Dr. White destroyed his opponent with logic and an argument not based on sole emotion. Well executed as usual. I'm not even sure who runs this channel but I'd say I know that they don't accept defeat and want to misrepresent how this debate went down.
James White already lost the battle when he claim that he is a monotheism meaning he believe that their is only one God or Oneness of God he already contradict himself when he defend the Trinity doctrine that has been invented in the council of Nicaea in 326 CE 😂 were in the Father, The Son and Holy spirit were co equal god😂 and it was King Constantin (Pagan King according to most schoolars) influence the Council. It only means that it was not the native belief of early Christians. White can't pull out any single verse that would support his claim in trinity, word for word you can't find it in the Bible that 3 were co equal God but instead Christ and his apostle were firm and consistent in their teaching that their is only One True God wich is the Father and Jesus is a man.
@@donampalaya3988 Yet INCult adds to the bible claiming that FYM ravenous bird, not Cyrus. Most ridiculous garbage I ever heard. Your response here shows that you did not analyze the debate at all and are just blindly claiming that Ventilacion beat White in this debate.
@@bjrockhound9241 Cyrus doesn’t fit the “bird of prey”-Is.46:11 Bird of prey was assigned to preach “righteousness” of God-Isaiah46:12; or Gospel-Rom.1:16-17 Cyrus was assigned to restore Jerusalem from ruins-Is.44:28 Cyrus was the King of Persia-Ezra1:1, not a preacher.
@@ven6372 Wow, how brainwashed can you be? You are so wrong about your "interpretation". God was not calling for the counsel of another nor was He calling for anyone to counsel the Jews. God said "My counsel" meaning what He has commanded to Cyrus. God did not mean Cyrus nor did He mean any type of prophet to preach in Isaiah 46. God was not calling on a counselor. And Romans 1 is about Paul's mission to preach to the Gentiles. It's completely unrelated! Do you forget that INCult claims to not even be the Gentiles? And Cyrus doesn't fit the bird of prey? First of all, God called upon a LEADER which Cyrus was. Felix Manalo was never a leader. You want people to believe that within the verses of Isaiah 42-48 God is talking about Cyrus but then you want to try and squeeze in a prophet and that God did not mean Cyrus? What garbage. That would be the dumbest interpretation ever. I'm not even going to sit here and explain how Cyrus fits being the bird of prey. Just Google some articles. Really, this has to be the dumbest thing I have seen anyone say. You really need to pick up a bible and read it, not just vomit what you have been taught by a cult.
jesus is a fake god based on his own statement,the true god is only god the father. denying jesus own words? still so many words of jesus that the only one true god is only the father. james white used john 17:5 abt the glory of jesus blah blah blah,but who is the only one true god according to jesus testament? lol james white and lol to yourself
Do you know how many times you have to show a child how to tie his shoe. Just because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he's being taught wrong.. dr. White shows incredible patients to someone who just doesn't get it.
jesus is a fake god based on his own statement,the true god is only god the father. denying jesus own words? still so many words of jesus that the only one true god is only the father. james white used john 17:5 abt the glory of jesus blah blah blah,but who is the only one true god according to jesus testament? lol james white and lol to yourself
The most senseless clip I've ever watched was when Dr. White claimed to be a Monotheos but defended the Trinity. It's like having a contradictory personality, saying you're a Monotheos while preaching a doctrine about the Trinity." Those who claim to be Monotheos believe in the existence of a single God, and do not believe in the concept of three persons of God in the doctrine of the Trinity. The Monotheos belief is focused on the existence of a single God." "Dr. White is underrated in avoiding answering questions when he knows he is being cornered." "We can see how Dr. White pretends to remain calm even if he knows he is being cornered, just to show the crowd that he supposedly knows the answer, but in truth, it's not just to get attention and sympathy from those who don't understand."
Same thought here😂 I was laught when he was cross examined by Joe about White understanding the word "Only one" and he avoided to answer it and claim that he was Monotheism😂 who also believe for the Oneness of God. He always ran in Greek trying to impress the audience that he was more knowledgeable than his opponent but don't denied that the English translation was incorrect😂. He should denied first that English translation as incorrect before running to the original text.
Lol silly boy. Of course the losing side will say that. You have a different Christ and a different gospel. Repent and believe the I AM, the ancient of days, the LORD. Christ is no mere human being. He's the almighty.
Dr. James white failed to prove the veracity of the TRINITY doctrines because obviously even himself donot know the answer,as what catholic assert IT IS A MYSTERY THAT NO ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND JUST LIKE GRADE7 SCHOOLER...yan ang tinatawag na PALUSOT.COM
Notice how often INC changes translations for various verses. In one verse they use NASB, in another NKJV, then they try the NLT, and in even another they claim to use the Greek. The fact is that INC members don't actually read the Bible, they probably don't even own one. They cannot tell you the theme of Hebrews, nor what Hebrews 1 means, only what their select verses DON'T mean. They also cannot tell you what the Gospel is.
Except you don't make clarification by resorting to paraphrases like the NLT. The usage of these various versions shows intentional obfuscation on the part of the INC. They accept the NLT in one spot, while ignoring what it says elsewhere. But of course the typical INC member doesn't know this, they don't own Bibles nor read them for themselves. They cannot tell you what a passage actually means, only what they've been told it doesn't mean.
For your information, Every INC member could read the bible. We have our own Bible. In fact, We could bring it and ask the Church for clarification. Where did you got that gossip that we're not actually reading the Bible?
I only just heard of Iglesia ni Christo a short time ago. What I heard surprised me. It sounded very cultish. Watching the debate between James and Joe confirmed the sense of cultishness that I had felt upon hearing about how INC church leaders pester their congregants. Joe was astonishingly disrespectful toward James as well as profoundly out of his depth in terms of biblical scholarship. But this didn't seem to give him any pause. Joe just kept pounding away at a position that James didn't hold and revealing in the process how poorly he was thinking and handling Scripture. If anyone got "taken to the cleaners" it was Joe.
Mr jv came with assistants, mr jw came with no one else but the Holy Spirit. Though the inc came in droves they clearly lose this debate. Glory to God for giving mr white the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of His word. praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ to whom all blessings flow!
this Joe Ventilacion is a joke. James White answered all his questions clearly but Ventilacion obviously wanted to hear what he wanted to hear thats why he keeps asking a bunch of questions that would end up with his expected answer. notice that whenever White answers his questions plain and straight, he just follow through another dumb questions that would question yourself whether this Ventilacion is blind or ignorant to the truth.
Peter Griffin Wow, who is this Joe Ventilacion guy? He has absolutely no understanding of what trinitarians actually believe, understanding of the original language, or the art of how debate is supposed to be conducted. He appeals only to his audience and repeats nothing more than a script. It was rather hysterical and embarrassing on any serious debating level. Does INC really considers this man their "champion"? What a shame...
Benjamin Jacildo The doctrine if the trinity is apparent from the old and New Testament. As a matter of fact, it is most clearly defined between the incarnation and outpouring of the Holy Spirit. As Dr. White articulated, you are "assuming" that God is Unitarian, but do not read the Bible in its complete and entire context. Not to mention the original Greek language. Mr. Ventilacion did not have the opportunity to distort texts the way that he's done in previous debates. Sucks when you actually have to go up against someone who actually knows what they're talking about and can read the original language.
Benjamin Jacildo Dr. White utilized the original text which provides the words to "English Translations". Mr. Ventilacion brought many bibles but he could not interpret the Greek New Testament because he can't read Greek. I'm sorry, but the original language takes precedent over any English translation that is out there. Where is the Roman concept of the doctrine of the trinity? Lol, this is all pure speculation and cannot be substantiated by any facts.
Benjamin Jacildo When did I say that you need to know "Greek" to learn God's word? The point of mentioning the original text points out that those words in our bibles derived from somewhere. It's important to know where these words derived from, and to study the manuscript history and compare what each of them say. These original manuscripts are hence translated by those who speak and know the original language. That's the point which you are missing and, like your champion, taking out of context. I believe in tota scriptura along with sola scriptura, so best believe their is no question. Unlike you and Mr. Ventilacion, we actually read books in their entirety and understand verses in their appropriate context. Absolutely, as you are entitled to believe "your" own understanding as well. Not to be rude, but if your going to respond again, can you please provide some substance as opposed to just spouting opinion, after opinion?
Benjamin Jacildo It's amazing how you like to take my words and twist them, into your own understanding. You have no substance to your "argument" other than citing your own understanding of what you think the Bible says. Utilizing your understanding of what you believe the Bible says as opposed to proving how the Bible presents Unitarianism is circular reasoning at its best. However, neither you or Mr. Ventilacion correctly understand church history, debate structure, or the Greek language. Not to mention the lack of understanding in the trinity doctrine and taking verses out of their context to try to make your case. Dr. White pointed Mr. Ventilacions inconsistent arguments and misuses of the Bible many times throughout the debate. On any scholarly level, Dr. White completely refuted every point by referencing church history, citing the Greek New Testament, read verses in context, and abided by the rules of debate. It's a shame he couldn't represent INC's position accurately because the organization admitted that they do not provide their "declaration of faith" to outsiders. You can't cry foul if you are afraid to present your beliefs to your opponent. I would love to continue this battle of wits with you, but it's obvious that you are intellectually unarmed. God Bless!
Benjamin Jacildo You cannot describe God in mathematical view. Ofcourse 1+1+1 is not equal to "1" but I am not saying 1x1x1=1 otherwise. Divine nature that is God is shared by three distint persons not three distinct gods for the Godhead is one in essence which make every member of the trinity fully God. Just like you and I share the same essence of humanity but in person we are distinct yet we are both fully human. Essence is asked by the question what and person is asked by the question who. One essence in three persons. I hope you find this meaningful. If you understand the nature of God completely you can be God. What was revealed to us in the Bible you should not entrust fully to a man's perspective. Hold a bible for yourself and pray. The triunity of the members of the Godhead worked together in the creation, redemption and salvation of mankind. The word trinity itself is not in the Bible but the essence is there. Just like omniscience and omnipresence. Disbelief in the triunity of God does not make it go away but it clearly shows that no amount of evidence will convince you.
ventelacion won, James white uses poor defense and argumentation. but I still believe Jesus BELONG to the only true God. because the father is not the only one belong to the only true God.
@@mepuememes959 I cannot imagine how ignorant you are trying to Multiply the true God. The passage the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Spirit. Cannot ever be translated as multiplication . pen AND pencil = pen + pencil And = + 4 BY 4 = 4X4 BY = X You have to change the text to the Father, BY the Son, BY the Holy Spirit to advance your case that it should be multiplication. Go back to grade school.
In the rational real world outside of a cult White won the debate on consistency, context, grammar and knowledge. Whites behavior was rational, disciplined and mature and Ventilacion's behavior was rude, demonstrative and immature. In his after debate analysis White exposes the debate tactics of the cult and it only reinforces why and how he won. Those in the cult will disagree and if you understand how cult thought reform works you will understand why they disagree.
Yun malaki problem sa BIBLE INTERPRETATION NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO is kumukuha sila ng mga verses sa ibat-ibang book sa bible then tinatahi nila to support yun church doctrine nila and nakakaawa yun naniniwala kasi yun verses na ginagamit nila out of context or hindi yun yun topic or main idea ng book or chapter......yun ilang verses lang yun pilit nilang interpret and na disregard na yun ibang sinabi ng writer..... Para sa kaalaman ng lahat yun ORIGINAL NA BIBLE WALA NAMAN CHAPTER AND VERSE kaya babasahin mo sya ng buo para malaman mo yun buong context. Parang ganito yun ginagawa nila halimbawa sinabi ko (2 verses): "1Hindi masarap ang sinigang, 2 pag walang pang-paasim "... So gagawa ako ng doctrina using verse 1" Hindi masarap ang sinigang....dahil nasusulat hindi masarap ang sinigang.. wag tayo kakain ng sinigang...hangang maging... kasalanan ang kumain ng sinigang....TAPOS...wag kayo makikisama sa mga tao kumakain ng sinigang....Makasalanan sila. hahahahahahaaaa. Ganyan gumawa ng sarili mo doctrina.
Dr. white believes that the father is the only true God in john 17:3, and then believing that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit is the only true God does not make any sense,..He believes in two contradicting doctrine,..
Jesus said that " I and the Father are One. John10:30. So if The Father is the only true God and Jesus is one with the Father, then you can safely say that the Father and the Son are the only true GOD. The Holy Spirit is also One with GOD. It's after all God's Spirit. God bless!
I would like to first point out that Jesus never said that I and my Father are one God. Jesus says, "I and my Father are one." Notice the period (.) that comes after the word "one". Only those that believe that Jesus is God will conclude it means one God, but that is not what Jesus is saying. So how are Jesus and the Father one according to Jesus? If we read the verses prior to John 10:30, they are one in purpose holding on to the sheep. We can read that in John 10:27-30. It says there, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one." They being of the same united purpose does not make them the same being or mean that they are one God. In fact Jesus even made clear that the Father is greater than himself, proving that he beneath the Father. Since the Father is greater than all, what does Jesus teach regarding the Father? Jesus makes clear that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD. We can read this in his prayer to the Father in John 17:3, "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God..." Therefore according to Jesus, there is no other true God besides the Father. Would being one with the Father also make that person God too? The answer is NO because Jesus already specified that the Father is the ONLY true God. In fact Jesus prays that he not be the only one that is "one" with the Father but also the sheep that they are holding on to also be one with them. We can read this in John 17:9-10. It is written, “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me,... Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are." Therefore, if being one with the Father would mean that that person is also God, than that would mean all of the sheep of Jesus (true Christians) would also be gods, which is not the case.
There's only one problem with your explanation. You need to read the entire text and the chapters in order for you to understand what Jesus meant by that. Besides, I'm using KJV and there's a bit of a catch in John 17:3 it says here in KJV "And this life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou sent." and as the prayer follows, you can already see who Christ is in verse 5 onwards. On verse 11, Jesus emphasized unity with the Father up to verses 22. The next verses that followed (verses 23-26) you can see that it basically your last statement regarding the believers in unity with God because of faith in Jesus Christ; that doesn't mean that we are also gods, because that's just a plain misconception to assume. We are sinners, and what was the purpose of Christ that he came into this world to save us? If you know John 3:16 you would understand it well, and you already said it that Jesus came to this world to save the sheep which means us. Your questions are blurred because you do not seek the answers by context. Don't underestimate the authority of the Bible because you cannot turn the words against itself for the Word itself came from God. Read it by context, not by parts.
I just answered the question about the phrase " I and the Father are One". John 10:30 ,you see that if you read this and use your own understanding you may fall in a wrong conclusion that doesn't sure that's the true essence or meaning of that phrase, that's why i explained that, you must read the first verse prior to that verse so you can see what is meant to be when that phrase has been said. You know the bible is not an ordinary book that when you open it and you read it from start to finish, that you will understand it. That is not the proper way to understand it, the bible mentioned that you must compare spirit by spirit, and its like you compare one verse to another verse and also you will understand what its meant in another verse of the bible. You know in reading a bible never ever make your own opinion or conclusion on what you have read in a bible, you know that's what contradiction came in when one person read a verse and give his own opinion and then there is another person who read that same verse and then give a different opinion about the verse and so contradiction came in.The bible never contradict itself but the people who read it and give their own opinion that makes the contradiction.For example in John 10:30, when someone read the phrase "I and the Father are One" They use their brain and think and give their own opinion and assume that they are One in nature but that's is not what its meant because it will contradict the verse from John 17:3 that Jesus said " that's the Father is the Only True God" so compare it verse to another verse so it cannot be that they are One in nature so read the verse prior to that verse and you will see that its not the nature that's been talking about when it mentioned that "I and the Father are one". In our church the Minister always ask a question about the verse that he read and then compare it to another verse or get the answers from the other verse and he never ever gave his own opinion and assumption or conclusion, the bible alone will answers all the question about that verse.for example in the book of Genesis there is a scenario when the snake trick the first Humans Eve and Adam.if you ask a question who is that snake? and then you read the next verse to the next verse and then the next book to the next book, because that's how you read it right so you will take time to get your answer because the answer to that question was in the last book of the bible in Revelation that it mentioned that the snake is the Satan or the devil who trick the first Humans. So you know in explaining or answering the verse you must compare it to another verse so that you will see the answer and there is no contradiction. if you want to know more about the truth in the bible please check this website www.incmedia.org . thanks
Jhayr Datus I have to disagree with you on the notion that because Jesus did not specify that He and the Father are one "God" disprove that He isn't God. Like Chronos Demitri mentioned, you can't cut the Gospels to pieces to make it mean what you want it to. First I would like to point that After Jesus stated that He and the Father are one, The following verse mentioned that the Jews wanted to stone Him. Why? For blasphemy. 33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” The Jew themselves disagreed with your notion of purpose. They understood quite well what Jesus implied. Furthermore, when the High priest asked Jesus: _ “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven. At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses? 64You have heard the *blasphemy*. What is your verdict?” And they all condemned Him as deserving of death. (Mark 14:61-63)”_ Therefore, when Jesus mentioned that He was the Son of the Blessed One combine with Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven, they (the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin) called it blasphemy. The only reason why they will call it as such is because Jesus is claiming to be God along with the Father. Also in John 10:27-30. "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life..." I think you also missed that sentence When Jesus said that He gave then eternal life, but Only God can give life. _"Job 33:4 "The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty *gives me life*."_ Nehemiah 9:6 "You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them *You give life to all of them* And the heavenly host bows down before You." God bless!
This is very interesting, the full debate is about three and half hours long. Dr White repeats it time and time again that a person's view must be well represented before "taking them on". Dr White was being forced to answer the "question" in a Unitarian view. That really drives no where. From a neutral perspective, I don't think Dr White was "whitewashed" in any way.
Only those who doesn’t know anything about the Bible say James White won. *If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what Jesus said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-John17:1,3
Christ slain and died. How can He be God? The true God never dies for He is immortal. (Acts 2:23 NLT; John 19:30, 33 & I Timothy 1:17 NKJV). Christ was resurrected but He did not raise Himself up. God is the One Who raised Christ. (Acts 2:23-24 NKJV) These are just some of the proofs that Christ is not God. He is different from the only true God, the Father. Remember Christ DIED while the true God will NEVER die.
I watched this whole debate in FULL 3 times and all I can say is how humiliating it was for Dr. White... Bro. Ventilacion took Dr. White to school and ripped him apart in every stance. Anyone who cant admit or see this, is either blind or delusional or simply suffers from DENIALISM and wants to hang on to their false beliefs out of emotional attachment and not base their beliefs on concrete biblical truth and above all does not understand Greek and Hebrew grammar and syntax. This debate was absolutely HUMILIATING for Dr. White. Sorry if the truth hurts but this is the actual truth and FACTS. ;-)
grilled? Joe Ventilacion's questions are actually irrelevant to the heart of the debate...he keeps on repeating questions that are not connected to every single argument. it just so happen that certainly the majority of the audience are INC which mr. ventilacion is trying to use as shield to get away from the point of argument...
Willy Sao-an context of that verse? Read it again with an open eyes and mind. Jesus said "That may know you the only true God" the father not himself is the God the father.
well said Willy. you could actually see and feel in the whole debate that his defense mechanism is acting up because clearly Joe does not have any idea on what White was trying to talk about . Ventilacion would often look and smile at his audience or to the guy behind him whenever he is asked by James White or whenever he fails to understand the topic , clearly Joe Ventilacion does not understand the doctrine of the Trinity.
Peter Griffin ,, Bro. Joe will NEVER do wat you try to point out , because ,he never believes in the so called Trinity. because our FIRM/CERTAIN,SURE /PERFECT DOCTRINES AND BELIEFS is that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. ONLY ONE ,.not two,not three, not many.
Ventilacion keep saying John 17:3 - And this is eternal, that they may know you the only true God. And he stop right there because that is his point to show that the father is the only true God, and he believed that it is finish, but it is not finish yet because there is the conjunction word AND , "And Jesus Christ whom you send." So to bro Ventilacion it is the only the father who is the True God but the whole verse is clearly saying it is the Father and Jesus Christ who is the true God. That shows my point that Ventilacion is pick picking the verse and ignoring Jesus Christ.
The verse pertains to our salvation which is the eternal life, to believed in the Father "AND" Jesus Christ whom he had sent. It never stated in the verse that Jesus Christ was just a man specially the word that was used which is the word sent and not created (man are created being and has no pre-existing life in heaven before he was created). This only proved Jesus was a pre-existing being who reside from heaven and was incarnated or send in order to enter the physical realm to become a man. Which satisfy the biblical word "The WORD was God and the WORD become flesh. And it also satisfy the very word that Jesus have spoken on John 8:23 - Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”… This is why you will die in your sin if you believed Jesus was from below like any man which you perfectly believed.
Wrong it is you who must do, reread and rethink your belief, it was you who is going against what the scripture has written. First the belief of the WORD which is LOGOS in Greek and MEMRA in the Aramaic translation of the TaNaKh. There are two Philosophy where this idea came from, The philosophy of man came from Philo of Alexandria which stated that the WORD was a created being a demi-God which was taken by Lineous, who is a teacher of Arius but they're belief was has been change instead they turn the Logos into a mere expression of God, a mere wisdom, That is not the very Philosophy of Heaven where John had taken this Idea from. John's belief of the MEMRA came from the Aramaic translation of the Torah which is widely being read during the Babylonian captivity into the first century time which is being read in the synagogue during the Apostles time and this is called TARGUM. And this is where John had taken the very idea of the MEMRA. According to the Targums, which were at one time accepted as sacred Jewish beliefs, God's word is an entity; actually God himself. The Memra' is to be worshipped, served, obeyed, spoken to, and prayed to, as God. The Jewish apostle John (who's Hebrew name was Johanan), no doubt schooled in the Targums several years before he met Y'shua, opened his gospel with these words: ● John 1:1-3…In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (NIV) Modern Judaism accuses Johanan of borrowing his ideology from Greek philosophy. However, John 1:1-3 was a very Jewish belief back in Johanan's day, and nothing said in that verse would have raised a single objection from any of his peers and contemporaries because that passage reflects 100% Targum teachings that were commonly dispensed in the synagogues of his day. Jesus never claim to be God? Wrong again, Jesus died in the cross for the charged of blasphemy Matthew 26:63 - So the high priest stood up and asked Him, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?” But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.” (I AM)“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”… Surely Jesus claimed himself to be the Son of the living God, A God who will be seated in the very right hand of God. John 10:32 - At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. But Jesus answered, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” (The scripture clearly shows Jesus was claiming to be GOD, Yes you are right that he came down on Earth as a man in order to fulfill the prophesy of Isaiah 53, to be a sacrificial lamb for God, he has to be a man, without sin, unblemished and a perfect sacrifice for our sin and no man can do that except for God because God is our Savior and our redeemer. All man have sinned to God except the Son of the living God and this is the reason why God has to be in our midst to saved us. Man is not our savior and not our redeemer which you believed, it was God himself who is our Savior and our redeemer. This is the reason why Jesus said "You will die in your sin if you believed that he is just a man from below and from this world, you must accept him as a God, our Savior and our redeemer.) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
If you know what the trinity is, you know how poorly Joe Ventilacion did in this debate. Joe obviously doesn't understand what Christians believe about the trinity.
He's just repeating himself about the words "the only true God" but not making much of an argument. But speaking from the context of the 2nd Person of The Trinity, it makes perfect harmony of The Lord's Words. Believe in The True Christ and live.
Congrats DR. James White. I've watched the original video and that clearly shows me who really won the debate. A disgrace to the owner of this video and just cut portions of the video. What a shame.
I mean... It's INC propoganda. Of course they would cut and choose the parts that supplement the adgenda that the Administration and the organization want to push. When I watched the full debate I was actually getting mentally dizzy from Joe V going in circles fishing for the answer he wants to hear; and not the one that's correct based on Biblicsl context. Just as Dr.Whire prefaced in the beginning of the debate. It was 3 hours of going in circles that was open and closed in Dr.Whites opening statement.
lol, lol...you're joking right?? Dr. James White utterly DESTROYED THIS MAN like stepping on a bug... I think Joe was so upset with himself because he was getting destroyed that he allowed his anger to get the better of him. Plain n simple Dr James White gave this man a A** WOOPIN!!!
INC is unethical for producing added videos with their own comments. The audience should be able to listen to the entire debate without having to listen to added edits and comments after the debate is over. I dislike the amount of argument that INC seems to be infusing into the debate. All ethical debates should be held in a Christ like spirit of Christian love rather than a spirit of strife and argument.
OFFtheRACE No... he answered the questions multiple times. Not Dr. White’s fault Mr. Ventilacion refused/misunderstood the answer, misrepresented Dr. White’s position, cherry-picked verses without allowing full context, and continuously made rude remarks during the cross examination. His resort to bully/appeal to his audience base tactics displays his own self destruction during the debate.
The typical debating tactic is to be politically correct. In this debate Mr. White completely denies the phrase ONLY GOD and argues that Jesus pre-existed and created heavens and earth together. How can Christ be equal to God...
Simple...jesus is speaking to another person in so many verses. And then you will say that he is part of that person he talking with? This is common sense. Trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.
Excuse me Joe ventalacion I am voluntarily teach you Greek grammar as well English ..you present the Bible without the proper exegesis..im so sorry mr.joe you look very amateur and non-sense debater of inc ,,I did not learned from you
Leo lansang, yabang mo vovo. Grammar mo nga mali mali may gana ka pang turuan c Mr Ventilacion? Mar aral ka muna wag puro rugby sinisinghot mo. High ka na naman idiot.
@@geomad8964 ganyan ba ugali ng nasa true church.. may galit sa puso at nagsasabi idiot ang isang tao. Hope INC members follow their doctrine Concerning good manners and reapect.
Nakuha pa kc niya magyabang eh nakakatawa naman talaga english niya...hoy magtagalog ka nalang wag kana magpilit TRYING HARD! may paexeges exeges kapa nalalaman jan sungalngalin ko ngalangala mo bka gumaling ka pa mag hebrew
An important doctrinal role in the tradition of our dogma must be assigned to St. Irenaeus of Lyons (born about 140). He was a disciple of St. Polycarp of Smyrna (d. 155), who had received the faith from St. John, the Apostle. St. Irenseus emphasizes the fact that Christ is truly the Son of God, and consequently true God. " No one else, therefore" he writes, .." is called God or Lord, except He who is the God and Lord of all [i. e., the Father] . . . and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord."
Mr. White did'nt notice giving and repeating a good answer favor to Mr. Joe in john 1:1b that it is the FATHER THATS WHY Mr. Joe keep repeating the question then mr. White try to break his answer which pointing to the father alone. He did'nt notice that john 1:1b i unbreakable that it is pointing to father alone so he's trying to break it saying IM NOT UNITARIAN but the verse clearly say's as he support with his answer it's to father alone. and we already know the father is different to the son in john 10:39 mr. White can't scape to the truth which he tries to break just to show he's personal knowledge about he's own conclusions
he gives a good answer because he is in true, joe keep asking question that no one christian on earth cannot answer that question,is obvious, ..that's why Mr. white laugh ,. me either, mr white answer that so fast because is commons sense , and giving that answer is not to support joe stand ,.. is just in scripture,. and every one knows that, JESUS teaching about the ONLY TRUE GOD is 100% true,. and white knows it,.. all christian knows it,. but one thing you dont know when GOD called his son A GOD. OH GOD!!! that saying IM NOT UNITARIAN is right answer,.. because he is trinitarian,.. JESUS TEACH US THE FATHER< AND THE FATHER TEACH US THE SON
It's hard to reason with INC because their mind is set on what they believe is the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:11- And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions, that they should believe a lie. This passage from the bible is very true in INC. They are solidify in their man made teachings that nobody cannot break that bond it slaps them in the face. As Dr. White said only from the bible and all from the bible. SOLA SCRIPTURA, TOTA SCRIPTURA.
you are not the body of christ because you don't who Jesus is. You have a counterfeit Jesus and that is very scary. You have to search the truth and not focused on what your man made teaching organization told you.
On every James White debate about anything whatsoever when he seems to be cornered it's always about ... The Context, The Greek, The Grammar, The Hebrew, The Founding Fathers, etc etc.It seems to be his usual escape route /trick, which he uses in all his debates, & he generally never proves his points but usually takes his escape route by boasting that he is the only one qualified & learned enough. Mr James White has a lot of debating to do if he will meet God & Jesus the Son of God.
@ً Yes. When did the prophets and the apostles teach people that God has 3 persons? Even Jesus Christ taught that we should know that the Father is the only true God so we may have the eternal life.
@@thelaralass5586 .pakinggan mo mga paliwanag at sagot ng INC. Tinatakpan mo tenga mo pag INC nagsasalita eh. Puro concluesion nlng si james. Eh hhhahahaha naggalit n si james si ipit n ipit na. Style nya yung galit pra magulo yung crosexam nya
I listened from start to finish this debate and INC Ventilacion was not able to comprehend his stand! He is not able to present his questions very clearly, was not able to clearly discribes his faith!!!! Its very clear that Ventilacion was the one who is not knowledgeable!!!! God the Father God the son Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit are one!!!!
More dislikes then likes. I’m LDS the audience wasn’t fooled by the click bait of this edited clip. Every non-biased listener knows that Dr White won. As someone who does not subscribe to either religious denomination and without prejudice, Dr White made many better arguments. Jose just yelled out random verses which he didn’t properly comprehend
as a christian myself i was shocked to see Joe presentation reflects hatred, dis-respectful, arrogant and far beyond from Jesus teaching and approach. the bible convinced me Jesus should be placed at the level as god- i pray my Christian brothers & sisters to open up the bible and examine by yourself, if trinity is not true- what Jesus did on earth was pointless.
I was intrigued but then again I have watched the full debate.... joe back out when dr white asked to dig into the greek manuscript for better understanding... throwing some lame excuses....
@@Mheet bka nakatulog ka taz naglalaway pa kaya hindi mo napanood ng buo or baka nananaginip ka lang...MAG UPLOAD NGA KAYO NG KAHIT ISANG VIDEO NA NAKIPAGDEBATE ANG ISANG PILIPINO SA MGA BANYAGA...i'll be glad if you can show me one
@@leumasnugas6222 It doesnt mean na nakipagdebate ang isang pilipino sa isang banyaga ay automatically panalo na siya, fallacious argument mate. It doesnt matter. The fact that he stood for the debate will inevitably and implicitly say that he is ready to debate.
@@Grace-om8qx .talaga?? Pagkakaintindi mo sa ONLY??? Iyak n iyak si james eh puro concluesion nlng james. Pinapaliwanag ni james ang mga talata n ayon lng s gusto nyang unawa. Kaya nakakaawa mga naniniwala sa trinity nagagalit si james kasi alam nmn nya yung ONLY ayaw nya sabihin. Logos bigla nya binago sinabi nya. Hhha
Sa mga nabanggit na talata ay maliwanag po na ang ANAK ay nanggaling sa AMA. Isinugo ng AMA kung kaya bumaba sa langit ang ANAK upang ganapin ang kalooban ng AMA. Maliwanag at tukoy na natin na ang ANAK na siyang SALITA ay sumasa DIOS. (Juan1:1 at Rev 19:13) Ang ANAK ang lubusang nagpakilala at nagpahayag tungkol sa AMA. Sino pa nga ba ang higit na makapagpapahayag at makapagpapakilala ng buo, ganap, kumpleto at lubusan patungkol sa AMA kung hindi yung nanggaling, nagmula, nakakita, kapiling at nasa sinapupunan AMA? Walang sinumang tao, propeta, sugo, santo o maging apostol na makakapangahas at mag-aangkin ng mga nabanggit liban sa ANAK na isinugo at nanaog sa langit upang gawin ang kalooban ng AMA kaya naging tao at nakipamuhay sa piling natin (Juan 1:14) Ang ANAK lamang ang tangi at bukod na nakakakilala sa AMA: Joh_7:29 “Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin.” Joh_17:25 “Oh Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita; at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; “ Mateo 11:27 “Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak.” Kung sa lumang tipan ang nagpapahayag ng patungkol sa AMA ay ang mga propeta, alalahanin po natin na ang mga propeta na ito ay mga tao at walang sinuman ang magsasabing lubusang kilala nila ang AMA dahil nga po sa di sila nanggaling, nagmula, nakakita at kapling ng AMA. Tangi po lamang ang ANAK ang lubusang nagpakilala sa AMA. Kaya po pansin natin sa mga sulat sa matandang tipan ay binibigyan diin ng mga propeta ang AMA bagamat banaag na nila ang tungkol sa ANAK sa pamamagitan ng mga hula. Dahil sa mga dios-diosang sinasamba ng mga pagano, buong giting na ipinapahayag nila ang tungkol sa iisang AMANG Dios. Kaya naman pag babanggit ng talata sa lumang tipan ang mga ministro ng INC patungkol sa iisang DIOS natural ang pinatutungkulang ng mga sumulat ay ang AMA. Ngunit pagdating ng takdang panahon sa bagong tipan ano po yung bagong kapahayagan tungkol sa AMA? Nalaman natin na ang AMA pala ay mayroon ANAK. Ang ANAK na ito mismo, hindi na mga propeta ang nagsalita ng kapahayagan ng AMA. (Hebreo 1:1-2) At ang ANAK na ito ay nanggaling, nagmula, nakakita at kapiling ng AMA. Ang ANAK na itoy isinugo ng AMA at nanaog sa langit ng upang gawin ang kalooban ng AMA: Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit, hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo sa akin. Ano po yung kalooban ng AMA bakit isinugo yung ANAK? (Joh_3:17) “Sapagka't hindi sinugo ng Dios ang Anak sa sanglibutan upang hatulan ang sanglibutan; kundi upang ang sanglibutan ay maligtas sa pamamagitan niya.” Kalooban ng AMA na tayoy maligtas. Bakit po? Dahil sa PAG-iBIG niya sa atin. Ito po yung mabuting balita at ebanghelyo na ipinangaral ng mga Apostol tungkol sa PAGIBIG ng AMA sa atin: (1Jn_4:10) “Narito ang pagibig, hindi sa tayo'y umibig sa Dios, kundi siya ang umibig sa atin, at sinugo ang kaniyang Anak na pangpalubagloob sa ating mga kasalanan.” Kaya naman ng bumaba sa mga Apostol ang ESPIRITU ng PAG-IBIG, ito ang nag-udyok at nagsilbi nilang lakas upang ipangaral ang ebanghelyo hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo. Ngayon ikumpara po natin yung ebanghelyo na dala ng INC. Ang ANAK ayon sa kanila ay plano, panukala o banaag ng kaisipan buhat sa AMA tulad ng banggit sa 1 Pedro 1:20 Ayon po sa kanila walang kapiling na ANAK ang AMA, ang ibinigay ng AMA sa atin ay yung katuparan ng kanyang plano. Kung ganuon po masasabi po ba nating totoong PAG-IBIG ito? Kung ang tao nga kayang ibigay para isakripisyo yung kanyang anak sa katauhan ni Abraham at anak na si Isaac, bakit ang AMA walang kayang ibigay kundi yaong kanyang plano lamang? Mas higit pa ba ang pag-ibig ng tao kaysa pag-ibig ng AMA? Ito po ba ang mabuting balita o ang ebanghelyo na tinatanggap at sinasampalatayanan ng INC? Ngunit alam po natin ang tunay na ebanghelyo at salamat sa pag-ibig ng AMA: (Joh 3:16) “Sapagka't gayon na lamang ang pagsinta ng Dios sa sanglibutan, na ibinigay niya ang kaniyang bugtong na Anak…” Sa kabila po ng lahat ng ito hindi po kaya nadaya sila ng diablo na sinungaling na buhat pa sa simula dahil maling ebanghelyo at hindi ang PAG-IBIG ng AMA ang kanilang ipinangangaral, kundi nakasentro sa kanilang Iglesia dahil ito daw po ay banal? Bakit po ba nabanal ang iglesia? Hindi bat dahil sa ANAK kaya banal nating masasabi ang Iglesia? Puro sila Iglesia. Iglesia, Iglesia nguit wala naman silang Kristo, Kristo at Kristo. Bakit ko po ito nasabi? Dahil po sa pagtanggi at pagkakaila nila sa ANAK na siyang Kristo. Sa pagtanggi nila sa ANAK maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang babala ni Juan patungkol sa kanila: (1Jn 2:23) “Ang sinomang tumatanggi sa Anak, ay hindi sumasa kaniya ang Ama: ang nagpapahayag sa Anak ay sumasa kaniya naman ang Ama. “ Bakit po ayaw nilang kilalanin ang ANAK? Dahil natatakot sila at di nila maamin na ang ANAK ng AMA ay tunay na Dios gaya ng AMANG DIOS. Sabi po kasi nila malalabag daw yung sinabi ng ANAK patungkol sa AMA sa Juan 17:3 tunggkol sa nag-iisang tunay na DIOS. Pansinin po natin na sa pagpapakilala ng ANAK sa AMA sa talata sa Juan 17:3 kaakibat nuon ang pagkilala rin natin sa ANAK. Hindi po natin mapaghihiwalay ang ANAK sa AMA at ang AMA sa ANAK. Dahil po ang relasyon at ng ugnayan ng AMA sa ANAK ay umiiral na duon sa sinapupunan ng AMA. (Jn 1:14) Bakit binibigyan diin ko po yung sinapupunan? Nais po ng AMA na magkaroon ng mata ng pananampalataya ang ating mga kababayang INC upang makaunawa at maliwanagan ang kanilang mga puso ng ESPIRITU ng PAG-IBIG at sa gayon ay maipahayag ng kanilang mga labi ang ANAK sa ikaluluwalhati ng AMA. Sa sinapupunan lalo pong nailalarawan ang kaigtingan ng relasyon at ng pag-ibig ng AMA sa ANAK at ng ANAK sa AMA. Lahat po tayo bilang mga anak ay nanggaling sa sinapupunan, liban na lamang kay Adan na mula sa alabok at kay Eba na mula sa tadyang ni Adan. Sa mga mag-asawa kelan po sila naging magulang o kailan sila tinawag na ama o ina? Tinawag silang ama o ina nang magkaroon at malaman nilang may anak sila na nasa sinapupunan. Sa sinapupunan pala nagsisimula o ang genesis ng relasyong o ugnayan ng magulang sa anak o anak sa magulang. Kaya pala tinawag na walang hanggang AMA dahil mayroon Siyang walang hanggang ANAK sa Kanyang sinapupunan. Di ba po sa panahon na naglihi ang ina nanduon na iyong pag-aalaga niya at pagmamahal sa anak na nasa kayang sinapupunan? Kinakausap niya ang anak ng buong giliw at hinahaplos ang kanyang sinapupunan ng buong pagmamahal. At nalalaman natin na tumutugon yuong anak sa pag-ibig ng ina sa pamamagitan ng paglukso nito sa sinapupunan habang itoy hinahaplos. Maari po nating masabi na yung anak na nasa sinapupunan ay kasangkap ng kanyang ina. Di ba po sinasabi natin sa ina patungkol sa anak ay dugo ng kanyang dugo at laman ng kanyang laman? Maari nating masabi na taglay ng anak ang kalikasan ng ina at nababalot ang anak ng buong pagkatao ng ina sa sinapupunan. Bagamat tinutukoy natin ay dalawang persona ang ina at anak, sila ay hindi mapaghihiwalay dahil pinagbubuklod sila ng PAG-IBIG. Kung ang ina ay puspos ng pag-ibig sa anak, kailanman ay hindi natin mapaghihiwalay ang ina sa anak o anak sa ina. Mayroon po bang nagmamahal na ina na papayag na maihiwalay ang anak sa kanyang sinapupunan? Kung ang mga nabanggit na halimbawa ay posible at totoo sa tao, imposible po ba kaya ito sa DIOS? Ano po ang sabi ANAK: (Mateo 19:26) “… Hindi mangyayari ito sa mga tao; datapuwa't sa Dios ang lahat ng mga bagay ay mangyayari. “ Sa nabanggit na halimbawa patungkol sa ANAK na nasa sinapupunan ng AMA, nagkakaroon tayo ng pananaw, namamalas at nababanaag natin ang PAG-IBIG ng AMA. At nagiging buo, nakukumpleto ang pagkakaalam natin sa pag-ibig ng AMA at tunay na maitutulad natin sa pag-ibig ng MAGULANG (ama at ina). (CCC 239)
some people, just admire the blue eyes pastors thinking that they are more intelligent than filipino preachers of the true Church Of Christ. A minister inspired by God cannot be defeated.
Peter Griffin. you are obviously a biased listener. Mr. Ventilacion was just asking Dr. White if the word ONLY, have another person. Dr. White is obviously do not want to answer directly the question. Is he really knowledgeable about the Bible. I'm a Protestant but I can say right now, that the doctrine of my Church is wrong. I might consider consider the doctrine of INC which I think is RIGHT.
First off, everyone is going to have their bias. Let’s not pretend as if you’re an unbiased observer of the debate. A more reasonable way to watch a debate is to examine consistency in argumentation; regardless of your presuppositions. Mr. Ventilacion repeatedly asked questions of a straw-man pertaining to John 17:3. He posed the question as if Dr. White believes in multiple Gods and assumes Unitarianism. Dr. White repeatedly answered that when Jesus was referring to the “Father” (in John 17:3) as the only true God. How many times did he need to affirm this? He then went on to read more of the context of John, especially into John 17:5; where Jesus says; “and now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”. Mr. Ventilacion then indicates that’s not his question, and that he will not allow James White to read literally the next sentence that argues for Jesus’s pre-existence. Funny, how Mr. Ventilacion totally ignores the entirety of the context in John, and only wants to single out one verse as if that proves a point. Talk about dishonesty....
You clearly didn't watched the original video. Don't title yourself a Protestant if you don't believe in the deity of Christ. You are misrepresenting us.
One of the most beautiful professions of faith in the Divinity of Christ that has come down to us from the early days is contained in the Letter to Diognetus, which on internal evidence is commonly ascribed to the era of the persecutions. The author of this Letter devotes an entire chapter (the seventh) to Christ as "the Logos sent upon this earth by the invisible Creator" and who is " no angel"; but the "Creator of the Universe" Him self.
1 John 5:20 also states that Jesus is "the only true God." This proves that Jesus is God the Father manifested in the flesh as a man (1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 2:14-17).
our lord Jesus Christ explains that God is spirit and therefore has no material being or person because spirit has no flesh and bones. trinitarians keep on mumbling that there are 3 person in one god how that can be? if you ask the inventor of the concept of trinity the catholic church or the pope he cannot even give you a concrete answer, they will give confusing answer "mystery" because trinitarians are the false prophets that will be teaching another jesus.
Kaso nagtatago si Eli Soriano sa Brazil. Wanted siya sa Pilipinas dahil sa kasong Rape. HARAPIN niya ang kaso niya muna. Noong 2005 nagset ng pre debate conference sa Paranaque kaso hindi SUMIPOT mga ADD. Gusto mo proof?
@@huelabling6644 saken lang dina oobra si soriano kay ka joe pa...magaling ba yun? Yung tumakas nga marcos hindi na niya ang isasagot niya...saka wala yan alam sa bibliya mga aral niya puro kopya pinaghalohalo niya lang wala naman siya original ....copycat
Update: Joe Ventilacion died of COVID-19, two months ago as Iglesia ni Manalo flouted the Philippine government quarantine rule and continued its church services even during the pandemic. Worse, the New Era General Hospital, which is owned by the Iglesia ni Manalo, did not provide him a ventilator as his chance of survival was very slim.
1. Did Jesus ever said, oh, I am the “the Mighty God? “ No. Never. 2. Why doesn’t Jesus admins that he is the Almighty God? Because he is NOT? 2. when Jesus asked his followers, who do you said that I am? I think the answer is very clear.... There is Only One True God. Either Father or the son? Unity is put 2 individual things together, yet, they are two individuals beings. Hmm...
@@neo8840 1. The Word "Bible" is never mentioned in scripture. Does that make the Bible false? No. Just because something isn't stated explicitly, does not make it false. The word "Bible" is nowhere found in scripture. Yet you know that the Bible is the word of GOD. However, Jesus did explicitly use GOD's name for Himself when HE stated: "Before Abraham was, I AM." Notice how the people wanted to stone HIM as soon as He made that statement. GOD bless!
@@neo8840 Sorry Daniel, I thought I was replying to Julia Simmer's comment. I just realize my mistake. My apologies. Of course I believe that Jesus is GOD.
JUAN 1:18 “Walang taong nakakita kailan man sa Dios; ang bugtong na Anak, na nasa sinapupunan ng Ama, siya ang nagpakilala sa kanya.” Paano po ipinaliwanag ng INC ang nasa itaas na talata? Ganito po ang sabi nila: “Mayroon po kaming nais ipapansin sa inyo, dito po ba sa talatang ito ay mababasa natin na nakita ni Cristo ang Diyos? Wala po tayong mababasang ganun, hindi po ba? Maaari din po natin silang hamunin na magpakita ng ibang talata na mababasa natin na nakita ni Cristo ang Diyos, at natitiyak namin na wala silang maipapakita sa inyo. Dahil kahit sa buong Biblia wala tayong mababasa na nakita ni Jesus ang Diyos. Bakit? Colosas 1:15 “Na siya ang larawan ng DIOS NA DI NAKIKITA, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang;” Ang Diyos po ay hindi nakikita, kaya imposible na makita siya kahit ni Cristo.Kasama siya sa mga taong hindi nakakita sa Diyos. Sa kanilang pahayag sa itaas lumalabas na di sila sumasampalataya na ang Cristo ay ang bugtong na ANAK ng AMA. Gusto po kasi nila mabasa na letra por letra na nakasaad sa talata na si CRISTO na tao ay nakita ang AMA. Sino po ang niloloko nila? Ngayon sa hamon po nila na magpakita pa ng ibang talata na mababasa na nakita ng ANAK ang AMA eto po yun: Joh 3:11 “Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Ang nalalaman namin ay sinasalita namin, at ang aming nakita ay pinatototohanan namin; at hindi ninyo tinanggap ang aming patotoo.” Joh 3:12 “Kung sinabi ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa lupa at hindi ninyo pinaniniwalaan, paanong paniniwalaan ninyo kung sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa langit? “ Joh 3:32 At kaniyang nakita at narinig, ay siyang pinatototohanan niya; at walang taong tumatanggap ng kaniyang patotoo. Joh_5:19 “Sumagot nga si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila, Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Hindi makagagawa ang Anak ng anoman sa kaniyang sarili kundi ang makita niyang gawin ng Ama; sapagka't ang lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa, ay ang mga ito rin naman ang ginagawa ng Anak sa gayon ding paraan. “ Joh_5:20 “ Sapagka't sinisinta ng Ama ang Anak, at sa kaniya'y ipinakikita ang lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa: at lalong dakilang mga gawa kay sa mga ito ang sa kaniya'y ipakikita niya, upang kayo'y magsipanggilalas.” Joh_5:37 “At ang Ama na nagsugo sa akin, ay siyang nagpatotoo tungkol sa akin. Kailan ma'y hindi ninyo narinig ang kaniyang tinig, ni hindi man ninyo nakita ang kaniyang anyo.” JUAN 6:46 “Hindi sa ang sinoma'y nakakita sa Ama, kundi yaong nanggaling sa Dios, siya ang nakakita sa Ama. “ Joh_8:38 “Sinasalita ko ang mga bagay na aking nakita sa aking Ama: at ginagawa rin ninyo ang mga bagay na inyong narinig sa inyong Ama.” Ngayon kung tututol sila na wala namang binabangit na Cristo sa talata, e di maliwanag po na itinatanggi, ikinakaila, nagbubulag-bulagan sila patungkol sa ANAK at hindi nila kinikilala na ang Cristo ay ANAK. Ano pong impilkasyon nito sa kanilang aral? Lalabas po na hindi sila sumasampalataya na ang Cristo ay ANAK ng DIOS. Hindi po baga na natatag ang Iglesia dahil sa confession of faith ni Pedro na ang Cristo ay ang ANAK ng DIOS na buhay? (Mateo 16:16) Ayon sa Juan 6:46, ang nakakita sa AMA ay yaong nanggaling sa Dios. Sino po ba iyong nanggaling sa Dios? Joh_7:29 “Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin.” JUAN 8:42 “… sapagka't ako'y nagmula at nanggaling sa Dios; sapagka't hindi ako naparito sa aking sarili, kundi sinugo niya ako.” JUAN_13:3 “Si Jesus, sa pagkatalastas na ibinigay na ng Ama ang lahat ng mga bagay sa kaniyang mga kamay, at siya'y nanggaling sa Dios, at sa Dios din paroroon.” Bakit po sinalita ng ANAK na nanggaling Siya sa AMA at paano Siya nanggaling sa AMA? ayon sa pahayag ni Juan: Joh 3:12 “Kung sinabi ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa lupa at hindi ninyo pinaniniwalaan, paanong paniniwalaan ninyo kung sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa langit? “ Joh_3:13 At walang umakyat sa langit, kundi ang nanggaling sa langit, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Anak ng tao, na nasa langit. Joh 3:31 “Ang nanggagaling sa itaas ay sumasaibabaw ng lahat: ang galing sa lupa ay taga lupa nga, at ang ukol sa lupa ang sinasalita niya: ang nanggagaling sa langit ay sumasaibabaw ng lahat. “ Joh 3:32 At kaniyang nakita at narinig, ay siyang pinatototohanan niya; at walang taong tumatanggap ng kaniyang patotoo. Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit, hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo sa akin. Joh_6:33 Sapagka't ang tinapay ng Dios ay yaong bumababang mula sa langit, at nagbibigay buhay sa sanglibutan. Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit, hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo sa akin. Joh 6:51 “Ako ang tinapay na buhay na bumabang galing sa langit: kung ang sinoman ay kumain ng tinapay na ito, siya'y mabubuhay magpakailan man: oo at ang tinapay na aking ibibigay ay ang aking laman, sa ikabubuhay ng sanglibutan. “ Joh 6:62 “Ano nga kung makita ninyong umaakyat ang Anak ng tao sa kinaroroonan niya nang una?”
Tanong kolang po sa mga naniniwala na si cristo ay diyos bakit kailangan pa po saya bigyan ng kapangyarihan ng ama kung siya ay diyos na inyong sinasabi
John 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent. (John 17:3 represents the primary proof text that Anti-trinitarians use to teach Jesus is a creature and trash the trinity. John 17:3 is to a Jehovah's Witness, what John 3:16 is to a Christian!) What John 17:3 is saying: While Jesus walked the earth, he took off the outward robes of deity and put on the robes of a servant. (Phil 2:6-8 + John 13:3-20) Jesus on earth was still "very God" or the "only true God" but he took on a new role of a servant where all His efforts was to direct people to the Father as God and not to Himself. He humbled Himself, avoiding the glory of being God on earth and directing it to the Father alone. In the midst of Jesus' final prayer in the garden just prior to his arrest, we see that such submission was not merely a show while in the presence of man, but a true to the heart submission to the Father. Jesus was not denying he was the "only true God", but was praising the Father as such. the very next words after this verse are: "I glorified Thee on the earth ... now glorify me". Jesus would not sing his own praises! In very simple terms, if Jesus addressed someone else as "man", that does not mean Jesus himself was not a man. Jesus was not creating a point of distinction between Himself and the Father in the expression, "only true God", but between the Father and any other "so called god" like idols. Jesus had lived among the Romans with their many competing gods and Jesus was addressing the Father with these idols in mind. What John 17:3 is not saying: The quickest way to see the mistake in the Jehovah's Witness interpretation of John 17:3 is in Eph 4:4-6. ("there is one God and one Lord") If "One God" excludes Jesus from God, then "One Lord" excludes God from being Lord. Yet we know that they share these identical characteristics. Jehovah is not only called the Only true God (John 17:3), but the "Only Saviour" (Isa 43:11; 45:21; Hos 13:4; Jude 25) , "Only King" (Zech 14:9). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then Jesus is also excluded from being a Saviour or King. Conversely, Jesus is called the "Only Teacher, (Matt 23:8,10, Mt 10:24 and Jn 13:13), "Only Master" (Jude 4, 2 Peter 2:1), and "Only Lord" (Jude 4, Eph 4:4, 1 Cor 8:4,6, Mt 6:24). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then the Father is also excluded from being our Teacher, Master or Lord.
ang lakas ng aking tawa.........ngayun lang siguro nakatagpo ng ganitong ka debate si Dr White...NAHIHIRAPAN siya...napapakamot sa Kalbo niya ooppsss,,, sa ulo niya... 8:05
Eins Zy oo nga gani to lang first time nakadebate ni dr.james white ang INC na parang si rang plaka.kahit Sina got na pabalikbalik ang tanong parang luneta debate.o pipityogin na stelo na debate...he,he he he,
Hahahah in-upload para ipahiya ang sariling kulto? Kahiya si Ventilador. Parang batang napag-utusan lang na bumili ng suka tapos napadaan lang at sumali na ng debate. Kahiya! Highschool level nga, Incomplete naman. Hahahaha
Just a thought: if Jesus is "God" and is co-equal with the Father and Spirit, why would he submit himself to God so that God will be all in all? 1 Corinthians 15: 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the SON also himself be SUBJECT unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL IN ALL.☝ The distinction between GOD and Jesus is clear in here. Does equality mean someone is higher in status? I think the answer is really pretty obvious. The Bible is plain and simple. it does not mention the word "Trinity" and it does not explain a triune God.
I am yet to meet an inc who has read the entire Bible they always point to their ministers , contenting themselves with set verses. Why not read as starter the NT or even the gospel of John. Please read the gospel of John slowly repetitively. Please read it normally contextually. You hav nothing to lose if you believe you are elect reading John will not do you harm on the contrary this is the will of God for all people to seek Him.
Plain and simple... the closing 5 minutes cross examination reveals an age-old question that shatters the belief of Jesus as "man- only" but obviously reveals the lord Jesus as the "God-became-Man".... and whats that? Two verses... Isaiah 43:10 and John 13:19... if you wanna know whats in it, then rewind and watch.. watch OPENLY not with a CLOSE MIND... the magic word... is the Greek word... ego eimi... God bless everyone
Who is God? According to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles the Father is ONE GOD (I Tim. 2:5, I Cor. 8:6) ONLY GOD (John 5:44, Rom. 16:27, 1 Tim. 1:17, Jude 1:24) and only true God (John 17:3) .. James White believe that except to one God the Father has another one God the Son and one God the Holy Spirit. That is why he (James White) believe many Gods (polytheism).
NO ONE can enter the kingdom of heaven UNLESS you believe that Jesus is God. Jn 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that you should die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." Whether you are an INC, Christian, Muslem, Jehova's Witness, 7th Day Adventist, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Atheism, Catholic, Protestant, Buddism, or Rastarariansim, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you accept Jesus as God. This verse in the Bible is crucial. Many people believe in God, but they reject Jesus as God. It is crucial to believe that Jesus is God because he revealed who God the father is, and he also taught us how to live as Christians. Mr. Ventilacion kept on referring to "The only true God." Dr. White did not refute this. He stated, "Yes, we believe there is only one true God revealed in 3 persons." Any religion group that denies the Deity (God) of Christ are not following the true teachings of Bible. Any reasonable person watching this debate can see Mr. Ventilacion was inconsistent in his discussion referring to the Bible. I pray with love that everyone study this doctrine because it will determine your final destiny when we die. And, even if you don't believe Jesus Christ is God, when we die, we will all bow down before him.
Jesus said His Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. SO JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. That's why Jesus is not the TRUE GOD. Just like if you are the son of the Mayor you are not the Mayor, but your parent!!!
Sorry as a Filipino i wanted to side with Joe but Joe really doesnt make a good argument, more soa t the start making assumptions about the affirmative side that he was very clear that he doesnt believe in. Joe also doesnt know how to read the scriptures properly and wont accept corrections.
This guy only focuses on one word and builds a complete theology out of it but how would he explain these texts he knows are there but conveniently ignore them? "Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28. Jesus said "I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 and the Jews tried to stone him for making himself God. ~ But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8 ~ The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” John 10:33 ~ And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20
If Christ is truly the Son of God, it logically follows that He is true God. who originates in the substance of God must be consubstantial with God, because He participates in the Divine Nature by eternal generation. In the mouth of Christ, "Son of God" therefore signifies nothing less, but rather something more than because it is through our Lord s Sonship rather than through His Divinity that we arrive at a knowledge of the truth that there are three Persons in one Godhead.
That is a not a civil debate. Joe Ventilacion is a bully. Such a shame what he did to James White; you would be hard pressed to find a Christian apologist as knowledgeable and patient as this guy. I've seen how disrespectful he has been treated by a few muslim apologists but Joe's patronising condescension is truly something. Thank goodness for cultural barriers; his strongarm tactics may work with Filipinos but here in the US, logic trumps all, including abrasive personalities and mere rhetoric delivery. What is INC? Why do I get strong cultic vibe from this man? Is it the entourage of similarly-dressed men with the same lapel pin?
Well, to use the word 'confident' is truly an understatement of what is blatantly an attitude of arrogance and condescension. Oddly enough, he showed many signs of anxiety. I have just finished watching the whole debate and his demeanor throughout shows him as being very anxious. During cross examinations, he switched his footing so many times, looked back to his entourage and towards the audience for approval numerous times and drank so often yet so little. He drank compulsively from 2 bottles like a therapy rather than out of thirst because neither of those bottles seemed to be empty by the end of the more than 2 hours debate. If he had the armor and sword of God, they must be very uncomfortable to wear, judging by his mannerisms. :D It must be the first time he came across a debater that was not intimidated by his tactics nor his reputation (if he has one. I don't know who this person is and how renown he might be).
Oh, this comment is merely highlighting his abrasive attitude, not his logic or arguments, don't be confused. I'd suggest he brush up more on the logic/arguments side of things if Joe wants to debate other Americans in the future. His old tactics may impress the Filipinos but American apologists don't take that kind of macho bravado quite as seriously.
You claim that God wants man to know Him. I agree. That is what Jesus claims to be and is His central claim; that is, the uncreated, infinite God, revealing Himself in the form of a Man (John 1:14) who dwelt among mankind. But that is not what INC claims who Jesus is. It claims Jesus is not God. So you have a logical inconsistency there. If you really are convinced that God wants man to know Him, you better realise that INC does not share your conviction by denying His divinity. Any teaching that does not acknowledge this central claim of Jesus is wrong and yes, will put many souls who do not believe in it to perdition, no argument from me there. From what I have already demonstrated above, you should consider that INC position is wrong and think this carefully for the sake of your soul.
I have just finished seeing the full debate yesterday, as posted by South Dakota Apologetics. It is painfully obvious that Joe Ventilacion is ill equipped to tackle the biblical verses. He did not at all engage with the verses given by James White in his replies but continued on this narrow-scoping biblical verses that seems to prove his point even when repeatedly told by James White that his point is completely wrong by just reading a few more verses that come directly after it. The reason I did not so much concentrate on Joe's "analysis" is because his arguments are weak as James White continuously showed in his presentations. Frankly, the only thing worth mentioning is Joe's condescending tactics because that was the only thing going for him. Entertaining but worrying if sound doctrine is what you look for. If his arguments were strong, I could've interacted with that. By the way, it has come to my attention that even Iglesia ni Christo itself has not published their official teachings and doctrines for other Christians to scrutinise. This was mentioned by James White himself in his post-debate thoughts. This is highly suspicious and evading rigorous examination that, from what I can see, is badly needed.
Marami kc d mktanggap na wasak na nmn ang aral na 3nity.. Natural mag didislike mga yan.. Klaro nmn sa full video puro iwas lng ginagawa ni kalbo Jan, subrang stress na c kalbo Jan.. Nagkaroon bigla ng buhok. 🤣
Actually, he was responding from the Bible. He stated that you can't read the bible by cutting it up into little pieces. THEON referred to the FATHER which means GOD. THEOS is referred to the LOGOS which also means GOD. This is why Mr. Ventilacion wanted to stick to John 1:1(b) because John 1:1(c) would destroy his argument. (a)In the beginning was the Word, (b)and the Word was with God(b), (c)and the Word was God. John 1:1 God bless!
The verse clearly stated that the WORD WAS GOD. If there's any confusion let me clear it up with the Bible. 1.In the beginning was the Word, and the *Word* was with *God*, and the *Word* was *God*. 14.The *Word* became flesh and made His dwelling among us. 18.No one has ever seen God, but the one and *only Son*, who is *Himself God* and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known. As you can see, no assumption was made. The Bible, not Dr. White, does say and imply that Jesus is God. God bless!
Of course its not. Dr. White repeatedly mentioned that the Trinity does not believe in Modalism. What JV is doing is called a straw man argument. A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was *not* advanced by that opponent. I don't think JV understood what a Trinitarian believed otherwise this question would not have been asked. Lastly, you cannot cherry pick the bible as you see fit. Jesus is also called: 1. *Almighty One* - “…who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:8 2. *Alpha and Omega* - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13 3. *Advocate* - “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1 4. *Author and Perfecter of Our Faith* - “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2 5. Authority - “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18 6. Bread of Life - “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35 7. Beloved Son of God - “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17 8. Bridegroom - “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15 9. *Chief Cornerstone* - “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22 10. *Deliverer* - “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10 11. Faithful and True - “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.” Rev.19:11 12. *Good Shepherd* - “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” John 10:11 13. Great High Priest - “Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.” Heb. 4:14 14. Head of the Church - “And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church.” Eph. 1:22 15. Holy Servant - “…and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." Acts 4:29-30 16. *I Am* - “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 17. Immanuel - “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14 18. Indescribable Gift - “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15 19. Judge - “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42 20. *King of Kings* - “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14 21. Lamb of God - “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29 22. *Light of the World* - "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12 23. Lion of the Tribe of Judah - “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5 24. Lord of All - “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11 25. Mediator - “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5 26. Messiah - “We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).” John 1:41 27. *Mighty One* - “Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.” Is. 60:16 28. One Who Sets Free - “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36 29. *Our Hope* - “…Christ Jesus our hope.” 1 Tim. 1:1 30. Peace - “For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,” Eph. 2:14 31. Prophet - “And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Mark 6:4 32. Redeemer - “And as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth.” Job 19:25 33. Risen Lord - “…that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.” 1 Cor. 15:3-4 34. Rock - “For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.” 1 Cor. 10:4 35. Sacrifice for Our Sins - “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” 1 John 4:10 36. Savior - “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:11 37. Son of Man - “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." Luke 19:10 38. Son of the Most High - “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.” Luke 1:32 39. *Supreme Creator Over All* - “By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…” 1 Cor. 1:16-17 40. Resurrection and the Life - “Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die.” John 11:25 41. The Door - “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.” John 10:9 42. *The Way* - “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6 43. *The Word* - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1 44. *True Vine* - "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1 45. Truth - “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32 46. *Victorious One* - “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.” Rev. 3:21 47. - 50. *Wonderful Counselor*, *Mighty God*, *Everlasting Father*, *Prince of Peace* - “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Is. 9:6
So after you read: “_For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, *__Mighty God_*_, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace_.” Isaiah. 9:6 and _“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the __*__Word was God_*_.” John 1:1_" "_The *Word became flesh* and made His dwelling among us_" John 1:14. "_No one has ever seen God, but the one and *only Son* (Jesus), who is *Himself God* and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known_". You still think the Bible does not say that Jesus is God? I certainly agree with you that the Bible is no ordinary book. It's just that your conclusion is far different to what the Bible actually teaches. Again, you cannot pick sections from the Bible that you like to refute other verses from the Bible that's not in line with your church doctrine. That's a double standard. The Word of God is the final authority...not INC or my interpretation matter. You should believe the WHOLE BIBLE... not just parts and pieces. God bless!
Have you been listening to the entire flow of the debate presented or are you just listening to one side to enforce your beliefs? He was specifically answering the questions accurately and greatly focused on the meaning and coherence of the verses rather than countering them with other verses which is a serious misuse of the Bible.
Protestants couldn't accept that the man which they believe the most intelligent in the side of their faith couldn't understand simple knowledge... It is because you people depends on the interpretation and not the very scripture...
Stress na stress na c kalbo Jan. Talo c kalbo Jan. nagkaroon cya ng buhok pagkatapos ng debate na yan.. D nya kc Inakala na matindi ang mga tanong at arguments ng INC.. Lupet ni Joe 👏👏. Mbuhay po kayo, mabuhay po ang INC.. 👏👏👏
@@jaytotkacka6615 Weehh.. Pagkatapos ng debate ALam mo ba ginawa ni kalbo?? Ayon panay explain sa mga members nya sa Church nila kc nka halata na talo cya kya puro ngawa.. 🤣🤣🤣
@@artcliffordtorrena9812 ahh so, pinatunayan mo lang talaga na bobo kayong mga INC hahaa. Tatanga nyong lahat, pati mga ibang sekta natawa sa inyo. Sobrang bobo ng pinasala nyo, pinagsaigawan nyo lang na bobo kayong mga INC HAHAHA IGLESIA NI CHRISBROWN HAHAHA
James White jump to Greek translation just to impress the audience that he is more knowledgeable than Joe😂 but he can't really defend his belief in trinitarian were in there is One God but 3 person Father, Son & the Holy spirit are co equal😂. The problem with this belief is it contradict other verses in the Bible. One is True God has no beginning and end, while Jesus born from his creation and killed by human he created. True God don't know other God while Jesus believe that only the Father was the True God. And many more
Friend, dr.white contradicted our Lord Jesus. Dr.white “named” 3 to make 1 God; Father,Son,HolySpirit. Jesus “named” only 1 to make 1 true God; the Father. And u think dr.white is right?
Just, wow... In so many places such as in Isaiah 48:11 and 42:8, God says that He "will not give His glory to another." Then we flip over to John 17:5, and Jesus says: "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." So anyone who worships Jesus, but they do not believe that the person of Jesus is also the being of God not only makes God out to be a liar in Isaiah, but by their own admission they are a practicing idolater by worshipping someone who is not God, and they fall under the condemnation of Romans 1:18-32. The Trinity is spelled out in Ephesians 4:4-6, one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father.
Yes that is what we believe ... because we believe the eternal Word (John 1: 1) became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory- Jn 1: 14. Read all of your Bible. Read John the Apostle prologue to his gospel.
Lawrence Stanley John 17:5 has nothing to do with a pre-existing Jesus.... you misunderstood. In the knowledge of the Almighty, it is not a a time reference. Jesus himself give that Glory to others!!!!!
this james white did nothing to prove that trinity is in the Bible...no more about the history of the doctrine of trinity...You are no going against us but to our Lord Jesus Christ because He Himself preached that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD..John 17:3, 1....
if the WORD is GOD...You should have noticed that in the same verse it says that "the WORD was with GOD" following your understanding it would mean "the WORD(GOD) was with GOD" OR "the GOD was with GOD"...UNBIBLICAL isn't it. it will contradict to what our Lord Jesus Christ taught in John 17:3 that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, and it is the Father in Heaven John17:1.
No it is not contradictory... because the word is the Son and the Father is the one who was with the word from the beginning.. so the word was with God there are no two Gods but two persons in one God mentioned in John 1:1. they are one and Jesus said the Father and I are one. this unity is by Essence as God. Jesus came from the BOSOM of the Father... from God himself that is why he is God.. the word who became flesh; John 1:18Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) " No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father. "
Dr. White destroyed his opponent with logic and an argument not based on sole emotion. Well executed as usual. I'm not even sure who runs this channel but I'd say I know that they don't accept defeat and want to misrepresent how this debate went down.
James White already lost the battle when he claim that he is a monotheism meaning he believe that their is only one God or Oneness of God he already contradict himself when he defend the Trinity doctrine that has been invented in the council of Nicaea in 326 CE 😂 were in the Father, The Son and Holy spirit were co equal god😂 and it was King Constantin (Pagan King according to most schoolars) influence the Council. It only means that it was not the native belief of early Christians. White can't pull out any single verse that would support his claim in trinity, word for word you can't find it in the Bible that 3 were co equal God but instead Christ and his apostle were firm and consistent in their teaching that their is only One True God wich is the Father and Jesus is a man.
@@donampalaya3988 Yet INCult adds to the bible claiming that FYM ravenous bird, not Cyrus. Most ridiculous garbage I ever heard.
Your response here shows that you did not analyze the debate at all and are just blindly claiming that Ventilacion beat White in this debate.
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Cyrus doesn’t fit the “bird of prey”-Is.46:11
Bird of prey was assigned to preach “righteousness” of God-Isaiah46:12; or
Gospel-Rom.1:16-17
Cyrus was assigned to restore Jerusalem from ruins-Is.44:28
Cyrus was the King of Persia-Ezra1:1, not a preacher.
@@ven6372 Wow, how brainwashed can you be? You are so wrong about your "interpretation". God was not calling for the counsel of another nor was He calling for anyone to counsel the Jews. God said "My counsel" meaning what He has commanded to Cyrus. God did not mean Cyrus nor did He mean any type of prophet to preach in Isaiah 46. God was not calling on a counselor.
And Romans 1 is about Paul's mission to preach to the Gentiles. It's completely unrelated! Do you forget that INCult claims to not even be the Gentiles?
And Cyrus doesn't fit the bird of prey? First of all, God called upon a LEADER which Cyrus was. Felix Manalo was never a leader. You want people to believe that within the verses of Isaiah 42-48 God is talking about Cyrus but then you want to try and squeeze in a prophet and that God did not mean Cyrus? What garbage. That would be the dumbest interpretation ever. I'm not even going to sit here and explain how Cyrus fits being the bird of prey. Just Google some articles. Really, this has to be the dumbest thing I have seen anyone say.
You really need to pick up a bible and read it, not just vomit what you have been taught by a cult.
jesus is a fake god based on his own statement,the true god is only god the father. denying jesus own words? still so many words of jesus that the only one true god is only the father. james white used john 17:5 abt the glory of jesus blah blah blah,but who is the only one true god according to jesus testament? lol james white and lol to yourself
Do you know how many times you have to show a child how to tie his shoe. Just because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he's being taught wrong.. dr. White shows incredible patients to someone who just doesn't get it.
jesus is a fake god based on his own statement,the true god is only god the father. denying jesus own words? still so many words of jesus that the only one true god is only the father. james white used john 17:5 abt the glory of jesus blah blah blah,but who is the only one true god according to jesus testament? lol james white and lol to yourself
The most senseless clip I've ever watched was when Dr. White claimed to be a Monotheos but defended the Trinity. It's like having a contradictory personality, saying you're a Monotheos while preaching a doctrine about the Trinity."
Those who claim to be Monotheos believe in the existence of a single God, and do not believe in the concept of three persons of God in the doctrine of the Trinity. The Monotheos belief is focused on the existence of a single God."
"Dr. White is underrated in avoiding answering questions when he knows he is being cornered."
"We can see how Dr. White pretends to remain calm even if he knows he is being cornered, just to show the crowd that he supposedly knows the answer, but in truth, it's not just to get attention and sympathy from those who don't understand."
Same thought here😂 I was laught when he was cross examined by Joe about White understanding the word "Only one" and he avoided to answer it and claim that he was Monotheism😂 who also believe for the Oneness of God. He always ran in Greek trying to impress the audience that he was more knowledgeable than his opponent but don't denied that the English translation was incorrect😂. He should denied first that English translation as incorrect before running to the original text.
If you think Ventilacion won I feel bad for you.
Lol silly boy. Of course the losing side will say that. You have a different Christ and a different gospel. Repent and believe the I AM, the ancient of days, the LORD. Christ is no mere human being. He's the almighty.
Dr. James white failed to prove the veracity of the TRINITY doctrines because obviously even himself donot know the answer,as what catholic assert IT IS A MYSTERY THAT NO ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND JUST LIKE GRADE7 SCHOOLER...yan ang tinatawag na PALUSOT.COM
He is muslim!
Notice how often INC changes translations for various verses. In one verse they use NASB, in another NKJV, then they try the NLT, and in even another they claim to use the Greek. The fact is that INC members don't actually read the Bible, they probably don't even own one. They cannot tell you the theme of Hebrews, nor what Hebrews 1 means, only what their select verses DON'T mean. They also cannot tell you what the Gospel is.
Except you don't make clarification by resorting to paraphrases like the NLT. The usage of these various versions shows intentional obfuscation on the part of the INC. They accept the NLT in one spot, while ignoring what it says elsewhere. But of course the typical INC member doesn't know this, they don't own Bibles nor read them for themselves. They cannot tell you what a passage actually means, only what they've been told it doesn't mean.
For your information, Every INC member could read the bible. We have our own Bible. In fact, We could bring it and ask the Church for clarification.
Where did you got that gossip that we're not actually reading the Bible?
I only just heard of Iglesia ni Christo a short time ago. What I heard surprised me. It sounded very cultish. Watching the debate between James and Joe confirmed the sense of cultishness that I had felt upon hearing about how INC church leaders pester their congregants. Joe was astonishingly disrespectful toward James as well as profoundly out of his depth in terms of biblical scholarship. But this didn't seem to give him any pause. Joe just kept pounding away at a position that James didn't hold and revealing in the process how poorly he was thinking and handling Scripture. If anyone got "taken to the cleaners" it was Joe.
I'm sorry, I can't understand how James White was defeated.
This is because the person who uploaded the video is an INC member.
Yesyes.
me neither, how would Dr. white be defeated, they should have watched the whole debate, joes answers are not consistent
Kawawa naman ang inc..di matanggap pagkatalo kay white
@@paultablo4789 saang bahagi po ba natalo?
At 2:00 Joe Ventilacion was exposed.
Joe: That's not my question...
James:I cannot answer the question by using the verse after this?
Mr jv came with assistants, mr jw came with no one else but the Holy Spirit. Though the inc came in droves they clearly lose this debate. Glory to God for giving mr white the wisdom, knowledge and understanding of His word. praise be to the Lord Jesus Christ to whom all blessings flow!
Benjamin Jacildo he followed the script provided by his overseers and leaders. JV was shook by JW.
Another adherents of unbiblical doctrines of TRINITY follower of the biggest cult on earth the catholics
this Joe Ventilacion is a joke. James White answered all his questions clearly but Ventilacion obviously wanted to hear what he wanted to hear thats why he keeps asking a bunch of questions that would end up with his expected answer. notice that whenever White answers his questions plain and straight, he just follow through another dumb questions that would question yourself whether this Ventilacion is blind or ignorant to the truth.
Peter Griffin
Wow, who is this Joe Ventilacion guy? He has absolutely no understanding of what trinitarians actually believe, understanding of the original language, or the art of how debate is supposed to be conducted. He appeals only to his audience and repeats nothing more than a script. It was rather hysterical and embarrassing on any serious debating level. Does INC really considers this man their "champion"? What a shame...
Benjamin Jacildo
The doctrine if the trinity is apparent from the old and New Testament. As a matter of fact, it is most clearly defined between the incarnation and outpouring of the Holy Spirit. As Dr. White articulated, you are "assuming" that God is Unitarian, but do not read the Bible in its complete and entire context. Not to mention the original Greek language. Mr. Ventilacion did not have the opportunity to distort texts the way that he's done in previous debates. Sucks when you actually have to go up against someone who actually knows what they're talking about and can read the original language.
Benjamin Jacildo
Dr. White utilized the original text which provides the words to "English Translations". Mr. Ventilacion brought many bibles but he could not interpret the Greek New Testament because he can't read Greek. I'm sorry, but the original language takes precedent over any English translation that is out there. Where is the Roman concept of the doctrine of the trinity? Lol, this is all pure speculation and cannot be substantiated by any facts.
Benjamin Jacildo
When did I say that you need to know "Greek" to learn God's word? The point of mentioning the original text points out that those words in our bibles derived from somewhere. It's important to know where these words derived from, and to study the manuscript history and compare what each of them say. These original manuscripts are hence translated by those who speak and know the original language. That's the point which you are missing and, like your champion, taking out of context. I believe in tota scriptura along with sola scriptura, so best believe their is no question. Unlike you and Mr. Ventilacion, we actually read books in their entirety and understand verses in their appropriate context. Absolutely, as you are entitled to believe "your" own understanding as well.
Not to be rude, but if your going to respond again, can you please provide some substance as opposed to just spouting opinion, after opinion?
Benjamin Jacildo
It's amazing how you like to take my words and twist them, into your own understanding.
You have no substance to your "argument" other than citing your own understanding of what you think the Bible says. Utilizing your understanding of what you believe the Bible says as opposed to proving how the Bible presents Unitarianism is circular reasoning at its best. However, neither you or Mr. Ventilacion correctly understand church history, debate structure, or the Greek language. Not to mention the lack of understanding in the trinity doctrine and taking verses out of their context to try to make your case. Dr. White pointed Mr. Ventilacions inconsistent arguments and misuses of the Bible many times throughout the debate. On any scholarly level, Dr. White completely refuted every point by referencing church history, citing the Greek New Testament, read verses in context, and abided by the rules of debate. It's a shame he couldn't represent INC's position accurately because the organization admitted that they do not provide their "declaration of faith" to outsiders. You can't cry foul if you are afraid to present your beliefs to your opponent.
I would love to continue this battle of wits with you, but it's obvious that you are intellectually unarmed.
God Bless!
This is the best INC can offer?? What a shame.. :( disappointed here.
Congratulations Dr. James White 👏
Watched it 4 times already.. But sorry if you were hurt. I've watched better unitarian debating Dr. James White.
Benjamin Jacildo You cannot describe God in mathematical view. Ofcourse 1+1+1 is not equal to "1" but I am not saying 1x1x1=1 otherwise.
Divine nature that is God is shared by three distint persons not three distinct gods for the Godhead is one in essence which make every member of the trinity fully God.
Just like you and I share the same essence of humanity but in person we are distinct yet we are both fully human.
Essence is asked by the question what and person is asked by the question who. One essence in three persons. I hope you find this meaningful.
If you understand the nature of God completely you can be God. What was revealed to us in the Bible you should not entrust fully to a man's perspective. Hold a bible for yourself and pray.
The triunity of the members of the Godhead worked together in the creation, redemption and salvation of mankind.
The word trinity itself is not in the Bible but the essence is there. Just like omniscience and omnipresence. Disbelief in the triunity of God does not make it go away but it clearly shows that no amount of evidence will convince you.
ventelacion won, James white uses poor defense and argumentation. but I still believe Jesus BELONG to the only true God. because the father is not the only one belong to the only true God.
Analogy of Trinity is the Sun that has three being that are color, light, heat, not three Sun, but one Sun.
@@mepuememes959 I cannot imagine how ignorant you are trying to Multiply the true God. The passage the Father, AND of the Son, AND of the Holy Spirit. Cannot ever be translated as multiplication . pen AND pencil = pen + pencil
And = +
4 BY 4 = 4X4
BY = X
You have to change the text to the Father, BY the Son, BY the Holy Spirit to advance your case that it should be multiplication. Go back to grade school.
In the rational real world outside of a cult White won the debate on consistency, context, grammar and knowledge.
Whites behavior was rational, disciplined and mature and Ventilacion's behavior was rude, demonstrative and immature.
In his after debate analysis White exposes the debate tactics of the cult and it only reinforces why and how he won.
Those in the cult will disagree and if you understand how cult thought reform works you will understand why they disagree.
Lol how can he win when he contradict himself😂 he claim to be monotheism but defend the Trinity doctrine😂
haha more dislike than like because ventillacion lose the debate.
Yun malaki problem sa BIBLE INTERPRETATION NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO is kumukuha sila ng mga verses sa ibat-ibang book sa bible then tinatahi nila to support yun church doctrine nila and nakakaawa yun naniniwala kasi yun verses na ginagamit nila out of context or hindi yun yun topic or main idea ng book or chapter......yun ilang verses lang yun pilit nilang interpret and na disregard na yun ibang sinabi ng writer..... Para sa kaalaman ng lahat yun ORIGINAL NA BIBLE WALA NAMAN CHAPTER AND VERSE kaya babasahin mo sya ng buo para malaman mo yun buong context. Parang ganito yun ginagawa nila halimbawa sinabi ko (2 verses): "1Hindi masarap ang sinigang, 2 pag walang pang-paasim "... So gagawa ako ng doctrina using verse 1" Hindi masarap ang sinigang....dahil nasusulat hindi masarap ang sinigang.. wag tayo kakain ng sinigang...hangang maging... kasalanan ang kumain ng sinigang....TAPOS...wag kayo makikisama sa mga tao kumakain ng sinigang....Makasalanan sila. hahahahahahaaaa. Ganyan gumawa ng sarili mo doctrina.
Those are *_Translations_* for better *_UNDERSTANDING_*
Kanino mo napulot yan?
Dr. white believes that the father is the only true God in john 17:3, and then believing that The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit is the only true God does not make any sense,..He believes in two contradicting doctrine,..
Jesus said that " I and the Father are One. John10:30. So if The Father is the only true God and Jesus is one with the Father, then you can safely say that the Father and the Son are the only true GOD. The Holy Spirit is also One with GOD. It's after all God's Spirit.
God bless!
I would like to first point out that Jesus never said that I and my Father are one God. Jesus says, "I and my Father are one." Notice the period (.) that comes after the word "one". Only those that believe that Jesus is God will conclude it means one God, but that is not what Jesus is saying.
So how are Jesus and the Father one according to Jesus? If we read the verses prior to John 10:30, they are one in purpose holding on to the sheep. We can read that in John 10:27-30. It says there, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one."
They being of the same united purpose does not make them the same being or mean that they are one God. In fact Jesus even made clear that the Father is greater than himself, proving that he beneath the Father.
Since the Father is greater than all, what does Jesus teach regarding the Father? Jesus makes clear that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD. We can read this in his prayer to the Father in John 17:3, "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God..." Therefore according to Jesus, there is no other true God besides the Father.
Would being one with the Father also make that person God too? The answer is NO because Jesus already specified that the Father is the ONLY true God. In fact Jesus prays that he not be the only one that is "one" with the Father but also the sheep that they are holding on to also be one with them. We can read this in John 17:9-10. It is written, “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me,... Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are."
Therefore, if being one with the Father would mean that that person is also God, than that would mean all of the sheep of Jesus (true Christians) would also be gods, which is not the case.
There's only one problem with your explanation. You need to read the entire text and the chapters in order for you to understand what Jesus meant by that. Besides, I'm using KJV and there's a bit of a catch in John 17:3 it says here in KJV "And this life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou sent." and as the prayer follows, you can already see who Christ is in verse 5 onwards. On verse 11, Jesus emphasized unity with the Father up to verses 22. The next verses that followed (verses 23-26) you can see that it basically your last statement regarding the believers in unity with God because of faith in Jesus Christ; that doesn't mean that we are also gods, because that's just a plain misconception to assume. We are sinners, and what was the purpose of Christ that he came into this world to save us? If you know John 3:16 you would understand it well, and you already said it that Jesus came to this world to save the sheep which means us. Your questions are blurred because you do not seek the answers by context. Don't underestimate the authority of the Bible because you cannot turn the words against itself for the Word itself came from God. Read it by context, not by parts.
I just answered the question about the phrase " I and the Father are One". John 10:30 ,you see that if you read this and use your own understanding you may fall in a wrong conclusion that doesn't sure that's the true essence or meaning of that phrase, that's why i explained that, you must read the first verse prior to that verse so you can see what is meant to be when that phrase has been said. You know the bible is not an ordinary book that when you open it and you read it from start to finish, that you will understand it. That is not the proper way to understand it, the bible mentioned that you must compare spirit by spirit, and its like you compare one verse to another verse and also you will understand what its meant in another verse of the bible. You know in reading a bible never ever make your own opinion or conclusion on what you have read in a bible, you know that's what contradiction came in when one person read a verse and give his own opinion and then there is another person who read that same verse and then give a different opinion about the verse and so contradiction came in.The bible never contradict itself but the people who read it and give their own opinion that makes the contradiction.For example in John 10:30, when someone read the phrase "I and the Father are One" They use their brain and think and give their own opinion and assume that they are One in nature but that's is not what its meant because it will contradict the verse from John 17:3 that Jesus said " that's the Father is the Only True God" so compare it verse to another verse so it cannot be that they are One in nature so read the verse prior to that verse and you will see that its not the nature that's been talking about when it mentioned that "I and the Father are one". In our church the Minister always ask a question about the verse that he read and then compare it to another verse or get the answers from the other verse and he never ever gave his own opinion and assumption or conclusion, the bible alone will answers all the question about that verse.for example in the book of Genesis there is a scenario when the snake trick the first Humans Eve and Adam.if you ask a question who is that snake? and then you read the next verse to the next verse and then the next book to the next book, because that's how you read it right so you will take time to get your answer because the answer to that question was in the last book of the bible in Revelation that it mentioned that the snake is the Satan or the devil who trick the first Humans. So you know in explaining or answering the verse you must compare it to another verse so that you will see the answer and there is no contradiction. if you want to know more about the truth in the bible please check this website www.incmedia.org . thanks
Jhayr Datus
I have to disagree with you on the notion that because Jesus did not specify that He and the Father are one "God" disprove that He isn't God. Like Chronos Demitri mentioned, you can't cut the Gospels to pieces to make it mean what you want it to.
First I would like to point that After Jesus stated that He and the Father are one, The following verse mentioned that the Jews wanted to stone Him. Why? For blasphemy.
33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.”
The Jew themselves disagreed with your notion of purpose. They understood quite well what Jesus implied. Furthermore, when the High priest asked Jesus:
_ “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven. At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses? 64You have heard the *blasphemy*. What is your verdict?”
And they all condemned Him as deserving of death. (Mark 14:61-63)”_
Therefore, when Jesus mentioned that He was the Son of the Blessed One combine with Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven, they (the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin) called it blasphemy. The only reason why they will call it as such is because Jesus is claiming to be God along with the Father.
Also in John 10:27-30.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life..."
I think you also missed that sentence When Jesus said that He gave then eternal life, but Only God can give life.
_"Job 33:4
"The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty *gives me life*."_
Nehemiah 9:6
"You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them *You give life to all of them* And the heavenly host bows down before You."
God bless!
This is very interesting, the full debate is about three and half hours long. Dr White repeats it time and time again that a person's view must be well represented before "taking them on". Dr White was being forced to answer the "question" in a Unitarian view. That really drives no where.
From a neutral perspective, I don't think Dr White was "whitewashed" in any way.
I see the face of confusion in mr white.. hahaa
yes i see it too he confuse to jeo how he mis hundle the bible,. me too i am confuse because is too dangerous !!!!
He is confuse coz he doesnt wanna believe the verses that ventilation use. Hahaha. He was on a shock of confusion.
The other way around. Its Joe Ventilacion grilled by Dr. James. It's a wrong title. INC is looking only in a single verse, not in the context.
Only those who doesn’t know anything about the Bible say James White won.
*If Jesus is God, what is the PURPOSE of what Jesus said in his prayer for us, that we may know the Father as the only true God?-John17:1,3
Why did you not show James White's presentation? What do you have to hide?
Christ slain and died. How can He be God? The true God never dies for He is immortal. (Acts 2:23 NLT; John 19:30, 33 & I Timothy 1:17 NKJV). Christ was resurrected but He did not raise Himself up. God is the One Who raised Christ. (Acts 2:23-24 NKJV) These are just some of the proofs that Christ is not God. He is different from the only true God, the Father. Remember Christ DIED while the true God will NEVER die.
I watched this whole debate in FULL 3 times and all I can say is how humiliating it was for Dr. White... Bro. Ventilacion took Dr. White to school and ripped him apart in every stance. Anyone who cant admit or see this, is either blind or delusional or simply suffers from DENIALISM and wants to hang on to their false beliefs out of emotional attachment and not base their beliefs on concrete biblical truth and above all does not understand Greek and Hebrew grammar and syntax. This debate was absolutely HUMILIATING for Dr. White. Sorry if the truth hurts but this is the actual truth and FACTS. ;-)
Jesus said ; So by their fruits you will know them.. Matthew 7: 20..
grilled? Joe Ventilacion's questions are actually irrelevant to the heart of the debate...he keeps on repeating questions that are not connected to every single argument. it just so happen that certainly the majority of the audience are INC which mr. ventilacion is trying to use as shield to get away from the point of argument...
Willy Sao-an Are you blind? Jesus is telling you in John 17:3 that may know you the only true God is the father.
i am not blind...i think you are. you are trying to close your eyes on the context of the verse...
Willy Sao-an context of that verse? Read it again with an open eyes and mind. Jesus said "That may know you the only true God" the father not himself is the God the father.
well said Willy. you could actually see and feel in the whole debate that his defense mechanism is acting up because clearly Joe does not have any idea on what White was trying to talk about . Ventilacion would often look and smile at his audience or to the guy behind him whenever he is asked by James White or whenever he fails to understand the topic , clearly Joe Ventilacion does not understand the doctrine of the Trinity.
Peter Griffin ,, Bro. Joe will NEVER do wat you try to point out , because ,he never believes in the so called Trinity.
because our FIRM/CERTAIN,SURE /PERFECT DOCTRINES AND BELIEFS is that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD. ONLY ONE ,.not two,not three, not many.
Joe Ventilacion is just pick picking verses here to suit his own argument.
Ventilacion keep saying John 17:3 - And this is eternal, that they may know you the only true God. And he stop right there because that is his point to show that the father is the only true God, and he believed that it is finish, but it is not finish yet because there is the conjunction word AND , "And Jesus Christ whom you send." So to bro Ventilacion it is the only the father who is the True God but the whole verse is clearly saying it is the Father and Jesus Christ who is the true God. That shows my point that Ventilacion is pick picking the verse and ignoring Jesus Christ.
The verse pertains to our salvation which is the eternal life, to believed in the Father "AND" Jesus Christ whom he had sent. It never stated in the verse that Jesus Christ was just a man specially the word that was used which is the word sent and not created (man are created being and has no pre-existing life in heaven before he was created). This only proved Jesus was a pre-existing being who reside from heaven and was incarnated or send in order to enter the physical realm to become a man. Which satisfy the biblical word "The WORD was God and the WORD become flesh. And it also satisfy the very word that Jesus have spoken on John 8:23 - Then He told them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. That is why I told you that you would die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”… This is why you will die in your sin if you believed Jesus was from below like any man which you perfectly believed.
Wrong it is you who must do, reread and rethink your belief, it was you who is going against what the scripture has written. First the belief of the WORD which is LOGOS in Greek and MEMRA in the Aramaic translation of the TaNaKh. There are two Philosophy where this idea came from, The philosophy of man came from Philo of Alexandria which stated that the WORD was a created being a demi-God which was taken by Lineous, who is a teacher of Arius but they're belief was has been change instead they turn the Logos into a mere expression of God, a mere wisdom, That is not the very Philosophy of Heaven where John had taken this Idea from. John's belief of the MEMRA came from the Aramaic translation of the Torah which is widely being read during the Babylonian captivity into the first century time which is being read in the synagogue during the Apostles time and this is called TARGUM. And this is where John had taken the very idea of the MEMRA. According to the Targums, which were at one time accepted as sacred Jewish beliefs, God's word is an entity; actually God himself. The Memra' is to be worshipped, served, obeyed, spoken to, and prayed to, as God. The Jewish apostle John (who's Hebrew name was Johanan), no doubt schooled in the Targums several years before he met Y'shua, opened his gospel with these words:
● John 1:1-3…In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (NIV)
Modern Judaism accuses Johanan of borrowing his ideology from Greek philosophy. However, John 1:1-3 was a very Jewish belief back in Johanan's day, and nothing said in that verse would have raised a single objection from any of his peers and contemporaries because that passage reflects 100% Targum teachings that were commonly dispensed in the synagogues of his day.
Jesus never claim to be God? Wrong again, Jesus died in the cross for the charged of blasphemy Matthew 26:63 - So the high priest stood up and asked Him, “Have you no answer? What are these men testifying against you?” But Jesus remained silent. Then the high priest said to Him, “I charge You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God.” (I AM)“You have said it yourself,” Jesus answered. “But I say to all of you, from now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”… Surely Jesus claimed himself to be the Son of the living God, A God who will be seated in the very right hand of God.
John 10:32 - At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. But Jesus answered, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?” “We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” (The scripture clearly shows Jesus was claiming to be GOD, Yes you are right that he came down on Earth as a man in order to fulfill the prophesy of Isaiah 53, to be a sacrificial lamb for God, he has to be a man, without sin, unblemished and a perfect sacrifice for our sin and no man can do that except for God because God is our Savior and our redeemer. All man have sinned to God except the Son of the living God and this is the reason why God has to be in our midst to saved us. Man is not our savior and not our redeemer which you believed, it was God himself who is our Savior and our redeemer. This is the reason why Jesus said "You will die in your sin if you believed that he is just a man from below and from this world, you must accept him as a God, our Savior and our redeemer.)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
He doesnt wanna do it for cherry picking is his only option, other than that he cant take Dr. White...cherry picking😂
He just reading the bible.
Dr.White cannot move on until now.
True hahaha
If you know what the trinity is, you know how poorly Joe Ventilacion did in this debate. Joe obviously doesn't understand what Christians believe about the trinity.
Bro. Joe fully understand your problematic and wrong doctrine about your trinity.
true
He's just repeating himself about the words "the only true God" but not making much of an argument. But speaking from the context of the 2nd Person of The Trinity, it makes perfect harmony of The Lord's Words. Believe in The True Christ and live.
MONOTHEISM IS DIFFERENT FROM UNITARIANISM, Ventilation seemed to be confused and don’t understand his own arguments
Ventilacion lost this debate.
INC got really big big problems, open your doctrine up to the world
Congrats DR. James White. I've watched the original video and that clearly shows me who really won the debate. A disgrace to the owner of this video and just cut portions of the video.
What a shame.
I mean... It's INC propoganda. Of course they would cut and choose the parts that supplement the adgenda that the Administration and the organization want to push.
When I watched the full debate I was actually getting mentally dizzy from Joe V going in circles fishing for the answer he wants to hear; and not the one that's correct based on Biblicsl context. Just as Dr.Whire prefaced in the beginning of the debate. It was 3 hours of going in circles that was open and closed in Dr.Whites opening statement.
Dr White ..give his opinion and assumption on the debate and keeps giving a vague answer
lol, lol...you're joking right?? Dr. James White utterly DESTROYED THIS MAN like stepping on a bug... I think Joe was so upset with himself because he was getting destroyed that he allowed his anger to get the better of him. Plain n simple Dr James White gave this man a A** WOOPIN!!!
Context ang sagot niya hindi kagaya ni Joe Ayaw tumanggap ng grammar hahah
INC is unethical for producing added videos with their own comments. The audience should be able to listen to the entire debate without having to listen to added edits and comments after the debate is over. I dislike the amount of argument that INC seems to be infusing into the debate. All ethical debates should be held in a Christ like spirit of Christian love rather than a spirit of strife and argument.
James White owned Joe Ventilacion. He's not a match.
James White is such a joke. He always try to escape the question hahaha!
OFFtheRACE
No... he answered the questions multiple times. Not Dr. White’s fault Mr. Ventilacion refused/misunderstood the answer, misrepresented Dr. White’s position, cherry-picked verses without allowing full context, and continuously made rude remarks during the cross examination.
His resort to bully/appeal to his audience base tactics displays his own self destruction during the debate.
By the way: here is some video proof displaying how defeated your base was after the debate.
th-cam.com/video/tb1k2J0JugI/w-d-xo.html
The typical debating tactic is to be politically correct. In this debate Mr. White completely denies the phrase ONLY GOD and argues that Jesus pre-existed and created heavens and earth together. How can Christ be equal to God...
Simple...jesus is speaking to another person in so many verses. And then you will say that he is part of that person he talking with? This is common sense.
Trinity is not even mentioned in the bible.
Excuse me Joe ventalacion I am voluntarily teach you Greek grammar as well English ..you present the Bible without the proper exegesis..im so sorry mr.joe you look very amateur and non-sense debater of inc ,,I did not learned from you
Leo lansang, yabang mo vovo. Grammar mo nga mali mali may gana ka pang turuan c Mr Ventilacion? Mar aral ka muna wag puro rugby sinisinghot mo. High ka na naman idiot.
@@geomad8964 ganyan ba ugali ng nasa true church.. may galit sa puso at nagsasabi idiot ang isang tao. Hope INC members follow their doctrine Concerning good manners and reapect.
Leo lansang your grammar is grammatically wrong. Hahaha...
@@anthonycalalo4185 binabalik lang po sa kanya ang kayabangan niya.wag po tayo ipokrito
Nakuha pa kc niya magyabang eh nakakatawa naman talaga english niya...hoy magtagalog ka nalang wag kana magpilit TRYING HARD! may paexeges exeges kapa nalalaman jan sungalngalin ko ngalangala mo bka gumaling ka pa mag hebrew
Joe needs to keep things simple and read the Bible again in context.
An important doctrinal role in the tradition
of our dogma must be assigned to St. Irenaeus
of Lyons (born about 140). He was a disciple
of St. Polycarp of Smyrna (d. 155), who had received the faith from St. John, the Apostle.
St. Irenseus emphasizes the fact that Christ is truly
the Son of God, and consequently true God. " No one
else, therefore" he writes, .." is called God or Lord,
except He who is the God and Lord of all [i. e., the
Father] . . . and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord."
Dr. White lost this debate.
Mr. White did'nt notice giving and repeating a good answer favor to Mr. Joe in john 1:1b that it is the FATHER THATS WHY Mr. Joe keep repeating the question then mr. White try to break his answer which pointing to the father alone. He did'nt notice that john 1:1b i unbreakable that it is pointing to father alone so he's trying to break it saying IM NOT UNITARIAN but the verse clearly say's as he support with his answer it's to father alone. and we already know the father is different to the son in john 10:39 mr. White can't scape to the truth which he tries to break just to show he's personal knowledge about he's own conclusions
he gives a good answer because he is in true, joe keep asking question that no one christian on earth cannot answer that question,is obvious, ..that's why Mr. white laugh ,. me either, mr white answer that so fast because is commons sense , and giving that answer is not to support joe stand ,.. is just in scripture,. and every one knows that, JESUS teaching about the ONLY TRUE GOD is 100% true,. and white knows it,..
all christian knows it,.
but one thing you dont know when GOD called his son A GOD. OH GOD!!!
that saying IM NOT UNITARIAN is right answer,.. because he is trinitarian,..
JESUS TEACH US THE FATHER< AND THE FATHER TEACH US THE SON
It's hard to reason with INC because their mind is set on what they believe is the truth.
2 Thessalonians 2:11- And for this cause God shall send them strong delusions, that they should believe a lie.
This passage from the bible is very true in INC. They are solidify in their man made teachings that nobody cannot break that bond it slaps them in the face.
As Dr. White said only from the bible and all from the bible. SOLA SCRIPTURA, TOTA SCRIPTURA.
you are not the body of christ because you don't who Jesus is. You have a counterfeit Jesus and that is very scary. You have to search the truth and not focused on what your man made teaching organization told you.
Dude I didn’t even see James White hold a Bible in this debate. He just read from his laptop.
On every James White debate about anything whatsoever when he seems to be cornered it's always about ... The Context, The Greek, The Grammar, The Hebrew, The Founding Fathers, etc etc.It seems to be his usual escape route /trick, which he uses in all his debates, & he generally never proves his points but usually takes his escape route by boasting that he is the only one qualified & learned enough. Mr James White has a lot of debating to do if he will meet God & Jesus the Son of God.
you didnt even know the word "ONLY" ?
Haha cause you don't understand trintity
@@rizaresota1221 the word trinity you can't find in the bible, you must believe what the bible says, the only one true god is the father not the son.
@@rizaresota1221 because trinity is unbiblical an invented doctrines adheres by many bobos
Exactly.. I noticed that almost all the people who commented here are closed-minded
@ً Yes. When did the prophets and the apostles teach people that God has 3 persons? Even Jesus Christ taught that we should know that the Father is the only true God so we may have the eternal life.
pilipitin man ng isang tao ang katotohanan hindi ka magwawagi kung ikaw ay nasa kasinungalingan.
talong talo si ventelacion. . nag tae lng sa debate. sna di nlng niya ginawa un. ni wla siyang nasagot
@@thelaralass5586 nasagot nya nga lahat eh.
Panoorin mo buong video nagayaw ng Part 2 yung INC pero natakot c dr. white
@@thelaralass5586 .pakinggan mo mga paliwanag at sagot ng INC. Tinatakpan mo tenga mo pag INC nagsasalita eh. Puro concluesion nlng si james. Eh hhhahahaha naggalit n si james si ipit n ipit na. Style nya yung galit pra magulo yung crosexam nya
I listened from start to finish this debate and INC Ventilacion was not able to comprehend his stand! He is not able to present his questions very clearly, was not able to clearly discribes his faith!!!! Its very clear that Ventilacion was the one who is not knowledgeable!!!! God the Father God the son Jesus Christ is God and the Holy Spirit are one!!!!
More dislikes then likes. I’m LDS the audience wasn’t fooled by the click bait of this edited clip. Every non-biased listener knows that Dr White won. As someone who does not subscribe to either religious denomination and without prejudice, Dr White made many better arguments. Jose just yelled out random verses which he didn’t properly comprehend
as a christian myself i was shocked to see Joe presentation reflects hatred, dis-respectful, arrogant and far beyond from Jesus teaching and approach. the bible convinced me Jesus should be placed at the level as god- i pray my Christian brothers & sisters to open up the bible and examine by yourself, if trinity is not true- what Jesus did on earth was pointless.
I am from Iglesia Ni Cristo
and because of this debate I become a Trinitarian Christian. 😊
I was intrigued but then again I have watched the full debate.... joe back out when dr white asked to dig into the greek manuscript for better understanding... throwing some lame excuses....
This video is hilarious. I absolutely love watching James White debates.
I see the other way around...dr.white schooled by mr. Jv
@@leumasnugas6222 you obviously did not watch full debate. This one was cut and edited
@@leumasnugas6222 Inc is garbage, Inc lost hahahah 😂😂😂😂
wow great! pwedi po bang talonin ni Bro Joe ventilacion si OVIDOS na makulit ? para buung pamily ko aanib na sa INC , SDA hu ako salamat !
Napanood mo yung full na debate?
At kahit nga dito si Ventilacion pa yung na talo dito eh. Haha
@@Mheet talo si vetelation jan napa nood ko whole dabate nya lampaso ang inc, puro save by the bell na ngamote sa 2peter1:1
@@Mheet bka nakatulog ka taz naglalaway pa kaya hindi mo napanood ng buo or baka nananaginip ka lang...MAG UPLOAD NGA KAYO NG KAHIT ISANG VIDEO NA NAKIPAGDEBATE ANG ISANG PILIPINO SA MGA BANYAGA...i'll be glad if you can show me one
@@leumasnugas6222 It doesnt mean na nakipagdebate ang isang pilipino sa isang banyaga ay automatically panalo na siya, fallacious argument mate. It doesnt matter. The fact that he stood for the debate will inevitably and implicitly say that he is ready to debate.
@@Grace-om8qx .talaga?? Pagkakaintindi mo sa ONLY??? Iyak n iyak si james eh puro concluesion nlng james. Pinapaliwanag ni james ang mga talata n ayon lng s gusto nyang unawa. Kaya nakakaawa mga naniniwala sa trinity nagagalit si james kasi alam nmn nya yung ONLY ayaw nya sabihin. Logos bigla nya binago sinabi nya. Hhha
Sa mga
nabanggit na talata ay maliwanag po na ang ANAK ay nanggaling sa AMA. Isinugo
ng AMA kung kaya bumaba sa langit ang ANAK upang ganapin ang kalooban ng AMA.
Maliwanag
at tukoy na natin na ang ANAK na siyang SALITA ay sumasa DIOS. (Juan1:1 at Rev
19:13)
Ang ANAK
ang lubusang nagpakilala at nagpahayag tungkol sa AMA. Sino pa nga ba ang higit
na makapagpapahayag at makapagpapakilala ng buo, ganap, kumpleto at lubusan patungkol
sa AMA kung hindi yung nanggaling, nagmula, nakakita, kapiling at nasa
sinapupunan AMA? Walang sinumang tao, propeta, sugo, santo o maging apostol na
makakapangahas at mag-aangkin ng mga nabanggit liban sa ANAK na isinugo at
nanaog sa langit upang gawin ang kalooban ng AMA kaya naging tao at nakipamuhay
sa piling natin (Juan 1:14)
Ang ANAK
lamang ang tangi at bukod na nakakakilala sa AMA:
Joh_7:29 “Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y
mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin.”
Joh_17:25 “Oh
Amang banal, hindi ka nakikilala ng sanglibutan, nguni't nakikilala kita;
at nakikilala ng mga ito na ikaw ang nagsugo sa akin; “
Mateo
11:27 “Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay
ibinigay sa akin ng aking Ama: at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Anak kundi ang
Ama; at sinoma'y hindi nakakakilala sa Ama, kundi ang Anak, at yaong
ibiging pagpahayagan ng Anak.”
Kung sa
lumang tipan ang nagpapahayag ng patungkol sa AMA ay ang mga propeta,
alalahanin po natin na ang mga propeta na ito ay mga tao at walang sinuman ang
magsasabing lubusang kilala nila ang AMA dahil nga po sa di sila nanggaling,
nagmula, nakakita at kapling ng AMA. Tangi po lamang ang ANAK ang lubusang
nagpakilala sa AMA.
Kaya po
pansin natin sa mga sulat sa matandang tipan ay binibigyan diin ng mga propeta
ang AMA bagamat banaag na nila ang tungkol sa ANAK sa pamamagitan ng mga hula.
Dahil sa mga dios-diosang sinasamba ng mga pagano, buong giting na ipinapahayag
nila ang tungkol sa iisang AMANG Dios. Kaya naman pag babanggit ng talata sa
lumang tipan ang mga ministro ng INC patungkol sa iisang DIOS natural ang
pinatutungkulang ng mga sumulat ay ang AMA.
Ngunit
pagdating ng takdang panahon sa bagong tipan ano po yung bagong kapahayagan
tungkol sa AMA? Nalaman natin na ang AMA pala ay mayroon ANAK. Ang ANAK na ito
mismo, hindi na mga propeta ang nagsalita ng kapahayagan ng AMA. (Hebreo 1:1-2)
At ang ANAK
na ito ay nanggaling, nagmula, nakakita at kapiling ng AMA. Ang ANAK na itoy isinugo
ng AMA at nanaog sa langit ng upang gawin ang kalooban ng AMA:
Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit,
hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo
sa akin.
Ano po yung
kalooban ng AMA bakit isinugo yung ANAK?
(Joh_3:17) “Sapagka't hindi sinugo ng Dios ang Anak sa
sanglibutan upang hatulan ang sanglibutan; kundi upang ang sanglibutan ay
maligtas sa pamamagitan niya.”
Kalooban ng
AMA na tayoy maligtas. Bakit po? Dahil sa PAG-iBIG niya sa atin.
Ito po yung
mabuting balita at ebanghelyo na ipinangaral ng mga Apostol tungkol sa PAGIBIG
ng AMA sa atin:
(1Jn_4:10) “Narito ang pagibig, hindi sa tayo'y umibig
sa Dios, kundi siya ang umibig sa atin, at sinugo ang kaniyang Anak na pangpalubagloob
sa ating mga kasalanan.”
Kaya naman
ng bumaba sa mga Apostol ang ESPIRITU ng PAG-IBIG, ito ang nag-udyok at
nagsilbi nilang lakas upang ipangaral
ang ebanghelyo hanggang sa katapusan ng mundo.
Ngayon
ikumpara po natin yung ebanghelyo na dala ng INC. Ang ANAK ayon sa kanila ay
plano, panukala o banaag ng kaisipan buhat sa AMA tulad ng banggit sa 1 Pedro
1:20
Ayon po sa
kanila walang kapiling na ANAK ang AMA, ang ibinigay ng AMA sa atin ay yung
katuparan ng kanyang plano. Kung ganuon po masasabi po ba nating totoong
PAG-IBIG ito?
Kung ang
tao nga kayang ibigay para isakripisyo yung kanyang anak sa katauhan ni Abraham
at anak na si Isaac, bakit ang AMA walang kayang ibigay kundi yaong kanyang
plano lamang? Mas higit pa ba ang pag-ibig ng tao kaysa pag-ibig ng AMA? Ito po
ba ang mabuting balita o ang ebanghelyo na tinatanggap at sinasampalatayanan ng
INC?
Ngunit alam
po natin ang tunay na ebanghelyo at salamat sa pag-ibig ng AMA:
(Joh 3:16) “Sapagka't gayon na lamang ang pagsinta ng
Dios sa sanglibutan, na ibinigay niya ang kaniyang bugtong na Anak…”
Sa kabila
po ng lahat ng ito hindi po kaya nadaya sila ng diablo na sinungaling na buhat
pa sa simula dahil maling ebanghelyo at hindi ang PAG-IBIG ng AMA ang kanilang
ipinangangaral, kundi nakasentro sa kanilang Iglesia dahil ito daw po ay banal?
Bakit po ba nabanal ang iglesia? Hindi bat dahil sa ANAK kaya banal nating
masasabi ang Iglesia? Puro sila Iglesia. Iglesia, Iglesia nguit wala naman
silang Kristo, Kristo at Kristo. Bakit ko po ito nasabi? Dahil po sa pagtanggi
at pagkakaila nila sa ANAK na siyang Kristo.
Sa
pagtanggi nila sa ANAK maliwanag pa sa sikat ng araw ang babala ni Juan
patungkol sa kanila:
(1Jn 2:23) “Ang sinomang tumatanggi sa Anak, ay hindi
sumasa kaniya ang Ama: ang nagpapahayag sa Anak ay sumasa kaniya naman ang Ama.
“
Bakit po
ayaw nilang kilalanin ang ANAK? Dahil natatakot sila at di nila maamin na ang
ANAK ng AMA ay tunay na Dios gaya ng AMANG DIOS.
Sabi po
kasi nila malalabag daw yung sinabi ng ANAK patungkol sa AMA sa Juan 17:3
tunggkol sa nag-iisang tunay na DIOS.
Pansinin po
natin na sa pagpapakilala ng ANAK sa AMA sa talata sa Juan 17:3 kaakibat nuon
ang pagkilala rin natin sa ANAK. Hindi po natin mapaghihiwalay ang ANAK sa AMA
at ang AMA sa ANAK.
Dahil po
ang relasyon at ng ugnayan ng AMA sa ANAK ay umiiral na duon sa sinapupunan ng
AMA. (Jn 1:14)
Bakit
binibigyan diin ko po yung sinapupunan?
Nais po ng
AMA na magkaroon ng mata ng pananampalataya ang ating mga kababayang INC upang
makaunawa at maliwanagan ang kanilang mga puso ng ESPIRITU ng PAG-IBIG at sa gayon
ay maipahayag ng kanilang mga labi ang
ANAK sa ikaluluwalhati ng AMA.
Sa
sinapupunan lalo pong nailalarawan ang kaigtingan ng relasyon at ng pag-ibig ng
AMA sa ANAK at ng ANAK sa AMA.
Lahat po
tayo bilang mga anak ay nanggaling sa sinapupunan, liban na lamang kay Adan na
mula sa alabok at kay Eba na mula sa tadyang ni Adan.
Sa mga
mag-asawa kelan po sila naging magulang o kailan sila tinawag na ama o ina? Tinawag
silang ama o ina nang magkaroon at malaman nilang may anak sila na nasa
sinapupunan. Sa sinapupunan pala nagsisimula o ang genesis ng relasyong o
ugnayan ng magulang sa anak o anak sa magulang.
Kaya pala tinawag na walang hanggang AMA dahil mayroon Siyang walang hanggang ANAK sa
Kanyang sinapupunan.
Di ba po sa
panahon na naglihi ang ina nanduon na iyong pag-aalaga niya at pagmamahal sa
anak na nasa kayang sinapupunan? Kinakausap niya ang anak ng buong giliw at
hinahaplos ang kanyang sinapupunan ng buong pagmamahal. At nalalaman natin na
tumutugon yuong anak sa pag-ibig ng ina sa pamamagitan ng paglukso nito sa
sinapupunan habang itoy hinahaplos.
Maari po
nating masabi na yung anak na nasa sinapupunan ay kasangkap ng kanyang ina. Di
ba po sinasabi natin sa ina patungkol sa anak ay dugo ng kanyang dugo at laman
ng kanyang laman? Maari nating masabi na taglay ng anak ang kalikasan ng ina at
nababalot ang anak ng buong pagkatao ng ina sa sinapupunan. Bagamat tinutukoy
natin ay dalawang persona ang ina at anak, sila ay hindi mapaghihiwalay dahil
pinagbubuklod sila ng PAG-IBIG. Kung ang ina ay puspos ng pag-ibig sa anak,
kailanman ay hindi natin mapaghihiwalay ang ina sa anak o anak sa ina. Mayroon
po bang nagmamahal na ina na papayag na maihiwalay ang anak sa kanyang
sinapupunan?
Kung ang
mga nabanggit na halimbawa ay posible at totoo sa tao, imposible po ba kaya ito
sa DIOS?
Ano po ang sabi
ANAK: (Mateo 19:26) “… Hindi mangyayari
ito sa mga tao; datapuwa't sa Dios ang lahat ng mga bagay ay mangyayari. “
Sa
nabanggit na halimbawa patungkol sa ANAK na nasa sinapupunan ng AMA,
nagkakaroon tayo ng pananaw, namamalas at nababanaag natin ang PAG-IBIG ng AMA.
At nagiging buo, nakukumpleto ang pagkakaalam natin sa pag-ibig ng AMA at tunay
na maitutulad natin sa pag-ibig ng MAGULANG (ama at ina). (CCC 239)
some people, just admire the blue eyes pastors thinking that they are more intelligent than filipino preachers of the true Church Of Christ. A minister inspired by God cannot be defeated.
That's irrelevant, INC is a false religion
Peter Griffin. you are obviously a biased listener. Mr. Ventilacion was just asking Dr. White if the word ONLY, have another person. Dr. White is obviously do not want to answer directly the question. Is he really knowledgeable about the Bible. I'm a Protestant but I can say right now, that the doctrine of my Church is wrong. I might consider consider the doctrine of INC which I think is RIGHT.
First off, everyone is going to have their bias. Let’s not pretend as if you’re an unbiased observer of the debate. A more reasonable way to watch a debate is to examine consistency in argumentation; regardless of your presuppositions.
Mr. Ventilacion repeatedly asked questions of a straw-man pertaining to John 17:3. He posed the question as if Dr. White believes in multiple Gods and assumes Unitarianism. Dr. White repeatedly answered that when Jesus was referring to the “Father” (in John 17:3) as the only true God. How many times did he need to affirm this? He then went on to read more of the context of John, especially into John 17:5; where Jesus says; “and now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began”. Mr. Ventilacion then indicates that’s not his question, and that he will not allow James White to read literally the next sentence that argues for Jesus’s pre-existence. Funny, how Mr. Ventilacion totally ignores the entirety of the context in John, and only wants to single out one verse as if that proves a point. Talk about dishonesty....
Gunther R, may I see your Protestantism if it makes sense. Inbox me on Bro Alvin's messenger. Thank you.
You clearly didn't watched the original video. Don't title yourself a Protestant if you don't believe in the deity of Christ. You are misrepresenting us.
One of the most beautiful professions of faith in the
Divinity of Christ that has come down to us from the
early days is contained in the Letter to Diognetus, which
on internal evidence is commonly ascribed to the era of
the persecutions.
The author of this Letter devotes
an entire chapter (the seventh) to Christ as "the Logos
sent upon this earth by the invisible Creator" and who is
" no angel"; but the "Creator of the Universe" Him
self.
1 John 5:20 also states that Jesus is "the only true God." This proves that Jesus is God the Father manifested in the flesh as a man (1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 2:14-17).
ENS had an advantage by posting the texts in English and with some Greek. Dr. White's Greek only texts lost the audience.
See my video, "The Hebrew Bible Proves Jesus Is God" on TH-cam.
I'm sorry, I do not speak Tagalog or Cebuano.
our lord Jesus Christ explains that God is spirit and therefore has no material being or person because spirit has no flesh and bones. trinitarians keep on mumbling that there are 3 person in one god how that can be? if you ask the inventor of the concept of trinity the catholic church or the pope he cannot even give you a concrete answer, they will give confusing answer "mystery" because trinitarians are the false prophets that will be teaching another jesus.
Mas maganda sana kung si bro. Eli soriano at si Joe ventilation ang maglaban. Puro mga magagaling.
Kaso nagtatago si Eli Soriano sa Brazil. Wanted siya sa Pilipinas dahil sa kasong Rape. HARAPIN niya ang kaso niya muna.
Noong 2005 nagset ng pre debate conference sa Paranaque kaso hindi SUMIPOT mga ADD. Gusto mo proof?
@@huelabling6644 saken lang dina oobra si soriano kay ka joe pa...magaling ba yun? Yung tumakas nga marcos hindi na niya ang isasagot niya...saka wala yan alam sa bibliya mga aral niya puro kopya pinaghalohalo niya lang wala naman siya original ....copycat
Both Eli Soriano and INC are cults
no one can destroy the true teachings of the INC
Iglesia na Cult
Sobra pa sa destroy
Mr. James White, you must learn the truth and come to the Iglesia ni Cristo
I challenge James White to Debate Eliseo F. Soriano,A non-Trinitarian
Soriano is a cult
Why assume Jesus was speaking to the Father? If God is triune how do we know Jesus was not talking to the Holy Spirit?
Ventilacion totally trashed James white
Very clear. Talo INC
Update: Joe Ventilacion died of COVID-19, two months ago as Iglesia ni Manalo flouted the Philippine government quarantine rule and continued its church services even during the pandemic. Worse, the New Era General Hospital, which is owned by the Iglesia ni Manalo, did not provide him a ventilator as his chance of survival was very slim.
Hehe cinungaling,galing magcinungaling ni Torino.
1. Did Jesus ever said, oh, I am the “the Mighty God? “ No. Never.
2. Why doesn’t Jesus admins that he is the Almighty God? Because he is NOT?
2. when Jesus asked his followers, who do you said that I am?
I think the answer is very clear....
There is Only One True God. Either Father or the son?
Unity is put 2 individual things together, yet, they are two individuals beings. Hmm...
Isaiah 9:6 is it a Messianic Prophecy that fortells Jesus? If it is read it
@@neo8840 1. The Word "Bible" is never mentioned in scripture. Does that make the Bible false? No. Just because something isn't stated explicitly, does not make it false. The word "Bible" is nowhere found in scripture. Yet you know that the Bible is the word of GOD. However, Jesus did explicitly use GOD's name for Himself when HE stated: "Before Abraham was, I AM."
Notice how the people wanted to stone HIM as soon as He made that statement.
GOD bless!
@@eyedealm I don't understand your argument. Are you agreeing with me that Jesus is God or not?
@@neo8840 Sorry Daniel, I thought I was replying to Julia Simmer's comment. I just realize my mistake. My apologies. Of course I believe that Jesus is GOD.
@@eyedealm no problem Brother God Bless
JUAN 1:18 “Walang taong nakakita kailan man sa Dios;
ang bugtong na Anak, na nasa sinapupunan ng Ama, siya ang nagpakilala sa
kanya.”
Paano po
ipinaliwanag ng INC ang nasa itaas na talata? Ganito po ang sabi nila:
“Mayroon po
kaming nais ipapansin sa inyo, dito po ba sa talatang ito ay mababasa natin
na nakita ni Cristo ang Diyos? Wala po tayong mababasang ganun, hindi po
ba? Maaari din po natin silang hamunin na magpakita ng ibang talata na
mababasa natin na nakita ni Cristo ang Diyos, at natitiyak namin na wala silang
maipapakita sa inyo. Dahil kahit sa buong Biblia wala tayong mababasa na
nakita ni Jesus ang Diyos. Bakit?
Colosas 1:15 “Na siya ang larawan ng DIOS NA DI
NAKIKITA, ang panganay ng lahat ng mga nilalang;”
Ang Diyos po ay hindi nakikita, kaya imposible na
makita siya kahit ni Cristo.Kasama siya sa mga taong hindi nakakita sa Diyos.
Sa kanilang
pahayag sa itaas lumalabas na di sila sumasampalataya na ang Cristo ay ang
bugtong na ANAK ng AMA. Gusto po kasi nila mabasa na letra por letra na
nakasaad sa talata na si CRISTO na tao ay nakita ang AMA. Sino po ang niloloko
nila?
Ngayon sa
hamon po nila na magpakita pa ng ibang talata na mababasa na nakita ng ANAK ang
AMA eto po yun:
Joh 3:11 “Katotohanan,
katotohanang sinasabi ko sa iyo, Ang nalalaman namin ay sinasalita namin, at
ang aming nakita ay pinatototohanan namin; at hindi ninyo tinanggap ang
aming patotoo.”
Joh
3:12 “Kung sinabi ko sa inyo ang mga
bagay na nauukol sa lupa at hindi ninyo pinaniniwalaan, paanong paniniwalaan
ninyo kung sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa langit? “
Joh
3:32 At kaniyang nakita at
narinig, ay siyang pinatototohanan niya; at walang taong tumatanggap ng
kaniyang patotoo.
Joh_5:19 “Sumagot nga si Jesus at sinabi sa kanila,
Katotohanan, katotohanang sinasabi ko sa inyo, Hindi makagagawa ang Anak ng anoman
sa kaniyang sarili kundi ang makita niyang gawin ng Ama; sapagka't ang
lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa, ay ang mga ito rin naman ang ginagawa
ng Anak sa gayon ding paraan. “
Joh_5:20 “
Sapagka't sinisinta ng Ama ang Anak, at sa kaniya'y ipinakikita ang
lahat ng mga bagay na kaniyang ginagawa: at lalong dakilang mga gawa kay sa mga
ito ang sa kaniya'y ipakikita niya, upang kayo'y magsipanggilalas.”
Joh_5:37 “At ang Ama na nagsugo sa akin, ay siyang
nagpatotoo tungkol sa akin. Kailan ma'y hindi ninyo narinig ang kaniyang tinig,
ni hindi man ninyo nakita ang kaniyang anyo.”
JUAN 6:46 “Hindi sa ang sinoma'y nakakita sa Ama,
kundi yaong nanggaling sa Dios, siya ang nakakita sa Ama. “
Joh_8:38 “Sinasalita ko ang mga bagay na aking nakita
sa aking Ama: at ginagawa rin ninyo ang mga bagay na inyong narinig sa inyong
Ama.”
Ngayon kung tututol
sila na wala namang binabangit na Cristo sa talata, e di maliwanag po na itinatanggi,
ikinakaila, nagbubulag-bulagan sila patungkol sa ANAK at hindi nila kinikilala
na ang Cristo ay ANAK.
Ano pong
impilkasyon nito sa kanilang aral? Lalabas po na hindi sila sumasampalataya na
ang Cristo ay ANAK ng DIOS.
Hindi po
baga na natatag ang Iglesia dahil sa confession of faith ni Pedro na ang Cristo
ay ang ANAK ng DIOS na buhay? (Mateo 16:16)
Ayon sa
Juan 6:46, ang nakakita sa AMA ay yaong nanggaling sa Dios.
Sino po ba
iyong nanggaling sa Dios?
Joh_7:29 “Siya'y nakikilala ko; sapagka't ako'y
mula sa kaniya, at siya ang nagsugo sa akin.”
JUAN 8:42 “… sapagka't ako'y nagmula at nanggaling sa
Dios; sapagka't hindi ako naparito sa aking sarili, kundi sinugo
niya ako.”
JUAN_13:3 “Si Jesus, sa pagkatalastas na ibinigay na ng
Ama ang lahat ng mga bagay sa kaniyang mga kamay, at siya'y nanggaling sa Dios,
at sa Dios din paroroon.”
Bakit po
sinalita ng ANAK na nanggaling Siya sa AMA at paano Siya nanggaling sa AMA?
ayon sa pahayag ni Juan:
Joh
3:12 “Kung sinabi ko sa inyo ang mga
bagay na nauukol sa lupa at hindi ninyo pinaniniwalaan, paanong paniniwalaan
ninyo kung sabihin ko sa inyo ang mga bagay na nauukol sa langit? “
Joh_3:13 At walang umakyat sa langit, kundi ang nanggaling
sa langit, sa makatuwid baga'y ang Anak ng tao, na nasa langit.
Joh
3:31 “Ang nanggagaling sa itaas
ay sumasaibabaw ng lahat: ang galing sa lupa ay taga lupa nga, at ang ukol sa
lupa ang sinasalita niya: ang nanggagaling sa langit ay
sumasaibabaw ng lahat. “
Joh
3:32 At kaniyang nakita at narinig,
ay siyang pinatototohanan niya; at walang taong tumatanggap ng kaniyang
patotoo.
Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit,
hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo
sa akin.
Joh_6:33 Sapagka't ang tinapay ng Dios ay yaong bumababang
mula sa langit, at nagbibigay buhay sa sanglibutan.
Joh_6:38 Sapagka't bumaba akong mula sa langit,
hindi upang gawin ko ang aking sariling kalooban, kundi ang kalooban ng nagsugo
sa akin.
Joh
6:51 “Ako ang tinapay na buhay na bumabang
galing sa langit: kung ang sinoman ay kumain ng tinapay na ito, siya'y
mabubuhay magpakailan man: oo at ang tinapay na aking ibibigay ay ang aking
laman, sa ikabubuhay ng sanglibutan. “
Joh
6:62 “Ano nga kung makita ninyong umaakyat
ang Anak ng tao sa kinaroroonan niya nang una?”
Tama ang ama ay diyos
Tanong kolang po sa mga naniniwala na si cristo ay diyos bakit kailangan pa po saya bigyan ng kapangyarihan ng ama kung siya ay diyos na inyong sinasabi
John 17:3
And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast sent.
(John 17:3 represents the primary proof text that Anti-trinitarians use to teach Jesus is a creature and trash the trinity. John 17:3 is to a Jehovah's Witness, what John 3:16 is to a Christian!)
What John 17:3 is saying:
While Jesus walked the earth, he took off the outward robes of deity and put on the robes of a servant. (Phil 2:6-8 + John 13:3-20) Jesus on earth was still "very God" or the "only true God" but he took on a new role of a servant where all His efforts was to direct people to the Father as God and not to Himself. He humbled Himself, avoiding the glory of being God on earth and directing it to the Father alone. In the midst of Jesus' final prayer in the garden just prior to his arrest, we see that such submission was not merely a show while in the presence of man, but a true to the heart submission to the Father. Jesus was not denying he was the "only true God", but was praising the Father as such. the very next words after this verse are: "I glorified Thee on the earth ... now glorify me". Jesus would not sing his own praises! In very simple terms, if Jesus addressed someone else as "man", that does not mean Jesus himself was not a man. Jesus was not creating a point of distinction between Himself and the Father in the expression, "only true God", but between the Father and any other "so called god" like idols. Jesus had lived among the Romans with their many competing gods and Jesus was addressing the Father with these idols in mind.
What John 17:3 is not saying:
The quickest way to see the mistake in the Jehovah's Witness interpretation of John 17:3 is in Eph 4:4-6. ("there is one God and one Lord") If "One God" excludes Jesus from God, then "One Lord" excludes God from being Lord. Yet we know that they share these identical characteristics. Jehovah is not only called the Only true God (John 17:3), but the "Only Saviour" (Isa 43:11; 45:21; Hos 13:4; Jude 25) , "Only King" (Zech 14:9). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then Jesus is also excluded from being a Saviour or King. Conversely, Jesus is called the "Only Teacher, (Matt 23:8,10, Mt 10:24 and Jn 13:13), "Only Master" (Jude 4, 2 Peter 2:1), and "Only Lord" (Jude 4, Eph 4:4, 1 Cor 8:4,6, Mt 6:24). If John 17:3 excludes Jesus from being "True God", then the Father is also excluded from being our Teacher, Master or Lord.
Thanks for this.
INCorrect gramatically
ang lakas ng aking tawa.........ngayun lang siguro nakatagpo ng ganitong ka debate si Dr White...NAHIHIRAPAN siya...napapakamot sa Kalbo niya ooppsss,,, sa ulo niya... 8:05
Eins Zy oo nga gani to lang first time nakadebate ni dr.james white ang INC na parang si rang plaka.kahit Sina got na pabalikbalik ang tanong parang luneta debate.o pipityogin na stelo na debate...he,he he he,
Nahirapan siya kasi makulit yung isa
Hahahah in-upload para ipahiya ang sariling kulto? Kahiya si Ventilador. Parang batang napag-utusan lang na bumili ng suka tapos napadaan lang at sumali na ng debate. Kahiya! Highschool level nga, Incomplete naman. Hahahaha
Just a thought:
if Jesus is "God" and is co-equal with the Father and Spirit, why would he submit himself to God so that God will be all in all?
1 Corinthians 15: 28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the SON also himself be SUBJECT unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL IN ALL.☝
The distinction between GOD and Jesus is clear in here.
Does equality mean someone is higher in status?
I think the answer is really pretty obvious. The Bible is plain and simple. it does not mention the word "Trinity" and it does not explain a triune God.
Certified blinded :)
Look who's talking😂😂😂
I am yet to meet an inc who has read the entire Bible they always point to their ministers , contenting themselves with set verses. Why not read as starter the NT or even the gospel of John. Please read the gospel of John slowly repetitively. Please read it normally contextually. You hav nothing to lose if you believe you are elect reading John will not do you harm on the contrary this is the will of God for all people to seek Him.
James White won that debate, INC looked like they had no clue about the bible.
Suit urself folk...dr. james no nothing about the bible but playing with his vague assumptions...trinity is unbiblical...
Plain and simple... the closing 5 minutes cross examination reveals an age-old question that shatters the belief of Jesus as "man- only" but obviously reveals the lord Jesus as the "God-became-Man".... and whats that? Two verses... Isaiah 43:10 and John 13:19... if you wanna know whats in it, then rewind and watch.. watch OPENLY not with a CLOSE MIND... the magic word... is the Greek word... ego eimi... God bless everyone
Who is God? According to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles the Father is ONE GOD (I Tim. 2:5, I Cor. 8:6) ONLY GOD (John 5:44, Rom. 16:27, 1 Tim. 1:17, Jude 1:24) and only true God (John 17:3) .. James White believe that except to one God the Father has another one God the Son and one God the Holy Spirit. That is why he (James White) believe many Gods (polytheism).
james white lost the debate
Christian start crying.
For God dme, what does the word *ONLY* mean?
NO ONE can enter the kingdom of heaven UNLESS you believe that Jesus is God. Jn 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that you should die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." Whether you are an INC, Christian, Muslem, Jehova's Witness, 7th Day Adventist, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Atheism, Catholic, Protestant, Buddism, or Rastarariansim, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven unless you accept Jesus as God. This verse in the Bible is crucial. Many people believe in God, but they reject Jesus as God. It is crucial to believe that Jesus is God because he revealed who God the father is, and he also taught us how to live as Christians. Mr. Ventilacion kept on referring to "The only true God." Dr. White did not refute this. He stated, "Yes, we believe there is only one true God revealed in 3 persons." Any religion group that denies the Deity (God) of Christ are not following the true teachings of Bible. Any reasonable person watching this debate can see Mr. Ventilacion was inconsistent in his discussion referring to the Bible. I pray with love that everyone study this doctrine because it will determine your final destiny when we die. And, even if you don't believe Jesus Christ is God, when we die, we will all bow down before him.
Jesus said His Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD. SO JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. That's why Jesus is not the TRUE GOD. Just like if you are the son of the Mayor you are not the Mayor, but your parent!!!
Mangibabain. Nakakahiya maging Pilipino pag ganito yung debate. Unprofessional and foolish ang arguments. Parang Elementary level vs Doctorate level.
Sorry as a Filipino i wanted to side with Joe but Joe really doesnt make a good argument, more soa t the start making assumptions about the affirmative side that he was very clear that he doesnt believe in. Joe also doesnt know how to read the scriptures properly and wont accept corrections.
This guy only focuses on one word and builds a complete theology out of it but how would he explain these texts he knows are there but conveniently ignore them? "Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28. Jesus said "I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 and the Jews tried to stone him for making himself God.
~ But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8
~ The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” John 10:33
~ And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. 1 John 5:20
If Christ is truly the Son of God, it logically follows that He is true God.
who originates in the substance of God must be
consubstantial with God, because He participates
in the Divine Nature by eternal generation. In
the mouth of Christ, "Son of God" therefore
signifies nothing less, but rather something more
than because it is through our Lord s
Sonship rather than through His Divinity that
we arrive at a knowledge of the truth that there
are three Persons in one Godhead.
That is a not a civil debate. Joe Ventilacion is a bully. Such a shame what he did to James White; you would be hard pressed to find a Christian apologist as knowledgeable and patient as this guy. I've seen how disrespectful he has been treated by a few muslim apologists but Joe's patronising condescension is truly something. Thank goodness for cultural barriers; his strongarm tactics may work with Filipinos but here in the US, logic trumps all, including abrasive personalities and mere rhetoric delivery.
What is INC? Why do I get strong cultic vibe from this man? Is it the entourage of similarly-dressed men with the same lapel pin?
Well, to use the word 'confident' is truly an understatement of what is blatantly an attitude of arrogance and condescension. Oddly enough, he showed many signs of anxiety. I have just finished watching the whole debate and his demeanor throughout shows him as being very anxious. During cross examinations, he switched his footing so many times, looked back to his entourage and towards the audience for approval numerous times and drank so often yet so little. He drank compulsively from 2 bottles like a therapy rather than out of thirst because neither of those bottles seemed to be empty by the end of the more than 2 hours debate.
If he had the armor and sword of God, they must be very uncomfortable to wear, judging by his mannerisms. :D It must be the first time he came across a debater that was not intimidated by his tactics nor his reputation (if he has one. I don't know who this person is and how renown he might be).
Oh, this comment is merely highlighting his abrasive attitude, not his logic or arguments, don't be confused. I'd suggest he brush up more on the logic/arguments side of things if Joe wants to debate other Americans in the future. His old tactics may impress the Filipinos but American apologists don't take that kind of macho bravado quite as seriously.
You claim that God wants man to know Him. I agree. That is what Jesus claims to be and is His central claim; that is, the uncreated, infinite God, revealing Himself in the form of a Man (John 1:14) who dwelt among mankind. But that is not what INC claims who Jesus is. It claims Jesus is not God. So you have a logical inconsistency there. If you really are convinced that God wants man to know Him, you better realise that INC does not share your conviction by denying His divinity.
Any teaching that does not acknowledge this central claim of Jesus is wrong and yes, will put many souls who do not believe in it to perdition, no argument from me there. From what I have already demonstrated above, you should consider that INC position is wrong and think this carefully for the sake of your soul.
DanieruShidebuteru You cannot based your judgement on the mannerisms,demeanor of a debater. You should analyse the bible verses used by each debater.
I have just finished seeing the full debate yesterday, as posted by South Dakota Apologetics. It is painfully obvious that Joe Ventilacion is ill equipped to tackle the biblical verses. He did not at all engage with the verses given by James White in his replies but continued on this narrow-scoping biblical verses that seems to prove his point even when repeatedly told by James White that his point is completely wrong by just reading a few more verses that come directly after it.
The reason I did not so much concentrate on Joe's "analysis" is because his arguments are weak as James White continuously showed in his presentations. Frankly, the only thing worth mentioning is Joe's condescending tactics because that was the only thing going for him. Entertaining but worrying if sound doctrine is what you look for. If his arguments were strong, I could've interacted with that.
By the way, it has come to my attention that even Iglesia ni Christo itself has not published their official teachings and doctrines for other Christians to scrutinise. This was mentioned by James White himself in his post-debate thoughts. This is highly suspicious and evading rigorous examination that, from what I can see, is badly needed.
paulit ulit ang tanong mo kay Dr James White, Hindi mo mahuli haha
90 likes, 146 dislikes haha RIP cult
mas marami kasi ang bobo sa mundo tulad mo. HAHAHAHA
@@lemuelmaglaqui9095 LOL, kayo ang bobo, kultong magaling mag-imbento.
@@osamudazai3366 hahahha R.I.P
Marami kc d mktanggap na wasak na nmn ang aral na 3nity.. Natural mag didislike mga yan.. Klaro nmn sa full video puro iwas lng ginagawa ni kalbo Jan, subrang stress na c kalbo Jan.. Nagkaroon bigla ng buhok. 🤣
Mr. James was answering the question only from his opinion not in the bible...
Actually, he was responding from the Bible. He stated that you can't read the bible by cutting it up into little pieces. THEON referred to the FATHER which means GOD. THEOS is referred to the LOGOS which also means GOD. This is why Mr. Ventilacion wanted to stick to John 1:1(b) because John 1:1(c) would destroy his argument.
(a)In the beginning was the Word,
(b)and the Word was with God(b),
(c)and the Word was God.
John 1:1
God bless!
The verse clearly stated that the WORD WAS GOD. If there's any confusion let me clear it up with the Bible.
1.In the beginning was the Word,
and the *Word* was with *God*,
and the *Word* was *God*.
14.The *Word* became flesh and made His dwelling among us.
18.No one has ever seen God, but the one and *only Son*, who is *Himself God* and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
As you can see, no assumption was made. The Bible, not Dr. White, does say and imply that Jesus is God.
God bless!
Of course its not. Dr. White repeatedly mentioned that the Trinity does not believe in Modalism. What JV is doing is called a straw man argument. A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while refuting an argument that was *not* advanced by that opponent. I don't think JV understood what a Trinitarian believed otherwise this question would not have been asked. Lastly, you cannot cherry pick the bible as you see fit.
Jesus is also called:
1. *Almighty One* - “…who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Rev. 1:8
2. *Alpha and Omega* - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” Rev. 22:13
3. *Advocate* - “My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.” 1 John 2:1
4. *Author and Perfecter of Our Faith* - “Fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.” Heb. 12:2
5. Authority - “Jesus said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” Matt. 28:18
6. Bread of Life - “Then Jesus declared, ‘I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.’” John 6:35
7. Beloved Son of God - “And behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Matt. 3:17
8. Bridegroom - “And Jesus said to them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” Matt. 9:15
9. *Chief Cornerstone* - “The stone which the builders rejected has become the chief corner stone.” Ps. 118:22
10. *Deliverer* - “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.” 1 Thess.1:10
11. Faithful and True - “I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.” Rev.19:11
12. *Good Shepherd* - “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” John 10:11
13. Great High Priest - “Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.” Heb. 4:14
14. Head of the Church - “And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church.” Eph. 1:22
15. Holy Servant - “…and grant that Your bond-servants may speak Your word with all confidence, while You extend Your hand to heal, and signs and wonders take place through the name of Your holy servant Jesus." Acts 4:29-30
16. *I Am* - “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
17. Immanuel - “…She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel, which means 'God with us.’” Is. 7:14
18. Indescribable Gift - “Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift.” 2 Cor. 9:15
19. Judge - “…he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.” Acts 10:42
20. *King of Kings* - “These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.” Rev. 17:14
21. Lamb of God - “The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” John 1:29
22. *Light of the World* - "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." John 8:12
23. Lion of the Tribe of Judah - “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.” Rev. 5:5
24. Lord of All - “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” Phil. 2:9-11
25. Mediator - “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Tim. 2:5
26. Messiah - “We have found the Messiah" (that is, the Christ).” John 1:41
27. *Mighty One* - “Then you will know that I, the Lord, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.” Is. 60:16
28. One Who Sets Free - “So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” John 8:36
29. *Our Hope* - “…Christ Jesus our hope.” 1 Tim. 1:1
30. Peace - “For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,” Eph. 2:14
31. Prophet - “And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.” Mark 6:4
32. Redeemer - “And as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, and at the last He will take His stand on the earth.” Job 19:25
33. Risen Lord - “…that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.” 1 Cor. 15:3-4
34. Rock - “For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.” 1 Cor. 10:4
35. Sacrifice for Our Sins - “This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.” 1 John 4:10
36. Savior - “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:11
37. Son of Man - “For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost." Luke 19:10
38. Son of the Most High - “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David.” Luke 1:32
39. *Supreme Creator Over All* - “By Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.…” 1 Cor. 1:16-17
40. Resurrection and the Life - “Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die.” John 11:25
41. The Door - “I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.” John 10:9
42. *The Way* - “Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” John 14:6
43. *The Word* - “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
44. *True Vine* - "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1
45. Truth - “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32
46. *Victorious One* - “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.” Rev. 3:21
47. - 50. *Wonderful Counselor*, *Mighty God*, *Everlasting Father*, *Prince of Peace* - “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Is. 9:6
So after you read:
“_For to us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, *__Mighty God_*_, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace_.” Isaiah. 9:6
and
_“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the __*__Word was God_*_.” John 1:1_"
"_The *Word became flesh* and made His dwelling among us_" John 1:14.
"_No one has ever seen God, but the one and *only Son* (Jesus), who is *Himself God* and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known_".
You still think the Bible does not say that Jesus is God?
I certainly agree with you that the Bible is no ordinary book. It's just that your conclusion is far different to what the Bible actually teaches. Again, you cannot pick sections from the Bible that you like to refute other verses from the Bible that's not in line with your church doctrine. That's a double standard. The Word of God is the final authority...not INC or my interpretation matter. You should believe the WHOLE BIBLE... not just parts and pieces.
God bless!
Have you been listening to the entire flow of the debate presented or are you just listening to one side to enforce your beliefs? He was specifically answering the questions accurately and greatly focused on the meaning and coherence of the verses rather than countering them with other verses which is a serious misuse of the Bible.
Protestants couldn't accept that the man which they believe the most intelligent in the side of their faith couldn't understand simple knowledge... It is because you people depends on the interpretation and not the very scripture...
Stress na stress na c kalbo Jan. Talo c kalbo Jan. nagkaroon cya ng buhok pagkatapos ng debate na yan.. D nya kc Inakala na matindi ang mga tanong at arguments ng INC.. Lupet ni Joe 👏👏. Mbuhay po kayo, mabuhay po ang INC.. 👏👏👏
Ang lupet nyo magsinungaling. Hahahaha tanga kaba? Buong Mundo pinahiya si ventibobo. Inutil na Cristiano kasi kayo hahahaha
@@jaytotkacka6615 Weehh.. Pagkatapos ng debate ALam mo ba ginawa ni kalbo?? Ayon panay explain sa mga members nya sa Church nila kc nka halata na talo cya kya puro ngawa.. 🤣🤣🤣
@@artcliffordtorrena9812 ahh so, pinatunayan mo lang talaga na bobo kayong mga INC hahaa. Tatanga nyong lahat, pati mga ibang sekta natawa sa inyo. Sobrang bobo ng pinasala nyo, pinagsaigawan nyo lang na bobo kayong mga INC HAHAHA IGLESIA NI CHRISBROWN HAHAHA
James White jump to Greek translation just to impress the audience that he is more knowledgeable than Joe😂 but he can't really defend his belief in trinitarian were in there is One God but 3 person Father, Son & the Holy spirit are co equal😂. The problem with this belief is it contradict other verses in the Bible. One is True God has no beginning and end, while Jesus born from his creation and killed by human he created. True God don't know other God while Jesus believe that only the Father was the True God. And many more
I think it is a wrong title...
The INC clearly lost this debate.
See how dr.white respond? But actualy dr.white is right.. you cannot cut the bible by reading only one sentence but you need to read the whole contex
Friend, dr.white contradicted our Lord Jesus.
Dr.white “named” 3 to make 1 God; Father,Son,HolySpirit.
Jesus “named” only 1 to make 1 true God; the Father.
And u think dr.white is right?
And this video was cut ,,garbage video ,show the whole scenes and debate
james white-the dark knight
Hahahahahahh😂😂😂😂😂 you dont have idea what you taking about !! Jame white destroyed that men!!
Lord Jesus Christ is God.
He died
Just, wow... In so many places such as in Isaiah 48:11 and 42:8, God says that He "will not give His glory to another." Then we flip over to John 17:5, and Jesus says: "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was."
So anyone who worships Jesus, but they do not believe that the person of Jesus is also the being of God not only makes God out to be a liar in Isaiah, but by their own admission they are a practicing idolater by worshipping someone who is not God, and they fall under the condemnation of Romans 1:18-32.
The Trinity is spelled out in Ephesians 4:4-6, one Spirit, one Lord, one God and Father.
Yes that is what we believe ... because we believe the eternal Word (John 1: 1) became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory- Jn 1: 14. Read all of your Bible. Read John the Apostle prologue to his gospel.
Lawrence Stanley John 17:5 has nothing to do with a pre-existing Jesus.... you misunderstood. In the knowledge of the Almighty, it is not a a time reference. Jesus himself give that Glory to others!!!!!
this james white did nothing to prove that trinity is in the Bible...no more about the history of the doctrine of trinity...You are no going against us but to our Lord Jesus Christ because He Himself preached that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD..John 17:3, 1....
if the WORD is GOD...You should have noticed that in the same verse it says that "the WORD was with GOD" following your understanding it would mean "the WORD(GOD) was with GOD" OR "the GOD was with GOD"...UNBIBLICAL isn't it. it will contradict to what our Lord Jesus Christ taught in John 17:3 that there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, and it is the Father in Heaven John17:1.
No it is not contradictory... because the word is the Son and the Father is the one who was with the word from the beginning.. so the word was with God there are no two Gods but two persons in one God mentioned in John 1:1. they are one and Jesus said the Father and I are one. this unity is by Essence as God. Jesus came from the BOSOM of the Father... from God himself that is why he is God.. the word who became flesh;
John 1:18Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
" No one has ever seen God. The only Son is the one who has shown us what God is like. He is himself God and is very close to the Father. "
did you notice dr white is purelyspeaking his mind. and the INC is from the bible
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