Another fantastic episode and interview however way too short I wish they would have gotten into more Earl hebner referee his favorite matches that he refereed Etc. Hope they have him on again soon
my thoughts on montreal is i dont blame bret for not wanting to put over shawn because shawn told him hed never put him over and i dont blame vince for screwing bret because he needed that title off of him because if he had gone to wcw with that title eric bischoff would have turned that title into a joke so i see the point of view from each party
Brisco did it last second so that Hebner wouldn't have time to think about it and get out of doing it. Everything is done in a calculated way to do this the way McMahon wanted it done.
All the stories, surrounding the event, they're as entertaining as what happened, inside the ring. Jim Cornette also ran out of the building, that night, before it all blew up. Looking back, once the bell rang, it's funny seeing Hebner dive out of the ring, and flee for his life. At the time, watching when it aired, I was just looking at HBK, the Hitman, McMahon, and eventually Hunter. Now I watch to see Dave bail out of the ring and run.
I don't think bret wanted to drop it at all to anyone in Canada on that night. But he was still under contract the very next night on raw he could have came out and dropped it.
Easier said than done tbh... Had Vince changed the opponent to undertaker... It sets a bad example to the rest of the roster. Basically letting one of your workers dictate the rules. Future stars wouldn't take Vince (or the business) as serious afterwards because it would be a tremendous power shift. As an employee you must follow the game plan that the boss layout... Like him or not
@@rontorrefiel9180 holy shit. Brilliant statement. And 100% correct. Only thing I would interject. Vince also signs the contracts that the wrestler signs. And in brets contract he had creative control last 30 days as long as its reasonable problem reasonable is very subjective
I have a question. How can someone be screwed out of a belt that only exists in the land of Fantasy? Bret Hart was screwed out of nothing, oh other than an amicable leaving... and he did that all by himself. The Championship belt does not exist in the real world. Bret Hart still went on to the WCW with a million dollar deal and he collected on it, so he wasn't screwed out of a living. Bret Hart refused every kind of scenario in regards to dropping the belt to Shawn Michaels and it had nothing to do with a rivalry or Shawn saying he would never return the favour - it was all to do with Bret Hart's massive, uncontrollable EGO. Bret Hart did not want to drop the belt to anyone because he wanted to leave the WWF as an undefeated Champion. Problem with that is the WCW could have exploited it to their advantage and given at the time the WCW were killing the WWF in the ratings, I doubt Vince McMahon could let something like that happen.
also someone needs to tell bret there is no such thing as a technical wrestler in pro wrestling. its a performer doing fake moves that they think look technical. pro "wrestlers" are not even wrestlers they are performers. not wrestlers
Much respect to all involved. Montreal Screwjob was a work. It was a great work though because it fooled many people who worked in the business. That’s pretty awesome. The more interviews done about it, the more it exposes it as a work. Too many inconsistencies in stories from all involved. Watching Wrestling with Shadows really exposes it as a work. Terrible acting in the documentary, especially Bret’s ex-wife talking to “Hunter”. There just happens to be a documentary crew there that night? Yeah right.
The idea that it was all a work and that they’ve never exposed it as such for 25 years now is sillly. By now there is literally zero benefit to hiding it if it truly had been a work. Keeping it hush for a year or two? Ok. 25 and counting? Not a chance.
@@Matt-cr4vv The only people who'd really need to know about Bret being involved are Bret himself and Vince McMahon. Bret doesn't benefit from admitting he knew ahead of time. Vince tends more toward rewriting history to fit his present needs and less to reporting the truth for its own sake. It's possible Bret let Owen in on the secret to keep him from doing anything rash, but he's definitely not going to talk. Bret's injuries probably buried any hope of the truth coming out. It would've been easy fuel for a heel turn had he ever returned to the WWE.
Montreal - Greatest Pro Wrestling WORK in History, Almost everyone believes it except the Wrestlers, Only Wrestlers who say it was real are those still making money from WWE....Pro Wrestling is a "SHOW" Everyone you see on TV or In-Person are "Actors" they are doing a Script...The fact that so many Fans believe it is a Testimony to the Acting/Performing Skills of the Wrestler....as they say " Get Smart " about the Business....Nothing you see is not Planned ....
Ironically they were good friends for a long time before they ever had their issues. I wonder how much Bret being pissed that Hogan never put him over factored into their eventual issues and how insistent Bret became about Shawn needing to put him over. Almost as if he did with Shawn what he wanted to with Hulk but because of who Hulk is as he couldn’t do that so he finally did it with Shawn. Almost rhink Shawn’s issues may have made Bret madder than they would have because of how he felt he was treated by Hogan.
The idea any of these guys were supposed to risk losing their jobs to be loyal to Bret who was leaving to make $1M more a year and a lighter schedule elsewhere is fucking silly. Bret was leaving for more money he wasn’t gonna be paying these dudes bills when they got fired for not doing what they were told to do. Bret, whether you see his point or not, put them in shitty situations where they couldn’t win. They were forced into a choice between their jobs or destroying their reputation with the locker room by listening to what they were told to be loyal to a dude who was leaving to make substantially more money somewhere else all because he was upset about Shawn being a dick and decided he couldn’t lose in Canada. Bret for the shaft in this but it wasn’t reasonable what he thought should happen.
I wonder how Bret would’ve felt if Shawn was the one leaving to make $1M more a year in guaranteed money for the competition while working an extremely reduced schedule and decided that he just couldn’t lose the title to Bret in Texas because he just couldn’t lose there. And how he’d have felt if Shawn’s solution was to hand over the belt the next night without losing it because he had reasonable creative control and just couldn’t lose in Texas because he was a hero in Texas. If we’re honest about it Bret would still be doing shoots on Shawn about how selfish he was to not lose and how not losing in Texas wasn’t reasonable. I mean Bret still shoots about how Shawn simply said he wouldn’t put him over and how that suddenly made him refuse to lose to him now when he may very well have done what he was told if Vince told him to lose to Bret. Bret probably is a good dude but he has serious double standards about almost everything.
@@Matt-cr4vv Bret's no saint but Shawn did everything in his power to make the WWF look like a joke, he was supposed to lose the belt and came up with the 'lost his smile' crap instead. No-one trusted him to do the right thing for the business, even Undertaker was preparing to shoot on him at WM14 since he thought he'd pull the same Montreal stunt on Austin.
Brisco was a certified coward. There was many other avenues that could have been gone down to have got this done without burying Brett. I call bs on all of this.
They offered him tons of other options and he refused to lose in Canada as if that was ever reasonable. Brets reasonable compromise was to end the match in a confusion where nobody won and then he surrenders the belt the next day and leaves to go make substantially more money as the figurative champion since he wouldn’t lose the belt. His offer wasn’t even losing the belt the next night which still wasn’t reasonable - the reasonable offer was to completely change the company’s future plans and surrender the belt without losing it to leave and make more money. Bret’s reasonable idea benefitted nobody besides himself, forced everyone working with him into shitty lose loose choices, and he was the victim while leaving to make more guaranteed money with a lighter schedule. And Brisco was supposed to risk his job and the health of the company he works for because the guy leaving for more money couldn’t lose in Canada. Bret wasn’t gonna be paying his bills if he got fired for refusing to do what he did. You’ can talk all this game about it being cowardly but you’d do the same thing he did if you had to choose to refuse so that the guy leaving for more money would get his way and risk your job and livelihood or do what you’re being asked to do by the owner of the company you work for. It’s easy to be the white knight of morality when you have nothing on the line but it’s a whole other thing when you have to make this lose lose choice because someone won’t lose in their home country for god sake - even in a BS fluke way that they could brush off going forward all because the guy you’re losing to is a douche bag. And it goes without saying Brisco is a badass you’d never have the balls to say he was a coward to his face. It’s fascinating that there are people actually goofy enough to think it was ever reasonable that people should risk losing their jobs all to appease a guy who wasn’t being reasonable in what he wanted to have done. And Bret probably knows what he wanted wasn’t reasonable but will never own that. He knew well before it happened he was gonna get screwed because whether he can admit it or not he knows deep down that what he expected to happen was never a reasonable thing to happen and if any other guy had insisted on what he wanted to happen to happen for them while he was in Shawn’s shoes and staying he’d never have seen them as making a fair decision. He thinks he was right only because it benefitted himself and if Shawn ever had done the same thing he’d have ragged on him being selfish and not willing to do business to this day. Bret forced this on himself and he knew before it happened what was coming to him.
Another fantastic episode and interview however way too short I wish they would have gotten into more Earl hebner referee his favorite matches that he refereed Etc. Hope they have him on again soon
It’s a clip of a specific subject not the entire episode
Amazing clip
my thoughts on montreal is i dont blame bret for not wanting to put over shawn because shawn told him hed never put him over and i dont blame vince for screwing bret because he needed that title off of him because if he had gone to wcw with that title eric bischoff would have turned that title into a joke so i see the point of view from each party
Nice to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. #SCM
Can you all invest in some better mics ? I love this show
Brisco did it last second so that Hebner wouldn't have time to think about it and get out of doing it. Everything is done in a calculated way to do this the way McMahon wanted it done.
would be funny for Earl to do it again in Canada….😂
All the stories, surrounding the event, they're as entertaining as what happened, inside the ring. Jim Cornette also ran out of the building, that night, before it all blew up. Looking back, once the bell rang, it's funny seeing Hebner dive out of the ring, and flee for his life. At the time, watching when it aired, I was just looking at HBK, the Hitman, McMahon, and eventually Hunter. Now I watch to see Dave bail out of the ring and run.
They should've had Bret drop the title to Taker or somebody else, bunch of fuss over nothing really
Or have him drop the belt to Owen nobody would say anything ,then Owen would've had a good run with Austin ,Hbk,Triple h etc.
WCW was in the picture at the time
I don't think bret wanted to drop it at all to anyone in Canada on that night. But he was still under contract the very next night on raw he could have came out and dropped it.
Easier said than done tbh... Had Vince changed the opponent to undertaker... It sets a bad example to the rest of the roster. Basically letting one of your workers dictate the rules. Future stars wouldn't take Vince (or the business) as serious afterwards because it would be a tremendous power shift. As an employee you must follow the game plan that the boss layout... Like him or not
@@rontorrefiel9180 holy shit. Brilliant statement. And 100% correct. Only thing I would interject. Vince also signs the contracts that the wrestler signs. And in brets contract he had creative control last 30 days as long as its reasonable problem reasonable is very subjective
If Shawn Michaels wasn't such a jerk this could have been handeled in a different way. But the CLIQ ran everything.
It was a work
I have a question. How can someone be screwed out of a belt that only exists in the land of Fantasy? Bret Hart was screwed out of nothing, oh other than an amicable leaving... and he did that all by himself. The Championship belt does not exist in the real world. Bret Hart still went on to the WCW with a million dollar deal and he collected on it, so he wasn't screwed out of a living. Bret Hart refused every kind of scenario in regards to dropping the belt to Shawn Michaels and it had nothing to do with a rivalry or Shawn saying he would never return the favour - it was all to do with Bret Hart's massive, uncontrollable EGO. Bret Hart did not want to drop the belt to anyone because he wanted to leave the WWF as an undefeated Champion. Problem with that is the WCW could have exploited it to their advantage and given at the time the WCW were killing the WWF in the ratings, I doubt Vince McMahon could let something like that happen.
also someone needs to tell bret there is no such thing as a technical wrestler in pro wrestling. its a performer doing fake moves that they think look technical. pro "wrestlers" are not even wrestlers they are performers. not wrestlers
you tell that to the $9.2 evaluation the WWE just got….😂
Much respect to all involved. Montreal Screwjob was a work. It was a great work though because it fooled many people who worked in the business. That’s pretty awesome. The more interviews done about it, the more it exposes it as a work. Too many inconsistencies in stories from all involved. Watching Wrestling with Shadows really exposes it as a work. Terrible acting in the documentary, especially Bret’s ex-wife talking to “Hunter”. There just happens to be a documentary crew there that night? Yeah right.
The idea that it was all a work and that they’ve never exposed it as such for 25 years now is sillly. By now there is literally zero benefit to hiding it if it truly had been a work. Keeping it hush for a year or two? Ok. 25 and counting? Not a chance.
@@Matt-cr4vv The only people who'd really need to know about Bret being involved are Bret himself and Vince McMahon. Bret doesn't benefit from admitting he knew ahead of time. Vince tends more toward rewriting history to fit his present needs and less to reporting the truth for its own sake. It's possible Bret let Owen in on the secret to keep him from doing anything rash, but he's definitely not going to talk.
Bret's injuries probably buried any hope of the truth coming out. It would've been easy fuel for a heel turn had he ever returned to the WWE.
Montreal - Greatest Pro Wrestling WORK in History, Almost everyone believes it except the Wrestlers, Only Wrestlers who say it was real are those still making money from WWE....Pro Wrestling is a "SHOW" Everyone you see on TV or In-Person are "Actors" they are doing a Script...The fact that so many Fans believe it is a Testimony to the Acting/Performing Skills of the Wrestler....as they say " Get Smart " about the Business....Nothing you see is not Planned ....
Brett and Shawn, two alpha males that couldn't get along.
Ironically they were good friends for a long time before they ever had their issues. I wonder how much Bret being pissed that Hogan never put him over factored into their eventual issues and how insistent Bret became about Shawn needing to put him over. Almost as if he did with Shawn what he wanted to with Hulk but because of who Hulk is as he couldn’t do that so he finally did it with Shawn. Almost rhink Shawn’s issues may have made Bret madder than they would have because of how he felt he was treated by Hogan.
Brisco has been a sellout since he sold his share of Georgia championship wrestling.
The idea any of these guys were supposed to risk losing their jobs to be loyal to Bret who was leaving to make $1M more a year and a lighter schedule elsewhere is fucking silly. Bret was leaving for more money he wasn’t gonna be paying these dudes bills when they got fired for not doing what they were told to do. Bret, whether you see his point or not, put them in shitty situations where they couldn’t win. They were forced into a choice between their jobs or destroying their reputation with the locker room by listening to what they were told to be loyal to a dude who was leaving to make substantially more money somewhere else all because he was upset about Shawn being a dick and decided he couldn’t lose in Canada. Bret for the shaft in this but it wasn’t reasonable what he thought should happen.
I wonder how Bret would’ve felt if Shawn was the one leaving to make $1M more a year in guaranteed money for the competition while working an extremely reduced schedule and decided that he just couldn’t lose the title to Bret in Texas because he just couldn’t lose there. And how he’d have felt if Shawn’s solution was to hand over the belt the next night without losing it because he had reasonable creative control and just couldn’t lose in Texas because he was a hero in Texas. If we’re honest about it Bret would still be doing shoots on Shawn about how selfish he was to not lose and how not losing in Texas wasn’t reasonable. I mean Bret still shoots about how Shawn simply said he wouldn’t put him over and how that suddenly made him refuse to lose to him now when he may very well have done what he was told if Vince told him to lose to Bret. Bret probably is a good dude but he has serious double standards about almost everything.
@@Matt-cr4vv Bret's no saint but Shawn did everything in his power to make the WWF look like a joke, he was supposed to lose the belt and came up with the 'lost his smile' crap instead. No-one trusted him to do the right thing for the business, even Undertaker was preparing to shoot on him at WM14 since he thought he'd pull the same Montreal stunt on Austin.
Brisco was a certified coward. There was many other avenues that could have been gone down to have got this done without burying Brett. I call bs on all of this.
They offered him tons of other options and he refused to lose in Canada as if that was ever reasonable. Brets reasonable compromise was to end the match in a confusion where nobody won and then he surrenders the belt the next day and leaves to go make substantially more money as the figurative champion since he wouldn’t lose the belt. His offer wasn’t even losing the belt the next night which still wasn’t reasonable - the reasonable offer was to completely change the company’s future plans and surrender the belt without losing it to leave and make more money. Bret’s reasonable idea benefitted nobody besides himself, forced everyone working with him into shitty lose loose choices, and he was the victim while leaving to make more guaranteed money with a lighter schedule.
And Brisco was supposed to risk his job and the health of the company he works for because the guy leaving for more money couldn’t lose in Canada. Bret wasn’t gonna be paying his bills if he got fired for refusing to do what he did. You’ can talk all this game about it being cowardly but you’d do the same thing he did if you had to choose to refuse so that the guy leaving for more money would get his way and risk your job and livelihood or do what you’re being asked to do by the owner of the company you work for. It’s easy to be the white knight of morality when you have nothing on the line but it’s a whole other thing when you have to make this lose lose choice because someone won’t lose in their home country for god sake - even in a BS fluke way that they could brush off going forward all because the guy you’re losing to is a douche bag. And it goes without saying Brisco is a badass you’d never have the balls to say he was a coward to his face. It’s fascinating that there are people actually goofy enough to think it was ever reasonable that people should risk losing their jobs all to appease a guy who wasn’t being reasonable in what he wanted to have done. And Bret probably knows what he wanted wasn’t reasonable but will never own that. He knew well before it happened he was gonna get screwed because whether he can admit it or not he knows deep down that what he expected to happen was never a reasonable thing to happen and if any other guy had insisted on what he wanted to happen to happen for them while he was in Shawn’s shoes and staying he’d never have seen them as making a fair decision. He thinks he was right only because it benefitted himself and if Shawn ever had done the same thing he’d have ragged on him being selfish and not willing to do business to this day. Bret forced this on himself and he knew before it happened what was coming to him.