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Built 4 Noblers. Last one weighted 29 oz. Was a winning plane. Fox 35. Built a Shark 45 while in college. What a dog in the air. Could hardly hold on to the control handle. Then a Ares from the kit. It flew horrible. Of course later found out why. 🤔 Built a 59 Ares. Was too pretty to fly. Was in RC pattern by then. 2nd at nat's in 1917. Prostate cancer and Old Age caught up with me. Was a Beechcraft Baron charter pilot. Love your channel and everything that flys. Thank-you Sir
Lots of good info here. One thing about sweep/taper, this adds directional stability in yaw. So this may not be as important in C/L, but if done properly it would eliminate hinging, and not require as much side area. Just basically track better through the turns. Also, higher aspect ratios are more efficient, so you tend not to lose speed in the turn. Maybe more constant speed? Look at Adamisin designs. He like high aspect ratios. I come from a CL combat design back ground, and we always prefered higher aspect ratios. You could literally catch up to a VooDoo pig through the turn. Just something to chew on. I am not an engineer either. Just a lot of building and flying.
The Nobler was a grear airplane for stunt flying. My father and I used to fly the plane in México City over 45 years ago. We flew combat flying with TOP FLIGHT planes. Congratulation for your information. Great flying
Very interesting video Sparky. Controline is so interesting. I've always felt that the biggest challenge for myself is to build a plane that is capable. You got to build light. Like you said in the video, "take a well built Sig Twister, and it will fly well". Got to build light and experiment. Thanks for the video.
Interesting theory, however, if you start experimenting with the wing design, you can get something the size of a Nobler to turn a corner like a combat model and not loose speed! Move the centre of lift forward, bring the Centre of Gravity forward also to match and see what happens. :) After spending many hours researching designs, my father and myself decided to break all the conventions and went blank sheet, using hands on knowledge of flying aerobatic aeroplanes, our knowledge of aerofoil designs of aircraft from the 1950's as compared to laminar flow aerofoils of today, and what we wanted the model to perform like. It had to be stable in level flight, and any other trajectory and hold it. Be easily looped and balanced inside and out, yet can be easily placed exactly on the line. It had to be stable on windy days. It needed to fly as slow as possible. It needed to turn high G corners without buffet or stalling..... We built it, and tested it, and it worked! Then a couple of years later, the Sukhoi Design Bureau released the SU-26. OMG! They stole our wing design, nearly exactly! Should have been cutting spruce instead of balsa... Lol.
Nice job Sparky Love the plans in the background. Very good. I for what it’s worth agree that the Nobler is one if not the root of all Stunt designs. I loved building the Green Box Geetsee from TopFlight. Thanks
One thing I wonder about is why no one ever tried side force generators a la RC 3D foamie on CL stunt what with all the overhead maneuvers. Back in 1966 I flew CL. No way I could afford a Nobler. Went RC in 1972.
Activity in u control..i never got envolved in however dad was in it & still has many of his u control planes because method used on theme was many hours old fashion building silk & dope preserved models of smouthy & many others so that beeing said age of 90 plus years old.
I made the mistake of asking Bret a question, he soon forgets that we're not all Aeronautical engineers with a Doctorate, and a five second answer comes out an hour and a half later., My dad was an Aeronautical Engineer, but he kept the answers simple, so my teen age brain could handle it. Bret is also great at helping you fix your problems in the pattern, either by watching or simply flying your plane and telling you what to do to make it more competitive. I listened to every one of his little classes and learned as much as I could. My dad kept it simple for me, if it looks like it might fly, it probably will...with enough engine on it.
Hi Sparky, I enjoyed the video, I too am someone that has always just kind of eyeballed things, If it looks right, it's probably gonna work right, also sometimes things that measure straight, look crooked, so I build to the looks , then check measurements. But a lot of people don't have a brain that works simple like mine. I do the same thing machining model engines. Have a great Christmas !
Where could someone possibly steal some plans like you have.how can you determine what size to make the rudder is there a rule of thumb..lol great video
What's your theory on lap time adjustment with fine tuning it with line length changes and prop diameter and pitch adjustments? How about a short video on that?
Damn straight there's a LOT to know here! But... the TLAR rule rules :) (that looks about right) Like a boat, or a any aeroplane, if it looks good, it probably is... Great video on design Sparky - Thanks :)
the wing is one pencil width wider on the wing and some parts are molded on the Gieske Nobler. Other than that as far as I know the numbers are the same.
Built 4 Noblers. Last one weighted 29 oz. Was a winning plane. Fox 35. Built a Shark 45 while in college. What a dog in the air. Could hardly hold on to the control handle. Then a Ares from the kit. It flew horrible. Of course later found out why. 🤔 Built a 59 Ares. Was too pretty to fly. Was in RC pattern by then. 2nd at nat's in 1917. Prostate cancer and Old Age caught up with me. Was a Beechcraft Baron charter pilot. Love your channel and everything that flys. Thank-you Sir
Lots of good info here. One thing about sweep/taper, this adds directional stability in yaw. So this may not be as important in C/L, but if done properly it would eliminate hinging, and not require as much side area. Just basically track better through the turns. Also, higher aspect ratios are more efficient, so you tend not to lose speed in the turn. Maybe more constant speed? Look at Adamisin designs. He like high aspect ratios. I come from a CL combat design back ground, and we always prefered higher aspect ratios. You could literally catch up to a VooDoo pig through the turn. Just something to chew on. I am not an engineer either. Just a lot of building and flying.
Thanks for the observation.
The Nobler was a grear airplane for stunt flying. My father and I used to fly the plane in México City over 45 years ago. We flew combat flying with TOP FLIGHT planes. Congratulation for your information. Great flying
Very interesting video Sparky. Controline is so interesting. I've always felt that the biggest challenge for myself is to build a plane that is capable. You got to build light. Like you said in the video, "take a well built Sig Twister, and it will fly well". Got to build light and experiment. Thanks for the video.
Quote of the century - "A toilet seat will fly if you put enough horsepower to it", classic!!
Interesting theory, however, if you start experimenting with the wing design, you can get something the size of a Nobler to turn a corner like a combat model and not loose speed!
Move the centre of lift forward, bring the Centre of Gravity forward also to match and see what happens. :)
After spending many hours researching designs, my father and myself decided to break all the conventions and went blank sheet, using hands on knowledge of flying aerobatic aeroplanes, our knowledge of aerofoil designs of aircraft from the 1950's as compared to laminar flow aerofoils of today, and what we wanted the model to perform like.
It had to be stable in level flight, and any other trajectory and hold it.
Be easily looped and balanced inside and out, yet can be easily placed exactly on the line.
It had to be stable on windy days.
It needed to fly as slow as possible.
It needed to turn high G corners without buffet or stalling.....
We built it, and tested it, and it worked!
Then a couple of years later, the Sukhoi Design Bureau released the SU-26.
OMG!
They stole our wing design, nearly exactly!
Should have been cutting spruce instead of balsa... Lol.
Thanks for the info. Please check out my VIPER design theory of airfoils and center of pressure and let me know what you think?
Nice job Sparky
Love the plans in the background. Very good. I for what it’s worth agree that the Nobler is one if not the root of all Stunt designs. I loved building the Green Box Geetsee from TopFlight. Thanks
One thing I wonder about is why no one ever tried side force generators a la RC 3D foamie on CL stunt what with all the overhead maneuvers.
Back in 1966 I flew CL. No way I could afford a Nobler. Went RC in 1972.
Activity in u control..i never got envolved in however dad was in it & still has many of his u control planes because method used on theme was many hours old fashion building silk & dope preserved models of smouthy & many others so that beeing said age of 90 plus years old.
Good job Sparky. Nice to see you back.
I made the mistake of asking Bret a question, he soon forgets that we're not all Aeronautical engineers with a Doctorate, and a five second answer comes out an hour and a half later., My dad was an Aeronautical Engineer, but he kept the answers simple, so my teen age brain could handle it. Bret is also great at helping you fix your problems in the pattern, either by watching or simply flying your plane and telling you what to do to make it more competitive. I listened to every one of his little classes and learned as much as I could. My dad kept it simple for me, if it looks like it might fly, it probably will...with enough engine on it.
Excellent !!! That was a nice Christmas gift to us - this video -
Hi Sparky,
I enjoyed the video, I too am someone that has always just kind of eyeballed things, If it looks right, it's probably gonna work right, also sometimes things that measure straight, look crooked, so I build to the looks , then check measurements. But a lot of people don't have a brain that works simple like mine. I do the same thing machining model engines.
Have a great Christmas !
Thanks, Robert and a Merry Christmas to you and yours.
Where could someone possibly steal some plans like you have.how can you determine what size to make the rudder is there a rule of thumb..lol great video
What's your theory on lap time adjustment with fine tuning it with line length changes and prop diameter and pitch adjustments? How about a short video on that?
I designed several free flight and control line planes, much fun.
It still is fun come on back and do it.
correct
Damn straight there's a LOT to know here! But... the TLAR rule rules :) (that looks about right) Like a boat, or a any aeroplane, if it looks good, it probably is... Great
video on design Sparky - Thanks :)
Thanks
No insult, I made a JR Nobler into a slope glider aileron and elevator only a handful but fast and fun
cool
Hi, tell me diferent Gieske nobler and diferent a originál Nobler??
the wing is one pencil width wider on the wing and some parts are molded on the Gieske Nobler. Other than that as far as I know the numbers are the same.
Uugh! Un equal wing panels 🙄