Control Line Handle Talk First Maneuvers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- If you fly control line you'll find there is a lack of good info on handles out there.
I am no expert but though I would share my experience of handle knowledge.
Also hearing from many new control line flyers who end up flying alone and and wondering what stunts to work on first and how.
Please check the links below for more info.
Shug
Brodak Hobbies-HANDLES....brodak.com/con...
Brodak CL Tutorials.....brodak.com/tut...
Brodak Stunting Tips....brodak.com/stu...
Great info Shug... the control line world is fortunate to have you sharing all your information. Keep it up, it helps the hobby grow!
Much appreciated. Thankee for watching
Flew them way way waaaayyyyyy back ... thank you for bringing back memories and the possibility that I may get myself back into it. !!!
FIXED RUDDER !!!
We flew some yesterday. Rudder offset is a topic of discussion these days. Some use no offset in rudder. Line rake and engine offset can do the job. So it goes. Hope you do grab a handle again.
The first channel that explains how it works. Seen so much of it. But no explanation how it works. Thanks shugemery
Glad the video had some value. Thankee for watching it.
Awesome video, you really explain everything so clearly I could’ve used this info in 1974 anyways I’m back right at the beginning and enjoying every moment. Thank you.
Must be good fun being back at it. I took in more seriously my second time back...to finally learn the stunt pattern.
Great to see your vids!
Love the ingenuity in your hobbies and the heart and soul you put in. Planes are beautiful!
Thankee for watching
Great job Shug
We desperately need new young flyers. I love that your back. Thanks. Terry&ThePirates
Was I gone? Maybe your just not getting my feed....studio.th-cam.com/channels/27nqmEhKzD9YHK1IFwG7qA.htmlvideos/upload?o=U&filter=%5B%5D&sort=%7B%22columnType%22%3A%22date%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22DESCENDING%22%7D
Hey Shug, Wayne here from MCLS in Huntersville. Glad to see your still flying as we are also. Great tutorial. Cheers…
Whoooooo Buddy))))
Hey Shug, Wayne here from MCLS in Huntersville. Glad to see your still flying as we are also. Great tutorial. Cheers…
Hey Wayne. Still at it but just for fun! Still trying to improve though.
Your videos have inspired me to pick up the handle again..... Did a lot of C/L years ago but no immunity from crashing! Getting through lots of propellers but making progress. Thanks
There is never immunity from crashing! Righto. Hope you get back and give it a go.
Great video, loved every minute. Thanks for the handy links in the description too 😁👍
You betcha~~~~
Outstanding tutorial Shug!!
Thank you kindly.....Thankee for watching
Great stuff Shug ! Thanks, enjoyed that look into the world of control - line aircraft. I never realized they could do all that - multiple loops ect.
Appreciate you watching.
Great video. I fasten to the plane first and walk the lines out maintaining tension and use my spare hand to make sure there are no twists, then fit the handle.
I always leave dedicated line for each plane on the handle for that plane. Thankee.
Got to say that this is just about THE PRIMER for anyone with questions about all this circle turning business. I've checked out several of your videos, but somehow missed this one. It covers all the stuff...with just enough info on each subject to keep it rolling and interesting, and I immediately posted it to my FB page.
I've often joked that a modeler's field box can tell you at a glance what you need to know about him...from the "Box 'o Stuff"...to the "Operating Room Tray"...to the "Ready-For-Anything with Enough Gear to Almost Build a Plane on the Spot"...(I'm somewhere in the middle!).
Anyway, thanks again for your work in making these videos!!!!!!!!!
Best Wishes, Kim
Glad to hear that and thankee.
This is exactly what i have needed to hear. Lots of mistakes learning by trial n error. Thanks shug!
Only way to get there. Thankee for watching
The best video ever explaining the basics of your first U-Control flight . Great work Shug! Ought to make a few more to complete the series. :)
Glad it was helpful! Thankee. I may make more. We'll see.....
Thanks Shug, that was very informative! I fly R.C. and am into bush planes and they all have floats!! Lots of fun,thanks again. Joe
Glad you enjoyed it.
This channel is awesome. Thanks 'shug'
Thankee for watching.
Shug it has been a while. Thanks so much for making it back. Your looking good brother man and I hope you do much for flying I really miss your videos man. Great job on introducing new fliers on how to get started and things to do. Awesome man! I have to let you know I'm also a Pirate from Terry baby you know who (Florida). I'm in Idaho but plan on joining him soon and flying is going to be on the board. Looking forward to that. Keep them coming man.
Thanks Pirate. I have been putting out videos though. Maybe you just don't see them.....studio.th-cam.com/channels/27nqmEhKzD9YHK1IFwG7qA.htmlvideos/upload?o=U&filter=%5B%5D&sort=%7B%22columnType%22%3A%22date%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22DESCENDING%22%7D
Loved that view from your perspective, very interesting to see the work that goes into this hobby!
Lot more too it than meets the eye. Thankee for watching
My dad flew this style and I remember watching him as a kid, but knowing nothing of how it all worked. He flew the combat type. You've filled in the blanks Shug, thanks. He later tried to learn R/C but he never got a hang for it. I never tried, chasing girls in those days.
Combat still goes on. Chase away......
@@shugemery Yes, I looked that up. I wonder if that old plane is yet around. I don't know if he ever actually chased a ribbon. I watched one combat video, I cannot imagine keeping the lines un-crossed. Looks like a super hoot. Thanks for the lesson.
....meget informativ, takker for indblik & indsigt 👍🏻🙏🏻
Jeg værdsætter, at du så på. Flyve kontrollinje!
Nice instructional video. I never did the sport so until now I didn't know how much I didn't know about it. You are a natural teacher.
There is room for a third or fourth line. You could hook a trigger finger line to do things like smoke, parachute, machine gun.
Just a thought.
Some use a third like as a throttle. Mainly for Scale airplanes.
Oh man! I use to fly those when I was a kid! I had the cox, I had WWI and WWII planes. My favorite was a Corsair.
Amazing it is a still a thing right?
@@shugemery I was shocked to see your video! I didn't even know that anyone still did this!
Looks like expert care and handling to me!
~ I have not flown since junior high, those little .049 jobs. There is quite a bit to all of this.
Well done sir!
More than meets the eye for sure. Thankee for watching
Very interesting. First time I've ever seen such a thing
Thankee for watching.
Thank you, thank you, thank you very much. So much great information on handles and stunting. I have been trying to find a video like this that actually shows the stunt and handle position at the same time. Your tips about performing the actual stunts is an appreciated bonus! Could you recommend beginner stunt model, engine, handle, line setups? Thanks again!
Starting out...maybe a nice 1/2A plane. Electric is popular these days.
brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/1-2-a-series.html
brodak.com/control-line-parts/1-2-control-line-supplies/1-2a-control-line-flite-pak.html
brodak.com/electric-accessories-1/complete-power-packages/electric-power-package-for-1-2a-series-does-not-include-plane.html
Thanks for share Shug
Righto~~!
Interesting observation about the risk of crashing being part of the appeal. At first, just making it around for a full tank is a major accomplishment. Successful stunts add to the excitement. Finally, you tempt fate by seeing how close you can cut it before pulling out. And sometimes, of course, you cut it a bit too close. (A man's got to know his limitations.)
I have found that activities with a good learning curve tend to e the most rewarding. Always tell new control liners to get some epoxy and CA and get used to re-building. And taking apart engines to clean them out after crash. Those limitations get learned eventually. I've reduced my impulse control~~
Thanks Shug for doing these vids to help tutor us, I wrote to you some time back, and did crash 2 planes and it SUCKED BADLY, just dropped the handle on the second, any way I am still working on it. This vid on handles is good, have 2 that you show, the one that moves the lines closer to center is the one I have to use for the quick response stab. I may not get as good to compete but I like just to go out and have fun, just flying and feel no pressure that I need to do an over head 8 or an outside loop, just good simple flying. Thanks again, hope to get to meet and just fly and share stories with you.
As long as your having fun...all is good.
Great video and descriptions. 👍
Hey Will!!!
Shug, if you ever visit Canada look me up. Would be great to spend a day flying with you.
Maybe one day!
Dang, Shug. I'm a hammock guy, but I might have to mow my back field and get into this.
Many are taking old planes off the wall and giving it a go. Fly ControlLine~~~~
Renaissance Man! 🇺🇸!
Thankee for watching.
WhooooooooooooBudddddddyyyyy!!! Much Love out to The Lord of Lollygag!!!!
I tell ya what... It feels real good to keep getting in the comments so early....EARLY!!!
Oh that would be a great nose art,
Picture a juggler with those words around it. "Lord of Lollygag"
Thankee.
Great videos im just starting in the spring I had some planes given to me a nobler and a few kits
Get plenty of epoxy for repairs! Enjoy and be patient.
Thx Shug!!
You bet!
You have great toys sir!!! I love that!!
Thankee for watching
I just had that old, big, red Top-Flight handle. The really heavy one with the thick wire cable leads that adjusted with a two hole plate in the back. You know the one I mean? It worked awesome. My elbow at my hip and only wrist and elbow movement to fly.
I do for sure.
@@shugemery I actually loved mine
I realize this video is 4 years old, but that you so much for making it and sharing it with us.
Thanks. Never really enough handle info out there in the hobby. It begins in the hand.....
This video is magnificent regarding the handles...one question: are there steel control cables which are covered with an insulated material?
Thankee. Handles are so important in this hobby! I have no idea if they make those insulated lines. Maybe a google search will provide an answer.
Hey shug! I'm going to start with wtf yes I said wtf! I am watching your control line flying vids yes I said vids brings me back to my buddies father Jerry weston r/c and control line flyer also a commercial airline pilot. Yes I had several flights and crashes. In addition I am an avid backpacker have been since I was 12 (I am 53 as of june) I've gone by" kernal" for all of my adult life can not get enough of bwcawa and sht have you ever considered isle royale? I highly recommend. I am Doing the angleworm lake trail late Sept. With 2 old buddies. Another tale my father's name is Earl. I remember my mother saying "early" the same way you n hickery say it. Is it wrong that I understand the maple king. Absolutely enjoyed all your video's after discovering your channel about 4 weeks ago!
We have some great hiking in Minnesota and I feel fortunate to have it. Thankee for the good words.
It is sooo beautiful sir, wouldnt you rather be holding a paintbrush out there? Glue. I knew it. Those clouds tho in the first clip... magriite is jealous!
Naw...I like that handle feel. Paintbrush is for home.
At the field...painting pictures in the sky.
Cool toolbox... I like a well stocked and sorted box. l have a base and topper in my garage; an ammo-can in my car, a tool-roll in each of my motorcycles, and a fold-out Craftsman portable in the 'cycles storage container. And I never see them open. I may be lazy, but preparedness is cheap insurance.
Great video great detail I really enjoy this I have a ringmaster 19 size engine on it I need to get it out and fly it
Go for it!
Like the Broadac thanks
Righto~~
You're fine.It's just like I used to fly in the same way
I'm a lefty circling righty.
very good !!!!!
Thank you. Never enough handle info out there~
Ohhhh... crashing SUCKS. Hope the repair goes smoothly. Gotta find that new balance too, eh?
Repaired structurally. Now to paint the repair.
We're the same age. Best friend was in the hobby. Very cool. Many younger guys join,?
Not too many. I am considered a younger guy!
How similar is this to controlling a stunt kite? Looks similar in the video. Looks like a lot of fun!
Different I suppose as our planes have engines. But still controlling and flying by line.
That’s a good looking profile Mustang, what kit or plans is that built from?
I have no idea. It may have been scratch built. I bought it from a guy who bought it from a guy.
brodak.com/p-51b-mustang-kit.html this may do?
My brother got a Cox plane for his birthday in the 70's and never got it to run long enough to try and fly it.
I would like to know where people fly these planes near me in Buffalo Grove IL so I could see them fly and maybe get a plane myself and learn to fly.
I know some folks come to contests from Chicago. Here is the info I found....www.modelaircraft.org/club/chicagoland-circle-cutters
This is perfect for jr birdman!🐔🦅
Working my way to Senior Crow-man
@@shugemery YAAA BUDDYYYYY! up in de air senior birdman up in de air up side down! Up in zi air senior birdman with your tail up in zi air... senior moment forgetting the lyrics of that old favorite campsong.🏕🏕🏕💺🛩✈
This is off subject, but it's your latest video. I'm starting to make my first DIY hammock and just so happens it's one of my favorite colors, Kelly Green, #GREENBEANNATION. Can't wait.
Whoooooo Buddy)))))
hello i want to make a control line plane do you know what lines is that?, i see videos on youtube that you can use a guitar string and aluminum wires for the controls is it right?
I get mine here.....brodak.com/control-line-parts/control-lines.html
Mine are 9 strand. Length and line diameter depends on engine and airplane weight.
Nice way to remember your Dad on your field box.
The Chief~~~~~Thankee for watching
Wow lookit all that stuff you need to fly control line. Do you need a crew chief for each plane?
More too it after first glance.
Out of curiosity is anyone still flying 3 wire throttle and tail hook carriers? I was a stunter in the 60s and 70s with the AMA but my love was carrier... You make me want to CL again I thought it was a dead sport.
They sure do...it lives on.
Hey Shug, re-watching this video on handles... What are those connectors that can be seen on 1min14sec? Seem like a sort of spring holding the connecting wires.. What is that? Thanks!
They are called "Hello Kitty" clips. I like them but hard to get. Scroll down to hard point handle...www.aeroproduct.net
Interesting! I always see rc planes flying off the NW corner of 169, and 610 doing aerials. I've heard that there's a rc club thrre.
Used to fly RC but gave it up for control line. Thankee for watching
If you build/assemble, you fly.
If you fly, you crash.
If you crash, you repair.
If you repair, you fly.
Wash, rinse, repeat and keep smiling!!
Truth.
How did you deal with dizziness when you started flying. Love you videos. WHOOOOOOOOOOBUDDDDYYYYY. All clear in sector 7
Ya' get used to it in time. Keep your eye on the plane helps. Don't fill the tank too much and do short flights too build up.
Where are the three wire handles for carrier, the mono wire speed handle, and the U - Reely ? Still have my U- Reely Started flying U Control in 1953. dcniner01
I wish I had some of those types of handles to show when I shot this put I really only use two-line handles for stunt mainly. CL Scale uses the 3 line handles too.
I'm wondering if the Panther was the test to see how late you could pull up from the dive.
I couldn't see if there were any stars over the Eagle on the CPO insignia.
Maybe I should have flown instead of burning myself with solid rocket motors - "the price for breaking the surly bonds of Earth." What the hey, it hurt, but, it was a fun hurt!
Wind pushed me down. Darn Aeolus!
That's similar to single handle stunt kite control. Very interesting how they operate. You almost only see flights, not instruction or concept.
Thankee for watching.
Hi Shuge kinda behind in watching this video you mentioned Okie Aire handle I just ordered a Bio hard point and some .018 lines.59 feet. They are reasonable price question have you ordered any thing from Okie Aire ?
I did once and lets just say the results were not satisfactory. I get my handles and stuff from Brodak. They have top service.
Hi Shuge. Ya I. Understand Okie Aire felt maybe 30 to 60 days. One man shop that does everything. Sorry about your experience. I've ordered two 2:36 two
To land then do you just fly until the fuel is spent?
That is correct. Timing fuel consumption becomes important. Off to fly this morning. First flights of this year!
Great video!! I’m heading up to the SHT mid August you planning on any trips up there soon?
Nothin planned as of now. My trips are usually last minute affairs.
Well; starting at the northern terminus and headin south for a couple of days. If you see a couple warbonnet blackbirds hangin...feel free to give us a whoo buddy!
Was that a Chiefs crow on your field box?
Yes it is. My Dad was a Chief and loved it. In the Navy for 27 years. I have a plane named the Chief and it is in his memory. th-cam.com/video/BX-vognl0-c/w-d-xo.html
@@shugemery I have to say the "Chief" is a beautiful piece of work! I too was in the Navy although I didn't retire, I did see much of the world and served aboard four Carriers and I really wish I'd stayed in for the long haul. I loved the Navy and I love to meet Navy people. Fair Winds And Following Seas to you and your dad.
Nice vid. A question, Cab you point me to info on how to set up the lines. I have searched but in my opinion i have not found any good source of info in that subject. Or perhaps you have a video ore one in the pipes. (and what dimensions for what model. its so confusing)
keep up the good work.
There is a chart right here to give you some insight into that.....brodak.com/control-line-parts/control-lines.html
I use .018 19 strand on my 60 size. As far as length this is just a guide. Your shooting for about a 5.2 second lap or abouts for stunt flying.
I get mine made to length and finished from here...okieair.com/shop/ols/categories/control-lines
They are well done.
@@shugemery Here's another question beginners might not think about (like myself). How do you roll the lines back up so when you unwind them again they don't get tangled and kinked up because once they're kinked they're doomed. Right now I have one line on one reel to avoid any of that. It's bad enough that I've been having issues with my planes (balance, etc.) and crashing. I don't need the lines all messed up too. Thanks Shug!
@@gkirms I unhook from the plane and put my finger in the reel hole and wind towards the handle carefully. Fairly standard procedure. Make sure to get the twists out before rolling back up on the reel by walking your lines to get the twists out.
What’s the mask for!
We are bandits.
Gosh, you make that look so easy.......it's anything but 😢
Busted a lot of planes learning the pattern. My goal was just to be able to fly a decent pattern Thankee.
Hi shug i am from the UK i would like to now if you have used sullivan tufstrand, I was given 3 weels of 60feet line it staits for up to.51 engines and stronger than.018 steel cable, As i am flying 38" plan 2.5 diesel (ie .15cu) will this be ok .
Can't say for sure but sound like it will work.
@@shugemery thanks pick up some good flying hints in this last months of you, now getting back into flying ,you are a good trainer, keep safe .
Hi Shug this is really helpful I am learning new maneuvers at the moment your instructions do give me some direction:) Today I crashed my aeronaut meteor with o.s. la and broke the crankase where the muffler goes while flying inverted. How should I start off flying inverted? by learning an eight first or should I go ahead and fly inverted from an inside loop? Also, I seem to lose a sense of direction when flying above my head and doing the wingovers are there any tips for this?
Try flying at 25, 30, 35, 45° and up as many laps as you can do that will get you used to flying above your head. As far as flying inverted goes I like to stretch out the lazy eights and eventually you’ll be flying inverted before you know it doing it. And remember the more you fly the better you get so burn some gas and build up.
@@shugemery thanks for advice I will try it as soon as the engine parts arrive:)
I meant to say get good to where you can fly with your left hand and also have one in your right hand doing the same stunudge. Just like hold your arms farther apart and closer together. Ask me when you're really getting good. Cause you're up to having dog bites. You're staying right with the other one I have some fun games. That's the way I used to fly.
Sorta like loner combat.
This maybe a stupid question but why would anyone do this over rc planes? I can't imagine hooking my drones or rc helicopters to strings and just spinning in a circle with them? I'm genuinely interested in why?
I used to fly RC and migrated back to control line to learn the stunt pattern. Can see my plane the whole flight. Never far from ground makes it exciting. I like the "feel" of the connection to the plane. Did control line as a kid with my Dad so maybe that is why. Why do we do anything? Something inside moves us too.
This story explains some of it....www.dropbox.com/s/2vnxfjk9inl79hh/Patterns...a%20Control%20Line%20Story%20.docx?dl=0
These things get moving. I can't imagine crashes are rough.
A crash always hurts the psyche!
What club are you flying with?
Piston Poppers....www.pistonpoppers.com
@@shugemery
I was a member over 20 years ago. My son and I enjoyed flying. My son is growing up now and lives in Circle Pines. I sent him the web address. He said he was interested in flying control line again. I'm living in South Carolina now.
Do y’all get dizzy flying those? 😁
You get used to it and when flying a stunt your actually stationary for a moment.
Oh that’s good then. Great video. Good information it seems. Have a pleasant weekend.
Captions?
Should be now.
That cute geezer out there is he single? The one wearing the belt and suspenders😄😍 here i go trolling geezers on utb, who needs florida?
Haaaa! Gunga Din.
A month to build.. .05 seconds to crush plane 😂
Gives it an edge. You build a motorized piece of art and then risk it in the air. Love that.
You really wanna have some fun? Taking it to where you can fly with your left hand and do the same thing. But just keep in mind you guys stay while hands. Gotta be faster than the other one and then slower with 1 faster. One slower all in the rest like you're doing what I'm saying. Just practice with that. An idea from Robert back in the old days.
I'm no Jim Palmer!!!! Haaaaaa
all that fresh blow air and some guy wants to mess it up and breath though a Plastic melt blown mask and breath used air i dont get it...
Or field owners required masks or a far distance. Otherwise we could not use the place that allows our club to fly. It is a pandemic ya' know.
How in the hell do you not get dizzy doing this lol
One builds up tolerance. Like ice skaters spinning sorta.
shugemery it’s crazy to me to think that one can build up a tolerance against dizziness haha how dizzy were you during/after your first line fly?
Not bad....I was working so hard not to crash I did not even think about getting dizzy. I live dizzy!
minibulldesign.com just want out of business...it breaks my heart I love "Tinny" John Austin...no one makes alcohol stove like he did...
Now the word on the street is John went in for cataract eyes surgery...and wasn't sure if he would be able to open the store backup...now I tried to sign into his minibulldesign site...and it looks like his name is on the internet up for sale...I just pray that something bad didn't happen to Tinny...or that he didn't suddenly pass. Please if you find anything out please let use know.. it was all of a sudden...I was going to buy something from him...that is how I found out...Tinny always said he wouldn't just go out of business, without giving his loyal Byers, customers one last chance to buy things, replacement parts...I owned quite a few of his stoves...I loved his remote fuel stoves...I will miss him...I just pray he didn't die?
I've not been in contact with Tinny for quite a while. Hope he fares well. Folks do retire!
? Why do you have a long face mask on ur arm bro?
Sun sleeve. Keeps the UV rays at bay.
Had a melanoma on my left arm above elbow. All the sun on my arm from years of driving to gigs. They call it "truckers cancer"
@@shugemery dewd oh that is kinda neat. Ive not known what those were, ive seen ppl wear them. Scary isnt it to hear that mm diagnosis! i had one on my left gluteus maximus, musta been the skinny dipping back in the 80's. They took a chunk out the size of a fing plantain!🍌im sorry, that is cool tho that sleeve! Yes im notta big fan of sunscreen. Necessary now tho, i try to stay hidden from thesun. It is insanely unforgiving!
So one cheek is tighter than the other. Same on my face!
@@shugemery hehebahahaha
Makes me dizzy watching you fly it just like it used to when I used to fly my P51
We are stationary while doing stunts then back to circling.
I guess if your controline handle is too big you cant use it on a half A plane.
Best to get a dedicated 1/2 A handle....brodak.com/control-line-parts/1-2-control-line-supplies/1-2a-handle.html
Love the vids but please smack the guy with the mask.
We have to wear masks in proximity as many member are older and at risk. Plus the flying site requires it. Unless we are distanced.