antisocial personality disorders, like her idol Steve Jobs, hers were rehearsed. I wish Amanda would have done a better job of focusing on these mannerisms. It would have made her portrayal much more believable. * Sorry for the novel I wrote and thank you to those who read it in its entirety. I spared you the analysis of her body language, in part because I couldn't get enough detail from the short amount of video shown.
i think she actually was. in the last scene of the show when she's getting into the taxi, she speaks with a normally pitched voice, showing that she was lowering her voice the whole time.
Elizabeth Holmes reminds me of a person in 1900 demonstrating a machine that can play chess, only with a real human being inside. Today, good chess computers are as small as a pocket calculator. In 2060, Holmes' idea will be a reality.
I don't understand the enthusiasm for the role of Amanda. Her behavior is not at all similar. Elizabeth is ice-cold psycho while Amanda is symapthetic nervous teen.
Amanda replaced Kate McKinnon after Kate dropped out last minute, and I keep thinking about how Kate would have mastered the role. Amanda is a good actress but she does not have the look and can't master the voice. Kate's facial features are more similar to Elizabeth's and she has a naturally low voice
i know the piece abt her having a new BF and dog is true.. i almost added that.. but the ending with the uber was probably for dramatic effect. The writers said in an interview the originally ending was going to be her and her BF at burning man, which i personally think would’ve been more fitting..
Is no one else noticing the placement of random, unrelated clips in here (like at 1:25, 1:40) for a split second? They look like clips from a movie with Gerard Butler or something. Please tell me what is the point of this??
@@minavamp2811 Oh I wasn’t aware. Is Megyn Kelly known for a fake low voice? I sort of see it as essential to the Elizabeth Holmes role. That’s just my opinion
Honestly this Elizabeth person looks like someone with zero credibility. I mean it's literally there on her face, in her mannerisms. Right there. So when someone says that they don't like a particular person because of how they look and talk, it doesn't always mean that they are being judgemental or mean. It sometimes means that they can just see through the garb.
The problem is that Amanda actually has personality and she seems to be using it in her portrayal, but EH has no personality. Besides the deep voice and uncomfortable laughs and smile, she’s flat and very dull. At least in her interviews.
@@emilywandosen8472 Right? It's like Amanda is actually an authentic human being, but EH is robotic, regurgitating the same old lines, with no charisma at all. She's a bad actress, and a bad actress could've played her role perfectly. The irony!
@@Tina-jg6jb I am sure that Elizabeth was never stressed out about being caught. She is a narc and ppl like them don’t care about the consequences. Amanda brought a lot of emotions and feelings into her character. Amanda portrayed her as more stressed frantic person while Elizabeth was robotic and emotionless. I loved Amanda’s acting and it was phenomenal but it wasn’t an accurate take of Elizabeth. There will be also a movie about Elizabeth, starring Jennifer Lawrence now I am wondering how her take will be.
@@emilywandosen8472 Completely agree. Psychopaths have no stress response. (so I've learned from YT:) But the show was rather interesting to watch, I'll have to finish it soon, and would love to see how JL does.
It shows how morally bankrupt our society is when kind people with self-doubt often end up homeless, and mentally ill psychopaths and people who care only about themselves end up at the top of our society. The Greeks knew about this problem but sadly in over 2000 years we have yet to find a way to manage it
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 So are you saying our society should be based on - the person with the most strength of force gets to rule? actually what am I saying - that is what our society is based on
The real Elizabeth didn't constantly nod her head while talking the way Amanda does in her portrayal. It was distracting at times though a great performance.
The difference between Amanda's performance and Elizabeth's is that Amanda is playing a character who the audience knows is a psychopath, but is trying to put on a performance of a kind and trust-worthy person, while Elizabeth is actually playing a kind and trust-worthy character, who the audience doesn't know is actually a psychopath.
YES thank you. Its a dive inside her mind, (although irl if her being a sociopath is true, there isn't nearly as much emotional conflict in her as they showed in the series). if she just did what we all saw then it wouldn't be any different than just watching holmes' life unravel irl
Exactly.
well said.
That BLEW MY MIND
Mind blowing and well said
I think Amanda made a few necessary changes to make it more 'cinematic'. The longer pauses and extra shaking is for the tension. Movies are always a bit exaggerated, and they need to be. Otherwise, it might as well be a documentary.
I'm sure Amanda was instructed to be a bit more dramatic, and she did a phenomenal job.
Also, I think the reason why Amanda didn't copy everything about Elizabeth's behavior, is because it would look cringy and carricature-ish. That's why actors make changes and don't copy the person they are portraying too much
It makes sense, yeah. Cinema is attempting to capture the feeling that real life often subdues. Amanda’s performance really increased the anxiety. I can feel like if I was in Holmes’ position, I would actually be miserable.
I just finished the show with Amanda Seyfried. And I feel like in a few ways the TV show was actually LESS dramatic than real life!?! I notice that Elizabeth's real hair in interviews is more disheveled looking than Amanda's, also I feel like Amanda didn't lower her voice to the same unnatural deepness that Elizabeth did. It's a strange situation of life being weirder than fiction.
im the last bit, i swear i saw another version of elizabeth holmes taking just as much time to answer. i might be a victim of the mandela effect, but I still think this video has a cut for the real life version lol
No she didn't
Amanda did a good job but still Elizabeth's acting skills are better
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Of course! That's how she became a successful fraud.
I’m not a medical professional and still an undergrad myself but after hearing more about this I’m really confused how anyone ever believed her or her company’s blood testing thing would work
Psychopaths are great at getting people to believe them.
Greed
@@zaimahbegum-diamond1660 this. They couldn’t resist getting in on the ground floor of something so big, even if it was totally made up.
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Because men never scam people. Doi.
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If I ever get infamous, it's comforting to know that I'll be played by someone infinitely more attractive than me.
Amanda couldn't quite get her voice as low as Robot Elizabeth, but otherwise she gave an Emmy-worthy performance in The Dropout. It takes a lot of work for an attractive, engaging, charismatic actress to transform into whatever the hell species Elizabeth Holmes is.
I think the voice came out as intended. Elizabeths normal pitch is probably naturally lower (and then she lowered it even more) - if Amanda had tried to get there, it'd have sounded silly
@@mialia15104 but Elizabeth’s voice does sound silly.
@@w.t.1338 Well yes, but in a serious psychological thriller movie like this one I think having the main character who is supposed to be psychopathic would be in poor taste. Could you imagine Birdbox with Sandra Bullock sounding like Mickey Mouse? People would think that it's a joke.
Amanda said she got her voice as low as she could, but there were physicsl limitations.
Nobody has Elizabeth’s voice
I want to moisturise Elizabeth's hair so badly!
Lmaoooo. For a billionaire her hair looks so bad. It's so dry 😭
Omfg I wheezed laughed
It just screams split ends right?
Honestly I was wondering how they got Amanda's hair to look like that too. Did they just bake it with a flat iron?
And dry her pores.
I love the way Amanda moves her lips when she talks. That little gesture make her look creepier and hence more accurate. She was amazing.
It does not make sense. Why correct the actual character? After all, the whole thing with Holmes is because she wasn't making all those gestures. A trickster who shakes and rolls her eyes? Laughable.
@@jakubzmijzielina Because it's a portrayal. It would honestly be pretty boring if she just did whatever Holmes did without the added gestures which adds tension. She's not here to deceive you like Holmes, she's here to show how scary Holmes is or can be.
I honestly feel like it looks unnatural and exaggerated
The difference between Holmes and Seyfried's portrayal is by the time The Dropout aired we were all in on the "gag" as it were. Playing Holmes strictly as herself would have actually made for a dull series, Amanda injected enough knowing into her portrayal to keep it grounded in reality but with that knowing wink to the audience that says "we all know how this ends, right?" Seyfried was just phenomenal in this role. I actually felt a little sorry for Holmes.
Never feel sorry for a narcissist like Holmes, she relies on that to absolve herself of guilt or remorse of any kind
Holmes come across much more confident that Seyfried
And I don't like what Seyfried does with her jaw... Why is it so tight when Holmes' jaw is so loose? 😔
You are mistaking confidence for sociopathic! Seyfried did a great job, but she has emotions unlike Holmes so it was hard for her to be so robotic. She did a great job though. She nailed her for the most part.
Guys, it's not impersonation, It's acting. Actors try to capture the essence of the subject, not necessarily impersonate it.
Oh yes, that tight jaw thing just ruined the whole series for me. I really hope that future dramatizations of the Elizabeth Holmes story don't have that tight jaw thing. If their going to do a proper impersonation of Ms. Holmes, actresses simply must loosen their jaws.
This will sound controversial, but I think Seyfried adds more emotion because if she played the character as robotic, she would ironically look like a bad actor…Holmes is so unexciting the character would look boring if played that monotone
Elizabeth Holmes needs an Oscar for her acting, she fooled everyone.
NOT ME, WITH THAT CRAZY VOICE I KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF
Ony simps.
Nah, she didn't fool me, but she did fool some other (potential) investors who completely ignored facts such as her being a college drop out and a nepo baby in elite circles. She knew how to play them like a fiddle and they fell for it.
I'm not sure whether the real Holmes or Seyfried looks creepier on that stark white background with the fluorescent lights illuminating their eyes. They each look disturbing and uncanny in different ways - Holmes' eyes are totally dead and vacant like a doll's or a robot's while Seyfried's look like a cat's or a reptile's.
Exactly.
I think the makeup that they did in Amanda helped her eyes look cat or reptile-like, her eyes look fierce rather than the empty ones she was portraying. Maybe if they followed the shape of her eyes when putting the eyeshadow instead of the winged eyeshadow, it would probably suit her? (Idk)
I think she’s supposed to be a snake lol
I think Amanda Seyfried did a phenomenal job in her portrayal of an actual living person. I don't think I'm impressed by many actors these days, but I am impressed with her performance and think she deserves much greater credit than she seems to have gotten so far.
Absolutely agreed.
I think Amanda looks too unhinged unstable, and insecure. The real woman seems calm, still, confident, and calculated (which makes her all the more creepy)
Amanda is playing a normal human being, with unusual drive, who got in over her head. This is not who Holmes is. Homes is s psychopath. None of this raging tension and terror under the surface was ever there.
Amanda’s Elizabeth is definitely not a normal human being. She’s humanized a bit, sure. But she’s most certainly not normal. She’s at best a deluded, self-righteous narcissist.
The show does display her psychopath tendencies though
Exactly
EH always has a smiling face... because she is proud of lying and manupulating... they never show.
Amanda is showing
You can't really play a sociopath like EH. You'd have to be one yourself to relate, lol.
I think Seyfried overdid it with her acting. Holmes looks so natural with her lies. Seyfried looks like she's shaky in a scheming way. Holmes was scheming, but you can take it a notch down with the "show don't tell" because everyone knows Holmes' story.
She's a dude playing a dude disguised as a shaky dude
Well, it is supposed to be a dramatic portrayal.
She reminds me much more of Kristen Stewart than Elizabeth Holmes.
Reminds me of how Ed Kemper was portrayed in Mindhunter. Based on available footage of him, the real life Ed Kemper seemed like a genuinely nice and ordinary guy. Kinda terrifying considering what he did. The actor who played him, although he did a phenomenal job, played a much creepier version. Something about his performance was just unsettling.
This is just how it goes in dramatization of real events, as can also be seen in Amanda's portrayal of Holmes. Reality is heightened just a little.
That is an apt comparison.. it’s a bit hard for the audience and actors to ignore hindsight ..
I agree and i don't really buy it because of that. Maybe it's an artistic choice and that's fine, but i personally had a hard time watching Amanda in this role and believing her.
And if he portrayed him just like irl, then people would say "In the series he was portrayed as a nice guy while irl he was a psycho", just goes to show how people change their minds
@@lifePlusJoeythis I was gonna say that
The show tried to make her appear more “unstable” and human whilst in reality she was ruthless, confident and intimidatingly psychopathic.
I think it would be very hard to imitate her. As one would have to completely suppress all emotion and the try to emulate emotions in a logical and learned way.
THIS! It seems in a few scenes, the maker tried to whitewash her image. For me she is downright psychopath.
Amanda is too intense with her delivery. Elizabeth is actually less harsh. I think Amanda saw how intense Elizabeth's eyes and mouth were and couldn't break down the difference between that and Elizabeth's more controlled disposition.
But now that I think about it. We had to get a better glimpse into what we are actually seeing inside Elizabeth's mind and feelings or else we would never think that Elizabeth knew herself to be a con. So I guess Amanda's performance is spot on in need for cinematic narrative.
I like how they changed "daddy" in the letter to just dad. A necessary change for today's audience lmao
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Elizabeth's eyes are freaking haunting
Amanda's portrayal is bone chilling. She added some of her own flair but the way she constantly nods when talking, the deeper voice, the intense stares, basically had to dehumanize herself. She did amazing in this series.
"Elizabeth Holmes’ is a story that could happen only in America...Others will judge the technical aspects of Theranos, but the social implications are vast."
- Henry Kissinger writing about Elizabeth Holmes in Time Magazine's Top 100, 2015
Takes one sociopath to describe another...
He also supports putin
Elizabeth Holmes has the some of the most chilling eyes I’ve ever seen
Omg right? Im shocked not more people are mentioning it here her eyes are freaky. She scares me to be honest.
Amanda's eye makeup application isn't crappy enough, and I feel they should have done more with it to imitate Holmes's sanpaku.
I think Amanda captured Elizabeth's true essence that Elizabeth was masking so well.
Amanda Seyfried deserves an Emmy for her portrayal of EH.
JLAW is going to take her shot at it, so well see.
@@carlosrivas1629why tho
She was nothing like her
She’s good but Lily James’ performance just sticked with me more..blew me away. Her vocal transformation,accent, pacing, tone, and the physical transformation all the prosthetics, false teeth etc And she acted her socks off through these which is very hard can’t imagine.
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Amanda Seyfried nods and shakes her head too much. Holmes is very steady compared to Seyfried. My guess is that Seyfried might be doing this to make Holmes appear as though she is always searching for the answer. Seyfried hesitated way too long compared to Holmes when Holmes replied she didn't have very many secrets. When I look at Seyfried's performance she comes across unsure of what to say next. When I look at Holmes, she comes across as Dustin Hoffman Rain Man.
Amanda Seyfried isn't actually a nerd con artist with psychopathy. So, generally, Seyfried's face is more expressive and alive. I think a consistently realistic recreation of Holmes in a fictional film would be unwatchable for most people. Nerd con artists are generally only attractive at all to other nerds -- Holmes would not have succeeded in another time in American business culture.
@@emoedison Thank you
Elizabeth does shake somewhat during the Bill Clinton interview and the white-background promo at the end, so it's not out of nowhere. But Elizabeth's shaking comes across as nervousness. Amanda exaggerates it a lot, and I agree she's doing it to reasons you said.
It's funny you mentioned Rain Man, as I have a theory that Elizabeth has high functioning autism (formerly aspergers). It came across in the Charlie Rose interview the most...the way Elizabeth looks down like that and talks in such a deliberate way. That's not her searching for answers/lies like Amanda's portraying...that's her actually trying to recall what she wants to say and kind of force the words to come out. She has to look down because eye contact will ruin this whole process...classic autism symptom, among other signs I've noticed.
Jennifer Lawrence would be better?
@@DarkSpiderZero the relationship between autism and psycopathy - is psychopathy “on the spectrum”? A form of autism? A symptom? Something else? - is actively debated by neurologists and psych. scientists.
The reality is Holmes was clearly a psychopath and we could all see she was unhinged. No actor could deliver that without looking like a ‘ham’ but I think Seyfried is doing as good a job as any actor could because Holmes herself was acting the whole time.
Great acting but somehow miscast I think. Amanda portrays Elizabeth with a sort of terror and tension boiling beneath the surface. It is nowhere evident in Elizabeth.
She humanises her, a good thing usually for morally grey characters. I think Elizabeth hews more to the darker tones of grey than light.
Amanda is showing all over that she is plotting. EH is smooth.
Also their face shapes are totally different, Amandas eyes are far apart so we cant get the same stare out of her!
I feel like elizabeth smiles a lot more
Yeah especially her eyes. They don’t look mean but Amanda’s eyes portray more dramatic and mad-scientist crazy lol
Billion dollar smile- she is a great sales person of her vision even though it was flawed
To me, the most telling sign of her narcissism is the Charlie Rose clip. Watch as she ONLY smiles whenever making eye contact with him, and not when she is looking away while trying to think and articulate. It's as a tool, as though she is a salesperson and it certainly isn't a smile used genuinely but rather, to manipulate.
Elizabeth did a much better job of playing herself.
that took me a minute ngl
😂 Ha ha, true!
Amanda really did an amazing job. She blew me away.
A phenomenal performance. This series really had great casting!
I liked that they chose a white woman to play a white woman. You dont see it that much today.
@@Imboz do movie makers change ethnicities for biographies? 😂😂 was Steve Jobs played by a black guy ? I don’t think so 🤣🤣
@@Imboz Oof are you colourblind or are you simply blind
@@mystique592 period dramas are fantasy. In bridgerton queen charlotte is also a black woman. But I never see movie makers changing ethnicities for the main character In recent history biopics.
@@Imboz Daniel Young role's was played by a black guy in this series.
Unfortunately, Amanda could not lower her voice an octave like Elizabeth could and did
It's a very slight thing, but I feel like Amanda is doing a "deep female voice" and Elizabeth actually tried to sound masculine. It's almost like she was trying to imitate Zuckerberg or Jobs. Just that very flat.. "bad imitation of a dude" voice, the kind of thing girls do when they make fun of guys. I still think Amanda did a fantastic job though!
Yes! She's doing the voice that a lot of women do when jokingly imitating there husband. Deep and kinda dopey.
@@EmeraldAshesAudio Exactly
I feel like Amanda is almost too pretty to portray Elizabeth. But, she got the voice and mannerisms down.
People were impressed that she was 19 when she started.... If I were applying for an Executive Administrative Assistant position somewhere, they would want someone seasoned, older, and with a lot of experience. She was 19. And a drop out. And she gets applauded.... The people that got screwed in this situation should have needed a few more credentials than what she brought, or didn't bring, to the table. They wouldn't have hired an unseasoned Executive Assistant, yet they invested all of this money into her untested theories.
IKR!
Connections and privilege makes fools lose their money.
I don't work in the medical field and the claims seemed fantastical at best.
How everyone was just giving her millions of dollars just because is beyond me.
Although Amanda's acting was great but she made her more of an awkward anxious person where the former is cold and emotionless person.
Is it bad I feel like they should have entertained digitally lowering her voice post-change? It's totally possible to do without taking away the rawness of Amanda's portrayal.
But the whole point was that elizabeth was manually manipulating her vocal folds to lower her voice. Allegedly she believed it made her more trust worthy and believable. There are clips of her natural voice and it’s much higher.
@@calebross1794 Her deep voice creeps me out fr, makes me not trust her, simply she is even lying about how deep her voice is. It does not look natural it looks forced lol
I like her performance. I don't want just a carbon copy of Holmes, I wanted to see a portrayal of her behavior plus having an insight what she's probably thinking in those moments. Amanda did that with the nods, long pauses and even her eyes.
I think Amanda’s long pauses was the only one I didn’t like. She looked like she didn’t have confidence. And the real holmes looked like she had by speaking without pausing.
For a female Bill Gates/Steve Jobs she couldn’t recall over 600 things it couldn’t be more hilarious
I loved The Dropout. I thought Amanda Seyfried did an excellent job, but that’s just my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
a lot of people seems to be taking issue with her portrayal but i agree! she was a lil awkward in the first couple episodes but she transformed throughout the season into a pretty compelling version of EH🩸🩸
@@ryanschultz8462 I thought she copied her mannerisms rather well as it went on, especially the public re-enactments. I felt she managed to look like Elizabeth Holmes without looking like Elizabeth Holmes. It makes more sense in my head lol.
All she had to do was keeping working on the tech and nothing else. She was trying to be famous. If she stayed in school and was honest, she would’ve been able to invent some kind of blood test technology that actually helped
Not necessarily. There are plenty of people who graduate engineering school who don't create groudbreaking technology or tech that works. They just plug away...
It's literally in Elizabeth's eyes. They're uncomfortable to look at, because they're devoid of anything that makes us humans. Empathy, conscience.. I didn't even know that Holmes was diagnosed with Psychopathy and watching her eyes so wide and bright but completely lifeless and empty is fucking terrifying.
at 02:30 she's too terrifying I honestly don't know how people thought those ads were a good idea
@@Marinlss AI robot. She and Mark Zuckerberg like everyone write has the same look. They look and act like AI robots.
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Interesting how she’s owning up to how Theranos was never about the people and helping others but it was about HER. The vehicle used was Theranos but she her intentions weren’t about about “people not having to say bye too soon” all of that was performative.
nah, the actress didnt even come close the psychopath this woman was...
Her fake voice was her most distinguishing and yet the movie character completely missed it.
As a 26 year old entrepreneur, i was looking for inspiring business movies or series to watch. It is now 3 AM, i could not stop binging The Dropout series. I stumbled onto this without diving too deep in the trailers. During episode 1,2 and 3 i was rooting for Elizabeth because the entrepreneurial spirit it takes to overcome obstacles. About 4 episodes in i started hating this woman with every fiber in me. By the time she changed her voice to be more "deep" i was about to pull my hair out. Can you imagine the bone chilling shock i got at the end of episode 8 when they started listing the real-life case updates, it was literally just then that i realized this was a real life event. I am young and not from the US, so i never heard of Theranos or the real Elizabeth. This is insane on a level unimaginable. Elizabeth, you are a disgrace to all Women, Humanity and the entire Entrepreneur Society. The fact that even after all this, you can remain cool about your crimes proves you are a psychopathic monster with alien eyes, a demons hart and an insufferable pretentious voice. I hope justice prevails in honor of all lives lost, families ruined financially or in health. F YOU!
Realmente as olhos e a dança me parece alienígena
Amanda is too pretty to play Elizabeth
I feel like elizabeth has the same lizard eyes as mark zuckerberg?
I just thought of the exact same thing. They have the same look. Android like. Yes
I didn't like her portrayal of E.H. Amanda is a great actress, don't get me wrong. But I agree with others that she was playing a psychopath instead of a person appearing to be a "genius". I'm interested to see the story thru a different actress.
And again, *MUCH LOVE* for Amanda. I've adored her since Mean Girls. But I don't personally like her portrayal here 😕
"But I agree with others that she was playing a psychopath instead of a person appearing to be a "genius". " No, you got it after all.
girl she was a psychophath get the point??
Holmes looks like a robot not a genius
@@あかり-j3y6b Try not to take it literally.
i thought the reverse?
I'm only able to base my opinion on the small amount of comparison shown, however, it appears that neither a body language expert nor a linguist were on set. Elizabeth used a very exaggerated and poorly executed deep voice when she spoke as well as unnatural, fabricated facial expressions. Such as extended durations without blinking and limited facial movement. These were all a part of her manipulation and attempt to control her environment. Although these idiosyncrasies often naturally occur in people with antisocial personality disorders, like her idol Steve Jobs, hers were rehearsed. I wish Amanda would have done a better job of focusing on these mannerisms. It would have made her portrayal much more believable.
* Sorry for the novel I wrote and thank you to those who read it in its entirety. I spared you the analysis of her body language, in part because I couldn't get enough detail from the short amount of video shown.
I think Amanda Seyfried did an incredible acting job on this series
Why didn't they instruct Amanda to lower her voice? That is the most distinct quality of EH.
i think she actually was. in the last scene of the show when she's getting into the taxi, she speaks with a normally pitched voice, showing that she was lowering her voice the whole time.
Lizzy- my dad was in charge of the ENRON FRAUD. He taught me to rip-off every cent I could get my lying hands on.
THANKS DADDY!
2:30 she has the most creepiest eyes oh my god the fact that shes staring into the cameras soul does not make it any better
Elizabeth Holmes reminds me of a person in 1900 demonstrating a machine that can play chess, only with a real human being inside. Today, good chess computers are as small as a pocket calculator. In 2060, Holmes' idea will be a reality.
I think her ideas and visions are brilliant but they're poorly executed.
A breakthrough in STEM is not an easy feat. There are people who make it happen. People with visionary minds, growth mindset, and good ethics (?)
But in 2022 its a fraud... because futururistic medical ideas which wont work in present can put present patients in danger
@@forestshade9451 Yeah, you´re right. In this case fraud is a question of time.
Elizabeth would dream to look like Amanda
Usually @2:30 some eyelight makes the eyes lively as opposed to dull and dead. Here, however, it accentuates the crazy.
I don't understand the enthusiasm for the role of Amanda. Her behavior is not at all similar. Elizabeth is ice-cold psycho while Amanda is symapthetic nervous teen.
Amanda replaced Kate McKinnon after Kate dropped out last minute, and I keep thinking about how Kate would have mastered the role. Amanda is a good actress but she does not have the look and can't master the voice. Kate's facial features are more similar to Elizabeth's and she has a naturally low voice
Sometimes I wonder if she even wrote that note tbh
Just seeing the way Elizabeth's eyes changed from the Forbes cover to the interviews you can just see the lies in them.
2:26 well that's horrifying! Good to know what my next sleep paralysis demon will be though
Amanda Seyfried was a perfect cast for the role, she nailed it.
I need this video, but with the original first and then the reenactment
I think TH-cam is reading my mind cuz I was thinking that if Elizabeth's story has a movie. And there it is-
Can anyone tell me if the lizzy episode is based on fact or just for dramatic effects? Particularly when she screams while waiting for a uber
i know the piece abt her having a new BF and dog is true.. i almost added that.. but the ending with the uber was probably for dramatic effect. The writers said in an interview the originally ending was going to be her and her BF at burning man, which i personally think would’ve been more fitting..
@@ryanschultz8462 they do a good job it looks very believable going from billionaire to broke criminal would make anyone go nuts and scream
Why did they cut out Jimmy Ma? His face is giving.
truee i was wondering the same!
why do people think this performance is good its so overexadurated she plays the character like there is aliens controlling her body or something.
Still the real EH is painful and embarrassing to watch.
Is no one else noticing the placement of random, unrelated clips in here (like at 1:25, 1:40) for a split second? They look like clips from a movie with Gerard Butler or something. Please tell me what is the point of this??
My GOD .. elizabeth’s got such Scary looking eyes… the eyes look so so psycho😬
Ok Hulu, we see you! Brilliant job at recreating Elizabeth Holmes by an outstanding performance by Amanda Seyfried! 🎉
Seyfriend’s voice wasn’t low enough! 😂😂
Seyfried said she couldn’t get her voice that low.
@@tlpricescope7772 then they needed to find another actress! Lol
@@amyd7794 charlize theron voice wasn't as low as the natural voice of megyn kelly's voice, and she got an oscar nomination for it.
@@minavamp2811 Oh I wasn’t aware. Is Megyn Kelly known for a fake low voice? I sort of see it as essential to the Elizabeth Holmes role. That’s just my opinion
She did a pretty good job of getting HER voice to go lower. To sound like Holmes exactly would have been hard for most people.
Problem at 2:02 she only started talking lower when she got older. But they might just pretend that's her voice always to not confuse the audience.
Honestly this Elizabeth person looks like someone with zero credibility. I mean it's literally there on her face, in her mannerisms. Right there. So when someone says that they don't like a particular person because of how they look and talk, it doesn't always mean that they are being judgemental or mean. It sometimes means that they can just see through the garb.
Amanda did a great job with lowering her voice all the way to the underbite, very impressive acting
Both are amazing actresses !
Bruh the eyes….They’re staring at my soul 💀💀💀
I see no similarities, not in the face, voice, mannerisms, attitude, nothing. A totally different character that is just using the same words.
amanda's performance is amazing!
The problem is that Amanda actually has personality and she seems to be using it in her portrayal, but EH has no personality. Besides the deep voice and uncomfortable laughs and smile, she’s flat and very dull. At least in her interviews.
I agree.
@@emilywandosen8472 Right? It's like Amanda is actually an authentic human being, but EH is robotic, regurgitating the same old lines, with no charisma at all. She's a bad actress, and a bad actress could've played her role perfectly. The irony!
@@Tina-jg6jb I am sure that Elizabeth was never stressed out about being caught. She is a narc and ppl like them don’t care about the consequences. Amanda brought a lot of emotions and feelings into her character. Amanda portrayed her as more stressed frantic person while Elizabeth was robotic and emotionless. I loved Amanda’s acting and it was phenomenal but it wasn’t an accurate take of Elizabeth. There will be also a movie about Elizabeth, starring Jennifer Lawrence now I am wondering how her take will be.
@@emilywandosen8472 Completely agree. Psychopaths have no stress response. (so I've learned from YT:) But the show was rather interesting to watch, I'll have to finish it soon, and would love to see how JL does.
Did amanda seyfried get any awards for her performance?? I watched the whole thing and was VERY impressed by her performance!
amanda did an outstanding impression. I hope in her next film she plays someone likable.
If Holmes could lie her way to billionaire, you can lie about that college degree.
Like Elon Musk
The makeup of hers in the interview with rose charlie is a train wreck
Her voice sounds so deep compared to Amanda’s
Her voice creeps me out. To me it really shows how dissociated she became with herself
I must be the only person who doesn't think Amanda portrays her accurately
It shows how morally bankrupt our society is when kind people with self-doubt often end up homeless, and mentally ill psychopaths and people who care only about themselves end up at the top of our society. The Greeks knew about this problem but sadly in over 2000 years we have yet to find a way to manage it
Being kind does not make the world go round babe. Humans would have nothing if they didn't have conflict to influence them to make things
@@queerlibtardhippie9357 So are you saying our society should be based on - the person with the most strength of force gets to rule? actually what am I saying - that is what our society is based on
Seyfried’s voice wasn’t fake low enough
seyfried did a great job
The one aspect I was most curious about was whether she'd get the tone of the voice right and I am afraid she didn't.
Cause it was her versión of it. She physically couldn't go that low.
The real Elizabeth didn't constantly nod her head while talking the way Amanda does in her portrayal. It was distracting at times though a great performance.
To think that as of May 23, 2022, she's still free, living in a $135 million dollar mansion and just had a baby.
God the performance is incredible
Amanda Seyfried did an unbelievable job as Holmes. Lots of props!