Absolute Mad Lads - The Man Who Trolled Psychiatry, Gert Postel
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I believe there is a scene from fallout new Vegas that perfectly describes this man. “ They asked if I had a degree in theoretical physics. I told them I had a theoretical degree in physics.”
Leave Fantastic alone
Hey man, when in Rome!
I was pretty young when I played New Vegas (probably around 16 or so) but even as a kid I remember thinking that line was hilarious! Great game, incredible writing.
They said "welcome aboard"
100% yes
For anyone who doesn’t have twitter, Gert made like a dozen tweets about this video and said he loved it.
Nice, the man gets the credit he deserves
He trolled an entire profession
sounds like a good foundation for an interview podcast
I don't have twitter, but I think Gert might be my favorite in the mad lads series and hope he's well
Can i get a certificate of challenge pissing?
@@O-bearer-mine He actually loves it when people like dank here make mistakes.
Gert mostly promotes stuff about himself that is wrong. He loves that.
This Video is full of false information and leaves out the essential stuff Gert did.
He even fell for the Pope-hoax.
This guy had no complaints from his patients _after_ he was revealed to be a fake. Real doctors don't even do that well. That means he walked in off the street _and did a better job than the real professionals by making it up as he went along._ Says a lot about the field.
Says a lot about the guy too
In part it's because psychology is the only field where it's ALL theory and there's no EXACT answer that's 100% correct.
@@OffGridInvestor can confirm. I was in school for Psychology and it's all just using pills as a psychiatrist. 15 minutes a patient every 6 months. Now I'm going for nuclear medicine
@@OffGridInvestor Meaning it's just bullshit and not scientific at all.
@@G-Mastah-Fash Nah, theory IS science. It's just that our brains have so many factors that could go wrong, and we don't understand what lies behind our psyche or how the brain entirely works yet.
I was misdiagnosed with Depression for four years. I was on meds, going to therapy every week, and told there was some neurological imbalance causing it all. Turns out I just didn’t like the school I was in. Second opinion called my original psychologist a rat.
And now you're a Catholic Seminarian studying for the Diocese of Honolulu at St. Patrick's Seminary? Big if true.
"Cognitive-induced distortions on the stereotypical formation of judgement:"
opinions formed based on stereotypes and self-perpetuated delusion.
he told them his doctorate was on people believing his lies.
and they believed him.
So technically he was never lying, he was just practicing what he preached lmao
Like a boss
So he was meta
@@jooot_6850 He lied so hard it went back around to being true. This man is beyond our comprehension.
Man has a point though, that the industry was so fraudulent that it was literally impossible to distinguish an impostor from the genuine article.
Funniest thing is that he still gives speeches in front of doctors. He tells the whole story of his fakery. And in the end doctors still ask him medical questions. The dude has such charisma and skill that he still earns trust.
He knows more about human nature than those doctors do..
If he actually saw patients, and from the video it seems like he did, he might of run across situations that are still occurring. As long as that's the only reason it's not too bad to do so, but I'd assume the questions actually linking up is getting rarer and rarer (not that common to start)
@@Pavlos_Charalambous
No he doesn't. German here, and our Gert is simply a megalomaniac and pretender with a narcissistic personality disorder.
@@peteswafflemeyer5620 I mean, psycology ain't precisely a solid field, it is more unstable than Pisa tower xD
@@gamerito100 It has its uses as long as it's used right.
One of his quotes: "Ich war ein Hochstapler zwischen Hochstaplern"
it translates to : "I was an impostor among impostors"
sus
sussy baka
@@meatballboiyee924 im losing my mind
That's quite a rough translation. I imagine it more precisely means "I was an impostor among impostors".
@@ahumblepotato9801 amogus
The fact that this guy’s patients didn’t even complain about their treatment, despite him *not being a doctor* explains a lot about the industry.
Gert's "doctorate" is even more cocky than using his real name to apply. He told a guy his doctorate was lying to people and them believing it.
I noticed that. He like long form said I fucking fool people.
Isn't that just the epitome of their doctrine
Homie was practicing what he preached
The fact he could say that to someone in the field and they just laugh it off is alarming.
@@HyruleSunset If I remember the story it wasn't just one guy, it was a room full of experts
"He was treated extremely well by the police"
Crazy bastard probably convinced them he was the chief of police.
He was probably nice to the arresting officers, and told them how he fooled the arrogant intellectuals.
"Hey, do you know Joe?"
Brilliant x
Yes I know Joe Momma.
:)
Fun Fact: some of his Patients actually claimed that they felt much better off with the treatments he subscribed on them using simply observation and real life common sense then with the actual „factual“ treatments they received later on by „real“ psychiatrists.
Turns out when you don’t exist to push pills you’re less likely to toss useless prescriptions out.
The real therapy begins when you pick up a copy of Dianetics
*prescribe
@@rustyshackleford7265 The first reply corrected it. Politely.
@@iamwhoyousayiam6773
And yet he hasn't changed it
And this exactly how those 3 professors trolled a gender studies “academic” magazine. They also released a chapter from Mein Komf with the words Jew replaced with White and men.
I needa see a pic of that
With all the insane published academic papers I've read, that's easy to believe. Even saw a guy troll a crowd of Leftist protesters by rewriting one of Hitler's speeches to fit their narrative.
Still, I too would like the source or even the title of the paper.
@@keystrix3704 I've seen commies do the same by tricking right wingers into agreeing wholeheartedly with Marx. What colour shirt you're wearing doesn't matter if most people are loud, irreconcilable retards
Good to see the Rogan heads on the MadLads
@@limeboo3731 while true, I think there's a bit of a difference in consequence for both. A bunch of Maga hat wearing rubes off the street aren't likely to have much societal influence, whereas the group that were duped by the Mein Kamph search age replace are peer reviewers. Meaning they determine what's considered what's "good" or "bad" Science TM.
"In a room of intellectuals, no one wants to risk looking stupid."
We can apply that wisdom in many places in modern society. Politics and medicine are just two of the heap.
And conversely when it comes to 'street' culture: In a room full of morons, no one wants to risk looking bright' (or decent for that matter).
You just described a shockingly high percentage of Americans. Way too many people here lust for the lifestyles you can hear about in hip hop music. It’s gotten entirely out of hand; a bit disgusting, to be blunt.
@@SentMyOwnWay It's terrifying. A moral and cultural race to the bottom.
@@lefroy1 Back to the moral standards of the ancient times, "might makes right" and the best "good" is self gratification, and all that.
in a room of big egos, no one wants to admit being wrong
As a child i was bounced around psychiatrists and as an adult i can entirely see where this man is coming from. Looking back a lot of what they said and did was complete bollocks
Elaborate?
@@Chrisboy265 negotiating your into accepting unacceptable life circumstances with pills that make it impossible to be "depressed" OR happy
I think currently this is mostly in the USA though, myself and a lot of people around me have had great help from psychiatrics
@@jjdelft3216 It is not an US problem. It is a general one. Freud was German, as was Gerd the 'fraudster'.
Psychology is as good a treatment as priests and witch doctors are. When the 'doctors' don't give you pills and hear what you say, and don't have a few screws loose - which is often the case - they can give human advice.
I've listened to a psychologist just basically agree with everything a borderline/NPD client said, appeared to have no clue as to their diagnosis (it was ridiculously obvious) and their advice was along the lines of "you should treat yourself well" ect, that is all NPDs do, it's other people they don't treat so well. Of course they may have realised the diagnosis, knew there was little they could do for this person (they lie to psychologists ect for starters) and so just said what this person wanted to hear till they went away. That would bring up issues too though.
DM: How do you want to build your character?
Gert: Charisma.
DM: Oh, and some into strength or...
Gert: Charisma.
DM: OK, how about some Dex..
Gert: Charisma.
Chaotic good
@@violenceislife1987 Chaotic Neutral with points in Int and Wis (Willpower)
Smooth.
And the Actor feat, of course
I always go all in on charisma it’s got me out of a lot of situations and you can’t beat those shop prices.
"Too often do we confuse scientists as science itself."
Dr. Douglas Walker
nostalgia critic?!?!?!
@@reubenc0039 SOMEONE FUCKING GOT IT!!!!
You know, for a Nostalgia Critic quote: this is probably one of the best-stated critiques of post-modern science. Too many people get away with blatantly spewing bullshit, just because they're an "expert", and people just eat away at it because they don't know any better. This is why I almost always hesitate to trust scientific "studies" these days because it's often more philosophically driven or heavily based in abstract theory rather than pragmatically driven.
@@spimpsmacker6422 It's not a quote. I just tacked his name on to see if people would notice. It's an original comment.
@@tbonbrad Oh, well it's a good statement regardless; I couldn't have said it better myself.
Another anecdote of Postel: During is charade he also worked as an expert for courts from time to time. After he was exposed a judge told him even with the judge's current knowledge, Postel wrote the best expert opinions in his carrer.
For real?
I had a stroke reading this, took me 2 times, don't do drugs kids lmfao
@@Glumsage drugs have something to do with your lack of reading comprehension?
@@Astares9 its called impairment my guy lmao
@@beserkerlancelot8754 Often times court experts do psychiatric examination without even talking directly to a person. Postel on the other hand always spoke with them and showed interest and empathy for the reasons why people acted the way they did without showing an arrogance, his 'real' colleagues often have. The judge said to his day he likes how Postel showed real interest on a human level for his patients' conditions and it showing in his opinions for the court.
This is like a 4chan level of commitment to an epic trolling.
Autism doesnt need an underwater basket weaving forum to thrive
@Facts don’t care about your feelings , TH-cam ! Oof, we have a tough guy here, totally not a snowflake
Christ this entire comment thread is embarrassing in 10 different ways
@Facts don’t care about your feelings , TH-cam ! Good one, feeling better now?
@Facts don’t care about your feelings , TH-cam ! My original reply was auto-deleted by TH-cam. You're close, but incorrect. It was an operation by 4chan that was organized their and then spread on social media sites, primarily Twitter. They pitched the idea on 4chan and several anons thought it was a funny idea, so they spread it in mass to troll the normies. Just like how they created the version of their mascot in as [censored: circus performer with red nose, painted face, and large shoes]. Instead of going with the iconic red hair for [censored: that infamous frog in circus employee atire] they went with rainbow so it would be associated with the pride flag when the meme inevitably gets labeled a hate symbol by the normies. 4chan is pretty good at predicting normie emotional reactions.
So his lecture was like that scene in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones where Count Dooku tells Obi-Wan the entire plot of the prequel movies and Obi-Wan is like "Nah, don't believe you"?
@1 2 the scean on geonosis, before he gets put in the arena in episode 2.
Lee qualifies.
This man's understanding of human behavior is beyond that of most psychiatrists. He was even able to manipulate the police from coming into his home.
He's the real life Reigen Arataka, a man who managed to stay toe-to-toe with literal demi-gods just by being the slyest bastard around. Give Gert enough resources and a middle-school superpowered sidekick, and he may star in his own anime one day.
Even better. When he did want to know how police investigation works, he signed up to the internal police leadership academy and studied their lesson books in the internal library :)
The title of the thesis he gives doesn’t sound like random bullshit, it’s another time he’s hinting at what he’s doing to them. He is inducing cognitive distortions on the formations of their judgement through pretending to be a doctor to try and get the job, just like using the name of a conman in his lecture the man has balls of steel and is mocking them to their faces without them even knowing
It sounds like it is absolutely his area of research!
Honestly he is pretty much an expert in that field anyway
[In the head of the Senior interviewer]
"Oh shit! This must be something ,new?
Play it off!"
yep, great humor!
It makes just enough sense that your mind tries to fill in the blanks and give it proper meaning. You can say utter horseshit, and people might just believe it if you say it with enough conviction. It's the foundation of any good cult.
Man was the walking embodiment of "just apply, worst they can say is no"...
He definitely earned the Mad Lad title. He can put that on his CV without lying.
"Trust the experts! They know better and are experts!"
Now when I hear that phrase I tend to immediately feel the opposite.
Its the new "Well my local pastor said!"
"Trust the science!
"No wait, not that science!"
I think SKisM said it best: Fuck these experts
I almost made a comment more or less like "holy shit germans are delusional" but you made me remember it's global
Side Note:
The reason why he gave himself 2 doctor titles was, he didnt wanted to be questioned too much about the job he didnt knew nothing about. He mentioned his thinking process was, if im that young with a dr. Title they would ask me alot of things in the interview, but not if i have 2 doctor titles.
A charge of fraud and usurpation of authority was dropped because the judge got a call from a federal prosecutor who told the judge there was no point in taking the charge to court. The federal prosecutor was Gert.
🤣 100 speech
Hilarious. Back in the early 80s, I worked at a state mental hospital, where I met a white haired little man, who was there because he had managed to get a position as a professor of mathematics at the state university, despite being totally unqualified. I cannot recall how many years he held the position, nor how he got caught, but I can attest that he was also a brilliant locksmith, capable of unlocking the doors to the ward with a plastic spoon. He never escaped as he was happy there. Go figure. 3 hots and a cot with medical care, a good retirement.
That guys name was Ed and hes a schizophrenic, been a patient for years. No family or anyone that can take him in so they decided to keep him there for the rest of his pious life. Good guy though.
@@jaydwy8069 Yep. Although disclosing personal info is still a no-no, remember? Although if he is deceased it may no longer apply. "My heart!" His line when he got into trouble and would feign a heart attack. Lol.
Shit, the Feds.
My heart!!!!!
@@dr.2335 call an ambulance! But not for me.
@F.B.I • Federal Bureau of Investigation I did not hear him speak, but then he wrote "hes a schizophrenic", which I deduce is a typo for "he's", so the previous part could mean that he changed his name, and is now called Milton. Yes, I can be pedantic as well.
This man is literally just a Fallout: New Vegas charisma build in real life.
Not really new vegas because Charisma is garbage in that game but more like that guy at helios one
"They asked me how much I knew about theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. They said welcome aboard"
@@MinZilla yeah there's like only 2 or 3 charisma checks in the entire game or something ridiculous like that, so I just do 9 int builds when I wanna get high speech early on
Real life Fantastic
@@migurushii941 You minmaxers ruin everything (joke)
And he was a courier
Just for the record: Before Germany adapted the PhD, "Dr." was the equivalent. Instead of writing the title at the end of the name, you'd write it in front. It was completely legitimate to have multiple doctor degrees. For example, being named Dr. Dr. Alexander Müller was completely legitimate. Just not with the age of 23 lol
"DOUGGIE HOUSER GOT NO SHIT ON ME!"
XD
"... had a very bad experience with the field of mental healthcare; specifically psychiatry... developed a burning hatred for the field of psychiatry and he felt that psychiatry was a bunch of snake oil"
Relatable. The field hasn't changed much
dude is basically in a revenge movie
It’s literal purpose is to control people who don’t fit the norms. Just like prisons.
@@chimene3851 lmao my psychiatrist tried to spin the video games cause violence meme on account of me having depression.
@@spudkingxd4843 I had a clinician who had the gall to tell me that after 10 years of getting jerked around by the system that my being upset was "anger addiction"
@@IS-su2jf people who don't fit the norm should be brought in line. The issue is that the field doesn't do that. It's akin to "healing" crystals
The most funny thing to me is that he could very well have become a highly respected doctor in the field, with his clear understanding of the human mind and his mastery of its exploitation. But hey, good on him for pointing out the flaws in a broken system.
Or he could have become an absolute rich manipulator of people. Good on him for not being evil.
Especially since none of his patients wanted to take up charges against him it's like....yeah he's a fake doctor but damn was he a good one
The point is is that we, as people, know next to NOTHING about how the brain works outside of the fact it exists, it has hormones and it does ..... things. Postel just came at it from a heuristic approach as opposed to a clinical one and when he was called out and finally exposed the Judge even admitted that Postel wrote some of the best expert opinions he ever seen. Simply by the fact he treated the person as a human and had a genuine interest in their condition as opposed to the typical arrogance actual shrinks had.
@@BullsMahunny I think this also goes to show that psychiatry has moved in the wrong direction. The overt drug prescription and diminished importance of therapeutic care is just one of the examples of the medical industry's wrongdoings. Drugs usually do not fix mental problems, they just affect the brain chemistry. The patient suffers, Big Pharma profits. Good therapeutic care isn't dependant on psychoactive substances (or even a medical degree).
What "clear understanding of the human mind" do you mean?
The actual Gert (very different from Dankulas story) was not a master manipulator face to face.
He just took advantage of the fact, that the cold war was ending and east-german autorities were totaly collapsing under the weight or work the collapse of the eastern block put onto them.
He then made up his references in west-germany and gave addresses of himself or friends, so he could answer all letters asking about his references. The east-german authorities simply did not have the ressources to check for correlation between the references and the given addresses.
Thats why it worked there and in west germany he always got caught and sentenced when he tried to pull a stunt like this.
After that he just plagiarized west german works that he presented in lectures in east-germany (he did not, how Dankula claimed, just make stuff up) and when he had to prescribe treatment to patience, he would do the old "Dear colleague, I always like to get a unbiased second opinion before i prescibe a treatment"-trick.
There is actually no real "understanding of the human mind and (...) mastery of its exploitation" there, he just exploited how overworked the east-german authorities were.
"the weather was to nice to go to the police" sounds like this man had a pretty good grasp on things.
he really does and he knows it which brings also his bad traits to light. I binged some of his interviews ( I'm german) and you get really quick how knowledgeable he is. Listening to him can be very captivating but it can turn into being uncomfortable. Depends mostly on the interviewer and the wording of the questions. There is one in which he is interviewed by a young woman who usually interviews german rappers since it's for an rap magazine. He's trolling her too. It's funny, interesting and sometimes painful to watch. As the conversation progresses he is less harder on her, because he considered she's an intelligent, decent and honest person. He can get really nasty if a 'dumb' journalist sits in front of him. But he has not to be since he's very intelligent, but that's exactly were his emotions and ego come into play. My two cents of a very interesting individual. Thank you for reading
I heard that and suspected he might be a narcissist.
@@tonka9573 narcissist or not if you think someone’s dumb often times you’ll get annoyed by them. That’s just human nature. There’s always gonna people you do and don’t like and that’s a human trait.
@@ronkledonkanusmoncher564 Narcissist is a blanket insult that whiny people use when they are bothered by a confident person.
Postel is the living proof that appeal to authority works.
Especially in Germany where every second politician has a fake doctoral degree.
No matter what bull you talk...the title gives weight to your words.
Postel bester Mann.
Reminds me of that politician of Die Grünen
I think in the last 2 decades there were maybe 2 accounts of a fake degree in politics. At least one of them just contained parts that were stolen. So it's not like there's an epidemic.
I work with many “doctors” in Germany specifically. A doctorate in Germany is equivalent to an undergraduate degree in the US - maybe a masters if you’re lucky. People manage to get their PhD at 17 and start with a company. They never leave the company so no one ever questions the PhD.
@@settame1 thats really out of your ass. show me one person with a phd at 17
he's famous and infamous here in germany. everybody knows his name and his face. some regard him as a villain and a psychopath, to others he is a hero that exposed the whole field of medicine and psychology /psychiatry.
I did'nt know of him before now and i quite like that guy, ironically he was'nt even that bad at the job. If that proves him to be Gifted/Smart or Proves the whole system to be a Con, idk.
i don‘t know in which germany you fucking live but let me tell you I have never heard this mans name in my entire life, nor have any of my friends and I‘m as german as it gets.
"Dr. Dr. ... No I didn't mis-speak, doctor was twice in his name" - that might be just because he was German. Academic titles are a *very big deal* in Germany, so someone with two doctorates will absolutely demand to be called "Dr. Dr.". Such people would also put even the worst Karen to shame with how they'll retaliate if you forget the second Dr., so I can see why nobody challenged it, lmao.
@Dr. Bright pretty sure you aren’t allowed to do that, Dr. Bright
Sadly that likely means science is just an afterthought, if it actually ever happens. Titles are the academic equivalent of a beauty contest.
Can you say “double-doc” or “double D”?
So if Pete Docter, the movie director, had a double doctorate, he’d be doctor doctor Docter.
@@irfuel they truly are obcessed with academic achievements...even to work minemum wage jobs you gotta do a 3 year vocational course... truly insane
Postel was a social chameleon, who easily looked through the way that physicians in Germany talked to each other, playing to their narcissism and self-consciousness.
His letters to other physicians, for example, generally ended on "with friendly collegial greetings", which was how they talked to each other back in the day.
Incidentally, this is also how he signed a copy of his book for my father^^
17:52 "Doktorspiele" is actually a pun title with two meanings:
1. The literal meaning like the Count himself explained. "Playing doctor" or "doctor games".
2. A metaphor for playing out sexual fetishes in the bedroom.
I feel like “unauthorized assumption of academic titles” is something that should be used more often to punish quackery.
It is not the same as quackery though.
Plenty of authorized assumers of titles are complete quacks. Which is kinda Gert's whole point
As if academic titles are a guarantee of anything, except that someone wasted their time to go through with it. And I'm talking from a "hard sciences" perspective, most academics just know their lingo and have their contacts and that's it. The reason why he probably wasn't exposed earlier is because academia is built up on reputation (not on science) and it's corollary, which is not challenging other people's reputation, specially when they are above you in the pecking order.
it's often the quacks WITH the pieces of paper to say "not insane", despite most evidence to the contrary.
delet this transphobia omg
The Guy kinda reminds me of a german comedian called Hape Kerkeling. Back in the early 90s he gained fame because he just dressed up as Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and they waved him all the way through to Castle Bellevue for a Heads of state meeting. Apparently they only noticed when the real queen showed up a bit later. He also disguised himself as a ersten european componist, created a completely nonsensical piece called "Hurz!"...and all kinds of music experts discussed the hidden meanings and values of a Song that had none
Yeah the way Dankula tells the story, it seems to be very similar.
Sad part of the story is, that a lot of what Dankula said is just not true. The language barrier apparently was too much.
Dank needs to cover that
it’s a proven fact; Germans are the best trolls on earth
@@moe3235 yeah like the time they pulled a little joke on the jews
@@vangismail1580 fuck beat me to it
“Cognitive-induced distortions on the stereotypical formation of judgement” is technically not nonsense… it’s just a fancy way of saying “lying.”
Cognitive induced distortions as in distortions of the mind, and stereotypical formations of judgement as in usual thought, so basically throwing off their sense of judgement. He’s fucking with them again.
Most of the terms in psychology are just fancy speech for normal shit
@@Goblinhandler rather very descriptive than fancy
I'm glad I'm only one of many who realized he was describing making shit up
I was just thinking that 😂
Coming from academia myself, this just sums it all up nicely
When my wife and I had our daughter, her obgyn suggested we induce, but expressed that I wanted to wait the weekend. She was mad at me, but we waited and she went into labor 3 hours after our meeting. Doctors are great and I come from families of doctors on both sides, but intellectual arrogance can certainly be a huge issue in the long run.
You saved her a lot of unnatural pain 👍🏻💖
@@gillymac9363 haha no she was in labor for almost 30 hours, she’s a trooper. She took the epidural and I have a suspicion that somehow delayed the birth but again I’m no doctor.
@@gillymac9363 the fuck are you on about?
Arrogance and ego get in the way of basically any and every profession. It is just expected that doctors and scientists ect. to be held to higher standards than like a librarian or something like that.
@@funnyjoke9225 inducing labor can be a rough process
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Due to recent events, I think most of us were betting on Chris Chan (not likely until the Jail Saga concludes) 😂 But in all seriousness, I hope we get an episode on John McAfee soon.
I hope it’s Chris Chan. I love Geno’s work but it’s so long and in depth i just want the Dankula notes
I don't think he would have time to make a CWC mad lads in the time between now and recent events.
@@heeman1203 agreed. Plus with the sheer volume of content to be had in Christory', it would need to be at least two parts, even with Dankula's more short-form storytelling.
McAfee was born for this...
McAfee first then chris chan after the incest saga concludes with him getting thrown in cwcville jail
I love that it was the Germany Army that actually enforced "uh, papers please."
The Army in basically any western European country is serious. If you don't follow protocol, they'll roast you alive. They're used to moles and double agents slipping through their ranks.
They were not the only ones actually. Gert tried to do this a lot and he was caught many times, especially in the beginning.
He only started beeing successfull with his scam, when the Iron Curtain fell and he could fool East-German autorities who were understaffed and overworked.
Sadly this video provides a lot of wrong information, most likely because of the language-barrier, it was the same in his Dragonlord-Videos.
"Dr. Dr." is not an uncommon sight for people who have two Ph.D. degrees in two different fields. It is, however, very uncommon for people who don't have a single degree in any field.
And canine dog is a strange name for a cat
I think being 23 and having two doctorates shouldve raised red flags left and right. But whatever XD
@@acidsteve9837 Literally this lmao
Gert: says anything
Real actual doctors: “that’s bullshit but I’ll believe it”
Real actual
“I refuse to make Among Us jokes in this video.”
If people aren’t liking the video already, that should give them a reason to like it now.
I love how chat immediately became shitted up for a solid 2 minutes when he said that.
idk sounds super sus to me
@@JarthenGreenmeadow “SUS SUS SUS AMONGUS SUS SUS AMONGUS”
I went straight to the like button
@@shibavekreal I have your little song stuck in my head after reading your comment.........thanks asshole, lol
Seeing this just reminded me of a mad lad I wanted to suggest a long time ago: Wolfgang Beltracchi is an art "forger" who used to do his paintings in the style of particular famous artists and then pretend they had been lost to history and sold them for millions, fooling every expert and art dealer. He was so good at it that one of his forgeries was actually thought to be the best painting of the artist he imitated and made it to the cover of an art magazine.
Remember lads, Piracy and forgery are always good options
@@Zerpderp0 based
Postel has much more jokes and crazy storys when he is telling it.
A jung woman who had a mental breakdown and became his patient. He just told her that’s normal in these circumstances and has sent her home.
A big difficulty in his trial was that he assisted in many trials himself as appraiser for the mental state of the offenders. But he was praised for that work too and they couldn’t find much reason for resettlement’s of these cases.
Also he was kind of disappointed that he got through so far. One of the reasons why he tried to escalate and talked to the minister, mentioned in this video.
When they showed him in TV he was appalled that they got so many things wrong.
And as a final joke he tells you after his talks, not to believe everything he just told you because he is a pathological liar after all. 😆
The final joke is not a joke though, he lies as soon as he opens his mouth
Bit disappointed in the research on this episode^^
I liked the story where he was confronted with his boss taking a vacation, leaving him in charge of the clinic.
The way he handled it was by stopping a large scale escape attempt by the inmates (which he instigated/faked). That way he got out of the situation of being in charge of the clinic, which he thought was above his ability to fake, and he got commended for his vigilance by his superiors^^
As a citizen of Flensburg, i remember my grandma telling me the story about him when I was younger. He's mostly liked here in the whole north of Germany
I worked in a nursing home a few years back, stripping and waxing floors.
There I met a old fella who wanted to make his escape from the dementia ward. He approached me wearing sweatpants, no shoes but did have on a button up shirt.
On his shirt he wrote his name inside a rectangle.
All done in a Black Sharpie Marker he stole from the nurses desk.
He told me he had forgotten the numeric code to the door, leading to the outside and asked if I would open the door for him.
I didn't have the heart to tell him that the disguise was lacking so I just directed him to the Nurses desk for assistance.
You possess significantly more restraint than I do, I'd have let him out.
As a five-year clinical psychology student I must admit that this individual is quite the legend!
He truly is.
Though most of what Dankula said is not true.
Seems a lot got lost in translation. He did not even get the basics correct
@@truckwarrior5944 elaborate?
@@GeeMannn Lets go for one example, cause the whole case is really big and complex.
Dankula Said, that Postel made up stuff, and none of the experts noticed. That’s just wrong.
He went to East Germany when the wall fell and he took a lot of west German works with him.
He then reworded those works and basically told people it were his works. So for the East German experts, they listened to actually scientific stuff that they only did not recognize as someone else’s work, cause the iron curtain had kept them from reading that before.
The story Dankula tells us funnier, but it’s not true and the real one is kinda brilliant.
@@truckwarrior5944 You are making the mistake of believing anything Postel says. He is a narcissist and a pathological liar, a truly disgusting person
I mean just look at his twitter
@@kotnascher6711 I literally do the oposite.
I don't believe anything Postel says, that has not been proven to be true.
My example has been proven to be fact.
In all fairness to Gert, his past experience with mental health and the fact he was such a good con man probably made him more of an expert on the human mind than most of the people who just read books about it.
Also shows how good of an psychiatrist he was (and maybe the bad state of the ‘professionals’) if all of his patients loved him and wouldn’t pursue legal action.
All Gert did was prove beyond doubt the entire realm of psychiatry is horseshit. These people don't have just 4 year college degrees. 30 seconds after he started speaking on any subject should have instantly told his true story. Either by someone challenging the nonsense coming out of his mouth, or noticing him using vaguery to speak around subjects instead of attempting to make a point.
Gert is supporting evidence to the non-scientific nature of psychiatry, right along side the fact that it produces nearly ZERO scientific studies that are repeatable by other scientists.
@@ekscalybur
Based. I doubt Gert could pull the same stunt with engineers, mathematicians, or medical doctors.
@@bruhbruh-us6gl very true. Not like they can fact check his work 😂
He just asked other doctors for their opinions on treatment and did what they suggested.
@@bruhbruh-us6gl I remember a little comic where a guy sees how long he can pretend to be knowledgeable about a subject in front of an expert:
Math: 2 seconds
Medicine: 5 seconds
Literary critic: (the artists dayjob) 15 years and counting.
8:28 The guy literally said his thesis was about lying, albeit in jargon. Amazing.
If a man can go 2 years under-cover with "experts" in the field of psychiatry with a "fake" doctorate and still outsmart at least 80% of them at their own game, I think he deserves a REAL doctorate tbh. Also, my man finessed the church.
Not to say doctorates are worthless indicators of knowledge and skill, but it is a shame we live in a world where that "symbol/title" is worth more than actual knowledge and skill.
He may not have studied the field through the main channels, but I think you are right in that he wasn't just faking and bullshitting the entire time, he obviously had an indepth understanding of the subject to not only fool "experts" for years but genuinely help people to the extent that even when found out to be a fraud not a single one of patience jumped on that bandwagon.
Oh yeah I just realized, it's not even that he fooled them, he fooled them as they were praising him for being exceptional in "his" field. Haha
That, or remove everybody else, that shit's ridiculous lol.
You can read some basic 101 books about psychiatry and mental disorders and make a pretty decent first impression with most people.
Alot psychiatry is just understanding how the human mind works and nobody studies this more than psychopaths.
Sadly not everything in this video is true.
He never really outsmarted anyone at their own game, what he actually did was fake a shitton of evidence that he was really a doctor, by fabricating other false identities, that verified his claims (some allegedly played by friends of him, though nobody has been convicted). He even made up a prosecutor more than once, claiming to be investigating him, to keep medical personel from reporting him.
And he never actually met the Pope. That is a claim he made, that has been disprooven literally hours after he made it, cause the Pope was in a different country on the date he gave for the private meeting.
Dankula got a lot wrong here and overhyped this person a lot sadly. It was impressive how he managed to get into medical positions again and again (even though he was caught multiple times), but he was not half as good as Dankula makes him out to be.
I suspect there is problems with the language-barrier, cause it was very much the same with Danks Dragonlord-Videos.
@@truckwarrior5944 Dank literally showed a photo of his pope meeting and, judging from how it looks it doesn't look photoshopped. Not to mention photoshop wasn't a thing back then
thesis on "Cognitive induced distortions in the stereotypical formation of judgment" ....so basically, by using one's raw logic guided by unconscious stereotypes for the purpose of assessment. Stereotypes such as flowery overcomplicated language for simple terms means u r smrt.
I work in mental health and I gotta applaud this man.
do you though? if i learned one thing from this video, it is not to trust someone who says he is a doctor.
@@notoffensivenpc8400 Never said doctor~ LOL
He did not come up with it though. Don't know where Dankula got that from.
The guy just simply took someone elses work, changed wording and title and read that in his lecture.
@@truckwarrior5944 then I'm positive he picked this topic with irony in mind.
@@JPG816 That is propably true.
Though he was known for having titles there were a bit off to what he actually presented.
Postel had a very basic understanding about the stuff, but he really just took other peoples work (some of that unpublished work of other people who had trusted him) and reworded it, just to hold a lecture about it, with his own title.
So it's save to say he picked the title cause he liked the irony. We don't know about the real contents of the lecture though.
I worked with a guy with this skill of lying. I watched him get away with lies for about 4 years. Was interesting to just watch him coast through life until finally had a smart person who realized he was lying showed up and caught on to it.
I feel like, when most people grow up, something of childhood remains in them that implicitly expects adults to be competent (at least, adults in fields to which they do not personally belong or that hold some sort of status). Gert is one of the few people that managed to get rid of that bit of childhood.
There is an established name for this form of cognitive bias which I cannot remember. It's often described when somebody like a doctor hears a news report about their medical specialty that has many egregious mistakes, but will still trust that the other reports on topics they don't know about are factual and don't have many mistakes. People can easily distinguish between reliable and unreliable sources in their own area of expertise, but are laughably bad at doing so when it comes to topics which fall outside of their wheelhouse.
@@tissuepaper9962 only because they havent been shown examples that are of this nature. You gotta be really smart/get lucky to distinguish these things on your own, experts learn by being shown.
No, its simply becoming and adult and understanding what a grown man, grown human beeing and sovereign, self sufficient human beeing is. Plus, - believing in god.. You wonder why that is important?
- Psychology. - Humans ALWAYS believed in something higher, and for those that are atheists its science, therefore this blind believe in psychiatry even though its far more idiotic then astrology. The more immature are more obidient and naive towards everyone amongst this "priest class" (Germans for example), the more mature at least believe in science as a general institution and "guidance" for the world. (science knows this btw)
Warms my heart to know that Dank butchers not only Russian words and names but also totally mangles German ones.
He also manages to butcher the English words as well :^)
I don't know if someone else pointed it out already, but "Doctor Doctor" is actually quite common in the German medical field, because many practitioners will get degrees in different fields (a dentist for example might be called "Dr. Dr. Med. Dent. Max Müller")
The funny thing about Gert is that at his age being a double doctor was basically impossible. It takes 8 years of study for one medical doctorate and doing two at once is almost impossible, so he was even taking the piss with his impossible self prescribed accolades.
@@G-Mastah-Fash Oh right, I didn't even consider that at first, but this guy was even more of a shitposter than I thought...
Hahahahahaha then there is merika. I know a guy who named his child doctor.
This is a thing typical to the German speaking world. Most people otherwise would not really mention their titles. But I have worked with a triple Dr. from Germany lol
@@G-Mastah-Fash That is simply not true. 8 Years is the average, not the minimum. And even then he did not give his real age.
It's very unlikely to be a Dr. Dr. before your 30s, but it's not impossible at all.
"Cognitive-induced distortions on the stereotypical formation of judgement"
Lies enabled by the mind's capacity to reason for such.
I, for one would see dr. Gert Postel for my issues. According to his record, he is quite the overachiever, and has good rewievs.
Gert would have had a field day with the NHS and their so called "Mental Heath Assistance"...
I know kids (young adults) that got perscribed methadone after going to their GP and later on an "addiction specialist" through NHS to treat their 6 months- 1 year long addiction to... CoCodamol (8mg codeine OTC pills). If you know you know, if you don't... methadone is more addictive than heroin, harder to quit than heroin (month of hellish withdrawal instead of like 4-5 days tops), qnd should be used only in worst hopeless cases with people abusing smack for like 10+ years who went to like 10+ detox and rehab centres all for nothing, methadone allows them to function normally while wearing these liquid cuffs for tbe rest of their lives since they are deemed as lost causes and substiture is the only way they have a chanxe of staying off the needle... bravo NHS lmao
@@aw2584 I deal with their incompetence on a daily basis...my mom moved back to the U.K from South Africa with Epilepsy, a very very bad case of PTSD and a massive social anxiety problem after a car jacking at gun point where they shot my dad dead and beat her broken and bloodied with the butt of an AK47...she`s on chronic meds for the Epilepsy and has tried 3 times in the last 8 years to kill herself, she was sectioned for a week and all they did was take away her Valium prescription (That she really needed to help with knocking her out during a fit)
Not one single NHS worker has visited her or even called her since the Scamdemic started in 2020...I had to up root my life and move back to this shi* hole of a country to keep an eye on her...the NHS is unfit for purpose, even the state run South African medical system is better, and if you know anything about that, then you`ll realize the magnitude of that statement!
@@ca9968
Why didn’t you just take her with you instead of moving back to Londinistan?
@@combativeThinker she moved home in 2010 to Cheshire. after her falling apart here I came out to help her, unfortunately as she is "Disabled" and white, she can`t work in South Africa and they have no form of social care for people like her in her position..I`m thankful that she`s getting Disability Benefits and her meds are covered as there was no way I could afford it on my own in South Africa, the problem I have here is the follow up care that they offer but never deliver...
"I seen one of them disappear and reappear before my very eyes, although being a scientist, I have to admit I might've just blinked longer than usual" ~ Nobark Noonan
"That's gotta be the most irresponsible thing that the Catholic church has ever done"
*intense stare intensifies*
69 likes, make a wish!
Pecador Contempla starts playing in the background
Yes....I also watched the video.
This is exactly what I do in management meetings, talk shit with big words and hold back the laughter when watching everyone struggle to understand. When I then ask if there are any questions, no one ever raises a hand.
Aren't you clever.
I really want Christopher Lee , how tf have we not got him yet , literally one of the most accomplished and astounding people to live
Oh shit...you right
Yeah he was a freaking awesome individual on and off screen, but was he a madlad though? 🤔
We dont have enough factual information about a large portion of his life, simply because he refused to discuss it publicly.
Too much is still classified
Ok. I'll lobby for you if you help me get The Radioactive Boy Scout on.
So he set a goal for himself and managed to achieve it. Talk about dedication
It's very easy to do this. I work in commerce and everyone does that here. 9 out of 10 people have no idea about the things they want to buy, so we can tell them anything. I've overheard incredible bullshit and it's almost never questioned. Plus if you say that someone is (insert a certain job here), you'll automatically feel something towards them and imagine them in a certain way. Doctors are a pretty good example, you'll automatically trust them in a certain environment, for example: a hospital.
reminds me of that story of the kid who was like 17 and pretended to be a gynecologist with fake paperwork and some lies. The biggest thing that stuck out to me from that story was that looking at the kids picture he was obviously still in high school, but he was "practicing" at a doctors office for like a month before he got caught.
"Dress the part, act the part, no one will suspect a thing"
I've called out a couple of doctors on BS, one of which admitted that they were guessing and the other doubled down and got pissed off that I dare question them.
People over rely on "experts", which is evident with the coof. It doesn't take an expert to read up on knowledge and use a little deduction, to figure most things out.
I've come to the conclusion that most Dr.s( especially medical and psychology)are dumb people with rich parents
@@LANCEtheBOIL Drs I agree a good few don't know shit, psychologists not so much in my experience they're working in positions pertaining to it because they love the profession. Especially those that study or have studied analytical psychology. Those guys will talk your fucking ear off if you let em. Some therapists are just there for the check though youre right about that
Man this video actually made reconsider my life long dream of becoming a psychiatrist… after doing more research on this subject it feels like my whole worlds been flipped upside down
@@stealth7545 who r u referencing
it's a mixed bag
CHRISTOPHER LEE, that's all I have to say Dank, hope you and the family are well mate
I mean, I can kind of relate with Postel's feelings towards psychiatry. I've been underdiagnosed, misdiagnosed and prescribed some pretty heavy medication multiple times over the years, and to this day I still don't feel like a single doctor even understood exactly what my problem is. I just wasted precious time and money, which only led to hopelessness. I quit the medication and gave up on finding treatment. I'm sure that there's one or two good mental health professionals out there, but that's a lottery.
Yes indeed. Been there done that and still doing it, or trying to. You are not alone. Here, try this and see if it works. If not, we’ll try something else. Or how about this combination. I once begged for Esketamine, but nope. Psychedelics I believe to be the future of help for some mental illnesses.
Too many stories of people wasting years of their lives taking the meds going to the appointments doing the programs but never get any better until they stop it altogether. Like me.
@@troyehering3849 ‘shrooms did more for me than all the meds combined
Oof you are exactly right.
@@H.P.Blavatsky and all that time and meds ain’t cheep.
Please do the Radioactive Boy Scout.
He's not an action hero, but the kid built a nuclear reactor in his backyard with help from colleges and smoke alarms.
Amazing Idea 😻😻😻
Great story, sad ending.
@@misdangered4326 Yea, I wish it would have ended with "Doctor Manhattan", or Dr. Banner"..... Oh well
@@michaelpipkin9942 Or…. Dr. Pepé? 🐸 😁
He may be a fake psychiatrist, but he makes an incredible psychologist and sociologist.
No hes a real psychiatrist since he was better at their job then them.There job is making up disorders with high brow vocabulary while prescribing toxical pharma chemicals. Thats it.
Being scared of yourself because a pseudo authoritative source told you, you were bad is the most German thing ever.
Lol
It's phenomenal how far spite can take you
can agree
Trust me, it lead me to kill a guy, with no regrets......
@@aaronbarrett5061 "Trust me, it lead me to kill a guy, with no regrets......"
Look out guys, we got a badass over here.
You’re the man dank! I just worked all day in the rain, pouring fucking rain and by the end my asshole was swimming. I get home peel off and see this!? Fuck yessss! Love ya man. I needed this bad. About to binge watch your videos til this one comes out ❤️ 💪
No, you're the man. Keep the head high pal, better things are on the way.
Thank you guys. I feel like there’s no other choice in life the way it’s been going. Just to work and work until life’s over 😅 can’t thank you guys enough for the replies ❤️
German here.
Dr. Dr. means you have two doctors, like a Dr. of medicine and a Dr. of psychology.
We also have Prof. Dr. as a title.
It's not that common, but it's not impossible either.
Psychiatry is complicated. I feel the biggest issue with it in the modern day is how it can be used by the unscrupulous as a means of alternative imprisonment. Damn 5150s.
That, & its use by advertisers, government, & basically anyone/anything w/a modicum of "authority" to hand, to mindfuck the rest of us half to death.
BLUFF: Put enough ranks in it, and you don't NEED combat skills.
Geese’ whole game plan
Sir Bearington personified
I would say this delegitimizes the entire field of psychiatry, but I don't think they need outsiders to do that...
It actually did not. Gert never told people random bullshit, dankula got that totaly wrong.
He read other peoples works after he reworded them.
Germany is notorious for plagiarism in its higher education system. People just don't see anything wrong with it. Gert probably put more work into faking being a doctor than the doctors did getting their degrees.
@@maxvarjagen9810 Sorry but that is just not true.
Germany is actually famous for the oposite. German universities take way more steps to find plagiarism than any other european (and we don't need to talk about the US, they barely do anything in comparison :D) country.
Germany is literally one of a hand full of countries that still insert old works into anti-plagiarism-softwares and still uncover plagiarism that has been commited decades ago. Other countries don't do that, which is why they find less plagiarism. Finding less does not mean there is less, thats why Germany is highly respected in the scientific community for that, while laymen just look at numbers and missinterpret this.
@@truckwarrior5944 They check harder because more people do it. Degrees carry more social currency over there than in English speaking countries, so there's more incentive to plagiarize. I've spoken to German college students. They were shockingly open about it. American college students still do it, but are much less likely to admit it. Americans are much more idealistic about college. Germans look at it like a work permit.
@@maxvarjagen9810 sorry those students lied to you.
Its extremely hard to do in Germany and even a hint that you are doing it is a bye bye wave to your future.
Every work is put into multiple anti-plagiarism-softwares, which the state pays for.
Just cause a few students say something that it contrary to the general consensus in the scientific community, does not make it true.
I literally worked at a university for some time doing nothing but checking works for plagiarism.
"I refuse to make amongus jokes in this video."
Thank you.
Pretty much the meme that goes:
"Source?"
"I made it up"
We definitely need a Bronson Mad lad video.
I thought he already did that one?
Charles or Action?
@@colonelflagg9669 both are deserving of the title imo.
@@colonelflagg9669 he's talkin about the pug
@@estebanperez2557 1000 percent agree
Two thumbs up my guy. For the algorithm. Gert exposed the fact that we really don’t know as much as the experts think we do about the human mind.
it’s perfectly true that psychiatry (while they do seem to alleviate suffering at times) is ..um..quite some way from being a robust science. It’s worth mentioning that the whole of medicine slightly fails on this score, but the medics are at least *trying* - quite hard - to use science. In psychiatry, there’s the problem of the shifting definitions of conditions, the frequent lack of a any objectively verifiable diagnostic tests, the humourous fact that the psichiatrists themselves are a bit 1 or 2 spokes short of a wheel and the fact that some patients get quite attached to their diagnosis (itself surely a mental health condition that could be studied)
Add to this the weird, obsessive culture surrounding “mental health” these days. Women absolutely love talking about it, and if they want to say they are mad, I won’t argue with them...but unfortunately with the gentle, immeasurably superior sex comes the dreaded F word: feminism, which destroys good science everywhere it goes
They vote on which diseases to add to the book of mental illness. It’s a scam
@@sirmount2636 and like so much of what happens today, an attack on good science and rigorous logic*
* Some people don't like logic, because it sometimes gets in the way of what they're trying to claim :)
@@SuperBartles Right!
@@Stevie-J I've got a really unfashionable opinion here, but I seriously worry about all the parents of boys, who (when the boys unsurprisingly behave in boyish ways) think their son *must* have ADHD...
The boy then gets given ritalin, which might calm him down temporarily, but God knows what other effects it has on children's lives..
@@SuperBartles thankfully with the help of my parents I managed to avoid being given ritalin as a child and have stayed drug-free long enough to discover according to The Science™️ that treating ADHD on a behavioral level is at least as effective as the prescription meth we knowingly feed to children.
the Dr Dr thing is actually pretty common in Germany. If people (especially older generations) have multiple doctorates then they are damn well going to use them and literally insist you use the correct number of Dr's as well. You sometimes also get Prof. Dr. Dr. .....
If anything the fact that he was only 23 and people thought he already had 2 doctorates is the weird bit haha
Sort of hints at the narcissistic self importance of the professional's that allowed a scam like this to be possible in the first place.
I have a new found respect for Gert... he “bugs bunnied” the police... 🐰
Suggestion for a Mad Lad - Anthony Poshepny AKA Tony Poe. Fought in World War II as a Marine and went on to become one of the most feared CIA officers of all time. Some theorized that he was the inspiration for Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now.
Absolutely brilliant. Showed the incompetence and hypocrisy and does it in style.
So. How about another Mad Lad that didn’t like psychiatry?
L. RON HUBBARD
Holy shit. There’s a few extra connections between these two figures.
The jackass who invented scientology. Battlefield Earth was a great book. I'm so conflicted on that guy.
I'm convinced that scientology is controlled opposition intended to make critics of modern mental health practises look like idiots so they can keep over-prescribing medication and practising quack sexual-behavioral science.
@@samaritan_sys That'd have legs if they had any real clout, Scientology is ridiculed by everyone who's taken even a cursory look into it. Definitely need a Hubbard Mad Lads though, the guy invented a religion and is worshipped as a kind of god all while writing science-fiction, I swear OT III's revelation about the nature of life is just a shitpost designed to troll anyone who spent enough to get that far.
@@theeccentrictripper3863 You're misunderstanding me. I'm saying that their ridiculous behavior is the point; they look and talk like loons, and so it makes it easy to write off more legitimate critiques of mental health practises by comparing those legitimate points to scientology.
This is like if I applied to be a astrophysicist or something at some observatory and started spouting off a bunch of Star Trek bs like graviton beams in their effect on time dilation and got the job
Yeah, if the story Dankula told was true.
The guy never made up nonesense. He literally just took works of other people (he especially liked to get his hands on unpublished work from people who would trust in him because of his position), rewrote the stuff and then read that out in very well paid lectures.
@@truckwarrior5944 Psycology is still horseshit, tho xD
I always appreciate the mad lads I've never heard of.
Guy was the biggest troll, showing that all these people had no clue about their own field.
It kinda reminds of the Norm Macdonald bit where a guy kills his family and puts them in a duffel bag for the devil, and when he brings it to the devil, the devil pulls of a mask and it’s the dudes friend, Bob
You translated "Doktorspiele" as "playing Doctor". Oh, you innocent soul. God bless you.
Haha isso 😂
Can you explain?
@@shenglong9818 After checking wikipedia, I have to admit that Kevin and I might have thought the phrase playing doctor has no s3xual innuendo. But it has. Even in English. The more you know.
@@shenglong9818"Doktorspiele" a better translation would be "doctor games" is a different way in german to say having the fun in the bed.
In Afrikaans it means Doctors d*ck so damn
Amazing how quickly Boris has gone from being beloved to despised. Bloody kneeler.
This is how I feel the world works. People with respect are afraid to loose it, and there is a huge web of lies erected on that.
It seems almost EVERY time I think to myself “a new mad lads video would be nice right now” I get a notification of one.
Bro same ❤️
Think again, I don't want to wait a week
Dankula's pride in discovering these Lads glows like an Aura
It’s just sad that he got most of the stuff here wrong.
I think that’s just his orange background
Marvin Heemeyer: How to make a statement physically. Gert Postel: How to make a statement mentally.