Insider EXPOSES ACC Expansion Homes: Louisville, Pittsburgh to Big 12, Clemson, Florida State Big 10
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- Adding Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke to the Big 12 Conference would result in several notable changes and opportunities:
Geographic Expansion: The inclusion of Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke would extend the Big 12's reach into the Northeast and Southeast regions of the United States. This geographic expansion could open up new recruiting territories, fan bases, and media markets for the conference.
Athletic Competitiveness: Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke are known for their competitive athletic programs across various sports, including football and basketball. The addition of these schools would enhance the overall competitiveness of the Big 12, creating exciting matchups and rivalries within the conference.
Conference Realignment: The inclusion of Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke could prompt further conference realignment across college athletics. Other conferences may seek to adjust their membership to remain competitive, leading to changes in affiliations and alliances.
Increased Revenue Opportunities: The addition of Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke could boost the Big 12's revenue streams through expanded television contracts, sponsorship deals, and other revenue-generating initiatives. These schools have large fan bases and national brands, which could attract media interest and corporate partnerships.
Cultural Dynamics: Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke bring unique cultural identities and traditions to the Big 12, enriching the conference's diversity and overall appeal. Their presence would add new dimensions to the conference's athletic culture and fan experience.
Overall, adding Louisville, Pittsburgh, and Duke to the Big 12 would be a significant move that could strengthen the conference's competitive position and elevate its profile in college athletics. However, any decision to expand would require careful consideration of various factors, including geographic alignment, conference culture, and financial implications, by both the universities and conference officials.
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I am so tired of all this conference realignment nonsense. Leave the game alone for God's sake. What the ACC needs to do us buckle down and focus on building their name and brand.. This is why we no longer have any good rivalries anymore.
The Titanic has hit the iceberg it's too late.
Blowing smoke until the court cases shake out. Most fans have no stomach for intermingling the Big 12 and the ACC, too many programs I could care less about on each side.
You guys need to look at the FBS media viewership numbers for the last 2 years. BC and Wake Forest and absolutely Syracuse and Ga Tech have way better numbers than you are giving them credit for. Duke, UVA and VaTech sucked year before last, lowest in ACC, but all brought their numbers up last season. There is no dead weight in the ACC.
Luv both of these shows...great job guys
The SEC only wanting Duke basketball is possible but there is no way that the Big 12 would be ok only taking Duke football
If the B12 adds Duke it'll have to be all sports if it's everything but basketball. They can go to the Big East, or the American in those sports if the SEC gets thier basketball. UCONN is greater than Duke!
The SEC doesn't have to play that sort of games.
No Sir. Might as well take Uconn. Both are yankee States. If you have a name North in your state, then you are a Yankee. We don't need Duke If We can get Uconn. They both have the same football program, Uconn is better in mens, and women's basketball than Duke. Uconn will be an elite athletic program instead of Duke unless Duke comes to the B12 in with all sports. Uconn is greater than Duke! I believe Uconn 's football With Mora I better see than Duke.in football. Who is Dukes football coach...no one knows. Wich is why the SEC don't want them In football.
@@tarheel7406 zThe sec sounds like the B12 adding basketball only schools. Lol what a football master conference. Lol They are copying Yormark.
@@JohnDry LOL... The SEC doesn't have to take "only" schools. The SEC appears to treat expansion as a mutual honor. The B1G seems to treat as a charity. The BIG12 has to a have "very special episodes" to try and save a conference that has already jumped the shark.
You are delusional about where the BIG12 stands. It is already set as a Tier 2, only too much expansion is a material risk. The SEC, B1G and the outside big dogs don't really care what the BIG12 does.
Duke as SEC basketball only?!? Makes ZERO sense. Also Big 12 would never ever house Duke football without basketball.
Duke coming in for football only might be one of the dumbest takes I ever heard and anyone who thinks that should not have a microphone.
The ultimate choke. ACC collapsed due to a self-righteous image.
Just like the PAC.
@@JohnDry Always funny to me that the PAC gets bashed for being too smug. You do understand that only reason the Big 12 exists in its current form is because the PAC 12 elected not to pick apart the Big 12 when they were floundering after Texas and OU announced left. I'm not sure why the PAC 12 decided against adding TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and others whether it was smugness or not, but because they didn't the Big 12 stayed together and in true irony ended up devouring the 4 corner schools contributing to the demise of the PAC 12.
Nonsense...
a) The BIG12 has already collapsed.
b) The ACC will deplete out due to an unexpected inflation curve.
@@JohnDry "Just like the PAC."
Just dumb. Has the ACC refused a reasonable new media deal?
@@tarheel7406 Thr Media deal will refuse the acc when FSU, Clemson, and others leave. The B12s deal does not include the 4 corner schools yet, nor any ACC schools that join the B12. A HUGE raise is coming for the B12! Especially if the B12 raids the ACC. Plus the B12 will get the ACC playoff money! Are you protesting, and asking for pizza while you destroy the future of your U?
This is some big time nonsense.
I like TJ, but he's no ACC "insider." He knows a lot about FSU, but he's not even an FSU "insider." I doubt TJ held himself out a such. Just a BS clickbait headline.
'Insider" seems to be the current buzzword for clicks. I've seen it everywhere.
It would be cool to have Pittsburgh and Louisville in the Big12. It would be great to get those rivalries.
Thanks for the Rutgers promo lol
Neither of these two guys are insiders. They're both making videos on their iPhones in their apartments.
The only way both FSU and Clemson will end up in the B1G is if they're both comfortable to be in that league at an extremely reduced share. American Business 101, Why pay $100 for a product if you can get it for $5.
I'm not convinced that the Big 10 is even that interested in Clemson and FSU. While not a requirement the Big 10 strongly prefers AAU members. Clemson and FSU are not but Miami, NC, and Georgia Tech are.
The focus on recruiting disadvantages is only part of the problem with being in a much reduced league. The big problem will be way more transfers out and very few transfers in. That is where you will see the separation.
Nice work Drake and TJ. Yes, right now here in North Carolina the legislature is saying they prefer UNC/NCSU together. I don’t think that line will hold; they aren’t going to hold a school back from making millions more in the P2. The likely end game if the schools split, there will be a subsidy paid out from the school who joins the P2 and they will have to play each other every year. I’m not saying they won’t go together in the end, but I don’t see the P2 being forced to take both; they hold the power.
P2 doesn't have the power the TV companies do, and as of right now, the TV companies are pretty much happy where they are at. The only one making a push to change it up is the Big 10 and the SEC is only actively participating to make sure to keep the Big 10 out of their market area in keeping both FSU and Clemson from joining them.
EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.
College football peaked with the Nebraska-Oklahoma “game of the century” in 1971. Today it’s more about money than football.
Probably the greatest regular season game ever played.
That narrative of merging is non-void because that is not what the Big Ten and SEC is doing they have an alliance and alliance is different from a merge
TJ isn’t an insider he’s a joke. He just regurgitates what he reads and listens to from Nolecast/On The Bench/247.
Facts
There is going to be a super conference of 80 teams within the next 10 years. It won't happen right away but around 2032 it's going to change
~48 teams
Totally agree.
No where near 80. I agree with around 48. There aren't 80 schools that bring value to conference realignment
@drakectoll If you were Big12 commissioner building your conference from scratch, all teams on the table; What 10 teams do you choose and why??🤔
ESPN can't afford to pay the SEC more money for adding teams.
What your source ?
(You're just spit balling.)
FSU and Clemson are not taking 30 million (BiG 10 half share) while their expenses (both opportunity and real cost) double if not triple. These cost are travel (BTR is six hours away via bus and 1.5 hour flight), lower ticket sales(SEC teams are closer), and lower economic output (SEC teams travel more). The B10 offer must be dramatically higher to compensate for these extra cost.
Oh no the major universities are traveling across the country on horse and buggy argument! Teams have private planes and corporate sponsors!
@@user-lx5ok8vx6dRemind us to never utilize your poor accounting skills in any business endeavors. The U.S. is experiencing a historical economic inflation with no end in sight, also there’s something called NIL that extends the economic payout. Yes genius travel does matter. Are you really not that smart to understand how that should be offset??? …… seriously no troll.
@@ronelite582i would be the secretary of the treasury with Joe Biden administration if you feel that way. Its called sarcasm and the economy are the least of everyone problems. Its the end of this world the least they can do is finance college football.
If these schools can't bring all their sports programs take none and if the B12 or/and ACC would say no and break away take all these sports programs to the New League not just FB, then you put pressure on the Big 2
Duke isn't getting a basketball only invite to the Big 10 nor the SEC. Thats not how they fo business.
Agreed... TJ isn't an insider and isn't credible.
If back to back National champions Connecticut is not getting in a P-2 Conference for basketball only, neither is Duke.
ESPN is smart in these things look at how they picked apart the Big East and Big 12 without getting sued. My guess is if Duke votes for what ESPN wants they will get something. If ESPN gets all the Carolina schools more money I doubt their courts where the ACC is based will care about the conference folding.
TJ has a better record than the Carolina schools in basketball. Sorry Raycom is not coming back time to face reality 😂
@@SolarNole. LOL... TJ buys every theory he reads from Message Board, Esq. Sees a smoking gun for FSU behind every tree and under every rock. He'll end up accurate in some things the same way broken clocks do and/or predicting everything.
None of this matters, the super conference is happening
Big 10 and SEC will keep going over the next few years. Maybe 30 each with 4 regional divisions with playoff that work like the NFL.
The problem with the profit sharing isn't that it will change recruiting next year. The problem is that it will make staying at the top easier and getting there harder. It is quintessentially a way to lock in current branding and not have to worry about future competition.
Guys, if you really want to know where things are going within the media rights, count the employees of the media companies and where they went to school. I guarantee that they will be putting in their voices for their schools!
Their voices won't matter because their voices don't bring in the money and they could always fire those people and hire people that are fans of the schools they want to pay and support. That's not how corporate business works man. Money is the only thing that bring influence when it comes to the big corporate brands.
Don’t like hearing Pittinger comments but he’s very fair and frankly not wrong in everything he says.
All schools not in sec and big 10.... Will all merge.. drop sports .. and focus on academics... Shaking my head..
WHY WHY WHY do you keep listing Virginia as desirable for the SEC? Because they have an occasional good basketball season? Because its football is terrible, the attendance is terrible. You don't think much of Virginia Tech for some reason, but its "SEC" fanbase seems so much more desirable.
Elite flagship in a southern state with already top overall athletics with a high ceiling in a closed ~48-team Tier 1 P2.
New TV Markets. These things are decided by Network Execs. While FSU and Clemson are regional to the SEC, they already have Schools in those markets. Hence, their prospective interest from the B1G.
@@tarheel7406they can't be in the top overall 48 in athletic revenue if their football is dog shit. No one will watch them. The SEC is only considering them because they are largest of the two big schools and they bring in a new TV market.
@@davidethompson1271 It's not about TV markets anymore. If that were the case then the SEC would've never added Texas when Texas A&M is already a member. It's about national brands. Virginia doesn't have that. They'll never be in the SEC.
@@whmaxwell97 'they can't be in the top overall 48 in athletic revenue if their football is dog shit.'
Making the 48-team cut will have dramatic effects on all those that do, especially from the bottom up. That's why an expected ceiling within a closed group is a factor. Location is also a related and material factor.
Fear not..., the word is that UVA has rejected the SEC (again).
Vandy, CalFord, GT, WF, BC, Iowa St, KS, Pitt,ASU, AZ, Utah , ND, WSU, Or St,Cincy and Saracuse are B10 schools to me. K St, Tx Tech, Ok St, Hou, Baylor, TCU, WV, BYU, UCF, NC St, VT,and Louisville are SEC schools to me. The rest of the I am torn where NC, Duke, and SMU should go. I personlly think FSU, and Mia should be in the SEC. Different culture than the B10.
"B10 schools to me'
Just amazing. This realignment is about contraction. Any school outside of the ACC are now +1 bubble schools and only a few will make it. Of the 8 BIG12 remainders, only KANSAS has a decent shot.
@@tarheel7406 Not Utah, AZ, or anyone else? Not even Cincy, or TCU that beat the sign stealing guy, a d free Harbaugh? Nor UCF that actually went undefeated, and diserved the National title unlike FSU.
@@JohnDry
"Not Utah, AZ, or anyone else?"
The 4C flagships would be bubble teams. They are not among the referenced 8 BIG12 remainders.
"Not even Cincy, or TXU"
CINCY, TXTECH & UCF are G5 equivalents. I see no chance.
@@tarheel7406 Funny we look at NC, and Duke's the same way about them
That you do the B12 schools. The NC schools ain't football. Just basketball.
@@JohnDry "Funny we look at NC, and Duke's the same way about them"
Understandable. You see things only from a limited BIG12 perspective. The B12 has no more football brands, has no academic branding, has no overall sports branding. The ACC, BIG and SEC are all different than the BIG12 on these factors to some material degree.
All Tier 2 football will be fungible in value and power. It really doesn't matter what "football schools" the BIG12 consolidates and retains.
He says power 2 with so much confidence. The only way there is a power 2 is if everyone is involved.
We had a P5 without including everyone.
Man these content hustlers with this conference realignment content that none of these guys or even in any room where the executives are talking about it
But damn it’s entertaining!
@@LockedOnBig12 it’s Clickbait and contradicting, especially you
It’s not about Big 12 teams competing for upper echelon P2 schools for recruits. They won’t be able to compete with mid level P2 schools. The dollar gap is too big.
it is a crime the way COLLEGE football has been destroyed. What a shame. It was great great.
WOW! It kills TJ to mention Miami as a Big Name team!
He's a FSU alumni I believe.
@@JohnDry So am I. Miami and FSU will be heading to the B1G.
FSU is the most likely to switch. Big 10 odds > 90% to the Big 10.
@@JohnDryand a total hack non-insider. And I’m an FSU alum/fan.
You're a moron if you think MIami is still a big name team.
Biggest thing the Big 12 needs to do is win National Championships in football during the new 12 team playoff era. Which team can step up?
Utah? Kansas St? Arizona? OKST? BYU? WVU?
Every podcast talking heads outside of the traditional ACC region think they have inside information on what will happen to ACC teams. All just speculation at this point. When the dust clears after FSU and Clemson lawsuits are over then maybe we’ll all know. The only one I put any faith in regarding the ACC is David Glenn of The David Glenn Show based in N.C.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the SEC take Duke in ALL sports, but giving them a permanent 50% cut in their conference payout. The SEC is full of behemoths, I'm sure they'd be willing to add another Vandy if it meant they got UNC AND was able to pair Kentucky, UNC, and Duke basketball together in the same conference.
Also, paying players $20-$30 million a year shouldn't be hard for ANY P2 schools, they're all going to be making 2-3x that amount in TV revenue anyway.
a) The SEC can effectively expand and protect its geo-centric brand.
b) Why add a member while handicapping its ability to compete? From what I've seen, the SEC views expansion as a mutual honor and doesn't play around with partial shares. In contrast, the B1G views expansion as a charity, reinforced with partial shares.
UNC/DUKE is a unique asset with high tangible and intangible value.
Georgia Tech? Atlanta market? Hello?
GT hasn't been consistently competitive in a long while, plus they don't have as many big rivalries with current or future Big 12 teams compared to the likes of Pitt even though Pitt hasn't been that competitive either. That's y'alls downfall right now. Y'all are no bigger than any of the other future potential schools for the Big 12 to add, so you have to bring more advantages to be considered and no offense GT doesn't bring as many as others do. Unless Yormark has a secret idea to add beyond more than 4 schools, yall are on the outside looking in. Because as of right now, Louisville, Miami, Pitt, NC schools, Duke, and potential by a long shot FSU and Clemson are over yall.
@@whmaxwell97 Understood. But accessing the Atlanta market should be a goal for one of the conferences other then the SEC.
GT has more tradition and success then any of the schools they keep mentioning like UVA and VT which have never done anything. Tech is on its way back up in football and basketball. We are recovering from the worst coach in college football history. GT will get an invite to the Big 10, and wouldn't surprise me if they ultimately end up in the SEC to keep the Big 10 out of Atlanta.
@@randycarson9812 Yes that would be nice but the problem is the SEC already controls a majority of that market. Because of that your not getting as large of a percentage of that market unlike what you could get with a major market like Pittsburgh which Pitt has practically no competition compared to GT. I'm not saying all of this to hate on GT but GT as of right now just can't offer as much as other schools do. If Georgia and GT were more similar in size and had more of a 50/50 share of the views in the Atlanta market then GT probably be put above a school like NC State on the list. Unfortunately Georgia controls about 75% of the viewership in Atlanta and 25% of a major market just doesn't bring in the same number of views that 45-50% of highly populated state like NC gives you in either UNC or NC State.
@@whmaxwell97 You make a compelling argument. Still, seems odd that the Big would not want a slice of that market - especially if Tech returns to competitiveness now that our worst ever coach is gone.
TJ is a FSU homer. I'm not saying he's wrong on most of his points, but he likes to crown FSU as king and play down FSU's rivals.
I don't get why Duke would want to go SEC as a basketball only addition. If their football is going to be in the Big12, why wouldn't they want their basketball there too? Big12 is a better basketball league with bigger basketball brands.
a) The SEC takes all of DUKE or none.
b) Assuming the SEC would just take basketball, it would be to keep paired with UNC.
The new BIG12 is the worst (now) P5 in men's basketball measured by the Final Four since the NCAAT went to 64. It's been no better than #3 over the past ~10 seasons.
@@tarheel7406 Big12 is the best basketball conference by every advanced metric and has 2 of the last four champions. It will have 5 of the top 10 teams in the preseason next year.
Duke will go where the money is best. And, will seperate their Basketball from the rest of the AD in the interest of that Golden Goose.
Period
@@davidethompson1271 Yeah I agree and that's kind of where I was going. The SEC is the golden goose because of football. If you separate the two and only include Duke as a basketball school then you really aren't getting any of that SEC football money. Basketball revenue would likely be better in the Big12 where they could play, Kansas, Arizona, Houston, Baylor, etc.
@@michaeldavis2966 Uder this unlikely scenario, DUKE would go BIGEAST rather than the BIG12. The latter is historically the worst "P" in men's basketball and has low prestige.
I hope FSU and Clemson are in the SEC when this matter gets resolved.
Will their respective rivals let them in? Clemson is acting nice to espn (ie sec) so maybe but fsu feels like they are burning that bridge in the courts.
FSU is going to the Big 10!
@@jholmes3329 I believe that there are several scenarios that can play out here. I just want to not travel up north to see FSU play. The SEC is the most logical place for FSU to go to from a logistical standpoint and financial standpoint $$$$$$.
@@ScottyDuke-kc7uc we shall see you never know what will happen.
I think you should take the top 8 of the big 12 and top 6-8 of the ACC and make a conference with no weaknesses and dosent have the "bad schools" that don't have good value.
The top of the BIG12 have already left.
Sorry folks, Miami will end up in the B1G also with FSU.
College Football needs to switch to 3 Subdivisions instead of 2.
There are currently 134 FBS and 129 FCS schools.
I would like to see the Top 80 schools in a group , and then the next 90 or so, and then the remaining 80.
Get rid of the bowl games and have corporate sponsors for neutral site playoff games instead for that Top level and home games for the higher ranked team in the bottom level.
People will watch competitive football at any level.
That window has closed. We will contract down to ~48 Tier 1 football teams.
GT is 1 year removed frombthe worst coach inbtheor history being fired, so their numbers will get better. Viewership rankings last year were up from previous years due to new coach and program improvement. Viewership is already ahead of schools you mentioned had a landing spot in Big12.
Don't sleep on them.
No it's not dude. They are not a blue blood that has endless amount of national follower that will immediately turn them back on. I've already checked the viewership on them they are still nowhere close to the top 5 potential teams the Big 12 wants to add. They have to cross their fingers and hope the ACC some how stays together as is for a couple more years and stay in the top 4 of the conference every year until that point for them to bring up their national viewership up enough to even be consider a top 5 expansion candidate.
@whmaxwell97 I don't know what numbers you have been looking at but they ARE up and rank in the middle of the ACC, still ahead of some of the names mentioned in the video.
ACC fans that pay attention to all the teams in the conference have seen it. The option and then the worst coach they have ever had lost them some viewers. They are getting them back, but it takes time.
Besides, no way in hell Big12 passes on planting a flag in Atlanta.
But none of this matters right now. Because nobody is going anywhere for several years. Enough time for them to regain more viewers back and increase their product on the field from what I have observed from them this past year.
Go Clemson
Why is Rutgers catching strays ! They are part of the reason the big gets 100mil. They are not equal to vandy or any other team like that.
B10 network makes them very important.
Um no they don't because they haven't been relative in football for almost a decade now. None of the national media watches them and the national media is where TV companies bring in a large majority of their revenue. That's why the conferences are picking schools based upon their football teams viewership. Rutgers only gets relative attention when they are competing for the top three spots in the Big 10 which they haven't been able to their student athlete grade scandle went down almost 15 years ago. They are only in the Big 10 because they got AAU status right now. Other then that Rutgers would have been put on the same chopping block Nebraska is currently on.
LOL
Realistically...how much potential has Indiana...Iowa...Michigan State...Kentucky...Tennessee...South Carolina or Arkansas have to win a national championship? The B1G and SEC football are the functional equivalent to the Big East in basketball (UCONN domination of pretenders). Big 12 has the only real competition...with authentic quality despite not paying big bucks to players.
Stop it! You are telling the TRUTH!!!!
Here is your merger. Only FSU and Clemson get out, the remaining ACC teams drop football. Any teams that want to play football go to the Big 12 and any Big 12 teams that drop football join the ACC.
Not sure ANY Big 12 teams that will drop football. Their alumni would go crazy.
@@stischer47 I'm thinking Cincinnati or Houston. Maybe Arizona because they are in financial trouble and ASU who didn't really want to be in the Big 12. Mostly because if revenue sharing, some teams may not be able to pay for football.
First, where is CLEMSON going under this scenario?
Second, why would so many ACC schools drop football when the new BIG12 schools won't be in any better position?
Any real notes fans knows TJ is not a FSU insider 😂😂😂
Duke would be the most likely to drop Football and put their Basketball in the Big East. Private School and Duke would improve the BE TV value.
Let’s be honest
, none of the top teams are going to the big 12
You have to have some lesser schools in even the big 2. I mean. Money or not. You can’t have elites playing elites every week. They need some lesser schools to fill out a schedule.
Duke basketball to the Big East. Same with UNC. Really the more I think about it,we should have separate football and basketball leagues. Soccer leagues,baseball leagues,hockey leagues. Seperate women’s leagues. This for me makes the most sense. Take a school like Connecticut. Who wouldn’t want them for basketball? But they are a liability in football. I don’t understand the logic of all or nothing with conferences.
Bro you don’t have an insider stop. What are you going to do when realignment is out of fashion?
Pittinger lost me at the 3:30 mark when he said that both North Carolina and Virginia would be good for the SEC's TV deal. If they were both so good then why is the ACC's TV deal so bad? That's what Florida St. and Clemson are trying to get away from. Also, it's not about being in a certain state anymore. If that were the case then the SEC never would've added the University of Texas when they already have Texas A&M.
New to this story? The ACC's media deal is bad because it's long-term and now way behind an unexpected inflation curve. CLEMSON & FSU's value is very reliant on football, the revenue gap is a high risk to that value, so they both are resorting to desperate measures.
UVA and UNC's value is far more diversified and not reliant on football. Both are far more secure absent any heavy political interference.
@@tarheel7406 It's all about football. It's not about any other sport.
Maybe you're new to the story.
@@chuckwest7045 "All about football" is the limited BIG12 perspective, also common with FSU fans. There's a reason why UNC is the top expansion target of both the SEC and B1G ~and~ why UNC and UVA are likely the only ACC members with a choice between the P2s.
@@tarheel7406 North Carolina's not the biggest target of the SEC or the Big Ten. You're delusional. You're a basketball school and basketball only brings in about 1/3rd of the revenue that football does.
@@chuckwest7045 The SEC has no interest in ND. UNC is the top expansion target of the SEC and B1G. The history and credible reporting all confirm this position. There is no shame in being a lower expansion target relative to UNC.
Don't listen to this FSU troll....he cannot be objective and truthful when it comes to some other schools in the ACC
Miami fits in the Big 2? Irrelavent football for more than 20 years...basketball rates below Western Kentucky. No recruit was even alive the last time they were decent.
No BIG12 team has won a football natty in 25+ seasons. Could be a fit.
Regardless, unlikely any ACC school moves to the new BIG12 unless there's a heavy depletion out to the SEC/B1G. Such a depletion most likely includes MIAMI. Such a depletion means it doesn't matter what the remainders do.
Miami was in the 2023 Final Four.
Louisville and Pitt and memphis heading to big 12
What they need to do is take the top 6 football colleges in each conference, elevate them to the super league for their benefit and leave all the conferences intact.
That's basically what's happening. The top 6 from the BIG12 (BIG8/SWC) have already been elevated.
@@tarheel7406 not exactly when they are purposely collapsing a confrence to elevate the money the other conferences will receive. I doubt any of this will become a reality until all the lawsuits and countersuits work their way through the legal system over the next several years.
@@gregblanton9386 I wrote basically the same as you. Of those outside of the SEC/B1G, already consolidated:
PAC group (4 total): WASH, ORE, USC, UCLA
BIG8/SWC group (6 total): ARK, NEB, TXAM, MO, TEXAS, OK
ACC/BIGEAST group (1 total): MARYLAND (maybe RUT)
The PAC is less densely populated but large, so 2 more is easily justified.
The B1G8/SWC is already covered and has a lower population. KANSAS is the most likely additional.
The ACC/BIGEAST is large, densely populated, high academic, and between the SEC/B1G. Good chance of getting the most elevated.
ND and PSU are treated as independents.
How the PAC, BIG12 and ACC has and will react to this consolidation are different questions.
Yall are idiots if your only adding schools based on size alone. For the millionth time the reason realignment is happening isn't solely based on school size it's about TV viewership particularly national viewership and the half of the Big 12 schools bring in better viewership then any of the bottom half of the teams currently in the SEC or Big 10 including schools you just brought up such as Maryland, Mizzu, Rutgers l, shit even Nebraska and Arkansas. Arkansas viewership has only gone up because they've been relatively competitive to start out the last few seasons but they've dropped off at the end of every season and Nebraskas viewership has been dwindling for the last 30 years since the early 90s because they can't seems to find away to compete in the Big 10 blue bloods muchless compete with the crap bottom end of the conference. TCU, OSU and Texas Tech will get picked up by one or the other conference if the Big 12 and ACC do fall apart. You can bet on it.
@@whmaxwell97 You are an "idiot" (your term) if you still think the way you do since this story is now almost 3 years sold. It's about holistic value within the expected ~48-team Tier 1 not value within the ow dying P5.
TCU and TXTECH are G5 equivalents and really didn't merit P5 inclusion. OKST is a low bubble team for the P2.
TJ an insider? Has poor critical thinking and is never correct.
Looks like i found the stupid section of the comments....TARHEEL😂😂😂
@@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r Any section in which you are commenting is likely the stupid section.
Big 10 & SEC doesn’t want Miami stop saying it
Florida state and Clemson heading to SEC
League insider? Seriously? Ijbol.
Oh goodie. The 1000th baseless realignment prediction apparently done solely to create content.
Clemson and Fsu going to Sec regardless
Both are disposable to the SEC.
The Big 12 is going to have to pick up its viewership/game in order to be taken seriously. If Louisville & Pitt, might as well take Syracuse come to the Big 12, they're going to require a bigger slice of the pie. Those teams will draw a million views per game, might as well grab Duke too. They're basketball will draw 2 o3 million per view especially if it's a big name opponent. But if the ACC and Big 12 merge it could be a really good conference, but big media will be paid to hype the big 2 and down our super conference.... so we have to figure that out too
For the love of God, the opinions of B1G fans and media doesn't matter? The vast majority of us doesn't want Clemson in the conference. We all want Miami.
Yes, Rutgers and Maryland would still be in the conference because UNC, UVA, and Irish didn't say yes in 2014. The same way Chicago and LA has a large concentration of B1G alums with money, so does the DMV and NYC. And so does Miami.
Cool, Clemson had good football for 10 years. This is a 50 year decision. Clemson brings absolutely nothing else athletically, academically, culturally, and geographically.
I love how everyone is allowed to project onto OUR conference that we've been part of since birth. Yes, Clemson is on the table. Most of us would be heated if Clemson is packaged with FSU instead of Miami.
Wow, even you can learn some things.
Since the SEC is unlikely to expand unless UNC is included, CLEMSON's recent tactics strongly suggest that the pair (+X?) will go to the SEC when/if.
FSU will likely wither on a B1G island. CLEMSON has even fewer synergies, bells and whistles.
Unless you’re a supporter of Ohio State, Michigan, or Penn State, The rest of you snobbish Big Ten fans should Just be quiet and be thankful That your conference leadership can’t just cut Your dead weight programs. The reason your commissioner wants a team like Clemson is because they need teams that can compete for playoff spots and outside of the three teams, I mentioned earlier and three of the four former pack 12 teams, the rest of the Big Ten programs have been making most of their profit off of the success of the top three teams in the conference, they have been caring you for years, like a hello Kitty backpack. The power to conferences will be making similar amounts of money. so what you now need in TV contract negotiations with the executives is leverage. and in today’s college football environment., playoff appearances, championships, and ratings are the leverage that will matter most. you want Miami in your conference because a lot of Big Ten fans live there? what has Miami done in the last 30 years? to warrant inclusion? you feel the need to add more deadweight? but you will run down a team that is ranked 14th and all time college football wins. 18 that can make your conference a lot more money with big game matchup and playoff appearances, but since you’re so smart and superior you go start the AAU tournament add tell us how the ratings on that does.
@@DaveDTitan Thanks for the dissertation. Unfortunately, you're completely wrong.
In the B1G, the university presidents have outsized power. Like in the NFL, the commissioner works for the university presidents and not the other way around. That's how Kevin Warren was iced out and Tony Pettiti immediately came in and did his best Goodell impression.
Second, being you clearly don't know about the conference, schools like Wisconsin and Iowa have outsized voting power. Michigan, OSU, Indiana (Bobby Knight), Northwestern, and others were against PSU joining the conference. Wisconsin cut a deal with Northwestern and other schools to earn their vote. PSU only lost 3 votes (Michigan, MSU, and Indiana) on the final ballot. So PSU is going to vote against the schools that voted for us? Donna Shalala was at Wisconsin at the time and then took over at Miami and still resides there. Hint Hint.
Third, the NSF Regional Innovation Engines grant pays out $160 million by itself. The federal government has infinitely more money than TV networks. Northwestern just raised $6 billion in 18 months from their alums in a capital campaign and only $800 million is going towards sports. If you think that B1G universities are paying the bills from athletics, then you have never read their P&L statements. PSU alone invested over $1.2 billion in research in 2023. The athletic department only earned $202 million. Clemson only invested $158 million into research. Sorry, football games isn't what drives the value of our degrees and how us B1G alums get paid after we graduate.
Your math doesn't math. It's this parroting without any historical context or command of the facts from ACC and Big 12 fans which is why actual B1G perspectives are necessary.
@@heartbreak25 dissertation? have you not seen how the landscape of college football has changed just in the last couple of years? you think these networks give a damn about what some universities, presidents, a couple of teens that don’t matter, and some naïve fans think? go ahead and get in the way of those profits and see how that works out for you. go ahead and keep making clown ass excuses for your buffoonish statements. there is nothing worse than somebody that acts superior. but has to depend on others to do the work that they can’t.
ACC collapse, ND and Stanford move to the BIG (20 teams). SEC stays at 16 teams. FSU better get good with less money....
😂😂😂keep watching dream bois
This makes no sense. The B1G already passed on Stanford when the PAC-12 split. And ND just signed a very lucrative TV deal with NBC.
Just nonsense....
If the ACC does collapse, I can see Notre Dame dropping its olympic sports in the B1G much like they did with the ACC with a similar contract but remaining independent in football. I do not know what fate awaits Stanford and California if the ACC does collapse, perhaps they rejoin with the Oregon State and Washington State and merge with the Mountain West Conference.
@@commandershepard7742
a) In context, the BIG12 has already collapsed.
b) The B1G isn't going to allow ND to remain indy. If ND is leaving the ACC, it will have no other realistic choice but the B1G in full.
In what world do you think the Big10 take Stanford over FSU?!?! Clown
lol
Just a couple talking heads.
One conference realignment grifter talking to another. Sheer speculation and talking out of their asses.
Current state of college football has gone far far left to the point of no returned. Which sucks for traditionalists historical fanatical beliefs like myself. Left ideology has spread across college football making conferences bailed out for new diseases
It does say something that BIG12 fans want to poach ACC members, but no ACC school wants to go to the BIG12.
NC State is next tier? They are higher tier than any big12 school. You are delusional. Boot some ACC teams? What about booting the trash big12 teams. What world are you living in?
What Big12 teams are in the ACC?
63 to 3 😂😂😂😂😂😂
TJ is wrong. The SEC will get FSU and Clemson. ESPN is far smarter than you are.
Smarter ? Dumb enough to give stolen Emmy 's to Kirk the jerk and Corso and get caught. Smarter ? Hee haw . Smarter enough to lie .
I disagree. If FSU goes to the SEspnC I think they will lose a lot of viewers. YOU do not realize the hate the FSU fans have for them.
ESPN has to let FSU go to the open market if they don't want to get sued by the other conferences. ESPN can always put up a better incentive package. But the B1G offers a full share along with the SEC, then FSU is going to the B1G knowing the SEC and ESPN will immediately try to devalue them.
@@heartbreak25 don’t sell it to us, sell it to Oregon and Washington.
Are you smarter than TJ?