Nothing makes me more nervous than tearing a motor apart and rebuilding it... i always get butterfly's once im about ready to start it. Always a relief when it runs😂
Richard can tear down and rebuild a motor as quickly as some of us would still be breathing hard, staring, and debating which torx size to use, and where to begin removing fasteners, etc. 😊 😆
Yep 1600+ for a 500i. Just got one a few months ago. Great saw but a little thirsty for fuel. I would be sick if I smashed it but especially on the first day!! Great job getting that one put back together Mr. Flagg.
I have my oiler turned up full because I run long bars. I already use tank for tank, if it was any more I would have to fill the oil more than the gas.
hello richard As always very interesting video on oil 2 times and ratio on my husqvarna 550 xp I tried the ratio 40/1 of oil husq and aspen 4 it works not well with the autotune it stops to deceleration despite having left 3 minutes in slow motion then thoroughly in a length of wood I came back to aspen 2 pre-mixed at 50/ 1 is all returned in order by cons my saws with screw settings 40/1 works well thank you for your reply soon
Ok, I skimmed this twice. What happened to it? Those busted plastic parts are unacceptable but of course, depending on the source of damage, die cast magnesium might not have fared any better. I'm an electronics guy and have done a lot of surface mount electronics work with various hot air systems. I've repaired numerous pieces of gear with broken plastic parts that cannot be glued. I've used a small hot air wand like a blow torch to "weld" cracked parts together. Generally the plastic has to be "meltable", then I heat an area locally until it is almost liquid on both sides of the crack. Then I just shove the plastic back and forth to sort of mix it. For many plastic, this is VERY STRONG as there is no glue line. The joint is gone. If the part has critical geometry to hold other mechanics, like the cracked case, then no form of repair may be good enough.
i was going to ask you same question on the little nylon piece in the bag that comes with the case , i had it in mine , and never found out what it is for or where it goes , i even inspected both old cases and never found it on them either , so if you do find out , please do let me know ,
I ran HP2 for while. Actually found it smoked to much. Also personal preference I didn't like the smell. I bought some maxima k2. It's definitely less viscosity than hp2. But burns with less smoke. And doesn't mess with my smeller. Saws seem to like it. 🤷
I've used both and I think they both do fantastic jobs but I think HP2 is slightly better. I think Richard has said in other videos that HP2 is about as good as it gets but I don't want to speak for him
Saber burns dirtier than HP2. There’s always some black deposits on the sides of the pistons from it. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily, but its throwing some alarm bells to me when hp2 or motul 800 keeps everything sparkling and clean even after hundreds of tanks.
Hi Richard, your customer is lucky to have a repairman like you. The quality of the dealer shops these days is a shame. If it ain’t new then they just call a friend for help. THey would be better off watching this channel, they might just learn something. I for one would like to you see you back on the mule saw for some additional data and “reality” of the bike 2T oils and what they can do for a saw. I know you like the Honda stuff, and I just might break my promise of never using anything but the Motul 800 2T in my saws because I know you pretty well now and I know that is a good thing.I did like the film coverage that was in this case, but that just might be the blubbering of a new saw that didn’t even break in yet. The good thing is if you’re going to buy new and break it in, that a good way to start and not use the Stihl oil unless the fear of God sets in that the warranty will be gone if something like that happens. At $1800+ in my area for a 500i, 32”, I’d think about it too, unless I had you around to save it! ;) I hope the guys using this rig learned a valuable lesson. Thanks for the great info as always.
@@richardflagg3084 Richard, I love your videos! I've been alternating between the HP2 and the red VP Racing synthetic with similar results at 40:1. Zero carbon on the piston crown and the crankcase and underside of the piston have a healthy amount of pooling, "slicker than a minnow". The VP two-stroke is readily available at my local Walmart at $10 for 16oz. Thanks again!
I run stihl mix in all my 2 cycle stuff. And will switch over to Honda hp2. Will the two oils mix or do I need to drain the gas tanks. Awesome info in your videos. Thanks for a response from the Saw Whisper.👍
@@richardflagg3084 Mr. Flagg , if you are going to test more oils, i would like to sugest the motorex cross power 2t and the motul 710 , best regards keep up the good work
Must say I'm not overly impressed with design of the cases on those saws...doesn't look the strongest. yeah they are priced ridiculously here in the uk too
@Dolmar-Rick that's because they tried to make them as light as possible for pro use, they are a good saw. If u drive over them or let them under a falling tree what saw would survive?
Hello, a little off topic question I rebulided our old ms250 chainsaw with aliexpress carburator kit and a near localshop cheap cylinder and piston make it to run tried to tune but either lean or reach its going bog dawn in wood also after tried to cut i notice some burned black oil betwen the exhaust and engine driping down -My main question is its can be a bad cylinder by factory or it would not run at all if the cylinder is bad ?
Sounds like it's running really rich. Or something with the carb isn't stopping the fuel from filling the carb and it's over flowing. I don't know a lot about saws but I have worked on many carbs on atvs and mx bikes.
I run 40:1 HP2 in all of my blowers, trimmers, and saws. Never had an issue and pistons are still shiny after heavy use
Nothing makes me more nervous than tearing a motor apart and rebuilding it... i always get butterfly's once im about ready to start it. Always a relief when it runs😂
Richard can tear down and rebuild a motor as quickly as some of us would still be breathing hard, staring, and debating which torx size to use, and where to begin removing fasteners, etc. 😊 😆
Its sad to see a new saw get damaged... but it sure is nice to work on clean saws!
After those last two 372's I needed a clean saw to work on.
I LOVE IT.. 3 PECKER GOAT😂😂😂😂. RICHARD MY FRIEND, YOUR A LEGEND. AWESOME JOB FIXING THAT NIGHTMARE
Yep 1600+ for a 500i. Just got one a few months ago. Great saw but a little thirsty for fuel. I would be sick if I smashed it but especially on the first day!! Great job getting that one put back together Mr. Flagg.
I run Motomix with 1.4 ounces of HP2 added for a 32:1 final mix. Stuff is amazing!!
1609.00?? thats the cheapest ive seen them!! i paid 1709.00 for a 25 in last week!! i need to come to your dealer in the future!! thanks for the vids
Yep i switched to Belray h1r and am very happy so far! Smells better too!
i have learn so much from your videos keep up the good work
Thats sounding well now! The throttle response on those is crazy.. shame it got damaged. Good Job Richard.
What a great video thank you sir.
Great work as always Richard.
Thanks from Australia well done
“The Man The Myth, The Legend, “ - Richard Flagg! 👍😊
I have my oiler turned up full because I run long bars. I already use tank for tank, if it was any more I would have to fill the oil more than the gas.
Beautiful build!
hello richard
As always very interesting video on oil 2 times and ratio
on my husqvarna 550 xp I tried the ratio 40/1 of oil husq and aspen 4 it works not well with the autotune it stops to deceleration despite having left 3 minutes in slow motion then thoroughly in a length of wood
I came back to aspen 2 pre-mixed at 50/ 1 is all returned in order
by cons my saws with screw settings 40/1 works well
thank you for your reply soon
Ok, I skimmed this twice. What happened to it? Those busted plastic parts are unacceptable but of course, depending on the source of damage, die cast magnesium might not have fared any better. I'm an electronics guy and have done a lot of surface mount electronics work with various hot air systems. I've repaired numerous pieces of gear with broken plastic parts that cannot be glued. I've used a small hot air wand like a blow torch to "weld" cracked parts together. Generally the plastic has to be "meltable", then I heat an area locally until it is almost liquid on both sides of the crack. Then I just shove the plastic back and forth to sort of mix it. For many plastic, this is VERY STRONG as there is no glue line. The joint is gone. If the part has critical geometry to hold other mechanics, like the cracked case, then no form of repair may be good enough.
i was going to ask you same question on the little nylon piece in the bag that comes with the case , i had it in mine , and never found out what it is for or where it goes , i even inspected both old cases and never found it on them either , so if you do find out , please do let me know ,
Id love to see you run klotz oil for one of your oil tests.
Another Great Video 👍.
Wow. Expensive day for sure.
I ran HP2 for while. Actually found it smoked to much. Also personal preference I didn't like the smell. I bought some maxima k2. It's definitely less viscosity than hp2. But burns with less smoke. And doesn't mess with my smeller. Saws seem to like it. 🤷
Rich nice ❤❤❤
My girlfriend was walking the dog and found a crushed stihl saw.
I'm thinking about fixing it because I have the time. 91.1 cc saw ?
066/MS660 or MS661.
Not considering cost or availability, would you choose HP2 or Saber? Or no preference at all?
I've used both and I think they both do fantastic jobs but I think HP2 is slightly better. I think Richard has said in other videos that HP2 is about as good as it gets but I don't want to speak for him
Saber burns dirtier than HP2. There’s always some black deposits on the sides of the pistons from it. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily, but its throwing some alarm bells to me when hp2 or motul 800 keeps everything sparkling and clean even after hundreds of tanks.
I gave about $1100 for my ms500i when they first came out. $1600 is crazy. Great video. I learn something nearly every time I watch. Thank you.
Another great vid 👍👍
It's nice of you to take it easy on the labor. But stupid is supposed to hurt.
Hi Richard, your customer is lucky to have a repairman like you. The quality of the dealer shops these days is a shame. If it ain’t new then they just call a friend for help. THey would be better off watching this channel, they might just learn something.
I for one would like to you see you back on the mule saw for some additional data and “reality” of the bike 2T oils and what they can do for a saw. I know you like the Honda stuff, and I just might break my promise of never using anything but the Motul 800 2T in my saws because I know you pretty well now and I know that is a good thing.I did like the film coverage that was in this case, but that just might be the blubbering of a new saw that didn’t even break in yet. The good thing is if you’re going to buy new and break it in, that a good way to start and not use the Stihl oil unless the fear of God sets in that the warranty will be gone if something like that happens. At $1800+ in my area for a 500i, 32”, I’d think about it too, unless I had you around to save it! ;) I hope the guys using this rig learned a valuable lesson.
Thanks for the great info as always.
Thank you!
Goodness. Talk about a rough first day!
I run Red Armor at 50:1. Never had a problem
Even better at 40:1 for what it's worth.
@@richardflagg3084 I'll try it out on my next gallon
Wow what mess to fix, that was tree smash 😳 yup complete rebuild 😢
yeah, do another OIL test.
so far....honda hp2 motul belray h1-r look the best?
Yup
@@richardflagg3084 Richard, I love your videos! I've been alternating between the HP2 and the red VP Racing synthetic with similar results at 40:1. Zero carbon on the piston crown and the crankcase and underside of the piston have a healthy amount of pooling, "slicker than a minnow". The VP two-stroke is readily available at my local Walmart at $10 for 16oz. Thanks again!
I run stihl mix in all my 2 cycle stuff. And will switch over to Honda hp2. Will the two oils mix or do I need to drain the gas tanks. Awesome info in your videos. Thanks for a response from the Saw Whisper.👍
@@rickhamm3962 You can mix the oils… it can’t be worse than running just straight Stihl.
@@richardflagg3084 Mr. Flagg , if you are going to test more oils, i would like to sugest the motorex cross power 2t and the motul 710 , best regards keep up the good work
At the rental company i used to work at everything got 32:1 regardless of what it called for
Whoever ran that thing should never be allowed near an expensive piece of equipment again.
I run red armour at 32:1 in 500i.
I am thinking switching to HP2. Would you?
Richard, do you know how long that motor was run with HP2 in it?
Probably only a tank or two. I could not get the MDG1 to read it for some reason.
Must say I'm not overly impressed with design of the cases on those saws...doesn't look the strongest. yeah they are priced ridiculously here in the uk too
@Dolmar-Rick that's because they tried to make them as light as possible for pro use, they are a good saw. If u drive over them or let them under a falling tree what saw would survive?
@@6900pilot An all metal-saw like a old homelite or mccullough would probably survive
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Lets see some Golden Spectro. Its the least smoky oil ive ever seen and seems to be pretty good. Its really Pricey though.
Hello, a little off topic question
I rebulided our old ms250 chainsaw with aliexpress carburator kit and a near localshop cheap cylinder and piston
make it to run tried to tune but either lean or reach its going bog dawn in wood
also after tried to cut i notice some burned black oil betwen the exhaust and engine driping down
-My main question is its can be a bad cylinder by factory or it would not run at all if the cylinder is bad ?
Sounds like it's running really rich. Or something with the carb isn't stopping the fuel from filling the carb and it's over flowing. I don't know a lot about saws but I have worked on many carbs on atvs and mx bikes.
Are you sure the gasket for the exhaust is in place? It shouldn't leak at all between the cylinder and exhaust.
@@kdcustoms1272 based on a diagram chainsaw site its a cooling plate,gasket then the exhaust and yes its in place
@@hu13ix83 what I'll say is it's hit and miss with the cheap China Parts. Sounds like you got a miss!
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Gave like. Enjoyed it did he run it over?
Skid steer grapple. Don't ask me how but it was in/near a brush pile.
A good dealer would have warrantied that......just pulled the rope and the saw fell apart! 🙃
🤣🤣🤣
Ouch!!!! $$$$$$$$$
Not worth it get a old 046 rebuilt it is a better saw hands down !