480+Hp from a Budget 355! Vortec Head's w/ Flat Tappet Cam
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- Flat Tappet w/Vortec Heads 355 (11:1 Compression) on the Dyno! The Dingle Ball 355 is back and better than ever!
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Some of the Part Used
Single Plane Intake Used
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Summit Cam
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Lifters
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Holley 750
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Valve Covers
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Not dissapointed at all. Anything over 400 hp on a budget with used parts is something to be proud of. Keep it up !
I was happy with anything over 450hp/440tq
Nice little street engine. I think a lot more people are building budget engines these days and really appreciate the effort you put into making these videos. Good work as always 👏 👍.
Thank you appreciate that!
In a world full of 1000hp Ls, coyote, and power adders. It's nice to see some old school getting revisited. 👍
Got a 355 sbc in my 1991 s10. I can’t wait to dyno it
Love to see the parts list.
Yes, do a video breakdown of the parts on dingleball 355.
That power on the cheap is nothing to be sneezed at.
Yes I would like to see the part list..
The best engine ever made you can do so many different set ups on the 350 the most iconic engine ever made wouldn't trade it for any other engine ever made
I recall a DV article probably decades ago where he made 470 with a 355 and Vortec heads. If memory serves (I’m old), he used a 236° cam with 108 LSA, just a bit shorter than yours. Very impressive results regardless! Thanks!
I ran this exact motor combination in my dirt car. I turned 7200 all night long. Never no issues
That 300hp at 3500 rpm is very impressive.
Its approx 300hp by 3800 to 3900 rpm on most pulls
Sickness...great job on the HP number. Love how this reminds everyone how good the SBC is.
I'm impressed that 11 to 1 CR played nice with less than 100 octane. I've always heard no more than 10-10.5 to 1 on CR with iron heads - for pump gas/street-driven engines.
Ive done 11:1 before with vortecs but was worried with the dyno load it might detonate. We tuned it up with VP additive mix, but it actually made the best power on 94 octane at 35 deg. I wish I had brought more of the VP mix as it would have probably have taken more timing. Maybe get abit more out of it with few more degrees and a tapered combo spacer on higher octane
Excellent work Pat.
This is why it wouldn't work on a heavier vehicle? Detonation?
Can’t wait for the roller cam version. I’m currently building a vortec 350 with summit racing 8803 cam and aluminum heads.
Thats really impressive considering what it is. I know some 383's that struggle to achieve at least hp numbers this has made. With vortec heads..awesome. Love your channel!
Super impressive numbers using mostly stock components (cam and intake not included of course). You must have got the porting just right for the combo. Adding compression sure builds power. Nicely done sir!!
Thank you!
Nice job! Very similar to my 327-street engine. I use a cam with better idle vacuum and take the hit on HP, but otherwise very similar. Using Dart 2 heads instead of the Vortec units also. I am looking forward to the carb vs injection results. If not port injection, I prefer the double-pumper Holley 4150 every time.
Very similar but shorter stroke, different cam, and different heads, sounds almost identical to me!!!
Hence the word similar, not identical. : )@@jcanfixall1585
67 pulls? Damn, about ready for a rebuild!! After 150 passes, I rebuild mine! :)
Thanks Patrick, love the video and the detailed info, great stuff!! We're going to be switching over to a SBC format from the BBC we run now next season for our bracket vehicle, so all of this info is really a big help! 💪
I was worried cutting the oil filter apart after 67 pulls, but she looked clean 👌
@@cuttersperformance what headgaskets do you recommend for vortec heads on a 355 with flat tops 4 valve reliefs?
Thank you so much for including the idle vacuum numbers! I like my power brakes.
Nice job! That new summit cam is money!! Their new grinds are actually legit...Thanks for sharing..
That spray distribution looks great!
Been waiting on this video, I'm going to try that summit cam in a 400 sb with vortec heads
Right on! I plan on using the Sum-1204 with possibly some Rhodes lifters on a 406. Should be a potent street motor
With a 400ci you may want to step up a size on the cam, 45 more ci to fill...
Super grateful I found your channel. Im using it as a guide for my low budget Vortec build. Love the content!
Really like the video I would love to build the same exact engine. And put it in my S-10 keep up the good work.
Amazing knocking on 500HP. :)
Keep it up! Best automotive channel out there
Definitely not, but I appreciate it haha
Those are crazy good numbers for that combo.
I would have been quite happy if he got in the 460s. 480s was a nice suprise
Nice work! That vortec headed 355 makes some power. Looking foward to more details on the dyno pulls.
That's a very nice 350!
Thatll b a hard charging lil engine, nice job
So glad to see some more content. Love the sbc stuff. U should build a gen2. They're damn near the same
Awesome 👌 Great work Pat!
Sbc ls and big block chevy. The king of all forms of racing
that would be a nice motor for my s10 build, cant wait for the roller version
Wow that's definitely the power range I was hoping for in a hydraulic flat tappet. I did however think that it would remain power brake friendly but nothing a vac pump can't cure which then makes it very streetable. Excellent post my dude!💪🏽💪🏽🤛🏾😎🏁🏁🏁
Or even better Hydraboost brakes! I knew the vacuum would be low on this one, considering it has 89 deg of overlap
Just switch to manual brakes. That's what I did on my '71 Camaro. I got tired of dealing with the hassle.
@@Carl_Jr I'll have to look into this because I already purchased cam.
@@steelcitycaprice.899 I got my conversion at Motion Raceworks.
@@steelcitycaprice.899 Can always test with a good sized vacuum can first. Inexpensive, easy to install, and you can adjust the cannister size for your application/brake feel.
Wow! Definitely a sleeper with the factory Vortec heads. The exhaust might be a giveaway though.
I guessed 437 hp and 427 torque I believe. I was off by nearly 10% on the hp! Very impressive! Can't wait for the parts list.
Would also love to see a version for heavier street vehicles. 👍
Dingle ball 2.0. Only 10:1 with less duration but more lift and a roller cam
@@cuttersperformance can't wait!
Great content on the venerable small block Chevy. Thank you!
Stout for a basic sbc, nice job putting the combination together.
Really enjoyed your video Pat, awesome combination and exactly what I'm looking for, I have Dart SS 165 cfm heads on mine and will be swapping pistons for 11:1 compression. Those numbers are awesome for a budget build, My little coupe only weighs 2200 lbs so even 450 hp would be pretty quick for a street car, thanks for posting, and you have a new sub.
Thank you appreciate the sub! 450hp at 2200lbs will be a riot 🤘🏻
I ran a 383 stroker with 87 octane on a hot day at the dragstrip to a 12.3 @117, 87 octane on 11.2/1. Long rod, vortec heads. Anyway that is an inspirational build you have there! I am currently building a 327 with 6.125 rods, and 350(6'" rod) pistons, gonna use one of those summit 4/7 cams you used but maybe a little smaller, looking for 425hp in an 86 IROC.
It looked and sounded really cool on the dyno, nice to meet you!
Thanks man, maybe see you again at Luke's
@@cuttersperformance Probably! 😅
I put a set of vortec heads and an edelbrock dual plane. With srp flat tops. And an isky r.v. cam. Back in the late 90s . In my 78 pick up and it made a big difference. But nothing like what you just created. I miss old school mouses.
That’s a stout motor, nicely done
Thanks Jimmy!
Great torque curve, especially for a single plane intake.
That 108° cam really works
Good build brother
Thank you!
Try afr 220 and 11.1 and 525 might be possible
Bloodviking
Yeah, I'd like to see the parts list, too. Great channel by the way, thanks for all you do.
Pat The new shop look is 🤩💪🏻👍🏻🏁.
Thanks man!
Pretty nice for a low buck 350, I'm building a factory hydraulic roller block to do the same thing. I already have some aluminum heads though. I'm hoping to get 500
I love these videos! Show the hp when he do any upgrades!
Very nice,like to see the parts list also thanks,nice build!!
Thank you for sharing all your hard work
Looking forward to the carb/sniper comparison
Vortex heads they abuse air so well
Please do a video on breaking in flat tappet cams with todays modern oils.
Almost everyone I know of today has sworn off FT cams due to failure percentages. You obviously haven’t, so please let us know your procedures, and oil recommendations.
I was thinking that might be a good video series. I have a few more flat tappet builds in the works
Nice combo: should be happy in front of a 4 speed. Maybe a touch too much overlap for me as a street build, but... soft easy ramps on that should be worry free for a long time. I would be tempted to compare to a 288/294, and get some of the vacuum back, while holding close to the 0.050".numbers - maybe give up 2 degrees.
The roller cam version (dingle ball 2.0) coming up has less duration, but more lift with a roller cam. Should be an interesting comparison
I have a 327 I pulled from 68 rs/ss camaro with 22k miles on it few months ago. This would be cool setup on it.
One word Amazing
The Dingle ball 2.0 video is coming soon!
You power brake guys, get a vacuum canister and your brakes will work excellent
Only making 7 inches at idle and my brake feels factory perfect with a canister. No need to go manual brakes, pumps etc. Keep er simple
Curious to throw a set of Rhoads lifters in compare....vacuum especially. Guys will trip on the difference in idle note esp when the oil gets warm.
Im going to be trying that with Rhodes lifters
Awesome engine. This belongs in a ford mustang or falcon or factory five with a 4 or 5 speed. Then i bet it would run around town and the track and tear it up too. They Roller cam version is going to be quite interesting as well.
Why a ford? Haha but would be cool
Awesome build, let's put it in a car and race it!
Awesome job
Thanks brother!
Always look forward to your videos
Nice! Ive got messaged vortec heads on my 383 making a little over 400hp. Heads flow 225 from .400 t0 .600.
Roller cam, 218 @ .050 with .480 lift on a 108LSA. Heads still have stock valves, i wonder how much bigger valves would help vs more lift (1.6 or 1.7 rockers?)
Love your videos
Bigger valves only work if ported. I typically prefer 1.94/1.6 with porting. As far as lift goes, Ive never seen a SBC lose power with more lift. So some head porting and a 1.6 rocker arm would be a noticeable improvement
Man I love your videos
Appreciate that!
Thanks. Gonna try this in my short bed 89 chevy
Looking good!
Wow awesome 👌
Very stout results ! Congrats. I’m going to follow your porting tips when doing my 383 vortec head-motor. Unfortunately they’re Mexico made, which I learned thru you channel aren’t the best performers.
They dont quite flow as good but they crack less
Thats awesome!
i have an 880 block your info has really helped i put an edelbrock 2204 cam and did what you said for the lift on valve springs,keepers and retainers. check out my short clip sounds great
Wow i was surprised at the hp mark i used to race circle track in a stock head flat top non stroker motor class and a few guys might have been close to those numbers on hp. Great build
Good numbers for sure!!
Thank you!!!
Please show a parts list.😎
i want to see what you can do with my lunati cam or the step up from it i may swap to.
my motor is still green and running as good as ever.
Nice engine! Do you think the 4-7 cam design would work with a dual plane RPM type manifold? I know single plane is what you used. Keep up the great videos!
Yeah it works with a dual plane. Something like a RPM Air gap would work good with this combo
That is a dandy dyno graph for sure! when can I drop off my heads for porting and valves? haha
Haha no porting services
❤AWESOME!
all your vortec 350 videos are awesome.... With great and advice/tips for first timers...I'm building my first one now
I'm using a low mileage 1998 vortec 350...fresh hone job new rings and rod bearings stock pistons, summit 8802 roller cam. (Which seems very similar to the lt4 hot cam) ...new lifters, scorpion 1.5 ratio roller rockers.. Alex parts .550 lift spring kit w/ screw in studs...mahle .026 head gaskets ( I know the 0.015 Fel-Pro are better from watching one of your videos but they make me nervous lol) curious what your thoughts were on this?? Really hoping I'm 350 horsepower....Thanks!!!
You'll be just fine with the .026 head gasket 👍
@@cuttersperformance thanks! I know it's not ideal for the compression ratio... What are your thoughts on that summit 8802 roller cam? Thanks!
I don’t get how this wouldn’t be good for a heavier vehicle with gears and stall converter if auto? The torque curve was amazing and made 400+ down from 3400.
Very impressive performance Pat! Dyno numbers are great, but I would like to see you drop this engine in a car and make a few passes at Toronto Motorsports Park Cayuga. Maybe something like that Firebird that you used to show at the beginning of the Piss Cutter Performance videos.
My Trans Am will be back! Unfortunately, I put on the back burner the last few years, but there will be videos on it soon
That’s great to hear Pat!
Fantastic Job👍 Question 13:-1 and swap lifter's to Solid Do you think it would hit 500+HP❓❓🚩
Easily!
Awesome 💜
Stage 6 pro cam 😎
Very impressive what valve springs did you use and I'm sure you had the valve guide bosses milled down also that is really nice that that cheap summit camshaft worked with the howards lifters I have a howards roller In my bigblock 439.
All that info will be in the next video
Nicks link to your channel is not working. I would hate to see you not get the credit due - awesome work my friend. You encouraged me so much with my 307 build.
Ok I will let George know! Thanks!
Nice combo any idea on HP if you were to put on a budget set of aluminum heads just a thought
I got some budget aluminum head combos coming
This is the kind of stuff that makes me want to completely abandon building my 2.3 Turbo or even a 289/302 for my 72 Pinto. I grew up with my dads diet of Chevy powered and Chevy V8 swapped cars (other cars and engines too).
I was going to do my best of keeping a Ford in Ford, but this validates the tried and true facts of building power with a Chevrolet.
I guess my Pinto is going to match my late uncles. Chevy in a Ford it is…I’m going to catch hell, but I want to buy, build, drive, blow up, buy, build and drive. All without the costs of trying to make HP with the blue oval.
Can't go wrong with an SBC!
I'm a bowtie guy but I built a 289 Pinto in 1981 and I would stay with a sbf, I was never beat street racing in that car, they weigh nothing, you could get some pretty good power out of a 302, if you want crazy put a 351 Cleveland in it
@@hardtail-gy8dk
My late uncle went down that road when my dad and him were building his 71 Pinto and my dad’s 64 VW bodied/Austin Healy chassis car.
The Pinto had the 302/C4 combo and when I was about 10 years old he stuck a 383/TH350 in it. Like my dad told me then. Dollar for dollar and cubic inch for cubic inch you can buy, find, swap and run into Chevy parts cheaper and more choices available than a Ford - including making horsepower.
That being said… I won’t be tempted and refuse to LS swap it. My dad has enough old dress up parts from the 60’s/70’s/80’s to make a SBC look period correct.
Impressive!
Looking forward to seeing that 500 hp number. Just out of curiosity, what would you sell that 355ci for?
Around 5300 USD
That’s a lot of flow for any sbc cylinder head. That is a lot more than any stock port vortec head will flow, it took a lot of porting to get those numbers.
Be nice to see flow charts at specific lift numbers to compare to other cylinder heads flow.
And compression does a lot.
Fuel injection and computer control makes a really big difference over carburetors and non computer controlled ignitions when it comes to high compression and lower octane fuel.
I would like to see 9.5:1 and run it on pump 93 and see what it does.
All we have at the pump here in Texas is 93, and two stations that have E85. And it’s pump e85, not the good, accurate E85 you buy in barrels like race fuel.
Heads were ported and full flow numbers in the next video. The dingle ball 2.0 is a 10:1 355 with less compression should be a interesting comparison
@@cuttersperformancenice!!
I ran 10.5:1 on my iron head Vortec 383 in my G20 van on Texas 91 or 93 for years. My 11:1 aluminum head 383 in my Express runs on the same fuel.
480hp on a budget I'd be thrilled! Wonder how streetable it is?
With the right converter/gears, it would be a blast
That's a lot of horsepower for what it is, impressive. Great video. I have a L31 in a 2 door 98 tahoe that just has mufflers and a cold air and has pretty good power. I would like to hop it up a little but don't want to lose any low end power,any suggestions?
A mild cam and a tune will help alot
Wow that's pretty good ! Out of a good ol small block! Do you port heads for customers? If so I'm sending you a pair. Great job!
I dont offer porting as a service
would love 300 horse
Awesome! wonder what it would do with a dual plane?
I should have brought one to try. My guess it would gain 15 to 20 ftlbs and lose 15 or so hp
Try a performer rpm air gap see how it compares
Bet the average hp is better with the. Rpm air gap may give up a few up top
I agree, I should have brought one to try. I will try a few different intakes on the Dingle Ball 2.0
Probably run nice on E85.
Are you planning on replacing the heads and cam just to see what that will do on the Dyno?
Love it!!!! Are we not piss cutter anymore?
Dropped the "piss" at 20K subs. As the channel was getting bigger, it was causing me road blocks
@@cuttersperformance totally understandable, been following your stuff for a long time. Was just curious
@alexvelez2141 the OGs know the real name haha
The cam has a lot of duration. I would have expected a higher peak power rpm.
108 LSA brings the power in hard but peaks early. 112 LSA it would have added atleast 500 rpm on peak with the same duration
@@cuttersperformance The 108LSA is alot of the reason the engine made 480hp, the 108 LSA is Optimal for a 10:1-11:1 350sbc, the 108LSA being optimal in a 10:1-11:1 350 will always make more TQ & HP across the entire curve than "tighter" or a "wider"LSA, a 112LSA will make 20-25hp less at peak, the 112 will fall off first before & after peak and will make less TQ & HP everywhere below peak... Your statement about the 112LSA is one of the biggest misconceptions about Valve Event timing even amongst the top 98-99% of camshaft "experts".
This specific scenario with a 10.5:1 350 and many others are all proven by Adam at Cattledog Garage, his last cam vid shows the standard effects of LSA and the effects of Optimal LSA, his last vid shows the 19 different LSA's from 101-120 dyno tested in 350 sbc's, 370 sbc, 402 LS3, 406 sbc's and 572 BBC.
Adam will open your eyes to the reality that is Optimal LSA, Adam/Cattledog Garage is recomended by David Vizard, i personality think Adam he puts out better cam info than David, i and many others honestly bealive Adam produces the very best camshaft/valve event tech out there, plus the best part is he backs up everything he says with dyno data, clear analytical explanations and Empirical Equations.
I'm a 73 year old ex super stock, pro stock, and nascar engine builder that is now retired so I'm no novice and I've learned more about optimal Valve event timing from Adam's 2 cam vids than I have threw my previous 50 years experience, from a 3 day 1200 dollar David Vizard seminar and from Billy Godbolds newest book, So I'd say it's worth your time to check out Cattledog Garage and watch Adam's newest cam vid and his first one also
He has 2 of the biggest cam vids out there, his first is at i bealive around 142,000 watches and his newest is at about 40,000 watches so he is making a positive impact by spreading pure truth.
I've personality spoken to Adam and I will say, he may be physically disabled but he is absolutely brilliant, I mean Brilliant!!!
Take Care young man. I hope you take my suggestion, Adam will make you question what you think you really know and he will change your life long outlook on valve events for the better.
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