OK, Chris, I'm buying it, the Adidas Pro 4. I trust your judgment. Thank you for your dispassionate and fair evaluation of all these shoes. Sometimes I might disagree with you, but that's because we all have different bodies, legs, weight, age, fitness, running techniques etc. But I always take your evaluation of every shoe very seriously. Thanks so much, once again. Have a great day, mate!
Great video as always Chris! Just got back from a 10K workout in the Endorphin Pro 4s and as someone fortunate enough to have both the Adios Pro 4 and the Alphafly 3 I must say the Endorphins are an absolute joy to train in and in my opinion compliment all other super shoes! Keep rocking it Fordy!
I ran Dubai Marathon in the Pro 3 on Sunday, in what was my debut marathon. I had a pair of the Pro 4s but had to send them back as they were too short for me in my normal running size, and out of stock a 1/2 size up. Wish I'd had them on Sunday though! The Pro 3s have ripped the soles of my feet to shreds and have a couple of beautiful blisters. Great video Fordy, I need to take a look at what my next race shoe is now as I won't be wearing the Pro 3s in a race again haha!
I have the Pro 4 and also Puma DNE3 and put decent miles in both now! The pro 4 is a great shoe but the Puma still works best for me, prefer the foam and the response of the DNE3.
I wish the heel area of the pro 4 was slightly firmer! If they used the lightstrike foam from the pro 3 in the heel, then I'd be 110% happy with the Pro 4, but unfortunately, this is my only gripe with the latest version 😏 I have no stability issues in it but as someone who tips the scales at 12st I just do not like the "suction" noise it makes if you heel strike. I've decided it's not my London shoe, waiting for the new Cielo to drop in February, so will try that and if I'm not keen then it will be an Alphafly 3 panic buy 😂
I will be running the LM in the AP4 too but I'm training in the AMSP (and others)and it's tough to compare - ASICS more narrow rear so won't be as forgiving in the longer distance if you "tire" races though did a PB in a 1/2 marathon. The AP4 has a more pronounced rocker than the ASICS to "move" you along especially in longer distances when you may tire whereas it seemed to me I still needed to "push" the Asics towards the end of the 1/2 to get the PB even striking mid to forefoot. One thing I like about the Adidas is that at least in the AP3 you can run at multiple speeds and be good whereas the asics requires you to move "fast" to "feel" them work. Hopefully the AP4 will also allow me to move at multiple speeds.
Pro 4 has a construction issues, the heel sections "sucks" to the road. It isnt suction as a suction cup but it is the new rubber in conjunction with the soft heel.
I've got a brand new pair of Metaspeed Sky's and Adios Pro 4s are on the way, I know the Sky's are probably too much for me (aiming for 3h 45 mara) but they are so damn pretty in that Ekiden colourway I cant bare to send them back and wondering if I can justify keeping them as a threshold training shoe :-D As a point of note on the pro 4's am I normally a 10.5 TTS and am currently deciding between an 11 and 11.5, thinking I'll go with 11 as the new upper is lovely and the snug fit seems fine with that. I am going to have to take the stock insole out and add in something wider though, I have flat, low volume feet with a wide forefoot, taping to a narrow heel (getting something to fit out the box is a nightmare!) and the insole really digs in to the underside of my right foot on the medial side, you can see this is because it's got pronounced edges unlike the Metaspeeds which are super flat and comfy, a nice little attention to detail for Asics there. Anyway cant wait to get out in them this weekend!
Looks like a lot of people are finding the Adios Pro 4 too soft. Did you also experience the enegy rods digging into your heel? or the heel end of the outsole having a sticky or suction cup sensation?
Thanks for the advice as always, I love Adidas the brand as a basketball player, but as a runner it's hit or miss for me, so I stick to Saucony. By the way, I love the upgrade in videography Fordy!
Is the Endorphin pro 4 and upgrade to the Speed for, I have the speed 4, would you recommend the pro 4 for my marathon or just sticking to my speed 4s?
Fordy thank you for all that you do for us really appreciate everything my dream shoe is the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris so in love with this shoe hopefully one day I can get a pair but thank you 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I just went for the metaspeed edge paris over the Adidas pro 4. Which I'll use for half marathon and under. I have the saucony pro 4 for the marathon. Worked great for me last year so no reason to change.
@RAKzC I tend to always get on with asics shoes (bar nimbus 26) I'm not a fan of cut outs on the sole which adidas pro 4 has and the softer foam didn't sound too appealing to me. But I haven't ran in the pro 4 and only done one run so far in the edge paris. So not a definitive view.
It's amazing that i still run in the Alphafly 1 and it's probably better than all of these. Almost hit a PB in Berlin in them. That's how far behind everyone else still is.
Chris, thank you for the video! What about durability? Adios Pro 3 is a monster of durability, because its midsole isn't so soft and it doesn't smash. Saucony and Asics are durable as well. I think that Pro 4 has a limited lifespan, just like the Nikes with zoom x. What do you think? I am asking because not a lot of people out there can afford buying super shoes very often. Regards.
Im not sure the AP4 will hold up like AP3 as that was a tank but let’s see the foam is defo more delicate and remember the evo is meant to be used for one race remember 🤦♂️
It should be compared to also Nike because the fact is that most marathon runners still wear Nike unless they are sponsored. A softer midsole could make Adidas a more direct competitor. The problem in my opinion is that if you chose a different shoe than runners around you and the course is not flat, it can cause you disadvantages in some parts of the course that you cannot make up in other parts. To give an example: 3 years ago I chose NB RC Elite v2 for an half marathon because it had gravel parts and I had realized that Nike VF doesn't have grip on gravel. Next %, however, excelled in downhill parts on asphalt and I was struggling with those NBs. So it's very difficult to choose to wear anything else than Nike unless one really believes that it's a faster shoe.
Agree; if you look at the carbon shoes used at marathons/parkruns I still see way more Vaporfly/Alphafly than anything else, so would be interesting so see those included in the comparison.
I picked up a pair half size up for Boston. My Vaporfly next %‘s rear grips came off at 8k of the Valencia marathon and are not race fit anymore so hopefully these pro 4’s have a similar feel to the goats. I have the metaspeed edge Paris but after 10k in those the form goes due to the narrow heel and I have the endorphin elites but 10 miles is the limit in those due to how aggressive they are. If the pro4's don't work it'll be vaporfly 2’s. No more money being spent on race shoes.
OK, Chris, I'm buying it, the Adidas Pro 4. I trust your judgment. Thank you for your dispassionate and fair evaluation of all these shoes. Sometimes I might disagree with you, but that's because we all have different bodies, legs, weight, age, fitness, running techniques etc. But I always take your evaluation of every shoe very seriously. Thanks so much, once again. Have a great day, mate!
Thank you mate and wish you all the best with them please let me know how it goes
@FordyRuns Will do, thank you.
Great video as always Chris!
Just got back from a 10K workout in the Endorphin Pro 4s and as someone fortunate enough to have both the Adios Pro 4
and the Alphafly 3 I must say the Endorphins are an absolute joy to train in and in my opinion compliment all other super shoes!
Keep rocking it Fordy!
I ran Dubai Marathon in the Pro 3 on Sunday, in what was my debut marathon. I had a pair of the Pro 4s but had to send them back as they were too short for me in my normal running size, and out of stock a 1/2 size up. Wish I'd had them on Sunday though! The Pro 3s have ripped the soles of my feet to shreds and have a couple of beautiful blisters. Great video Fordy, I need to take a look at what my next race shoe is now as I won't be wearing the Pro 3s in a race again haha!
I did Dubai, too. Second time. Too warm for running 26.2…
I have the Pro 4 and also Puma DNE3 and put decent miles in both now! The pro 4 is a great shoe but the Puma still works best for me, prefer the foam and the response of the DNE3.
I like that puma it’s a bit narrow for some but it’s a good shoe
Great video Fordy, there's so many brilliant shoes to choose from these days! 👟👟👟👟
Thanks a lot mate
I'm very interested to see how these new super squishy foams hold up over time.
Good point the pro3 from adidas was very good
@@FordyRuns Indeed, I've seen reports of people putting 300 mi+/500 km+ in the shoe and it still feeling fresh.
I wish the heel area of the pro 4 was slightly firmer! If they used the lightstrike foam from the pro 3 in the heel, then I'd be 110% happy with the Pro 4, but unfortunately, this is my only gripe with the latest version 😏 I have no stability issues in it but as someone who tips the scales at 12st I just do not like the "suction" noise it makes if you heel strike. I've decided it's not my London shoe, waiting for the new Cielo to drop in February, so will try that and if I'm not keen then it will be an Alphafly 3 panic buy 😂
interesting feedback thank you
Yowana was also not impressed with the suction noise (amongst other things)
It seems like Adidas is killing it this year!? Btw u said 20 million subscribers ?👀
Yeah we are very close have you subscribed?
I will be running the LM in the AP4 too but I'm training in the AMSP (and others)and it's tough to compare - ASICS more narrow rear so won't be as forgiving in the longer distance if you "tire" races though did a PB in a 1/2 marathon. The AP4 has a more pronounced rocker than the ASICS to "move" you along especially in longer distances when you may tire whereas it seemed to me I still needed to "push" the Asics towards the end of the 1/2 to get the PB even striking mid to forefoot. One thing I like about the Adidas is that at least in the AP3 you can run at multiple speeds and be good whereas the asics requires you to move "fast" to "feel" them work. Hopefully the AP4 will also allow me to move at multiple speeds.
Pro 4 has a construction issues, the heel sections "sucks" to the road.
It isnt suction as a suction cup but it is the new rubber in conjunction with the soft heel.
Can’t say I’ve had this problem what sort of stuff you been running on out of interest?
I got some suction thing going on too … I sent back, they felt too weird for me after 10k
Well done!
Thank you
Morning all. Excellent comparison. I prefer the Saucony endorphin pro 4. Like to Fordy. Have a great day.
Thank you
it's so funny to hear about marathon time over 4 hours in fastest carbon plated shoe! BRAVO!🤭
you're really true expert! 🤭🤭
Glad you liked it!!
try comparing them against the hoka rocket x 2, would love to know the difference. looks like a similar kind of profile
Nah that’s a 5 and 10k shoe for me not a marathon shoe for me … hoka prefer selling us the cielo for the marathon as well
I’ve nearly bought the Pro 4 three times in the last couple of days but my Alphafly 3 still have lots of miles in them and I love them 🤷♂️
I've got a brand new pair of Metaspeed Sky's and Adios Pro 4s are on the way, I know the Sky's are probably too much for me (aiming for 3h 45 mara) but they are so damn pretty in that Ekiden colourway I cant bare to send them back and wondering if I can justify keeping them as a threshold training shoe :-D
As a point of note on the pro 4's am I normally a 10.5 TTS and am currently deciding between an 11 and 11.5, thinking I'll go with 11 as the new upper is lovely and the snug fit seems fine with that. I am going to have to take the stock insole out and add in something wider though, I have flat, low volume feet with a wide forefoot, taping to a narrow heel (getting something to fit out the box is a nightmare!) and the insole really digs in to the underside of my right foot on the medial side, you can see this is because it's got pronounced edges unlike the Metaspeeds which are super flat and comfy, a nice little attention to detail for Asics there. Anyway cant wait to get out in them this weekend!
Enjoy!
Looks like a lot of people are finding the Adios Pro 4 too soft. Did you also experience the enegy rods digging into your heel? or the heel end of the outsole having a sticky or suction cup sensation?
No issues for me
Thanks for the advice as always, I love Adidas the brand as a basketball player, but as a runner it's hit or miss for me, so I stick to Saucony. By the way, I love the upgrade in videography Fordy!
Thank you mate I appreciate it
Is the Endorphin pro 4 and upgrade to the Speed for, I have the speed 4, would you recommend the pro 4 for my marathon or just sticking to my speed 4s?
Yes
Testing mine tomorrow came today 😀😀😀😀
Fordy thank you for all that you do for us really appreciate everything my dream shoe is the Asics Metaspeed Sky Paris so in love with this shoe hopefully one day I can get a pair but thank you 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Very good advises
Thank you
I just went for the metaspeed edge paris over the Adidas pro 4. Which I'll use for half marathon and under. I have the saucony pro 4 for the marathon. Worked great for me last year so no reason to change.
Hi, is there a reason u chosen Metaspeed edge paris over Adidas Adios Pro 4?
@RAKzC I tend to always get on with asics shoes (bar nimbus 26) I'm not a fan of cut outs on the sole which adidas pro 4 has and the softer foam didn't sound too appealing to me.
But I haven't ran in the pro 4 and only done one run so far in the edge paris. So not a definitive view.
I’m looking at the room you are in and I’m thinking you need to be wearing a white lab coat as you dissect these shoes. Great video Dr Fordy!
I’m medically qualified
My pro 4s have arrived today! Ready for 30minutes threshold later, let see how we go, 😊
Enjoy big man
@ there loopy! Never worn anything like them! Like 2 pogo sticks strapped to your ankles.
It's amazing that i still run in the Alphafly 1 and it's probably better than all of these. Almost hit a PB in Berlin in them. That's how far behind everyone else still is.
how many miles clock in the AP4? Looks like all the grip, if any…are gone
Do you think AP4 be too unstable for a slower runner mid foot striker doing a half marathon at about 2h15min?
Chris, thank you for the video! What about durability? Adios Pro 3 is a monster of durability, because its midsole isn't so soft and it doesn't smash. Saucony and Asics are durable as well. I think that Pro 4 has a limited lifespan, just like the Nikes with zoom x. What do you think? I am asking because not a lot of people out there can afford buying super shoes very often. Regards.
Im not sure the AP4 will hold up like AP3 as that was a tank but let’s see the foam is defo more delicate and remember the evo is meant to be used for one race remember 🤦♂️
@@FordyRuns The Doctors of Running have 100 miles in them and say they are very durable
It should be compared to also Nike because the fact is that most marathon runners still wear Nike unless they are sponsored. A softer midsole could make Adidas a more direct competitor. The problem in my opinion is that if you chose a different shoe than runners around you and the course is not flat, it can cause you disadvantages in some parts of the course that you cannot make up in other parts. To give an example: 3 years ago I chose NB RC Elite v2 for an half marathon because it had gravel parts and I had realized that Nike VF doesn't have grip on gravel. Next %, however, excelled in downhill parts on asphalt and I was struggling with those NBs. So it's very difficult to choose to wear anything else than Nike unless one really believes that it's a faster shoe.
so your saying nike is king?
I saw something that surprisingly showed that most people race in a brooks shoe.
Agree; if you look at the carbon shoes used at marathons/parkruns I still see way more Vaporfly/Alphafly than anything else, so would be interesting so see those included in the comparison.
I picked up a pair half size up for Boston. My Vaporfly next %‘s rear grips came off at 8k of the Valencia marathon and are not race fit anymore so hopefully these pro 4’s have a similar feel to the goats. I have the metaspeed edge Paris but after 10k in those the form goes due to the narrow heel and I have the endorphin elites but 10 miles is the limit in those due to how aggressive they are. If the pro4's don't work it'll be vaporfly 2’s. No more money being spent on race shoes.
Nike is for the looks, nothing more.
I thought you ran Berlin in Sketchers
That was in 2023 in 2024 was the Saucony