I am a hobbyist, goddamnit! I don't make a living with my music, it's for me, something I love an care about. On the other hand I have a family and must contribute to every penny I spent on stuff. At the end of the day: fuck you Waves, we surely go parted ways from here on.
Same here! Many other GREAT alternatives these days like Plugin Alliance... I only own mv2 and while I was considering several others like harmony waves is dead to me now... Besides, I've got 2000 plugins... This helps. Fuck um
If I had to guess I'd say big portion of their customer base falls into that category, either hobbyist or producers/engineers who have a second job to pay for the other. Then there are the big boys who most likely have free access to everything as long as they are willing to make favourable comments about every new plugin.
@ibrahim47x Ovox but it was a toss up between that or vocalsynth 2 so I guess that wins lol other than that some of the CLA compressors looked useful but I haven't needed them so far lol
@@xanderlurks Say less. Yeah, iZotope's Vocalsynth outperforms Ovoxx by a long shot, there's also Exhale by Output which outperorms both but is very much reflected in the price. My new favorite is Augmented Voices by Aruria although it's not a live engine, it works on samples and you can feed it custom ones. As fas as the CLA comps, you just need better emulations of the FET 76 and the LA-2A compressors, and Waves's emulations of those are actullay amnogst the worst and oldest compared with emulation tech available today. For the FET 76, Arturia makes a great emulation, so does Plugin Alliance with the MC77, Black Rooster's VLA-FET, as well as Plusar's audio smasher, and those are just few great ones of many out there. And to replace the CLA-2A, there's oh so many LA-2A emulations just like the FET 76, Arturia's TUBE STA, Plugin Alliance's Brainworx bx_opto, and Black Rooster Audio VLA-2A are some of my personal favorites.
Agreed. You can also finance certain plugins through Zzounds's payment plan, they've got the whole FabFilter bundle. So there's an option for other great perpetual licenses.
@@najinelson6742 Idk why you say beginners PA's plugins are top notch and what makes their plugins so beginner if I may ask because some of the biggest industry engineers use PA plugins and they definitely aren't beginners
Yes terrible indeed. This is even worse than the WUP. I’ll use what I have as long as I can (since updating them won’t be possible anymore) and then I’ll seriously ‘wave’ them goodbye. I refuse to let them force me to subscribe.
@@greedokenobi3855 Pretty much how I feel. There's some Waves plugins I enjoy but a lot of them I could get a similar thing from other plugins I'd rather just be able to buy up front and hang on to.
I own 90% of the Mercury bundle and have paid Waves a lot of $$ over the years to keep them up to date. Rarely are their plugins among my favorites, although there are several I use regularly and I value owning them. I'm inclined to keep using my perpetual licenses until I can't. At the point they no longer work for me, I will decide if I want to subscribe for the ten or so plugins I still actually use. Likely not.
Just on of the ‘Naysayers’ here. I would have had no issue with Waves adding a subscription alongside perpetual licences. The issue is that some of us don’t want every single plugin Waves has ever made (some of which are old hat nowadays), and we like to pick and choose the plugins that are beneficial to us. Some of us like to actually own things!
You never own software. If a dev decides to stop developing and maintenance, it's a question of time when the software won't work any more. Some software could stop working immediately if you have to have an online connection. And this will happen more and more in future, some devs will get old or die!
I have ZERO intention of paying Waves what amounts to $35 CAD per month for the rest of my life. I have already spent a small fortune with these guys for what amounts to a license on ONE machine, while others allow you 3 to 5 authentications. Goodbye Waves.
I totally feel the same and have spent literally thousands to build up to the Mercury+Studio Classics and Abbey Road Bundles. I feel like they are now like old automobiles that will only last a few years longer. Thanks for YOUR loyalty Waves!
I’ve noticed some Waves-alternatives lists are going around, this is one I happen to stumble on. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1--yRZdWro_d28LmYNvaWsVct7CR6Y_KAULFU8wZ4SEI/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR2LLmfGQ6O46m86mpmTRO_-hSKBhLGaoxo4hNrYoLwLrZFr6jQgdkRnMSk#gid=0
I'm a Mercury owner with WUP until 2024. But now I won't get any new plugins added to the bundle and won't get an automatic upgrade to v15 is it's released in the next 12 months. Thanks Waves. Dicks.
I have almost every Waves plugins which now will one day be obsolete because they have done away with their update plan. They're not going to force me to pay them $300 a year when I've already paid them thousands. They have dumped their base who have been loyal to them over the years.
Exactly my case--I have also paid them thousands--remember with CLA or the other artist series plugins came out, how expensive they were but we had to have them? Soon, we were within striking range of a Mercury bundle, then adding the Studio Classics bundle via upgrade, then buying each Abbey Road plugin until that bundle was within striking range. Now, that value we built up will be GONE! Thanks a lot for YOUR loyalty to us Waves!
I use the Waves NS1 and De-esser a ton. The update plan was a pain but I can't imagine paying a monthly fee for just a few basic tools, but I'm glad to hear I'll be able to hold on to what I already own. Just another reason I love Logic so much. One purchase and a lifetime of fantastic bundled plugins.
@@JasonCGuitarOfficial the tough spot there is that Apple rolls out a new OS every year. To get those Final Cut Updates and Logic updates you have to jump on the bandwagon. If the Izotope RX 10 Elements will work with Final Cut I'm going to make the switch.
They can stick that idea right where the "Waves break" as far as the V.O. industry is concerned then, & I see their site has crashed...... Yes their NS1 & De-breath are well used amongst my peers but they''ll no doubt be recommending other manufacturers to newbies from now on. Even the cheapest "bundle" doesn't make sense for anyone requiring such a limited number for this niche. < 4 months rental vs those 2 for ever at the usual "sale price" just doesn't stack up.
Problem is I don't need 220 plugins. I need what I purchased and that's it. So that "value" isn't there for somebody like me. I'll continue to use my Waves plugins till they are no longer compatible with my OS and then just not use Waves anymore. I don't like subscriptions and if they are going to force me into a subscription, then I'll just move on. Subscriptions generate good money for companies, but it is a slow drain on the consumer wallet.
I feel particularly shafted as in 2022 I went back to doing live touring and forked out thousands on software like Superrack, TRACT, plugin bundles, server etc etc. If there was any inkling that a sub model was coming I would have saved a fortune. All this done without any hint is a real kick in a nads for customers like me.
We should resist shit like this. We can't be saying "oh It's just the way it is now in 2023". These big corporations are not our friend, they just wanna milk the costumers.
This is one of the reasons I support the little guys. Bought the klanghelm MJUC for compression duties. Stillwell rocket for 1176. And Sonimus Burnley for 1073 stuff. That’s all I’ve ever paid money for, as Reaper has everything else. And of course, only a fool wouldn’t download the TDR free package and use NOVA on just about everything. My amateur $.02
Hate it! Basically I have all the waves plug-ins I want, so now I will have to pay $300 a year just to keep them current. This really sucks for the little guys…
Well too bad. I liked Waves and wanted to slowly obtain more as time went on, but I HATE subscriptions. I suppose they wont miss my meager hobbiest/solo act coin. Waves is dead to me, but like Thanos, they don't even know who I am.
I've been phasing out Waves plugins from my pallet for several years now....screw them. It used to be that Waves were the the best options for the native users. This is no longer the case, as there are so many amazing alternatives and great developers out there competing for your money.
I think the problem that is not being addressed with this move by waves, is that, it almost seems now like the reason for them to drastically drop the prices of their plugins for the last few years was to suck people in to buying all this stuff knowing they were going to go to a subscription base model. If you offer somebody something at an affordable price more people are going to jump on, but would they have even bought those plugins if they were told we're going to a new business model in a few years, and you'll never be able to update those plugins that you paid for. They will eventually become obsolete unless you jump into the subscription-based model at that point. It feels like the only reason that they went from exorbitant costs to dirt cheap was the basically sneak attack people. These are business people. Don't think for a second that they didn't do this on purpose. Or at least don't think that they couldn't have thought it up. I think the part that people with a lot of their plugins are pissed off about, is the fact that they've told all of us that we don't matter. Thanks for buying all of our stuff, oh by the way we're completely making it so you have no choice. It's either you go Subscription model, or enjoy what you paid for while they last. Someone starting out will benefit greatly, no one is arguing the point of the value that this offers. It's really just those of us who have purchased a lot of their products, and want to continue being able to get our updates when we need them. The update plans never bothered me as I never needed to update my operating system that often. I've been using waves plugins for 10 years and I've only needed the update plan twice. I don't see any reason why waves can't leave that part alone for the rest of us that don't need the subscription. We just want to be able to update when we need. I don't really think that's too hard to do or too much to ask for. Sorry for the rant, this is obviously a fresh wound lol 😂
I'm done with Waves and have no intention of paying a monthly fee for the one or two Waves plugins I use. In fact, as of today, I will not be using any Waves plugins in any new sessions as I plan to completely wean myself from their plugins. There are just so many other options out there. Still, I'm grateful to Waves in that they've helped me begin the process of pairing down my plugin purchases and usage. Too many choices leads to indecision. :)
Thank you Adam :) This is how the big fish want to live peacefully and the small ones to survive every month and that's what they call FREEDOM ;) I see how Adobe tries to update their software and other companies get lazy when they have a constant flow of food. Honestly, they would leave an option to buy individual plugins, for those people who are addicted to new plugins, because they are losing me as a customer for now. Plugin Alliance at least gives you a chance to get something for your money in the end, and that's fair, I think!
Removing perpetual licenses with no way (or advanced warning) of updating them now and ever again is probably the worst business decision they could make. Like others, I am now going to start phasing out the last few plugins I use like others. Never subs only.
Its been that way with software for at least a decade, ownership of code is a lost concept that doesn’t help these days except to inflate the ego. My mixes don’t sound any different if I “own the plugins”
The plugins I already bought are all I wanted, I am not paying a subscription just to use them. I feel ripped off and don't want anything to do with Waves. This is not ideal for hobbyist at all.
@@adamsteelproducer Because the old versions will not be compatible with future operating systems. The old update plan sucked but at least I could update them without being forced to pay every month/year. Eventually if I want to keep using them I will have to subscribe.
@@adamsteelproducer *Own them for the current operating system/computer. How would you feel if someone set a time bomb on all the hardware you own that will go off in 5 years? tick tock ....
@@improvewitherror Got nothing to do with the operating system, they all work windows 10, 11 and will work on 12 when it comes out, vst2 and vst3 will always be vst2 and vst3, why would they not work on future operating systems?
@@rdalcroft3934 The older versions do not work natively with M1 Mac, they run through Rosetta, which is basically a middle man taking up extra resources. As of right now they still work with Windows but things will eventually change as technology improves and they will no longer work.
@@adamsteelproducer True but that need not matter. There are tools now like yabridge and the like that make running VSTs on linux a pretty solid experience these days. Tools like yabridge and winvst/carla have taken away much of the pain out of WINE configuration. In a nutshell they give your plugins a windows API which remains unchanged with OS updates. Couple that with the fact that Linux now has really nice DAWs available as well (Reaper, Bitwig, Ardour/Harrison Mixbus) I think it might be a good time to try out Linux for audio/music. Oh and decent sampler is now a thing too if you need virtual instruments/sample libraries.
Let’s say you bought an average of one plugin a year at $39.99 on sale - they could lose 6 of you and gain just one subscriber and still make more money.
If they'd given people the choice to buy individual plugins or subscription/both then that'd be cool. I bet Plugin Alliance are rubbing their hands right now!!! I've not seen 1 existing Waves plugin user make a positive comment so far on this out of the blue move from Waves in any video about this! At least Plugin Alliance give you 10 plugins to keep each year for being a loyal customer.
There's analog obsession, there's ik multimedia, there's plugin alliance, there are also your stock plugins remember? Everyone chill out. It's not the end of the world😂
Well you can, you just have to pay $300 EVERY YEAR to do so. I’ve never jumped on the Waves hate-wagon before, but there’s no way I’m going to be subscribing - they’ve lost a loyal customer and I suspect I’m not the only one.
Waves gave UP? No, Waves figured out a way to force us into their hated Update Plan. But thanks for the gaslight. I now have a lifetime of plugins I can't update, but there WILL be updated versions?
Propaganda at its worst. The story here is that what you bought will not be update-able. You are starting from scratch with a subscription model. $1500 worth of plugins purchased over time? Who cares? Dude, put on your critical thinking hat and support the people who follow you. This is a bad customer move full stop. No advance communication. No option to buy? No option to update what you bought already? No option to wup and sell what you have already bought? Damn, you witnessed the news and decided to report on Kardashian’s rump. You’ve got to do better than this.
I certainly spent a LOT of money on Waves Plug ins. There's no additional ones that I would want. With this news- It's just another reason to buy hardware. It just got two of the the WA 73 Pre EQs, One WA Tone Beast, two WA 76 Compressors, one WA 2a comp., and the Tegeler Creme. IMO- The hardware sounds better, and I'm the guy that wants to own things outright, and was not happy about the 'update plan' idea, nor would I like a monthly bill, for my music endeavors. What a racket...
At least now I will stop receiving the daily "SALE" emails, this Waves change will help me avoid spending money on Plugins I don't really need 😂😂😂😂 good bye Waves!
I don't use anything subscription period. I don't use anything with a activation code either. I paid for reaper. I use free plugging, not because they are free but because they don't have a access key. I also buy and use outboard gear because it doesn’t require a access key.
That's an interesting way to live life. I assume you are typing this all out on a Linux machine too? Windows uses an access key so that out of the question. MacOS has no key but you don't sound like the kind of person that would want to give Apple any money.
I don't use subscription software as a matter of principle. What happens if you want to return to a project to rework it years from now, and the original software needed for editing or processing is no longer available or supported, or the software company no longer exists?
This may be great for audio engineers but if you are a voice over person or someone with a smaller niche using only certain style of plugins, I don't know if it will be very attractive. Especially if you're starting out.
Imagine your favorite gas station. It's perfect only the management makes you fight a bear (the upgrade thing) to fill your tank. You say, "Man, this is really starting to seem like bullshit..." So the manager says you don't have to fight the bear if you pay a monthly $20 fee. What the hell for? "To feed the bear!" I think there's another gas station around here, somewhere...
6:58 this is a flawed argument though because at the end of those 5 years you would have spent $1250 and end up owning nothing. You would end up spending more if you actually like the products and if you cancelled the subscription none of the projects with plugins active in it would work. It’s always more expensive to be poor
For the few Waves plugins I still use (as a home recording amateur) I'll have to search for an alternative. In particular MV2 and R Bass. As a Reaper user I'm aware I should try out Reaper General Dynamics which apparently does upward compression as well as just about any sort of compression. I read Klevgrand Knorr is an alternative for R bass, but I haven't tried that either. If it is, it's goodbye Waves! Subscription is a reasonable business model for pro studio's, but my guess is that there are more amateurs than pro's out there that use (at least some) paid plugins. Waves might come to regret this move.
@@adamsteelproducer Oh, that would be because we'll eventually not be able to replicate our original signal chain as Operating sytems develop. I'm already looking for a new dynamic EQ because I use F6 in my guitar signal chain and if future-me wants to be able to go back and open up old tones or old projects from yrs earlier I won't be able to properly. Or at the VERY LEAST without great effort.
Unfiltered Audio Bass-Mint can replace Renaissance Bass and produce other interesting effects too. For MV2, not sure if something else matches its simplicity...
There’s never been an OS from Microsoft that has broken support (unlike MacOS). The jump from 32 to 64 bit has already happened and x86 isn’t going anywhere right now, so I think you’re good for a very long time
You've sidestepped the massive elephant - those who have already bought loads of plugins specially recently - nothing for us. For a new fresh user this is fine. For those of us who have bought a load recently... well thats a slap in the face. This could destroy Waves which is also a really stupid mov e for us who don't need these plugins to die. They should have given existing users at least a good discount for a year.
I have always hated Waves because of their plugins' awful performance and ridiculous pricing. So I have gotten used to all the excellent alternatives on the market. The few ones I would be interested in that are a bit harder to replace (Renaissance, MV2, MaxxBass) now definitely are not enough of a reason to buy all 220 plugins with a monthly subscription fee.
Do you have anything in mind for MV2 replacement? I’m probably going to try out ADPTR Audio Scuplt, since I want a broadband upwards compression solution to replace MV2. If you have any suggestions I’d love to hear them.
@@greedokenobi3855 Thanks for the suggestion! 🙏 I am going to have a look at Sculptr! No, I have not found an adequate MV2 alternative. Its magic seems to be hard to replicate. But as I am not in the "it costs a lot, so it must be right and good" crowd like Adam seems to be. In some situations, I love using Reaper's clone of the Oxford Inflator (RC Inflator JS), which is absolutely equal to the original (even nulling it). General Dynamics JS is also able to do Upward Compression, and it is very good at it, though a bit iffy to work with. What I absolutely can recommend are all of the Toneboosters plugins. They are cheap as hell, and are making Fabfilter's plugins look a lot less valuable. Their Compressor 4 or the MBC have some unique tools for Upward Compression, and can do the trick. But again - all this can not "replace" MV2 and its mojo. But they can create great results, in some cases even better ones... 🤷
Thank you for being such a credible, knowledgeable, voice. Waves has to give the consumer the ability to buy an on-sale plugin without having to buy a subscription.
From extortion model a to b. Cool. I own a shitload of their plugins, but can't update them anymore, without having a subscription plan. They finally lost me as a customer.
Be warned if you sign up for a subscription you forfeit all of your current perpetual licenses. plus perpetual users cannot get updates anymore? Not happy with the approach they have taken at all. I am done with them.
There are probably both advantages and disadvantages, personally i dont care since i use Reaper and only use Reapers stock or free plugins and it works great and its not just about the money, i dont feel that i have the need for paid plugins.
they are doing this as it is a cash cow model. They know it, we know it. So make your choice, I kept only UVI as it is one instrument with huge options, but a sub on waves no thanks. In the end you have to make a choice, with all the subs now you spending a huge amount monthly AND yearly AND you own nothing. Sorry for the rant. Rent to own,promos or just a very selective choice what to use. Their list is almost all fx clones of hardware, not much instrument at all. You don't need 200 compressors,eqs,deessers,limiters....if you want a big package that does it all and you own it in the end : Melda Productions, it is monthly more expenive but you do OWN it in the end
You're a Reaper guy, a company that gives you two major versions when you buy a licence (I think I paid two times in 12+ years?) and you're OK with this? The problem is not the subscription plan, which makes sense for a company with as many plugins as they have, but the out of the blue cancelling of any other way to get their plugins and making all their products for their previous customers a ticking time bomb. I would guess many people were waiting for a fully native M1 Protools to renew their WUP. Also the subscription is one activation only.
The truth is that you don't need 100 plugins to do a great mix. These audio companies know this and so they propagate the false narrative that more is better with these subscription models. They are not thinking about the consumer but their pockets.
So, perpetual vs. subscription: I basically own the perpetual license, but, if one goes the route of subscription, what happens to all their plugins if one doesn't keep up monthly payments? Will the plugins, that one got through one of the Access plans, just become non functional?
It's not about them introducing a subscription model. It's about that they FORCE their old customers to enter that subscription model to get their plugins updated. Of course they should have respected their old customers and not saved on having a two option system, like Reason Studios, UAD and so on.
The subscription model makes sense if you own nothing already. It also screws over all the users that own everything already. You are saying its a great deal because it keeps you from spending so much up front, but what about the users who have already spent it and can’t get updates without essentially buying them again with the subscription model? Also the second license is not included with the subscription model. On top of that the host software is currently still perpetual. That means if you have superrack, lv1, and all the plugins your updates were capped at $240 a year. Now to get the same updates and the second license it is $740 a year.
What happens if you only used a few plugins from several different vendors? You would have to pay a fortune between all the different companies just to keep the few you use. I just updated my update subscription for the year so I guess I will not get any updates even though I paid for them. I have been using waves since the 90's but now this pisses me off. What assholes.
The one thing I have to wonder about, is what is the need for updating just because there is one available? Too often it seems that only justification for an update or upgreade is "because." If it doesn't bring a real benefit that justifies the cost, then don't do it.
The sticking point is that we are using the Waves plugins on three computers at the same time. But not all 220 but only 10, which are only in the most expensive version for $24,95. In order to receive updates we would now have to use the subscription model 3 times for a total of $74.85 per month. For something that we have already paid dearly for. Waves just dug her grave. Write on your tombstone: We kicked our regular customers' ass.
I can't see how any sells this as good news.... Firstly 250 a year sub costs more than a year of WUP and when you stop you own nothing. Within a few small years you'll be paying more than if you bought Mercury and did yearly WUPs.
I normally appreciate your videos but I really don't agree with the positive Waves spin in this video. You say that it's good because their normal prices can be too big a hit to pay all at once, and now the average joe gets to pay over time. But this quickly becomes way more expensive, especially if you keep making music for years. Add to that, the fact that the average person buys Waves only on sale, so it was never this "big hit" to begin with, and they might just buy the plugins they need, not all of them. And IF they are the types that took the "big hits" in the past, well guess what, they are gonna have to pay Waves again now and for all eternity in case they just want ONE future plugin from Waves that they'd want to be functional in sessions going forward. The average person will start go elsewhere. On this plus side, this was a true gift to the smaller plugin developers.
I got the email about this, I will never use them again. It sounds great on paper in some scenarios and it really is an easier way to try out their products in the short term, but I don't understand the concept of subscription software from the consumer perspective and I absolutely hate it. I won't do business with any software company that adopts this model under any circumstance.
The problem is, even after you pay for 5 years, YOU STILL DON’T OWN the plugins. Imagine paying full price for your M1 MacBook and having to give it back after two or three years.
The subscription model really sucks. If it was just one, two or maybe three subscriptions allowing you to work without the need for something else, only then this method would make sense to me. But when you add every fucking tool that is going to improve your work from so many different companies it’s just absurd! Lots of money! The companies that allow you to choose between subscription and one payment license, have at least a more decent and friendly approach. And if you consider that many Waves costumers have already spent mor than 1000 dollars in plugins, plus the update plan, is just a kick in the ass.
Make it optional... You can still buy Slate perpetual licences... I wanted the de breather and the drum leveller. I'll be looking elsewhere. And won't be using Waves anymore. Other than what I have.
Waves, can I get my money back for the last 20 years of buying TWO "perpetual" subscription licenses (for my 2 separate studio systems)????? Oh, and do you know the meaning of the word PERPETUAL??????? RIP WAVES!!!!
Check whether the video creator you are watching is an affiliate seller - is there a link in the subscription? Voice your concerns directly to Waves Audio : Gilad Keren, Nir Kozlovsky, Meir Shaashua, Yoad Nevo and others. Real people. Real decisions.
This is both great news and terrible news. I wish they had done it the way slate does where you can do either the perpetual license OR the subscription, even if the perpetual never had “sales” again. Subscription only is part of the reason a lot of creators dumped premier pro, as a reminder, and for people that only need 1 or 2 plugins 25 a month is a lot
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I am a hobbyist, goddamnit! I don't make a living with my music, it's for me, something I love an care about. On the other hand I have a family and must contribute to every penny I spent on stuff. At the end of the day: fuck you Waves, we surely go parted ways from here on.
This. It may be ok for one subscription or whatever but they add up.
Same here! Many other GREAT alternatives these days like Plugin Alliance... I only own mv2 and while I was considering several others like harmony waves is dead to me now... Besides, I've got 2000 plugins... This helps. Fuck um
Good thing there are plenty of other plugin makers out there willing to actually sell a product instead of renting it lol
100% Agree with you.....Couldn't have said it ANY BETTER
If I had to guess I'd say big portion of their customer base falls into that category, either hobbyist or producers/engineers who have a second job to pay for the other. Then there are the big boys who most likely have free access to everything as long as they are willing to make favourable comments about every new plugin.
canceling individual sales of perpetual licenses is really hitting me in the sack right now.
There was only like 3 plug ins left I even wanted from them, now behind a 250 a year subscription forever? Fuck that
@@xanderlurks Gotchu. Name them, I'll name better alternatives with better tech instantly.
@ibrahim47x Ovox but it was a toss up between that or vocalsynth 2 so I guess that wins lol other than that some of the CLA compressors looked useful but I haven't needed them so far lol
@@xanderlurks Say less. Yeah, iZotope's Vocalsynth outperforms Ovoxx by a long shot, there's also Exhale by Output which outperorms both but is very much reflected in the price. My new favorite is Augmented Voices by Aruria although it's not a live engine, it works on samples and you can feed it custom ones. As fas as the CLA comps, you just need better emulations of the FET 76 and the LA-2A compressors, and Waves's emulations of those are actullay amnogst the worst and oldest compared with emulation tech available today. For the FET 76, Arturia makes a great emulation, so does Plugin Alliance with the MC77, Black Rooster's VLA-FET, as well as Plusar's audio smasher, and those are just few great ones of many out there. And to replace the CLA-2A, there's oh so many LA-2A emulations just like the FET 76, Arturia's TUBE STA, Plugin Alliance's Brainworx bx_opto, and Black Rooster Audio VLA-2A are some of my personal favorites.
And I believe if you sub at any point you instantly lose your perpetual licenses.
Goodbye waves! Happy to have awesome friends at Plugin-Alliance.
Same thing I said plus Plugin Alliance has better plugins in my opinion no one is touching their SSL Channel strips
Agreed. You can also finance certain plugins through Zzounds's payment plan, they've got the whole FabFilter bundle. So there's an option for other great perpetual licenses.
LOL PA vs Waves R u kiddin?
PA plugins might be good enough for beginners, but...
@@najinelson6742 Use whatever is right for you and what makes you happy
@@najinelson6742 Idk why you say beginners PA's plugins are top notch and what makes their plugins so beginner if I may ask because some of the biggest industry engineers use PA plugins and they definitely aren't beginners
Thanks for the update - this is terrible news.
Yes terrible indeed. This is even worse than the WUP. I’ll use what I have as long as I can (since updating them won’t be possible anymore) and then I’ll seriously ‘wave’ them goodbye. I refuse to let them force me to subscribe.
@@greedokenobi3855 Pretty much how I feel. There's some Waves plugins I enjoy but a lot of them I could get a similar thing from other plugins I'd rather just be able to buy up front and hang on to.
I own 90% of the Mercury bundle and have paid Waves a lot of $$ over the years to keep them up to date. Rarely are their plugins among my favorites, although there are several I use regularly and I value owning them. I'm inclined to keep using my perpetual licenses until I can't. At the point they no longer work for me, I will decide if I want to subscribe for the ten or so plugins I still actually use. Likely not.
Careful if you do subscribe steve.. I read the T&Cs and it says that if you subscribes you lose all of you perpetual licences.. Insane..
do yourself a favor and dont subscribe.
Just on of the ‘Naysayers’ here.
I would have had no issue with Waves adding a subscription alongside perpetual licences.
The issue is that some of us don’t want every single plugin Waves has ever made (some of which are old hat nowadays), and we like to pick and choose the plugins that are beneficial to us.
Some of us like to actually own things!
You never own software. If a dev decides to stop developing and maintenance, it's a question of time when the software won't work any more. Some software could stop working immediately if you have to have an online connection. And this will happen more and more in future, some devs will get old or die!
I have ZERO intention of paying Waves what amounts to $35 CAD per month for the rest of my life. I have already spent a small fortune with these guys for what amounts to a license on ONE machine, while others allow you 3 to 5 authentications. Goodbye Waves.
I totally feel the same and have spent literally thousands to build up to the Mercury+Studio Classics and Abbey Road Bundles. I feel like they are now like old automobiles that will only last a few years longer. Thanks for YOUR loyalty Waves!
Somebody should create a series of videos showing the best alternatives for each and every Waves plugin.
I’ve noticed some Waves-alternatives lists are going around, this is one I happen to stumble on.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1--yRZdWro_d28LmYNvaWsVct7CR6Y_KAULFU8wZ4SEI/htmlview?fbclid=IwAR2LLmfGQ6O46m86mpmTRO_-hSKBhLGaoxo4hNrYoLwLrZFr6jQgdkRnMSk#gid=0
The lack of communication or notice from waves on this was awful. They have left so many people in the mud.
just proves that they REALLY never gave a shit about us as a consumer....well FUCK THEM!!!!
Yes! No heads up to go ahead and checkout your buy list before this happened.
if they won't let us buy it, can we feel bad for stealing it?
I'm a Mercury owner with WUP until 2024. But now I won't get any new plugins added to the bundle and won't get an automatic upgrade to v15 is it's released in the next 12 months. Thanks Waves. Dicks.
I have almost every Waves plugins which now will one day be obsolete because they have done away with their update plan. They're not going to force me to pay them $300 a year when I've already paid them thousands. They have dumped their base who have been loyal to them over the years.
Exactly my case--I have also paid them thousands--remember with CLA or the other artist series plugins came out, how expensive they were but we had to have them? Soon, we were within striking range of a Mercury bundle, then adding the Studio Classics bundle via upgrade, then buying each Abbey Road plugin until that bundle was within striking range. Now, that value we built up will be GONE! Thanks a lot for YOUR loyalty to us Waves!
I use the Waves NS1 and De-esser a ton. The update plan was a pain but I can't imagine paying a monthly fee for just a few basic tools, but I'm glad to hear I'll be able to hold on to what I already own. Just another reason I love Logic so much. One purchase and a lifetime of fantastic bundled plugins.
I gotta say, I'm not particularly happy about this change. I do understand why - more money for Waves certainly.
@@JasonCGuitarOfficial the tough spot there is that Apple rolls out a new OS every year. To get those Final Cut Updates and Logic updates you have to jump on the bandwagon. If the Izotope RX 10 Elements will work with Final Cut I'm going to make the switch.
They can stick that idea right where the "Waves break" as far as the V.O. industry is concerned then, & I see their site has crashed......
Yes their NS1 & De-breath are well used amongst my peers but they''ll no doubt be recommending other manufacturers to newbies from now on. Even the cheapest "bundle" doesn't make sense for anyone requiring such a limited number for this niche. < 4 months rental vs those 2 for ever at the usual "sale price" just doesn't stack up.
Problem is I don't need 220 plugins. I need what I purchased and that's it. So that "value" isn't there for somebody like me. I'll continue to use my Waves plugins till they are no longer compatible with my OS and then just not use Waves anymore. I don't like subscriptions and if they are going to force me into a subscription, then I'll just move on. Subscriptions generate good money for companies, but it is a slow drain on the consumer wallet.
I feel particularly shafted as in 2022 I went back to doing live touring and forked out thousands on software like Superrack, TRACT, plugin bundles, server etc etc.
If there was any inkling that a sub model was coming I would have saved a fortune. All this done without any hint is a real kick in a nads for customers like me.
This. Spent a fortune. Now sadness.😢
I think you are the only one who is happy about this. Everyone else is like no, we dont want it.
We should resist shit like this. We can't be saying "oh It's just the way it is now in 2023". These big corporations are not our friend, they just wanna milk the costumers.
This is one of the reasons I support the little guys. Bought the klanghelm MJUC for compression duties. Stillwell rocket for 1176. And Sonimus Burnley for 1073 stuff. That’s all I’ve ever paid money for, as Reaper has everything else.
And of course, only a fool wouldn’t download the TDR free package and use NOVA on just about everything.
My amateur $.02
TDR Plugins are a no-brainer. Love them
Hate it! Basically I have all the waves plug-ins I want, so now I will have to pay $300 a year just to keep them current. This really sucks for the little guys…
If you have all the plugins you want. They’re probably going to keep working for many years…
@@adamsteelproducer Until you buy a new computer!
Well too bad. I liked Waves and wanted to slowly obtain more as time went on, but I HATE subscriptions. I suppose they wont miss my meager hobbiest/solo act coin. Waves is dead to me, but like Thanos, they don't even know who I am.
Agree with every word. They won't miss your money, or mine. But combine that with everyone else's?.. It's unfortunate.
You are not alone, I would say 90% or more people are not happy about this.
I've been phasing out Waves plugins from my pallet for several years now....screw them.
It used to be that Waves were the the best options for the native users. This is no longer the case, as there are so many amazing alternatives and great developers out there competing for your money.
I think the problem that is not being addressed with this move by waves, is that, it almost seems now like the reason for them to drastically drop the prices of their plugins for the last few years was to suck people in to buying all this stuff knowing they were going to go to a subscription base model. If you offer somebody something at an affordable price more people are going to jump on, but would they have even bought those plugins if they were told we're going to a new business model in a few years, and you'll never be able to update those plugins that you paid for. They will eventually become obsolete unless you jump into the subscription-based model at that point. It feels like the only reason that they went from exorbitant costs to dirt cheap was the basically sneak attack people. These are business people. Don't think for a second that they didn't do this on purpose. Or at least don't think that they couldn't have thought it up. I think the part that people with a lot of their plugins are pissed off about, is the fact that they've told all of us that we don't matter. Thanks for buying all of our stuff, oh by the way we're completely making it so you have no choice. It's either you go Subscription model, or enjoy what you paid for while they last. Someone starting out will benefit greatly, no one is arguing the point of the value that this offers. It's really just those of us who have purchased a lot of their products, and want to continue being able to get our updates when we need them. The update plans never bothered me as I never needed to update my operating system that often. I've been using waves plugins for 10 years and I've only needed the update plan twice. I don't see any reason why waves can't leave that part alone for the rest of us that don't need the subscription. We just want to be able to update when we need. I don't really think that's too hard to do or too much to ask for. Sorry for the rant, this is obviously a fresh wound lol 😂
All the people that cracked those plugins gotta be smiling right now 🤣🤣🤣
I'm done with Waves and have no intention of paying a monthly fee for the one or two Waves plugins I use. In fact, as of today, I will not be using any Waves plugins in any new sessions as I plan to completely wean myself from their plugins. There are just so many other options out there. Still, I'm grateful to Waves in that they've helped me begin the process of pairing down my plugin purchases and usage. Too many choices leads to indecision. :)
It’s going to be easy! I know I never missed mine!
Thank you Adam :) This is how the big fish want to live peacefully and the small ones to survive every month and that's what they call FREEDOM ;) I see how Adobe tries to update their software and other companies get lazy when they have a constant flow of food. Honestly, they would leave an option to buy individual plugins, for those people who are addicted to new plugins, because they are losing me as a customer for now. Plugin Alliance at least gives you a chance to get something for your money in the end, and that's fair, I think!
I had already abandoned Waves due to their greedy update policy; this move by them only goes to endorse my decision.
Removing perpetual licenses with no way (or advanced warning) of updating them now and ever again is probably the worst business decision they could make.
Like others, I am now going to start phasing out the last few plugins I use like others. Never subs only.
“You’ll own nothing and like it.”
Its been that way with software for at least a decade, ownership of code is a lost concept that doesn’t help these days except to inflate the ego. My mixes don’t sound any different if I “own the plugins”
@@adamsteelproducerThat's such a bad mindset.
The plugins I already bought are all I wanted, I am not paying a subscription just to use them. I feel ripped off and don't want anything to do with Waves. This is not ideal for hobbyist at all.
You don’t have to pay any more to use the plugins you own. You own them. Why do you feel ripped off?
@@adamsteelproducer Because the old versions will not be compatible with future operating systems. The old update plan sucked but at least I could update them without being forced to pay every month/year. Eventually if I want to keep using them I will have to subscribe.
@@adamsteelproducer *Own them for the current operating system/computer. How would you feel if someone set a time bomb on all the hardware you own that will go off in 5 years? tick tock ....
@@improvewitherror Got nothing to do with the operating system, they all work windows 10, 11 and will work on 12 when it comes out, vst2 and vst3 will always be vst2 and vst3, why would they not work on future operating systems?
@@rdalcroft3934 The older versions do not work natively with M1 Mac, they run through Rosetta, which is basically a middle man taking up extra resources. As of right now they still work with Windows but things will eventually change as technology improves and they will no longer work.
Makes sense, but sad a ton of places are going subscription model. The 25 dollars a month is 300 a year, just not worth it for me.
I’ve bought loads of Waves plugins over the years, but I’m not going to be one of their rent boys.
Any computer can be repaired. Waves going for the throat. I'm so happy to not need to conduct business with Waves.
And every computer will be out of date and need replacing with something you pay for eventually…?
@@adamsteelproducer True but that need not matter. There are tools now like yabridge and the like that make running VSTs on linux a pretty solid experience these days. Tools like yabridge and winvst/carla have taken away much of the pain out of WINE configuration. In a nutshell they give your plugins a windows API which remains unchanged with OS updates. Couple that with the fact that Linux now has really nice DAWs available as well (Reaper, Bitwig, Ardour/Harrison Mixbus) I think it might be a good time to try out Linux for audio/music. Oh and decent sampler is now a thing too if you need virtual instruments/sample libraries.
“You won’t lose the plugins you’ve bought.”
Yet………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Bingo! This is the most anti-consumer company I've ever witnessed.
The struggle be real.
They just lost me as a customer.
Let’s say you bought an average of one plugin a year at $39.99 on sale - they could lose 6 of you and gain just one subscriber and still make more money.
So basically fck the little guy? All these " it's only $12 a month " things add up really fast.
@@adamsteelproducer I don't do subscriptions as a matter of principle, not interested in their plans or your maths.
@@HOBBITSODYSSEY yea, thats a good principle
@@masterofreality230 endless continuous payments for something you will never own is just unthinkable to me. I only pay for perpetual licences.
If they'd given people the choice to buy individual plugins or subscription/both then that'd be cool. I bet Plugin Alliance are rubbing their hands right now!!! I've not seen 1 existing Waves plugin user make a positive comment so far on this out of the blue move from Waves in any video about this! At least Plugin Alliance give you 10 plugins to keep each year for being a loyal customer.
There's analog obsession, there's ik multimedia, there's plugin alliance, there are also your stock plugins remember? Everyone chill out. It's not the end of the world😂
I own 150 waves plug ins and you mean to say I can’t update them in the future ?
Well you can, you just have to pay $300 EVERY YEAR to do so. I’ve never jumped on the Waves hate-wagon before, but there’s no way I’m going to be subscribing - they’ve lost a loyal customer and I suspect I’m not the only one.
@@Tony-yp7ok Agree with every word.
Waves gave UP? No, Waves figured out a way to force us into their hated Update Plan. But thanks for the gaslight. I now have a lifetime of plugins I can't update, but there WILL be updated versions?
This is just the straw that broke the camel's back. Good bye Waves. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Waves screwed us. All purchased plugins are worthless now because there are no more updates
I'm using my DAWs plugins from now on this made me realize how much I never needed external plugins
Well, I guess this is one company I am never going to get products from if they're going to go with a stupid subscription none-sense.
Propaganda at its worst. The story here is that what you bought will not be update-able. You are starting from scratch with a subscription model. $1500 worth of plugins purchased over time? Who cares? Dude, put on your critical thinking hat and support the people who follow you. This is a bad customer move full stop. No advance communication. No option to buy? No option to update what you bought already? No option to wup and sell what you have already bought? Damn, you witnessed the news and decided to report on Kardashian’s rump. You’ve got to do better than this.
Great story!!
Kept in your account? Until WUP expires. We should be able to update the licenses we purchased.
9:30 nope, the subscription only includes a single license.
I've been a Waves user since the mid 90s when the L1 came out (on a 3,5" floppy disc). But now I'm out. Bye, bye, Waves!
I certainly spent a LOT of money on Waves Plug ins. There's no additional ones that I would want. With this news- It's just another reason to buy hardware. It just got two of the the WA 73 Pre EQs, One WA Tone Beast, two WA 76 Compressors, one WA 2a comp., and the Tegeler Creme. IMO- The hardware sounds better, and I'm the guy that wants to own things outright, and was not happy about the 'update plan' idea, nor would I like a monthly bill, for my music endeavors. What a racket...
At least now I will stop receiving the daily "SALE" emails, this Waves change will help me avoid spending money on Plugins I don't really need 😂😂😂😂 good bye Waves!
I don't use anything subscription period.
I don't use anything with a activation code either.
I paid for reaper. I use free plugging, not because they are free but because they don't have a access key.
I also buy and use outboard gear because it doesn’t require a access key.
That's an interesting way to live life. I assume you are typing this all out on a Linux machine too? Windows uses an access key so that out of the question. MacOS has no key but you don't sound like the kind of person that would want to give Apple any money.
R.i.P. Waves
Imagine if you brought everything but anything new you'd have to get the ultimate subscription
Plus everything you own, you can now no longer sell, since it's resell value is $0.
I don't use subscription software as a matter of principle. What happens if you want to return to a project to rework it years from now, and the original software needed for editing or processing is no longer available or supported, or the software company no longer exists?
This may be great for audio engineers but if you are a voice over person or someone with a smaller niche using only certain style of plugins, I don't know if it will be very attractive. Especially if you're starting out.
There are plenty of great alternatives, for real. And no shady business models attached.
Waves can get screwed, they’ve lost a customer in me
This is insane!!
It’s a bit mad isn’t it! But it’s good that they finally went for it, they probably had enough of the perpetual sales 😂
Imagine your favorite gas station. It's perfect only the management makes you fight a bear (the upgrade thing) to fill your tank. You say, "Man, this is really starting to seem like bullshit..." So the manager says you don't have to fight the bear if you pay a monthly $20 fee. What the hell for? "To feed the bear!" I think there's another gas station around here, somewhere...
6:58 this is a flawed argument though because at the end of those 5 years you would have spent $1250 and end up owning nothing. You would end up spending more if you actually like the products and if you cancelled the subscription none of the projects with plugins active in it would work. It’s always more expensive to be poor
Subscriptions make me feel like I don't really own the software.
I left Waves three years ago and I have not looked back since.
For the few Waves plugins I still use (as a home recording amateur) I'll have to search for an alternative. In particular MV2 and R Bass. As a Reaper user I'm aware I should try out Reaper General Dynamics which apparently does upward compression as well as just about any sort of compression. I read Klevgrand Knorr is an alternative for R bass, but I haven't tried that either.
If it is, it's goodbye Waves!
Subscription is a reasonable business model for pro studio's, but my guess is that there are more amateurs than pro's out there that use (at least some) paid plugins. Waves might come to regret this move.
Why search for alternatives? Just use what you own
@@adamsteelproducer Oh, that would be because we'll eventually not be able to replicate our original signal chain as Operating sytems develop. I'm already looking for a new dynamic EQ because I use F6 in my guitar signal chain and if future-me wants to be able to go back and open up old tones or old projects from yrs earlier I won't be able to properly. Or at the VERY LEAST without great effort.
Unfiltered Audio Bass-Mint can replace Renaissance Bass and produce other interesting effects too. For MV2, not sure if something else matches its simplicity...
@@adamsteelproducer That will work - probably for a few more years until it won't under Windows 12 or whatever.......
There’s never been an OS from Microsoft that has broken support (unlike MacOS). The jump from 32 to 64 bit has already happened and x86 isn’t going anywhere right now, so I think you’re good for a very long time
You've sidestepped the massive elephant - those who have already bought loads of plugins specially recently - nothing for us. For a new fresh user this is fine. For those of us who have bought a load recently... well thats a slap in the face. This could destroy Waves which is also a really stupid mov e for us who don't need these plugins to die.
They should have given existing users at least a good discount for a year.
R.I.P Waves!!!
I have always hated Waves because of their plugins' awful performance and ridiculous pricing. So I have gotten used to all the excellent alternatives on the market. The few ones I would be interested in that are a bit harder to replace (Renaissance, MV2, MaxxBass) now definitely are not enough of a reason to buy all 220 plugins with a monthly subscription fee.
Do you have anything in mind for MV2 replacement? I’m probably going to try out ADPTR Audio Scuplt, since I want a broadband upwards compression solution to replace MV2. If you have any suggestions I’d love to hear them.
@@greedokenobi3855 Thanks for the suggestion! 🙏 I am going to have a look at Sculptr!
No, I have not found an adequate MV2 alternative. Its magic seems to be hard to replicate.
But as I am not in the "it costs a lot, so it must be right and good" crowd like Adam seems to be. In some situations, I love using Reaper's clone of the Oxford Inflator (RC Inflator JS), which is absolutely equal to the original (even nulling it). General Dynamics JS is also able to do Upward Compression, and it is very good at it, though a bit iffy to work with.
What I absolutely can recommend are all of the Toneboosters plugins. They are cheap as hell, and are making Fabfilter's plugins look a lot less valuable. Their Compressor 4 or the MBC have some unique tools for Upward Compression, and can do the trick.
But again - all this can not "replace" MV2 and its mojo. But they can create great results, in some cases even better ones... 🤷
@@ragismrotzrochen5776 Thank you too for your suggestions!
Thank you for being such a credible, knowledgeable, voice. Waves has to give the consumer the ability to buy an on-sale plugin without having to buy a subscription.
From extortion model a to b. Cool. I own a shitload of their plugins, but can't update them anymore, without having a subscription plan. They finally lost me as a customer.
Me too
F##k em. Back to hardware.
i can t believe it. Good bye Waves
Be warned if you sign up for a subscription you forfeit all of your current perpetual licenses. plus perpetual users cannot get updates anymore? Not happy with the approach they have taken at all. I am done with them.
There are probably both advantages and disadvantages, personally i dont care since i use Reaper and only use Reapers stock or free plugins and it works great and its not just about the money, i dont feel that i have the need for paid plugins.
And no WUP. So doesn’t matter that you keep your perpetual.
they are doing this as it is a cash cow model. They know it, we know it. So make your choice, I kept only UVI as it is one instrument with huge options, but a sub on waves no thanks. In the end you have to make a choice, with all the subs now you spending a huge amount monthly AND yearly AND you own nothing. Sorry for the rant. Rent to own,promos or just a very selective choice what to use. Their list is almost all fx clones of hardware, not much instrument at all. You don't need 200 compressors,eqs,deessers,limiters....if you want a big package that does it all and you own it in the end : Melda Productions, it is monthly more expenive but you do OWN it in the end
You're a Reaper guy, a company that gives you two major versions when you buy a licence (I think I paid two times in 12+ years?) and you're OK with this?
The problem is not the subscription plan, which makes sense for a company with as many plugins as they have, but the out of the blue cancelling of any other way to get their plugins and making all their products for their previous customers a ticking time bomb. I would guess many people were waiting for a fully native M1 Protools to renew their WUP.
Also the subscription is one activation only.
The truth is that you don't need 100 plugins to do a great mix. These audio companies know this and so they propagate the false narrative that more is better with these subscription models. They are not thinking about the consumer but their pockets.
So, perpetual vs. subscription: I basically own the perpetual license, but, if one goes the route of subscription, what happens to all their plugins if one doesn't keep up monthly payments? Will the plugins, that one got through one of the Access plans, just become non functional?
It's not about them introducing a subscription model. It's about that they FORCE their old customers to enter that subscription model to get their plugins updated.
Of course they should have respected their old customers and not saved on having a two option system, like Reason Studios, UAD and so on.
Subscriptions are not the prescription.
The subscription model makes sense if you own nothing already. It also screws over all the users that own everything already. You are saying its a great deal because it keeps you from spending so much up front, but what about the users who have already spent it and can’t get updates without essentially buying them again with the subscription model? Also the second license is not included with the subscription model. On top of that the host software is currently still perpetual. That means if you have superrack, lv1, and all the plugins your updates were capped at $240 a year. Now to get the same updates and the second license it is $740 a year.
You must get a big kickback from @Waves for shilling this subscription plan when it is universally hated.
Yeah I must do. Riiiiiiight.
You could buy almost by 12 plugins for what you pay for the year subscription . See ya waves
Horrible & MASSIVELY DISLOYAL to their longtime customers. They're SERIOUSLY messing up right now & it's gonna hurt them BIG TIME.
What happens if you only used a few plugins from several different vendors? You would have to pay a fortune between all the different companies just to keep the few you use. I just updated my update subscription for the year so I guess I will not get any updates even though I paid for them. I have been using waves since the 90's but now this pisses me off. What assholes.
That’s me finished with waves.
The one thing I have to wonder about, is what is the need for updating just because there is one available? Too often it seems that only justification for an update or upgreade is "because." If it doesn't bring a real benefit that justifies the cost, then don't do it.
The sticking point is that we are using the Waves plugins on three computers at the same time. But not all 220 but only 10, which are only in the most expensive version for $24,95. In order to receive updates we would now have to use the subscription model 3 times for a total of $74.85 per month. For something that we have already paid dearly for. Waves just dug her grave. Write on your tombstone: We kicked our regular customers' ass.
I can't see how any sells this as good news....
Firstly 250 a year sub costs more than a year of WUP and when you stop you own nothing.
Within a few small years you'll be paying more than if you bought Mercury and did yearly WUPs.
I normally appreciate your videos but I really don't agree with the positive Waves spin in this video. You say that it's good because their normal prices can be too big a hit to pay all at once, and now the average joe gets to pay over time. But this quickly becomes way more expensive, especially if you keep making music for years. Add to that, the fact that the average person buys Waves only on sale, so it was never this "big hit" to begin with, and they might just buy the plugins they need, not all of them. And IF they are the types that took the "big hits" in the past, well guess what, they are gonna have to pay Waves again now and for all eternity in case they just want ONE future plugin from Waves that they'd want to be functional in sessions going forward. The average person will start go elsewhere. On this plus side, this was a true gift to the smaller plugin developers.
pay forever and nvr own a single plugin fck waves im done
The end of me buying waves plugins🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Affiliates gonna affiliate.
According to Waves, you would still need to transfer licenses via USB stick if you plan on using their plugins on more than 1 computer.
okay that's it - i'm finding alternatives as of now
I got the email about this, I will never use them again. It sounds great on paper in some scenarios and it really is an easier way to try out their products in the short term, but I don't understand the concept of subscription software from the consumer perspective and I absolutely hate it. I won't do business with any software company that adopts this model under any circumstance.
The problem is, even after you pay for 5 years, YOU STILL DON’T OWN the plugins.
Imagine paying full price for your M1 MacBook and having to give it back after two or three years.
The subscription model really sucks. If it was just one, two or maybe three subscriptions allowing you to work without the need for something else, only then this method would make sense to me. But when you add every fucking tool that is going to improve your work from so many different companies it’s just absurd! Lots of money! The companies that allow you to choose between subscription and one payment license, have at least a more decent and friendly approach. And if you consider that many Waves costumers have already spent mor than 1000 dollars in plugins, plus the update plan, is just a kick in the ass.
This is a D move, they are never getting another cent from me
I got suckered into a Slate subscription once won't happen again
Goodbye Waves Audio
Subscriptions good for music and movies not plugins.
RIP WAVES!
Make it optional...
You can still buy Slate perpetual licences...
I wanted the de breather and the drum leveller. I'll be looking elsewhere. And won't be using Waves anymore. Other than what I have.
Waves, can I get my money back for the last 20 years of buying TWO "perpetual" subscription licenses (for my 2 separate studio systems)????? Oh, and do you know the meaning of the word PERPETUAL??????? RIP WAVES!!!!
Check whether the video creator you are watching is an affiliate seller - is there a link in the subscription? Voice your concerns directly to Waves Audio : Gilad Keren, Nir Kozlovsky, Meir Shaashua, Yoad Nevo and others. Real people. Real decisions.
This is both great news and terrible news. I wish they had done it the way slate does where you can do either the perpetual license OR the subscription, even if the perpetual never had “sales” again. Subscription only is part of the reason a lot of creators dumped premier pro, as a reminder, and for people that only need 1 or 2 plugins 25 a month is a lot
There's nothing ''great news'' about renting plugins wtf