Sleeping monster garou is nerfed mainly because his technique is much worse which relates to garous AP. that’s why bang can keep up in the first place. Also garou uses awakening breath when he is unconscious vs DS and after waking up DS still comments on his amp of muscle coordination. The main thing I’m starting to doubt is golden S level. I use to believe he was above dragon and far above Darkshine, flash ect but perhaps golden S showings are inflated because he defeats Vomited ugly and DS after they are weakened. Either way I don’t believe bang has the AP too finish golden S, he would tear through his counters like DS did to garou.
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. And garou doesn't consider flashy stronger than bang. That is just you misreading the text.
I think a lot of the scaling makes more sense if garou gets a pretty significant power boost after bang wakes him up, which would also make bang vs golden s a much closer battle. He probably still wins from water stream being so op though.
there are many factors in Ap and combat speed actualy sleeping garou should be stronger cuz he was using multiple power amping martial arts awakening breath + heart release fist + sky aura fist so his ap when he's asleep should be even higher due to aura fist garou after awakening had full strength so breath ability is irrelevant and his skill sure allowed him to use his strength better so that might cover for heart release but there's still aura fist garou didn't use "fist" combos until that little battle royal so that means his ap should be lower cuz he wan't using that strong fist anymore As for speed awakened garou is much faster also cuz his relfexes should be far greater, awakening breath only unlocked garou's full sheer power and reflexes are somewhat related to mind more so contious garou would have higher also mean his perception should be higher which would mean he can operate at higher lvl's of speed and utilize his body better So it looks like awakened is faster and also uses best his body can do but does not use combo's anymore and op aura fist
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang.
Multi continental Platinum is wrong, because its main power that is amped by fusing is speed, not strength. It's not more powerful than Golden, its DIFFERENT. Scaling to King to rebuke this is pointless, because nobody, including Platinum knows anything about King. He just assumes that he can blitz him as Platinum, which proves a massive boost in his speed, but nothing else really.
Black S’s Cells have never been shown to work like that, Cells increase all his stats across the board If I fuse with a trillion clones of myself with the exact same stats as me, why would only my speed go up
I mean bang can still be multicontinental but it can just be in AP and not DC. So he can't destroy multiple continents but he can hurt ppl who has multicontinental durability.
Dude, Old Bang while holding back is able to hold himself for really long against Monster Garou, you really think his in his prime his str is still the same as old age? 💀💀@@cro0511
I think it is self evident that Garou got MUCH stronger after Bang woke him up. The precedent was already set during Garou's fight with Darkshine... not to mention Garou literally did a Dragon Ball Z power up scream after waking up and before 1 shotting Fuhrer Ugly.
Almost seemed as if after he woke, his fast learning came back, which makes sense because when he was unconscious his brain was technically not doing anything, after waking up hes able to put his battle iq to use
I think Satori is correct in that sleeping Garou was going to his maximum physical limit regardless of whether he’s awake or not but incorrect about how Garou didn’t get stronger after fighting Bang.
Another thing, if you one shot a multi-continental glass cannon, that doesn’t mean you automatically scale up to multi-continental levels too. Just like an A Class hero can kill Homeless Emperor if he wasn’t paying attention (or even Fubuki could while he was paying attention), but it doesn’t mean they scale equally. It’s a matchup problem.
I quite disagree on this. Obviously everything I'm going to put is just my opinion. bang is certainly relative in power to sleeping monster garou, but I don't think sleeping monster garou is as strong as awake one. First, bang also seems to be relative to post monster garou, which I think is evidently weaker than monster garou for having lost montrification. I say that they seem to be relative because Garou considers that he can already defeat Bang, so he does not consider him as one of the opponents to achieve Awekening again. Bang himself says it, does he think he can defeat him?, and that Garou should not be so presumptuous, since since Metal Knight passed him, his back feels much better. Garou thinks he can defeat bang and bang thinks he can't. so from my point of view, garou monster>garou post monster=bang=garou sleeping monster. Second, in the same chapter that Garou believes he can defeat Bang, he places Bomb and Flashy Flash as opponents that he has to defeat to achieve Awekening, being Bomb first, then Flash, Blas and finally Saitama. Saying that he has to defeat them in that order. So flashy flash>bomb>bang. post monster garou is equal to bang, it has to evolve to defeat bomb and then that same garou should evolve again to defeat flashy. Making the idea of sleeping monster garou or bang being close in power to awake monster garou unlikely. Finally, if we take into account the weeb comic (personally I think that the internal scale of the verse is maintained in both adaptations). The golden in the comic was superior to pre-monster garou, so much so that he was forced to evolve into monster garou. Garou pre monster appears at the same point and place as garou sleeping monster and both are the version of garou before garou monster. Both would be relative to a post monster garou, sleeping monster garou through the scale with bang and pre monster garou because it's the garou right before getting his monster shell and post monster garou is after losing that shell, so They would be basically the same garou. So in my opinion the scale would be like this, garou monster>platinum>flashy flash/golden>bomb/golden (I don't know if golden would be more, less or just as strong as bomb or flashy flash)>bang=garou sleeping monster=garou post monster
Ok but what about awakening breath and heart release fist? These two abilities are specificaly pushing body to the limit and beyond respectively so if garou is using them why would effect of there abilities don't affect garou?
@@JakubRycek-oe8me The technique that surpases the limits of the body is only during the moment it attacks. But it has little to do with it. According to me, there could be two explanations, or Garou after defeating Bang became much stronger, after all his limiter was breaking. Or take out 100% of Garou's power while asleep, Garou's awake power is greater. After all, it seems that the main problem is muscle cording, while what breathing does is make the muscles give their all (or more with the heartbeat technique), so the performance performed by the sleeping Garou is but Garou's awakened because the muscular coordination is inferior. Or any other excuse, but it is clear that sleeping garou is not at the level of flashy or platonum, much less awake garou.
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. Against darkshine he was ACTUALLY asleep and wasn't fighting using his full potential or even using any techniques. He was just instinctively thrashing around in his sleep (again his use of technique against bang is a good indicator that he wasn't actually sleeping and that he was fighting with his full potential unlike against darkshine. It was a completely different situation and they cannot be compared. Garou's mind was taken over by monsterization rather than him just being asleep like against darkshine. Not to mention he was creating new techniques midfight against bang. You can't do that while you're asleep and unconscious and it's just another indicator that he was fighting at his full potential). Also what garou thinks of bang doesn't matter cause he never fought abandonment bang. The one time he did fight abandonment bang as monster garou he wasn't in the right state of mind so he doesn't remember it. So garou is only comparing flashy flash to the non-serious versions of bang he remembers fighting (he never fought him using awakened breath except when he was monsterized as he simply didn't need to. He was much more powerful than him). Also garou's power scaling is not necessarily accurate. He couldn't measure saitama's strength and thought he was weak for a long time.
It would be an interesting matchup, but I think Silver Fang should win with extreme difficulty. Also, I'm watching the Naruto series now and I'm liking it.
Physical strength does not equate to striking power and speed, although it impacts it, sure, technique and body cordination plays a gar bigger role, even in the real world, ive experienced it firsthand from my own sensei 😭
Garou after the monster association says he should fight bang, bomb, flashy flashy, blast, and saitama in that order to get stronger without becoming a monster. Therefore he most definitely got stronger post waking up as he sees ff as stronger than bang.🎉
To be honest, garou wasn't conscious when fighting Bang By your logic bomb is stronger than bang but bomb got mid diffed by a WEAKER garou Also against flashy flash garou didn't use as many of his techniques unlike against bang where he pulled his ultimate attack
what garou thinks of bang doesn't matter cause he never fought abandonment bang. The one time he did fight abandonment bang as monster garou he wasn't in the right state of mind so he doesn't remember it. So garou is only comparing flashy flash to the non-serious versions of bang he remembers fighting. Also garou's power scaling is not necessarily accurate. He couldn't measure saitama's strength and thought he was weak for a long time.
Water Stream can't reflect too powerful attacks. Garou failed to deflect Darkshine punch which shattered his ribcage. You don't think Bang can deflect a Serious Punch from Saitama right
Minor detail, but Elder Centipede’s durability isn’t uncertain because attacks like Genos’ or Bang+Bomb’s combo attack DO damage him, but get countered by high-speed regen (shedding and growing). Elder centipede’s durability paired with his regen is what makes him a strong. You can’t just wear him down, you have to one shot him so thoroughly that he can’t outgrow the damage.
I always felt that when garou wakes up after defeating bang, he gets a massive amp It makes the scaling chain make more sense Like sleeping garou goes from like country level to Continental+ sort of amp Golden S is a one shot tier above darkshine Bang is said to have defeated dark shine quite easily so i would say golden s and silverfang are relative. Especially considering he is most likely faster than atomic samurai. Platinum S is significantly more powerful than golden s. It makes no sense that silver fang is any where near the same level of power as platinum s in any regard. Plus after the plat s fight, garou goes from continental+ to multi continental as he damages sage centipede Than gets to small planetary via resonance amp and perfecting his fist It would make sense as plat s and Garou treat flashy flash as fodder which wouldn't fit the narrative very well if plat s and silver fang are in anyway relative.
5:15 you could argue that bang actually has higher durability than platinum S because bang is also tanking the exploding heart release fist that you could argue that platinum S isn't tanking until I actually state that I am using it and combining it into the god slayer fist as I perfect the technique. 5:32 Its unlikely that bang is faster than me at this point, its more likely that bang has more battle experience and still has slightly more mastery over water stream rock smashing fist than me. as stated by bang when he kicked me in chapter 153 panel 11, bang refers to me as a "foolish novice." showing that likely speed or power is not what will decide the fight, but technique
Golden Sperm didn't even use his full power like in the webcomic And sayin' he Is only relative to Atomic Samurai Is wrong. Atomic Samurai had Homeless Emperor in his striking range, Golden Sperm wasn't even on sight (not even in the scene) and was able to block the sunblade before It could kill Homeless Emperor. Golden Is faster than Atomic Samurai without using his full power. Golden was more impressed on the damage the sunblade could do on him than anything else as before he lost his forearm his face was calm. Sayin' Bang Is relative to Awakened Monster Garou Is also wrong as Garou was growing in power at all times and It Is implied, he got stronger as he literally speedblitzed the cadres and went to have the Battle in the sky Of Z city in fractions of a second. The fight of Bang wasn't even as big or extensive as his Battle on the Sky of city with Platinum and Flashy. You are upscaling Bang way too high (to even be relative to platinum? Really?) He would likely win because he can use the power of the enemy against them with his fighting style. But not because he Is massively stronger.
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. Also vpu's acid most likely won't harm bang because of the speed of his strikes and his technique which makes his strikes only have brief contact with the opponent's body after it hits them. Acid takes time to start dissolving something. For example garou managed to divert a demon level monster's boiling water attack just by using his water stream technique and spinning his arm quickly. As a result his arm was unharmed because he spinned it fast enough that the heat did not have the time to transfer from the water to his arm. garou was also unaffected by vpu's acid because he kicked through him at such a high speed that the acid did not have any time to affect him in it's brief period of contact and it was also unable to cling to his body and cause harm because of how fast he was moving. Something similar will happen if bang fought vpu.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU No Garou said he was dreaming about his Time training with Bang, right after blitzing the cadres. (Which means he was indeed sleeping, we even get a mental picture of his dream in the next panel). So no he wasn't awake. And again the display of feats show us he was indeed stronger after waking up. It Is pretty much implied he was faster and was growing in power after every fight. So no, never would i put Bang to be relative to Platinum. That's just not what the feats represent.
@@CameraPunk5049 garou's mind was lost to monsterization (until bang freed him from it by breaking his shell). So he perceived his fight with bang as a dream (where he was fighting with him in his dream). He was clearly using techniques and even copying bangs Techniques unlike when he fought darkshine where he was just thrashing around in his sleep without using any technique (and was surprised and didn't know where he was when he woke up). So he was definitely aware of his surroundings and was fighting with his full power. And garou was growing but the difference between platinum S garou and bang garou is just one fight so it wasn't that big. And bang did much better against that slightly weaker Garou. how do you know the garou that was fighting bang couldn't perform the same feats? He was in a fist fight against bang with bang blocking and deflecting his attacks and become the nature of their fight was different he didn't perform any earth shattering or mind blowing movements. He simply didn't have the opportunity to do anything. And garou did get stronger by the time he fought platinum but not by much platinum's performance was much worse by comparison for garou having just such a small boost. If garou got 1.5 stronger by time he fought platinum than platinum's performance against him was still 10 times worse than bang. Meaning if platinum fought the garou bang fought he still would have lost almost as badly. And what doctor genus said is actually a point against your argument not mine. A monsterized mind stops growth but it doesn't make you weaker. You're basically saying garou didn't become much stronger or any stronger at all after fighting bang because his mind was monsterized so the version bang and platinum fought was pretty similar in strength. you're confusing combat speed with travel speed. Flashy flash and platinum and garou have better travel speed than bang but not combat speed. Consider this flashy flash is considered to be faster than automatic samurai but we never seen him cut as fast and disintegrate things with his cutting like automatic samurai. Meaning he has lower combat speed than him. Garou, flashy and platinum all fought like that because all of them had high travel speed and a lot of platforms in the sky to move around on. Again the nature of his fight was different with bang since it was a martial arts fight rather thana speed fight (garou also didn't move like that against centipede or even saitama in their first fight meaning he believed that dashing around all over the place wouldn't give him any advantage. Which is why he also didn't fight like that against bang). Flashy flash for example never landed hit on garou even once because he didn't have as much combat speed as him or bang. And platinum would be at the same disadvantage against bang as garou because he is a humanoid monster using fists to fight just like garou. That's the type bang does best against because he can use his martial arts. Unlike bang vs elder centipede for example. And again the situation between garou vs bang and garou vs darkshine was completely different. In one he was actually sleeping and pretty much thrashing in his sleep in the same way a normal human might sleep walk. In the other one he had lost his mind to monsterization until he regained his senses up from bangs attack. In one he was using martial arts and even copying techniques and in the other one he was not using any at all (when he was sleeping that is). Also it narratively makes no sense for the plot point of garou sleeping while a fight to repeat twice. It's obvious Murada was going for a different concept when garou fought bang (aka garou losing his mind to monsterization). So the two situations cannot be compared. Lastly not all of garou's techniques were imperfect until he fought centipede. Only his God slayer fist was. His water stream + iron cutting combination was already complete when he used it against bang. Which is why he kept using it in all of his fight after bang. yes garou himself has better combat speed than flashy and platinum and also has better technique than them which is the reason he won that three way fight. And after garou fought bang he pretty much immediately went to fight against against platinum and flashy so there wasn't any time or any fight in-between those two fights for garou to have the opportunity to grow that much stronger or faster (he only got a little stronger during that three was fight though but not much as he was already keeping up with them at the beginning). And bang matched the combat speed of that same garou during their fight. So in other words yes bang can also react to and deal with both flashy and platinum attacks as well. He would be stationary just like atomic samurai as he doesn't have amazing travel speed but he would outbox and deflect their attacks while dishing out his own. And he would be strong enough to damage them as well considering he managed to cracked garou's shell which both flashy and platinum failed to do. firstly darkshine was talking water stream specifically (he was comparing it to bang's which was indeed superior. Bang was matching and defending against garou's water stream + iron cutting fist combination that was also empowered with his awakening breath and exploding heart release fist while using nothing but his own water stream). even after mastering god slayer fist garou's water stream wasn't as good as bang's. What garou is good at is combining techniques and learning them quickly. Secondly garou claimed his GOD SLAYER FIST (which just means he successfully combined all techniques and created a new style. Not that he reached the pinnacle in all of them) was complete after fighting centipede. Thirdly you yourself just claimed garou didn't get stronger after fighting bang because his mind was monsterized during it which stopped his growth (even if he did get stronger one fight doesn't make much of an difference and platinum did much worse against a slightly stronger garou than bang did against a slightly weaker one). And people like flashy are only a speedster when it comes to travel speed. They're not like characters like flash who have both high travel speed and combat speed. If flashy who can move as fast as light had good combat speed he would have been able to cut things to ashes just like atomic samurai can. But we have never seen him do something remotely close to that even once. We've just seen him run fast. Garou's water stream + iron cutting fist was already complete when he fought bang. Individually his water stream is inferior to bang and his iron cutting fist is probably inferior to bomb but he finally managed to combined them during that fight which is called sky ripping fist (he could already use them individually before that). The same is true about the Godslayer fist. Rather than individually improving all his techniques he is just successfully combining them. And the water stream + iron cutting fist was already complete by the time he fought bang. And his God slayer which is a combination of all of his techniques was completed after chopping centipede. Lastly saitama was toying with garou but garou was serious. Why didn't he try to dash around him like he did with platinum and flashy? Why didn't he dash around against centipede? There simply was no point as it wouldn't have gave him an advantage so he didn't do it. Your understanding of everything is completely surface level.
@@JudgeHoldenUwU Yeah Garou was losing His mind, Even Dr Genus says a monster that has lots Its mind Is due to monsterization can never become too powerful when he was expliaining the limiter to Zombieman, as the monster becomes too stupid to continue the powergrowth. Garou performed better after waking up. By feats he got way faster And by narrative and Garou's own comments His techniques got better than when he was fighting Bang. Again Flashy and Platinum fougth an stronger opponent. Bang could only perform against a weaker form due to bad match up and even then he was a bloody mess by the end of the fight (compare It to Flashy and he was ok even after the beatdown from Both Garou and Platinum). Bang just doesn't scale that high. Bang had the edge over Garou because unlike Garou's, the techniques of Bang were perfect and he knew every technique Garou used against him. But when Garou woke up by narrative His techniques got better (as garou himself said he was getting closer to perfecting his ultimate technique the God Slayer fist that combines every other technique) and Garou got More powerful feats (like the speedsters fight or speedblitzing The cadres and killing Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly with just a kick) thus he got More powerful. Your Bang wank Is insane.
I think they are really close I think golden S has physical strength and durability but bang can counter that so it would be really close I think it can go either way
hard disagree on saying the exploding heart release would give him another power boost the awakened breath already draws the body of the user to the limit the exploding heart release fist would only give him more attack potency, but not more physical power as thats what the awakened breath is for (minus the attack potency of the exploding heart release fist).
as you said, awakening breath is push the user to the limit, exploding heart is different, as it push the user beyond the limit, so yes it does give him another power boost
@@aquariusm.910 then maybe you should learn how to read, in ch 153, it is specifically said word for word that it allows the user to surpass their body's limits
@@dimensionvisitor7689 that's missing the context: if we go by what it says literally "The explodig Heart Release fist.... As the name implies, it causes one´s heart to pulse explosively in time with the impact of your punches. In those moments, it allows one to surpass their body's limits. A wicked style that brings total devastation." It only implies it surpases your body limits at the time of attacking or punching, never that it gives you another powerboost. It would mean that your punches generate incredible attack potency, surpasig the strength of your punches in a devastating attack, but not your overall body. Garou didnt increse his power upon using it, he just gained suficient attack potency to bypass the defense of silver fang for a moment. so no, it would obviously make Bang's punches stronger, but it wouldnt give him a physical power boost
It depends on how You scale, but they're definitely way more than tree level. They can take down tiger level threats and some of them can one shot Black S bodies, deal damage to human Garou and take some hits from human Garou. Garou even early on is far above tree level.
I personally prefer scaling based on narrative due to the fact that I heavily doubt One and Murata are doing all of these calculations for the characters feats, and based on narrative, golden S = Overgrown Rover. I’m honestly not sure who I think would win, all I can say is that it would be a close fight. I also have a quick question, do you measure characters strength based on how much damage 1 attack can deal, or do you measure based on how much damage 3-5 attacks can deal?
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang.
You are simply underestimating GS and PS, just like the BS thought King was underestimating them just like everyone else. The Bs wasn’t saying GS was literally an ant to king as he said “that bastard is really looking down on us”, so he clearly disagrees, he just needed PS for his specialty in speed to avoid contact with Kings ultimate hellfire attack and getting one shot to deal the first decisive blow at his distance PS specialized in speed, and GS specialized in power, as PS couldn’t one shot FF who almost died from demon Gale’s steel wires, while DS said he is completely immune to steel, so DS is clearly more durable then FF. But GS casually one shot DS, and being mentally shocked doesn’t cause you to get knocked out, as DS was completely fine after Spiral Garou used dragon slayer on him, DS only gave up, not got less durable. That’s why PS said to FF “just like Darkshine, when outclassed by someone in your specialty, you abandon your duties…”, implying FF and DS and GS and PS have specialties, which is pretty obvious. FF specializes in speed and technique, DS specializes in power and durability, GS specializes in power and gains corrosion resistance, and PS specializes in speed and gains a prehensile whip. We also know both Garou and BS like to hold back against most of the heroes, as Garou doesn’t want to kill any of them and BS/GS/PS wanted to see his opponents suffer slowly, like how they were bullying Genos, DS, FU, and FF. PS and Gs were clearly holding back by a gargantuan amount. So just because Garou one shot FU, doesn’t mean he was using that same attack power against FF. FF was just an annoying fly to him The reason you underestimate PS and why he does scale not that far away from Sage is because PS got literally thousands of times faster than when he was fighting Flashy Flash. The first light structure with three people was formed a bit over 10 seconds as it occurred during a conversation that included King, Genos, Saitama, while the second structure occurred in a bit over a thousandth of a second. That is around 10,000 times faster than flashy flash. This makes sense because Garou had to start growing exponentially to start entering the Boros levels of power scaling. Also Sage is definitely around multi continent level, not small planet level. Calcs are almost always incredibly terrible as you have shown with one. Also, PS was definitely referring to Atomic without the sun blade when he said Flashy Flash is the pinnacle that a human can reach, because the Sun blade was clearly not human strength. He has the title of worlds greatest swordsman for a reason, he just lacks durability and combat flexibility so FF is generally a better fighter, but that Sunblade definitely puts him higher with the monsterfiction like buff which you said yourself is a gargantuan power creep. One huge thing you forgot to take into account is Bangs stamina, and as an old man that stated he gets tired by just running a few KM, he would get tired way faster then GS who has the stamina of trillions of A class heroes.
The way I interpret Golden S and Plat S, specially with Golden S having initially higher cell count. Is that the reason why Plat S is stronger than Golden S isn't due to their stats being far apart, rather, the allocation of it. Golden S specializes in Durability and Strength. While Plat S specializes in Mobility and Speed. Between the two, which would be more confident to fight off King? Of course the faster one rather the stronger one, if already, they think King and his likes would just Ragdoll them. At least, that's how I interpret it. Another interpretation of mine is Golden S is like Super Saiyan 1.5, recall Vegita and Trunks vs Cell, their Super Saiyan is bulkeir, hits harder, stronger etc. But they are lesser than Super Saiyan 2 due to 2 being faster and even though not as bulkier or stronger (in a sense), SSJ2 just simply has better overall stats that is above that bulkier version
no problem been here since before the boos turned good series, you've gotten a hell of a lot better with your videos! Keep up the amazing work man@@SatorisYT
I would love for you to do a video on why TATSUMAKi versus platinum S isn’t even close good job on the video between golden s and silver fang have a good one
It was stated in the webcomic (specifically in the chapter where the cadres was going against King) Psykos said that Tatsumaki had a powerful psychic barrier even when she was unconscious. They were planning to fight King first and then wait for her "psychic stamina" to run out Even though it's webcomic, it's safe to assume she always has the barrier on, even while sleeping. She must've had done it so many times before it became a subconcious action for her
@@huhbooh I just switched computers, so I don't have the calcs saved, and I don't have enough time at the moment to connect the old computer and search. I'll get back to You tomorrow, if that's alright?
@@huhbooh Here are the Sage calcs: topstrongest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StrymULTRA/One_Punch_Man:_All_the_AP_best_feats_(so_far) character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Zamasu_Chan/Sage_Centipede_large_size I couldn't find the Platinum S one on the internet anymore, but what it boiled down to was scaling an average A class hero to a certain level, and then using Homeless Emperor's statement about one Black S cell being stronger than an A class hero and multiplied that value by 54 trillion, since that's how many Black S cells make up Platinum S.
Theres this argument I saw about how Plat is faster than Gold but weaker because his muscles are much smaller and he traded AP for speed since full body GS and PS have similar cell counts
I would say that Sage being small planet wouldn’t exactly have to make a ton of characters Multi Continental in AP since a lot of them downscale from Platinum Sperm rather than upscaling which would put them around Small Country to Continent level in AP. Still way higher than the island level AP lowball but not too outlandish and somewhat matching with city sizes in One Punch Man and threat levels. Another thing: Just because the Bang against Elder Centipede couldn’t beat Elder Centipede, doesn’t have to mean that Elder Centipede is stronger or even as strong as Bang in the MA arc. It doesn’t upscale Elder Centipede as it more or less just upscales Fubuki cured awakening breath Bang.
how strong do you think empty void will be like from everything we currently know like his fight with blast and him being able to solo all the ninjas encluding flash and sonic in the webcomic i would say about released boros level
More muscles doesn't necessarily mean Golden S is stronger, it wouldn't make sense for Platinum S to be physically weaker when he's basically Golden S but powered up
No joke, I don't even know what they sell. Like, I know it's a burger place and stuff, but it's been so long since I've been there that I don't know any specific names of what order options they have lol.
Also I'd probably scale most of the S Class to comparable to multi-continental, because in Dragon Ball everyone is planetary. nah screw it you can scale people like Krillin and Yamcha to above Cell, who can range from Solar sytem level to perhaps multi-solarsystem level based on calcs and Billions of times FTL. If that reality exists, then a world where a old man and guys are multi-continenal isnt that weird for me. Dragonball logic idk
Bro the main character did pushups and situps (supposedly) and became strong enough to one shot the planet. You can’t really go looking for logical explanations for everything here.
Hell No. This is a great example why the scaling of professor fiction is terrible. There is no way Bang is stronger and more durable than Golden even using the awakened breath or the exploding heart fist.
He can dent him, Golden S has not much options other than running, He will get hit by a barrage of bangs water stream ability, bang basically counters his attacks while both acknoledge each other's revealed strength, it probably remind bang of his spar with Darkshine if Golden S fought like Darkshine, because of his size bang would weave around after Golden S dodge him as a possible action.
I am satisfied with silverfang winning cuz to me that feels obvious. I think that the multicontinental scaling bs is to me a reason why people should not take one punch as seriously. Its like how people somehow calced jotaro to be continental because of a singular punch he did which in real life would be continental, but obviously its not. I believe that calculation can be interesting for powerscaling but I also believe its inconsistent, because obviously murata or one ar not going to calculate the attacks theyre drawing.
Bang wrecks Golden Sperm. Bang was Garou a run for his money. I don't believe Garou got stronger after waking up like most people. He amped himself twice but didn't do so against Platinum. Even against Darkshine he just got better coordination he didn't get stronger until he got a zenkai boost. Psykos scales to multi continental or small planet after her God boost as she's on par with Orochi. Psyrochi should scale far higher.
I knew Bang would win, but I do wonder (what I am about to say is a character from a different fandom, so it’s just random), if Bang can beat Golden S and fight against Platinum S, who would win? Bang/Silver Fang or Homelander? Again, it’s just random, don’t it so seriously.
Any S class would defeat Home Lander I think. Maybe his laser beams can be a problem for devil tiles, like tank top or puri puri, but these two should be fast and be able to defeat him in one hit or a few @@shadowreezy3137
@@johnapeno7743 He did, but when he monsterized, he lost consciousness again and came to the surface as a beast acting on instinct. Bang had to wake him up at the end of their fight
@@cro0511 his not golden s one shots darkshine but platinum s didnt even one shots flashy flash does that mean flashy has better durability than darkshine?
@@xenter7106 Yeah. Well now seriously, dark shine was in low morale at that time. but if we do not accept that, the manga appears to imply that he is . flashy is the s class that withstands radiation the most (more than bang). And they put him in a scene, already recovered from his battle against platinum while this dark shine lying on the ground next to him. Although I think we can assume that Flashy has techniques to be able to withstand blows better. Not that it is necessarily more resistant. And of course, there is always the possibility that it is more resistant, it is already faster and stronger Platinum is simply much stronger in all aspects than golden. Golden is much more cautious against king while platinum is much more confident. Atomic is impressed by his aura, and says before Platinum emerges that Golden can become stronger through fusion. Platinum is referred to as his true self or his perfect form.
Bang was fighting really well with sleeping monster garou without even using his strongest technique. I think that bang would definitely need that technique to kill someone as durable as golden sperm, I highly doubt he could do enough damage without it
Bang was consistently keeping up with garou and is the only person other than saitama latter on in garous monster form that he made him bleed and blatantly has better reaction speed and thats when he is not even blood lusted and after defeating bang he 1 shot vomited ugly who got stronger when he got beat up by golden s and he took attaks from golden s and homeless emperor and was fine afterwards but garou could 1 shot him and the same attacks that can 1 shot him bang could deflect that basically means bang has better defense and offense than golden s and i dont wanna hear the stupid argument that golen s stronger than platinum because it makes 0 sense and combat speed it probably goes to bang due to him having better combat speed than garou who is probably just as strong as the garou who fought platinum s and flashy if not stronger because he is using the breathing technique and the exploding heart release fist that push his body to its limits and beyond its limits and there is no evidence that he used thst in the 3 way fight and garou was making a fool of platinum s who is stronger than golden s and made a crack on his face with the first attack and made the crack on his face even bigger with the second Punch and atomic was pressing golden while he completely gave up on platinum after he transformed its literally goes to bang 9 times out of 10 and if bloodlusted could unironically 1 shot him so bang wins easily hopefully Edit: bruuhh all the shit i siad were all in the video this is just a copy paste from the community post that i still wrote
Sleeping monster garou is nerfed mainly because his technique is much worse which relates to garous AP. that’s why bang can keep up in the first place. Also garou uses awakening breath when he is unconscious vs DS and after waking up DS still comments on his amp of muscle coordination.
The main thing I’m starting to doubt is golden S level. I use to believe he was above dragon and far above Darkshine, flash ect but perhaps golden S showings are inflated because he defeats Vomited ugly and DS after they are weakened.
Either way I don’t believe bang has the AP too finish golden S, he would tear through his counters like DS did to garou.
tbh
garou using awakening breath and heart release combo is litteraly making his at least as strong as awakened in ap
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. And garou doesn't consider flashy stronger than bang. That is just you misreading the text.
I think a lot of the scaling makes more sense if garou gets a pretty significant power boost after bang wakes him up, which would also make bang vs golden s a much closer battle. He probably still wins from water stream being so op though.
there are many factors
in Ap and combat speed actualy sleeping garou should be stronger cuz he was using multiple power amping martial arts
awakening breath + heart release fist + sky aura fist
so his ap when he's asleep should be even higher due to aura fist
garou after awakening had full strength so breath ability is irrelevant and his skill sure allowed him to use his strength better so that might cover for heart release but there's still aura fist
garou didn't use "fist" combos until that little battle royal so that means his ap should be lower cuz he wan't using that strong fist anymore
As for speed awakened garou is much faster also cuz his relfexes should be far greater, awakening breath only unlocked garou's full sheer power and reflexes are somewhat related to mind more so contious garou would have higher also mean his perception should be higher which would mean he can operate at higher lvl's of speed and utilize his body better
So it looks like awakened is faster and also uses best his body can do but does not use combo's anymore and op aura fist
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang.
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best title ever "Golden vs Silver", what a nice taste to say
I'm not making a joke on the names- I'm not.
Multi continental Platinum is wrong, because its main power that is amped by fusing is speed, not strength. It's not more powerful than Golden, its DIFFERENT. Scaling to King to rebuke this is pointless, because nobody, including Platinum knows anything about King. He just assumes that he can blitz him as Platinum, which proves a massive boost in his speed, but nothing else really.
Black S’s Cells have never been shown to work like that, Cells increase all his stats across the board
If I fuse with a trillion clones of myself with the exact same stats as me, why would only my speed go up
I think if Bang had adamantium armor he would low dif golden
I mean bang can still be multicontinental but it can just be in AP and not DC. So he can't destroy multiple continents but he can hurt ppl who has multicontinental durability.
Bang isn't even close to Country level lmao
Prime Bang would wipe Platinum S or Monster Garou. Dude str drop so much cuz of his age but still throwing hands with Monster Garou is crazy.
Prime bang is not stronger than platinum or garou XD
Dude, Old Bang while holding back is able to hold himself for really long against Monster Garou, you really think his in his prime his str is still the same as old age? 💀💀@@cro0511
I think it is self evident that Garou got MUCH stronger after Bang woke him up. The precedent was already set during Garou's fight with Darkshine... not to mention Garou literally did a Dragon Ball Z power up scream after waking up and before 1 shotting Fuhrer Ugly.
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Almost seemed as if after he woke, his fast learning came back, which makes sense because when he was unconscious his brain was technically not doing anything, after waking up hes able to put his battle iq to use
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He did get much stronger. This satori kid has been claiming otherwise for a while now
I think Satori is correct in that sleeping Garou was going to his maximum physical limit regardless of whether he’s awake or not but incorrect about how Garou didn’t get stronger after fighting Bang.
Bang extreme diff, in my heart GS high diff. PS out of Bangs league. (Dont have time for video but i think i got the takes from comments)
Another thing, if you one shot a multi-continental glass cannon, that doesn’t mean you automatically scale up to multi-continental levels too. Just like an A Class hero can kill Homeless Emperor if he wasn’t paying attention (or even Fubuki could while he was paying attention), but it doesn’t mean they scale equally. It’s a matchup problem.
I believe that is black sperm got a form stronger than platinum form when he fused beyond that to 100% I could see a diamond form after god level
I quite disagree on this.
Obviously everything I'm going to put is just my opinion.
bang is certainly relative in power to sleeping monster garou, but I don't think sleeping monster garou is as strong as awake one. First, bang also seems to be relative to post monster garou, which I think is evidently weaker than monster garou for having lost montrification. I say that they seem to be relative because Garou considers that he can already defeat Bang, so he does not consider him as one of the opponents to achieve Awekening again. Bang himself says it, does he think he can defeat him?, and that Garou should not be so presumptuous, since since Metal Knight passed him, his back feels much better. Garou thinks he can defeat bang and bang thinks he can't. so from my point of view, garou monster>garou post monster=bang=garou sleeping monster.
Second, in the same chapter that Garou believes he can defeat Bang, he places Bomb and Flashy Flash as opponents that he has to defeat to achieve Awekening, being Bomb first, then Flash, Blas and finally Saitama. Saying that he has to defeat them in that order. So flashy flash>bomb>bang. post monster garou is equal to bang, it has to evolve to defeat bomb and then that same garou should evolve again to defeat flashy. Making the idea of sleeping monster garou or bang being close in power to awake monster garou unlikely.
Finally, if we take into account the weeb comic (personally I think that the internal scale of the verse is maintained in both adaptations). The golden in the comic was superior to pre-monster garou, so much so that he was forced to evolve into monster garou. Garou pre monster appears at the same point and place as garou sleeping monster and both are the version of garou before garou monster. Both would be relative to a post monster garou, sleeping monster garou through the scale with bang and pre monster garou because it's the garou right before getting his monster shell and post monster garou is after losing that shell, so They would be basically the same garou.
So in my opinion the scale would be like this, garou monster>platinum>flashy flash/golden>bomb/golden (I don't know if golden would be more, less or just as strong as bomb or flashy flash)>bang=garou sleeping monster=garou post monster
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Ok but what about awakening breath and heart release fist?
These two abilities are specificaly pushing body to the limit and beyond respectively so if garou is using them why would effect of there abilities don't affect garou?
@@JakubRycek-oe8me The technique that surpases the limits of the body is only during the moment it attacks. But it has little to do with it.
According to me, there could be two explanations, or Garou after defeating Bang became much stronger, after all his limiter was breaking.
Or take out 100% of Garou's power while asleep, Garou's awake power is greater. After all, it seems that the main problem is muscle cording, while what breathing does is make the muscles give their all (or more with the heartbeat technique), so the performance performed by the sleeping Garou is but Garou's awakened because the muscular coordination is inferior.
Or any other excuse, but it is clear that sleeping garou is not at the level of flashy or platonum, much less awake garou.
I didn't read allat but
Garou going "Nah I'd win" When compared to Bang doesn't make him capable whatsoever
Look at gojo for example
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. Against darkshine he was ACTUALLY asleep and wasn't fighting using his full potential or even using any techniques. He was just instinctively thrashing around in his sleep (again his use of technique against bang is a good indicator that he wasn't actually sleeping and that he was fighting with his full potential unlike against darkshine. It was a completely different situation and they cannot be compared. Garou's mind was taken over by monsterization rather than him just being asleep like against darkshine. Not to mention he was creating new techniques midfight against bang. You can't do that while you're asleep and unconscious and it's just another indicator that he was fighting at his full potential). Also what garou thinks of bang doesn't matter cause he never fought abandonment bang. The one time he did fight abandonment bang as monster garou he wasn't in the right state of mind so he doesn't remember it. So garou is only comparing flashy flash to the non-serious versions of bang he remembers fighting (he never fought him using awakened breath except when he was monsterized as he simply didn't need to. He was much more powerful than him). Also garou's power scaling is not necessarily accurate. He couldn't measure saitama's strength and thought he was weak for a long time.
It would be an interesting matchup, but I think Silver Fang should win with extreme difficulty. Also, I'm watching the Naruto series now and I'm liking it.
Physical strength does not equate to striking power and speed, although it impacts it, sure, technique and body cordination plays a gar bigger role, even in the real world, ive experienced it firsthand from my own sensei 😭
Garou after the monster association says he should fight bang, bomb, flashy flashy, blast, and saitama in that order to get stronger without becoming a monster. Therefore he most definitely got stronger post waking up as he sees ff as stronger than bang.🎉
To be honest, garou wasn't conscious when fighting Bang
By your logic bomb is stronger than bang but bomb got mid diffed by a WEAKER garou
Also against flashy flash garou didn't use as many of his techniques unlike against bang where he pulled his ultimate attack
what garou thinks of bang doesn't matter cause he never fought abandonment bang. The one time he did fight abandonment bang as monster garou he wasn't in the right state of mind so he doesn't remember it. So garou is only comparing flashy flash to the non-serious versions of bang he remembers fighting. Also garou's power scaling is not necessarily accurate. He couldn't measure saitama's strength and thought he was weak for a long time.
Bang can defeat opponents whit multicontinental attack scale but he himself doesnt have such attacks because he is using bare fists
Yeah, Power isn't The Only Factor Here.
He can redirect those kinds of attacks with twice the force ala WRSF
It’s called AP
Water Stream can't reflect too powerful attacks. Garou failed to deflect Darkshine punch which shattered his ribcage. You don't think Bang can deflect a Serious Punch from Saitama right
@@phanthuaan480Garous smashing water fist was way way weaker then bangs at that point
Also bang literally beat dark shine in sparring
Minor detail, but Elder Centipede’s durability isn’t uncertain because attacks like Genos’ or Bang+Bomb’s combo attack DO damage him, but get countered by high-speed regen (shedding and growing). Elder centipede’s durability paired with his regen is what makes him a strong. You can’t just wear him down, you have to one shot him so thoroughly that he can’t outgrow the damage.
I always felt that when garou wakes up after defeating bang, he gets a massive amp
It makes the scaling chain make more sense
Like sleeping garou goes from like country level to Continental+ sort of amp
Golden S is a one shot tier above darkshine
Bang is said to have defeated dark shine quite easily so i would say golden s and silverfang are relative. Especially considering he is most likely faster than atomic samurai.
Platinum S is significantly more powerful than golden s.
It makes no sense that silver fang is any where near the same level of power as platinum s in any regard. Plus after the plat s fight, garou goes from continental+ to multi continental as he damages sage centipede
Than gets to small planetary via resonance amp and perfecting his fist
It would make sense as plat s and Garou treat flashy flash as fodder which wouldn't fit the narrative very well if plat s and silver fang are in anyway relative.
5:15 you could argue that bang actually has higher durability than platinum S because bang is also tanking the exploding heart release fist that you could argue that platinum S isn't tanking until I actually state that I am using it and combining it into the god slayer fist as I perfect the technique.
5:32 Its unlikely that bang is faster than me at this point, its more likely that bang has more battle experience and still has slightly more mastery over water stream rock smashing fist than me. as stated by bang when he kicked me in chapter 153 panel 11, bang refers to me as a "foolish novice." showing that likely speed or power is not what will decide the fight, but technique
Golden Sperm didn't even use his full power like in the webcomic
And sayin' he Is only relative to Atomic Samurai Is wrong.
Atomic Samurai had Homeless Emperor in his striking range, Golden Sperm wasn't even on sight (not even in the scene) and was able to block the sunblade before It could kill Homeless Emperor.
Golden Is faster than Atomic Samurai without using his full power. Golden was more impressed on the damage the sunblade could do on him than anything else as before he lost his forearm his face was calm.
Sayin' Bang Is relative to Awakened Monster Garou Is also wrong as Garou was growing in power at all times and It Is implied, he got stronger as he literally speedblitzed the cadres and went to have the Battle in the sky Of Z city in fractions of a second.
The fight of Bang wasn't even as big or extensive as his Battle on the Sky of city with Platinum and Flashy.
You are upscaling Bang way too high (to even be relative to platinum? Really?) He would likely win because he can use the power of the enemy against them with his fighting style.
But not because he Is massively stronger.
Makes sense to me
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang. Also vpu's acid most likely won't harm bang because of the speed of his strikes and his technique which makes his strikes only have brief contact with the opponent's body after it hits them. Acid takes time to start dissolving something. For example garou managed to divert a demon level monster's boiling water attack just by using his water stream technique and spinning his arm quickly. As a result his arm was unharmed because he spinned it fast enough that the heat did not have the time to transfer from the water to his arm. garou was also unaffected by vpu's acid because he kicked through him at such a high speed that the acid did not have any time to affect him in it's brief period of contact and it was also unable to cling to his body and cause harm because of how fast he was moving. Something similar will happen if bang fought vpu.
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No
Garou said he was dreaming about his Time training with Bang, right after blitzing the cadres. (Which means he was indeed sleeping, we even get a mental picture of his dream in the next panel).
So no he wasn't awake.
And again the display of feats show us he was indeed stronger after waking up.
It Is pretty much implied he was faster and was growing in power after every fight.
So no, never would i put Bang to be relative to Platinum. That's just not what the feats represent.
@@CameraPunk5049 garou's mind was lost to monsterization (until bang freed him from it by breaking his shell). So he perceived his fight with bang as a dream (where he was fighting with him in his dream). He was clearly using techniques and even copying bangs Techniques unlike when he fought darkshine where he was just thrashing around in his sleep without using any technique (and was surprised and didn't know where he was when he woke up). So he was definitely aware of his surroundings and was fighting with his full power. And garou was growing but the difference between platinum S garou and bang garou is just one fight so it wasn't that big. And bang did much better against that slightly weaker Garou. how do you know the garou that was fighting bang couldn't perform the same feats? He was in a fist fight against bang with bang blocking and deflecting his attacks and become the nature of their fight was different he didn't perform any earth shattering or mind blowing movements. He simply didn't have the opportunity to do anything. And garou did get stronger by the time he fought platinum but not by much platinum's performance was much worse by comparison for garou having just such a small boost. If garou got 1.5 stronger by time he fought platinum than platinum's performance against him was still 10 times worse than bang. Meaning if platinum fought the garou bang fought he still would have lost almost as badly. And what doctor genus said is actually a point against your argument not mine. A monsterized mind stops growth but it doesn't make you weaker. You're basically saying garou didn't become much stronger or any stronger at all after fighting bang because his mind was monsterized so the version bang and platinum fought was pretty similar in strength. you're confusing combat speed with travel speed. Flashy flash and platinum and garou have better travel speed than bang but not combat speed. Consider this flashy flash is considered to be faster than automatic samurai but we never seen him cut as fast and disintegrate things with his cutting like automatic samurai. Meaning he has lower combat speed than him. Garou, flashy and platinum all fought like that because all of them had high travel speed and a lot of platforms in the sky to move around on. Again the nature of his fight was different with bang since it was a martial arts fight rather thana speed fight (garou also didn't move like that against centipede or even saitama in their first fight meaning he believed that dashing around all over the place wouldn't give him any advantage. Which is why he also didn't fight like that against bang). Flashy flash for example never landed hit on garou even once because he didn't have as much combat speed as him or bang. And platinum would be at the same disadvantage against bang as garou because he is a humanoid monster using fists to fight just like garou. That's the type bang does best against because he can use his martial arts. Unlike bang vs elder centipede for example. And again the situation between garou vs bang and garou vs darkshine was completely different. In one he was actually sleeping and pretty much thrashing in his sleep in the same way a normal human might sleep walk. In the other one he had lost his mind to monsterization until he regained his senses up from bangs attack. In one he was using martial arts and even copying techniques and in the other one he was not using any at all (when he was sleeping that is). Also it narratively makes no sense for the plot point of garou sleeping while a fight to repeat twice. It's obvious Murada was going for a different concept when garou fought bang (aka garou losing his mind to monsterization). So the two situations cannot be compared. Lastly not all of garou's techniques were imperfect until he fought centipede. Only his God slayer fist was. His water stream + iron cutting combination was already complete when he used it against bang. Which is why he kept using it in all of his fight after bang. yes garou himself has better combat speed than flashy and platinum and also has better technique than them which is the reason he won that three way fight. And after garou fought bang he pretty much immediately went to fight against against platinum and flashy so there wasn't any time or any fight in-between those two fights for garou to have the opportunity to grow that much stronger or faster (he only got a little stronger during that three was fight though but not much as he was already keeping up with them at the beginning). And bang matched the combat speed of that same garou during their fight. So in other words yes bang can also react to and deal with both flashy and platinum attacks as well. He would be stationary just like atomic samurai as he doesn't have amazing travel speed but he would outbox and deflect their attacks while dishing out his own. And he would be strong enough to damage them as well considering he managed to cracked garou's shell which both flashy and platinum failed to do. firstly darkshine was talking water stream specifically (he was comparing it to bang's which was indeed superior. Bang was matching and defending against garou's water stream + iron cutting fist combination that was also empowered with his awakening breath and exploding heart release fist while using nothing but his own water stream). even after mastering god slayer fist garou's water stream wasn't as good as bang's. What garou is good at is combining techniques and learning them quickly. Secondly garou claimed his GOD SLAYER FIST (which just means he successfully combined all techniques and created a new style. Not that he reached the pinnacle in all of them) was complete after fighting centipede. Thirdly you yourself just claimed garou didn't get stronger after fighting bang because his mind was monsterized during it which stopped his growth (even if he did get stronger one fight doesn't make much of an difference and platinum did much worse against a slightly stronger garou than bang did against a slightly weaker one). And people like flashy are only a speedster when it comes to travel speed. They're not like characters like flash who have both high travel speed and combat speed. If flashy who can move as fast as light had good combat speed he would have been able to cut things to ashes just like atomic samurai can. But we have never seen him do something remotely close to that even once. We've just seen him run fast. Garou's water stream + iron cutting fist was already complete when he fought bang. Individually his water stream is inferior to bang and his iron cutting fist is probably inferior to bomb but he finally managed to combined them during that fight which is called sky ripping fist (he could already use them individually before that). The same is true about the Godslayer fist. Rather than individually improving all his techniques he is just successfully combining them. And the water stream + iron cutting fist was already complete by the time he fought bang. And his God slayer which is a combination of all of his techniques was completed after chopping centipede. Lastly saitama was toying with garou but garou was serious. Why didn't he try to dash around him like he did with platinum and flashy? Why didn't he dash around against centipede? There simply was no point as it wouldn't have gave him an advantage so he didn't do it. Your understanding of everything is completely surface level.
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Yeah Garou was losing His mind,
Even Dr Genus says a monster that has lots Its mind Is due to monsterization can never become too powerful when he was expliaining the limiter to Zombieman, as the monster becomes too stupid to continue the powergrowth.
Garou performed better after waking up.
By feats he got way faster
And by narrative and Garou's own comments His techniques got better than when he was fighting Bang.
Again Flashy and Platinum fougth an stronger opponent.
Bang could only perform against a weaker form due to bad match up and even then he was a bloody mess by the end of the fight (compare It to Flashy and he was ok even after the beatdown from Both Garou and Platinum).
Bang just doesn't scale that high.
Bang had the edge over Garou because unlike Garou's, the techniques of Bang were perfect and he knew every technique Garou used against him.
But when Garou woke up by narrative His techniques got better (as garou himself said he was getting closer to perfecting his ultimate technique the God Slayer fist that combines every other technique) and Garou got More powerful feats (like the speedsters fight or speedblitzing The cadres and killing Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly with just a kick) thus he got More powerful.
Your Bang wank Is insane.
I think they are really close I think golden S has physical strength and durability but bang can counter that so it would be really close I think it can go either way
hard disagree on saying the exploding heart release would give him another power boost
the awakened breath already draws the body of the user to the limit
the exploding heart release fist would only give him more attack potency, but not more physical power as thats what the awakened breath is for (minus the attack potency of the exploding heart release fist).
as you said, awakening breath is push the user to the limit, exploding heart is different, as it push the user beyond the limit, so yes it does give him another power boost
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not really, it never says it does.
IT says it pushes the body of the user to the limit, never beyond the limit
@@aquariusm.910 then maybe you should learn how to read, in ch 153, it is specifically said word for word that it allows the user to surpass their body's limits
@@dimensionvisitor7689
that's missing the context:
if we go by what it says literally
"The explodig Heart Release fist.... As the name implies, it causes one´s heart to pulse explosively in time with the impact of your punches. In those moments, it allows one to surpass their body's limits. A wicked style that brings total devastation."
It only implies it surpases your body limits at the time of attacking or punching, never that it gives you another powerboost. It would mean that your punches generate incredible attack potency, surpasig the strength of your punches in a devastating attack, but not your overall body.
Garou didnt increse his power upon using it, he just gained suficient attack potency to bypass the defense of silver fang for a moment.
so no, it would obviously make Bang's punches stronger, but it wouldnt give him a physical power boost
@@aquariusm.910 it's funny you literally just explained how it is a power boost and then concluded that it is not a power boost
scaling with calcs has 0 value, so aside from that useless data, i mostly agree.
How is an A Class Hero large town level though? They can only take down a tree with their attacks
It depends on how You scale, but they're definitely way more than tree level. They can take down tiger level threats and some of them can one shot Black S bodies, deal damage to human Garou and take some hits from human Garou. Garou even early on is far above tree level.
Pls scale saitama and garou serious punch ^2 is it multi solar system ,galaxy or multi galaxy ?
Vsbattle say it galaxy possibly multi galaxy
Peak Golden S is 55 Trillion cells, peak Platinum S is 66 Trillion cells.
I personally prefer scaling based on narrative due to the fact that I heavily doubt One and Murata are doing all of these calculations for the characters feats, and based on narrative, golden S = Overgrown Rover. I’m honestly not sure who I think would win, all I can say is that it would be a close fight. I also have a quick question, do you measure characters strength based on how much damage 1 attack can deal, or do you measure based on how much damage 3-5 attacks can deal?
Depends on the situation, but both can be used IMO.
this has to be the worst scaling ever…. Sleeping Garou isn’t close to the strength of the Garou that fought PS
Bang didn't wake garou up. He made him back to his senses senses. He was already awake Against bang. It wasn't like the situation with darkshine where he was just thrashing in his sleep without using any technique. Against bang he was using multiple techniques and even copying his after seeing him do it in the middle of their fight. He was clearly conscious and fighting at his full potential. He also didn't get stronger after his fight with bang. Even if he did it wasn't by much. And bang did MUCH better Against a slightly weaker Garou than platinum S did against a slightly stronger one. Bang easily beats golden s and even platinum s but with extreme difficulty. And what garou meant by dreaming was that he perceived his fight with bang as a dream. He was dreaming about sparring with bang while in actuality all the moves he was doing in his "dream" he was actually doing it in real life against bang (in other words he perceived his fight against bang while he was monsterized as a dream. That was what was directly implied). So it was more of a hallucination than a dream. The fact of the matter is garou was fighting with his full potential against bang.
This argument is refuted in the video did we watch the same video?
let me answer the question before i watch the video; yes
silver fang will get low diffed, yes. easily too, yes.
PS vs Phoenix man
Bang is underrated imo
You are simply underestimating GS and PS, just like the BS thought King was underestimating them just like everyone else. The Bs wasn’t saying GS was literally an ant to king as he said “that bastard is really looking down on us”, so he clearly disagrees, he just needed PS for his specialty in speed to avoid contact with Kings ultimate hellfire attack and getting one shot to deal the first decisive blow at his distance
PS specialized in speed, and GS specialized in power, as PS couldn’t one shot FF who almost died from demon Gale’s steel wires, while DS said he is completely immune to steel, so DS is clearly more durable then FF. But GS casually one shot DS, and being mentally shocked doesn’t cause you to get knocked out, as DS was completely fine after Spiral Garou used dragon slayer on him, DS only gave up, not got less durable. That’s why PS said to FF “just like Darkshine, when outclassed by someone in your specialty, you abandon your duties…”, implying FF and DS and GS and PS have specialties, which is pretty obvious.
FF specializes in speed and technique, DS specializes in power and durability, GS specializes in power and gains corrosion resistance, and PS specializes in speed and gains a prehensile whip. We also know both Garou and BS like to hold back against most of the heroes, as Garou doesn’t want to kill any of them and BS/GS/PS wanted to see his opponents suffer slowly, like how they were bullying Genos, DS, FU, and FF. PS and Gs were clearly holding back by a gargantuan amount. So just because Garou one shot FU, doesn’t mean he was using that same attack power against FF. FF was just an annoying fly to him
The reason you underestimate PS and why he does scale not that far away from Sage is because PS got literally thousands of times faster than when he was fighting Flashy Flash. The first light structure with three people was formed a bit over 10 seconds as it occurred during a conversation that included King, Genos, Saitama, while the second structure occurred in a bit over a thousandth of a second. That is around 10,000 times faster than flashy flash. This makes sense because Garou had to start growing exponentially to start entering the Boros levels of power scaling. Also Sage is definitely around multi continent level, not small planet level. Calcs are almost always incredibly terrible as you have shown with one.
Also, PS was definitely referring to Atomic without the sun blade when he said Flashy Flash is the pinnacle that a human can reach, because the Sun blade was clearly not human strength. He has the title of worlds greatest swordsman for a reason, he just lacks durability and combat flexibility so FF is generally a better fighter, but that Sunblade definitely puts him higher with the monsterfiction like buff which you said yourself is a gargantuan power creep. One huge thing you forgot to take into account is Bangs stamina, and as an old man that stated he gets tired by just running a few KM, he would get tired way faster then GS who has the stamina of trillions of A class heroes.
The way I interpret Golden S and Plat S, specially with Golden S having initially higher cell count. Is that the reason why Plat S is stronger than Golden S isn't due to their stats being far apart, rather, the allocation of it. Golden S specializes in Durability and Strength. While Plat S specializes in Mobility and Speed. Between the two, which would be more confident to fight off King? Of course the faster one rather the stronger one, if already, they think King and his likes would just Ragdoll them. At least, that's how I interpret it.
Another interpretation of mine is Golden S is like Super Saiyan 1.5, recall Vegita and Trunks vs Cell, their Super Saiyan is bulkeir, hits harder, stronger etc. But they are lesser than Super Saiyan 2 due to 2 being faster and even though not as bulkier or stronger (in a sense), SSJ2 just simply has better overall stats that is above that bulkier version
Very nice video ! Good to hear you again
Another crazy vid from satori, good job on 4k subs btw lol
Thanks!
no problem been here since before the boos turned good series, you've gotten a hell of a lot better with your videos! Keep up the amazing work man@@SatorisYT
I would love for you to do a video on why TATSUMAKi versus platinum S isn’t even close good job on the video between golden s and silver fang have a good one
Thanks! I'll keep it in mind, though I think I'll probably do Orochi vs Platinum, since that seems at least a little more fair.
It was stated in the webcomic (specifically in the chapter where the cadres was going against King) Psykos said that Tatsumaki had a powerful psychic barrier even when she was unconscious. They were planning to fight King first and then wait for her "psychic stamina" to run out
Even though it's webcomic, it's safe to assume she always has the barrier on, even while sleeping. She must've had done it so many times before it became a subconcious action for her
Platinum Sperm can only run away
i feel like silverfang would just have a hard time breaking golden s durability. havent watched vid yet tho and ik bang is stronger overall
Nice pfp!!
I think why sleeping garou is so strong is because garou holds back in fights to not kill. At least monster garou
Golden S[BLACK BAR] is one of my favorite monsters.
Would love to see a Silver Fang vs Kaku Kaioh from the Rai-Tai tournament, both are the best at martial arts in their respective universe.
I actually just finished watching the Rai Tai Tournament a couple weeks ago. Would love to cover this topic sometime!
I think he would it scales Garou scaled to platinum S not golden S even if he was awake or not
u probably wont see this comment but can you send links for the calcs you showed in the video?
@@huhbooh Which calcs exactly? It's been a while since I rewatched this video, and I'm not too sure which ones I did or did not use here 😅
@@SatorisYT the multi-continental ps and the two small plantet lvl sage centipede calcs
@@huhbooh I just switched computers, so I don't have the calcs saved, and I don't have enough time at the moment to connect the old computer and search. I'll get back to You tomorrow, if that's alright?
@@SatorisYT yea sure thanks for going out of your way to find them i didnt even expect you to respond tbh
@@huhbooh Here are the Sage calcs:
topstrongest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StrymULTRA/One_Punch_Man:_All_the_AP_best_feats_(so_far)
character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Zamasu_Chan/Sage_Centipede_large_size
I couldn't find the Platinum S one on the internet anymore, but what it boiled down to was scaling an average A class hero to a certain level, and then using Homeless Emperor's statement about one Black S cell being stronger than an A class hero and multiplied that value by 54 trillion, since that's how many Black S cells make up Platinum S.
You could also take that garou grows is his fight vs platinum s
Theres this argument I saw about how Plat is faster than Gold but weaker because his muscles are much smaller and he traded AP for speed since full body GS and PS have similar cell counts
It's complete headcanon though.
I would say that Sage being small planet wouldn’t exactly have to make a ton of characters Multi Continental in AP since a lot of them downscale from Platinum Sperm rather than upscaling which would put them around Small Country to Continent level in AP. Still way higher than the island level AP lowball but not too outlandish and somewhat matching with city sizes in One Punch Man and threat levels.
Another thing: Just because the Bang against Elder Centipede couldn’t beat Elder Centipede, doesn’t have to mean that Elder Centipede is stronger or even as strong as Bang in the MA arc. It doesn’t upscale Elder Centipede as it more or less just upscales Fubuki cured awakening breath Bang.
Sage being Small Planet level is wank + fanfiction
@@phanthuaan480Yea but either way, small country to small continent is still more reasonable than fricken island level.
how strong do you think empty void will be like from everything we currently know like his fight with blast and him being able to solo all the ninjas encluding flash and sonic in the webcomic i would say about released boros level
We don't know much yet, so it's hard to say. If I had to guess, he's probably at least Tatsumaki level. Probably higher, especially in speed.
Bang slams Mid-Hard diff
All depends on if Bang uses explosion release fist or not
Have you ever thought of scaling Saitama in fanmade mangas?
No
@@SatorisYT Why not? It's fun
Do Nyan vs Metal Bat
i would say in an arm wreastling match golden s demolishes plutinum but when it comes to speed plutinum s leaves golden in the dust
More muscles doesn't necessarily mean Golden S is stronger, it wouldn't make sense for Platinum S to be physically weaker when he's basically Golden S but powered up
How would Golden S beat a version of himself that has more cells…with cells being shown to increase *all* stats
Golden S with his arm was 55 trillion while platinum was 54 trillion
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No joke, I don't even know what they sell. Like, I know it's a burger place and stuff, but it's been so long since I've been there that I don't know any specific names of what order options they have lol.
before the video i think golden sperm wins high-extreme diff i wonder if im right
EDIT OH WELL
Next do Golden S vs Metal Bat
Metal Bat is a very weird character to scale
Also I'd probably scale most of the S Class to comparable to multi-continental, because in Dragon Ball everyone is planetary.
nah screw it you can scale people like Krillin and Yamcha to above Cell, who can range from Solar sytem level to perhaps multi-solarsystem level based on calcs and Billions of times FTL.
If that reality exists, then a world where a old man and guys are multi-continenal isnt that weird for me. Dragonball logic idk
Bro the main character did pushups and situps (supposedly) and became strong enough to one shot the planet. You can’t really go looking for logical explanations for everything here.
@@josephmother2659don't forget plenty of juice
Great video
Thanks!
THE GOAT
Clicked on this INSTANTLY, peak (also censoring of golden S’s name is funny)
Hell No. This is a great example why the scaling of professor fiction is terrible. There is no way Bang is stronger and more durable than Golden even using the awakened breath or the exploding heart fist.
Why no way? Because you say so?
He can dent him, Golden S has not much options other than running, He will get hit by a barrage of bangs water stream ability, bang basically counters his attacks while both acknoledge each other's revealed strength, it probably remind bang of his spar with Darkshine if Golden S fought like Darkshine, because of his size bang would weave around after Golden S dodge him as a possible action.
I'd rather see Golden Fang versus Silver S
I am satisfied with silverfang winning cuz to me that feels obvious. I think that the multicontinental scaling bs is to me a reason why people should not take one punch as seriously. Its like how people somehow calced jotaro to be continental because of a singular punch he did which in real life would be continental, but obviously its not.
I believe that calculation can be interesting for powerscaling but I also believe its inconsistent, because obviously murata or one ar not going to calculate the attacks theyre drawing.
Ok buddy
Bang wrecks Golden Sperm. Bang was Garou a run for his money. I don't believe Garou got stronger after waking up like most people. He amped himself twice but didn't do so against Platinum. Even against Darkshine he just got better coordination he didn't get stronger until he got a zenkai boost. Psykos scales to multi continental or small planet after her God boost as she's on par with Orochi. Psyrochi should scale far higher.
You don't know how to power scale
You gotta provide counter evidence, bro.
Did you get your pc back?? 👀
Yup, back in action!
Great video! I completely agree with this and love how funny and goofy opm scaling can be sometimes.
I knew Bang would win, but I do wonder (what I am about to say is a character from a different fandom, so it’s just random), if Bang can beat Golden S and fight against Platinum S, who would win? Bang/Silver Fang or Homelander?
Again, it’s just random, don’t it so seriously.
I haven't seen the Boys
Isn't Homelander multiple-buildings level? some A class heroes would neg him. Unless you're talking about the comics version which I don't know much
@@SatorisYT Fair enough
@@higorss Show version
Any S class would defeat Home Lander I think. Maybe his laser beams can be a problem for devil tiles, like tank top or puri puri, but these two should be fast and be able to defeat him in one hit or a few
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You could also argue that Silver Fang wasnt fighting Garou with the intent to kill. Maybe he has a little extra in the tank.
garou woke up before his fight with bang?
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@@SatorisYT He was not asleep during his fight with bang, he woke up during his fight with darkshine
@@johnapeno7743 He did, but when he monsterized, he lost consciousness again and came to the surface as a beast acting on instinct. Bang had to wake him up at the end of their fight
right@@SatorisYT
but id argue he was operating at full performance despite this@@SatorisYT
golden s is focus more on strength and platinum s is focus more on speed
No, platinum is stronger en all aspects
@@cro0511 his not golden s one shots darkshine but platinum s didnt even one shots flashy flash does that mean flashy has better durability than darkshine?
@@xenter7106 Yeah.
Well now seriously, dark shine was in low morale at that time. but if we do not accept that, the manga appears to imply that he is . flashy is the s class that withstands radiation the most (more than bang). And they put him in a scene, already recovered from his battle against platinum while this dark shine lying on the ground next to him. Although I think we can assume that Flashy has techniques to be able to withstand blows better. Not that it is necessarily more resistant. And of course, there is always the possibility that it is more resistant, it is already faster and stronger
Platinum is simply much stronger in all aspects than golden. Golden is much more cautious against king while platinum is much more confident. Atomic is impressed by his aura, and says before Platinum emerges that Golden can become stronger through fusion. Platinum is referred to as his true self or his perfect form.
@@xenter7106 yes. that's literally what it means
Bang was fighting really well with sleeping monster garou without even using his strongest technique. I think that bang would definitely need that technique to kill someone as durable as golden sperm, I highly doubt he could do enough damage without it
Nice Analysis 👍
Thank You (:
Yet people think golden sperm can beat orochi lmao
Platinum s solo orochi
@@iloveicecreamok he doesn't
@@michadrzymaa2206 platinum s not golden s
@@michadrzymaa2206 platinum s not golden s
@@iloveicecreamok but he still doesn't beat orochi tho ?
Bang was consistently keeping up with garou and is the only person other than saitama latter on in garous monster form that he made him bleed and blatantly has better reaction speed and thats when he is not even blood lusted and after defeating bang he 1 shot vomited ugly who got stronger when he got beat up by golden s and he took attaks from golden s and homeless emperor and was fine afterwards but garou could 1 shot him and the same attacks that can 1 shot him bang could deflect that basically means bang has better defense and offense than golden s and i dont wanna hear the stupid argument that golen s stronger than platinum because it makes 0 sense and combat speed it probably goes to bang due to him having better combat speed than garou who is probably just as strong as the garou who fought platinum s and flashy if not stronger because he is using the breathing technique and the exploding heart release fist that push his body to its limits and beyond its limits and there is no evidence that he used thst in the 3 way fight and garou was making a fool of platinum s who is stronger than golden s and made a crack on his face with the first attack and made the crack on his face even bigger with the second Punch and atomic was pressing golden while he completely gave up on platinum after he transformed its literally goes to bang 9 times out of 10 and if bloodlusted could unironically 1 shot him so bang wins easily hopefully
Edit: bruuhh all the shit i siad were all in the video this is just a copy paste from the community post that i still wrote