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While I do not agree sometimes with Jufes, karhu is a great testing tool and generally if ram survives a 45000% pass (what depending on different systems can be 21 to 24 hours) it is incredibly unlikely to fail. that said one thing for those trying it , keep an eye on ram temp, it is not hard to get 48+ with karhu over multiple hours of testing and once you get such temps, you may get errors that are not related with the ram oc itself. put a fan pointing to the ram and do you best to keep it at 45 or less.
I had 8200 stable on my Encore in tm5, vst, occt large, memtest and karhu w. cache default. After you mentioned karhu w. cache enabled during stream, I tested it and got an error after 11 hours. DDR5 is fantastic 🙃 Thanks for the tip! You’re always the only one that knows what he’s doing
What cpu and kit do you have?
@@zxSwifty 14900k, viper xtreme 2x16 8000
I just got a 12900k, this is my second build i plan on getting ddr5 6600 2x48 (96gb) and Dark Hero for doing 3d animations/simulations in Blender/Unreal 5 short films. Is this cool. I don’t game much
if it boots it’s stable 🗣️🗣️
Jufes is actually a very decent human being. Hes not out here to put others down or fight, he just wants to get to the truth and save people from getting mislead
THIS 🙌
He isn't when you realize he asks 600$ for an OC session.
@@OneCosmic749 Honestly everything he does you could learn yourself, and save $600, and earn the gratification of it.
Yea he definitely doesn’t do it to sell $1000 cpu combos and $600 sessions 😂
@@OneCosmic749 I don't understand how that makes him a bad person though? You have a job right, do you really think you deserve to get paid whatever you get paid?
so glad i was there live to witness this. it was a great reminder for myself to test test test each setting i change. having more than one stress test is a great way to make sure youre stable. thank you to the community for allowing me to continue to learn and grow in my OC journey
I could swear you have literally said in another video to "just tune for the game you play, if it's stable in that it's good."
don't expect consistency it's entertainment here..
That was DDR4 Bdie, you would have to actively try to make that stuff fail. The good ol days
amd is the special olympics.
I watched this live. Made me go buy KARHU on the spot. 😂
tinfoil hat time: shouldn't we run multiple 24hr tests just in case a cosmic ray flipped a bit? Isn't that a possibility? :P
What if the error is a literal cosmic ray bit flip though?
When you know you know .. and my man know what hes doing challenge him at your own risk ... I will be sitting here learning instead of poking the bear .
Stable? Isn't that where they keep horses?
Aida mem test should be completely purged out of the community
that guy could get that 7800 memory working if he increased the system agent voltage.
Everything was under the qualified vendor list to guarantee to work. I was running gskill 7200 48gb in my system i3900k 4090 never have a problem and never had a single artifact. I recently beat the entire alien collection and Hogwarts Legacy while fitting rust in every now and then system worked great. Then came Starfield my system will no longer run any memory stick that 7200. I’ve purchased four kits all form my qvl 7200 wont run anymore. 7000 will work it doesn’t matter if it’s on my qvl or not it just works every time hit XMP it works. I currently have three systems all running DDR five 7000 all working. I only have issues if I try to go up. I have around $1000 plus of ram just laying around. I most definitely learned maxing your ram out for 2-20 FPS more and buying expensive kits is a waste of time. If you have a nice board, don’t go above 7000 you have a mid range board stick to 6400.
If a pc can handle a 30 min loop of r23 with zero avx offset, I don’t think theres a game on planet earth that’s gonna crash that system.
I bought Karhu. Thanks. I was one of those people who’s pc ran with ddr5 7200 XMP and it ran. I ran Karhu and insta error at 20 sec. Now to tune it when I got time. Idk how 7200 was running on a 12900k and MSI Z690 A Pro DDR5 but it’s running. This video was extremely helpful! Keep it up!
kahru purchased - just passing a full hour seems to mean a lot - and based on many comments here and in this video and elsewhere, this program finds them when even the vaunted VST/etc wont. At least y-cruncher still has a good cpu test that is just as good as, if not better than, prime. (ignoring with prime you can dial in certain settings and you might need to - but prime has its own issues)
Looking forward to the Nova vid. Dont think it'll do 8000 obviously but if you get 7400running thats pretty good for that pricepoint.
I believe in a theory I tried Karhu for 10 minutes more or less without errors, ram temps stabilized, tried again the game that was crashing and I didnt have a crash in 2 hours gaming.
I wont run a test 24h only for the sake of "stability" When that means i need to have at least 100w drawing electricity from the wall 24h. 60w my rtx 4090 idle, another 60w cpu +karhu, the rest of the system and apart i have a 250w water chiller that I run daily.
Wait so! If my pc doesn’t crash and when i stress test it crashes ,does that mean that i’m not getting the lowest input lag possible when gamin? Like it’s not running optimally? I really like to know
I got 14900K and a z790 Hero
So are you supposed to run cpu cache to enabled under the advanced tab or change any other settings on the test?
Y-Cruncher VST/VT3, way better than Karhu at finding memory instability.
I have a habit of leaving Afterburner with Frame time graph on, so I can always see frame times. I'm definitely interested in trying Karhu for all my buddies who come to me for PC's.I have like 6 Viper sticks on reserve. he thing is, if there's enough instability with the RAM OC, it's a ticking time bomb for windows corruption.
Most of my game crashes nowadays are just from AMD drivers... Soon to be remedied. I fucked around and found out so my friends don't have to.
You got an amd cpu or gpu?
@@zxSwifty GPU. nabbed 7900XTX for $200CAD off. Had a bunch of driver crashes in Ratchet and Clank until a month or two ago. Also some crashing in Hunt Showdown for a bit.
Frame time graph is bad?
So is it the 7700x that doesn't dip? What is it with the 3d chips When playing Certain multiplayer games this happens? I'm also hearing if you disable Sam. Or Resize bar this fixes the problem with the 3d chips With certain games. My 5800x Never dipped when playing online games.
I have done alot of ram tuning, and if your pc gets enough bsod, windows will be so f-up so even unstable ram can pass stresstest. When windows is fresh installed the unstable ram will probably crash within a few seconds or minutes.
what do you think about y-cruncher for mem tests?
Stable = where the horses go
Props to the fella for letting you show him.
bro ive had shit error after two and a half of days of p95, had shit error after 28 hours of karhu. if you're oc'ing, run shit long enough and itll error. there are no 0 error. it just hasn't errored yet. 24 hours is a good benchmark but in no way does it mean that rig will never error.
That would be so cool to have Jufes remote in live and be like your pc is trash or hey this isn't bad. can't imagine all that I'm doing wrong. I only play Warzone
I've been using y-cruncher VT3 with mixed results, about to give this a try to see if it can detect errors faster. Usually VT3 will error out pretty quickly at unstable settings, but sometimes it'll pass 12 hours and then error out within 20 min after a reboot.
I've had ddr5 run hci memtest for 2000% and crash in 15 minutes of bf because the trefi was too high and it got hotter while gaming and became unstable. Fan fixed it or lowering trefi.
stable means i should be able to turn a/c off and have my room in high 30s low 40s and be just as good as 20c ambient
stable means ur ram shouldnt care about switching between tasks at full usage too
so run your linpack and your mem tester simultaneously and just switch between the active windows to change where the cpu time is
Do people just run benchmarks and not use the pc for pc things anymore
13900k and im stuck with 6600mhz, nothing embarrassing its just what i got, easy like that
I am stuck at 6400mhz with 14700k
@@Tpecep youre just not pushing enough system agent voltage. should be able to do 6800mhz-7200mhz on 4 dimm motherboard.
Which stress test software ?
Benchmark for the app your using, if it don't crash its good enough imo, son, (you look like me lol)
Just want to add some games stutter due to e-cores or hyperthreading.
I play Star Citizen, moding the shortcut to not use the e-cores or hyperthreading got rid of the stutter.
lol, buildzoid did a video on DDR5 ram timings, I’m thinking a lot of people that are running 8000mhz stable switched the two dg timings from 8 to 16 and even though it shows 8000mhz it’s actually running at half data rate so 4000, ofcourse it will be stable, just to troll in the forums, especially the AMD fanboys that claim to have 8000+ stable, which is utter BS because 7000 is nearly impossible.
Question??? how long do I need to run Karhu to say my memory are stable?
I normally run y-cruncher, 2.5B. It's proven to be quick at throwing an error. After the computer passes 3 consecutive runs, I move onto TM5 with anta777 config. But I hate DDR5, so much more annoying with the voltages when searching for stability at higher frequencies
Integrity.
Raises hand, I definitely use cinebench as a stability test lol.
Cold Blooded :) Mr. 7800mhz Here.
Thanks for at least going through with it….could you list all your specs?
Can you or do you play games? If so what ones ? FPS? Shutters? Crashes?
Thanks
No worries, my specs:
i9 13900ks @ 6.1ghz
asus rog z790 Hero
Asus Strix 4090
32gb ddr5 7800mhz :)
@@robertfarmer6316
Sorry for this really late reply. But yes I play all my games just fine at 700 MHz but as of today I am now on z790 Apex Encore at 8200 MHz
@@TronTonics dont buy the dark hero
@@Detroittruckdoctor55 no longer on that board I'm not on z790 Apex Encore @8400mhz + 14900k
Curious, whats the latest you've had an error occur in karhu while keeping ram/cpu temps in check? 30 hours? 40?
The number of people playing Cities Skylines 2 and complain about it being unstable. I believe most people don’t have a clue what they are doing.
Do you know how long before you get the Z790 Nova review up. We have been wanting to use it in one of our builds but really wanted to see what u could do with it first. Thanks!
Why is a PC reseller watching my channel, go buy the motherboard and find out, don’t use my info for your sales
You post reviews on a public forum, for anyone to watch. What's with the attitude? Are single-person pc builders in small towns not allowed to check out reviews? @@FrameChasers
Have you tested the msi carbon or ace z790?
how about this. passes kuru mem test but gives windows errors in hwinfo bk of fclk on amd. errors that get corrected but still errors.
I am planning on getting the dark hero and run 7200 with a corsair kit at cl34. I am not much of an expert and don’t really know how to oc memory, just asking if this would run eithout much fuss?
Nova-7800 c38, 48gb mdie, tm5 stable.. no crashing in games. Makes me wonder if it's worth trying Karhu / others.
I had 7600 on dark hero TM5 Extreme pass 6 cycles and fail Karhi at 4.5-5hrs. I tried everything to figure out what setting/s were holding me back and could not find it. I really think you need at least 2-3 different test programs. Back to 7200mhz for me.
My White Z790 APEX runs 8K ram with XMP and just a Neg Offset No Issues for 6 months ... My Apex Encore also runs the 8K RAM ...Buit that took lots and lots of Tweeking! ...Should I keep the White one for a memento!
Sell it to a fellow gamer in need
I’m glad you lightened up on the dude lol I was like sheeeeeesh , we gotta do a better job of educating people instead of insulting , while misleading buyers is a serious thing the more people that get educated the less dumba$$es there are out there , enjoyed the vid 💯💪🏼
Whats the point of running unstable OC? You're getting worse experience than running the RAM at JEDEC standards due to frame drops cause by the instability in games... Literally DDR5 4800MHz stable is better experience than DDR5 8000MHz unstable. Some people just wanna lie to themselves they got the bigger number stable, even if it hinders their own experience.
Lmfao got um.
5.1 ring on alder.. I have 2x raptor lake samples One will do 48 and the other will do 49. And the one that does 49 I have to beat it out of it.
7:00 GG
bro forget about it my dumb ass wrote the comment in the split second u mentioned that shii, I saw it in the end
It's better to have 4800 than to have 8000 and have errors like crazy.
yeah lol... unstable system is always worse no matter how much faster it might be overclocked to. whole point of OCing is to get the system as fast as possible while being as stable as possible.
Yeah memory instability, throttling or clock stretch will make your "stable" 240 frames feel and look like a slide show.
I'm a set it and forget it guy, someone told me to download Karhu to test RAM, coupled with you making this video has gotten me to take a second look. Got an error after 1:19 and 52% coverage. Memtest86/64 have been fine - ganes are not crashing and stress tests pass 7600C34
3 small teaks and things are looking good, 5 minutes in and 230% coverage. You the man
7600 34-46-46-68-48 was 44 instead of 46 before
Karhus is nowhere close of being enough for Pubg. In games you get the additional heat from the graphic card heating the ram up even more than Karhus does. Running a gpu benchmark while running some threads on Karhus can be an even more realistic test. If you can play Miramar, Deston or Vikendi for 4-6 hours its stable for most games.
What's the apps name to test ram?
prime 95 x 4 with other tests. Ive got a folder with 30apps for bench testing. Ryzen made things easier for people to build since the first iteration, where you had to literally create the profile for each core for decent performance. And it was fun getting a good chip with a high infinity fabric. The Ryzen chips that followed have slowly taken all the fun out of setting it up especially what im using atm... X3D. Thanks for the info on the dark board, I might of bought that version of the board. The native boards are from a better batch for sure.
Hey can someone tell me if I should buy karhu for DDR4 Z590 Gigabyte aorus Xtreme Stress testing? Or is karhu best used only with DDR5 RAM Stress testing.
Hey there, love your content, you out here helping 🥷in portugal. Can you please just write the name of the software to test the memory, I cant understand it when you say it.
Karhu
I run 7800mhz on my 7800X3D to match the cpu series number
try tm5 anta777 extreme fr
i wanna see if u lose or gain mhz
memtest86 or whatever is shit if u post it wont kick errors
tm5 generally if you are on the edge of posting or a timing is wrong kicks errors instantly and hundreds of them
+1 TM5 Absolut (free ) > Karhu
где ддр6?
I have Corsair Dominator 7200mhz ram and a 14900k with a asus z690-i. How do i get my kit to run at full speed with xmp tweaked setting stable? It will run 7200mhz in 80 percent of my games and tasks, however it jedi survivor always crashes unless i lower my ram to 6800mhz xmp tweaked.
Nobody can help you. Every cpu and mb is different and unfortunately youre gonna have to live on buildzoid and dainelukes yt channel until u learn enough to get it stable
29sec vs 24 hours 🤣
Should have perma banned him.
🤔Huge Disconnect between what people consider stable..... AMEN!
Cash incoming to that software!! I want to check it out!! Thanks for the reference. 👍
When is z790 nova review?
When I have time
Ok
TRY intel burn test
After watching this video, Karhu is getting my €10 (~$17 or so) 💪👍😇. Thanks for sharing this valuable bit of software Jufes 🥰👍
if you play and dont crash then its stable enough
Everybody here simping over 14900k and 8200mhz ram, what about something cheaper and older, like e5 2696v3 18 core 36 threads x99 cpu its only 50$, with Turbo boost mod and locking cores to 10 core 20 threads gives 3.8ghz all core, can get 200-300fps in counter strike 2 :) and 120-140fps in warzone. Any chance Framechasers would do for fun review of it ?
no compete = no compute
jkn ofc, i do reviews of x99 every other month :D
video as always informative thks for great content
Can't wait for your ultimate WZ build
my ddr5 8000 goes to a different school
Awesome video
hahaaha i love this. if you are going to talk shit, you gotta take the shit. good for you man. cheers. "for spreading misinformation" lmao.
Bro can we get that nova video soon 😂🙈 hahah
Yes, I remember that with my ASUS STRIX. I also ran DDR5 at XMP 7600MHz just fine. But everything was fine with adobe lightroom, davinci. Simply at idle work. There was already a problem with games BF 2042, Spiderman. The game mostly fell within 30 to 60 minutes. I had no problem with Forza 5, NFS. I don't know if it was the voltage or just the motherboard. I have an i9 13900K with SP98. From my point of view, it is also impossible to see any difference with 4K when the RAM runs at 7200 or 8200.
I just remembered how easy DDR4 was. I unpacked, plugged in, activated XMP and everything was fine. Today DDR5 is fine up to 7000-7200Mhz on most boards.
From my point of view, whoever has an i9 13900K{KF} will not pay to change the CPU until at least 2026. If DDR5 really runs on XMP just fine at 8400MHz+, then I would change the CPU.
Dear Jufes, I know this isn't exactly right up your alley, but could you do a comparison on different quick disconnects on market? I see you are using them in your rig, and for my upcoming build id like to use those. I found nobody else has done one. Tests could include flow rates, spillage, air introduced to system when connected as there are many different types and iterations of QDC's.
No one would click on those videos
@@FrameChasers I've watched 20min video of vintage microwaves just because the thumbnail was looking good. And with 3.2million views I am not the only one who did.
just use 6000
That was a fun stream
Just a random comment to help you with the algorithm. Alway great content
I want 8000 damn it awl!!!! You probably just made some money for Karhu. Giving them my money right now to see if I almost FAFOed before the 30 days is up. =/
the man!!!
Crazy that the (8hrs error vs 0 errors) is on the table for discussion 😂
you the GOAT 🐐🐐
Dude! Lol
clk period for high frequency asus bro
without it pumped to like 30 i coulodnt post 3400 dual rank b-die
with it at 30 im 24 hour STABLE linpack and tm5 anta777 extreme at 3800 c14
@FrameChasers
check you clk period bro
ill pay you to verify my oc your way but u wont break it karhu is not much stressier than tm5 anta777 extreme and my ambients swing WAY more than yours
@FrameChasers
and u can gimp your iols to clock higher but latency eats poo
Already own karhu but I've never done s 24hr test. I think 6000-6200% is plenty.
Your wrong
i've been at 7600 for a while now and it runs perfect for me
sure it does, you've not properly tested it for stability...
@@dex4sure361 not everyone is using budget memory modules 🤡
Karhu hate my 13900k 😂
😅
Salmon and rice in les than 15 minutes always nice