TSW3 Tutorial Setting up and driving the ICE1 with Safety Systems LZB AFB PZB SIFA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- I will walk you through the ICE1 driver's features and the setup of the train and safety systems including LZB, PZB, AFB and SIFA and tell you what each does, what its for and how they work together. We do through through a full length run from Kassel to Wurzburg with a stop at Fulda. I snip out all the bits not useful for instruction to keep this as short as possible. It is a bit of a long one because it covers quite a bit.
Disclosure: I received TSW3 for free from Dovetail Games.
Thank you so much. I was really frustrated as I'm a casual gamer and novice to trains. I'm really getting into the trains though. I was really getting frustrated driving these trains manually knowing there was a sophisticated system designed. I took all the tutorials and watched a few videos. But I finally got to the right video , - this one and the safety systems make sense now. You do a wonderfully job of explaining. You can also feel your passion for the trains in your voice. Thanks again. I will be checking out more of your videos to see what else I can learn/ enjoy !
Your comment made me happy. I'm glad you found this useful.
This was great thank you for doing this! One thing: the 'G' light means (if AFB is off) driver needs to brake. If AFB is on, it means brakes are being applied. Not necessarily that the train will stop.
Thanks for the update Steve. That's good to know. Makes me wish I could update existing videos on TH-cam
How much braking is needed for this?
What an informative, clear and useful tutorial video. What a great way to learn.
So glad you found it helpful, thank you for the feedback
Here I am getting type rated on Concodes, Skymasters, A310s/320s/321s, Boeing 7 series and Antonovs 1 month doing everything from radio nav to ILS landings and IFR flight planning...now I got into the Train Simulating World thanks to Xbox Gamepass having it- once I started- I bought disc, and downloaded Amtrack Accela, the Harlem Line going to Yankees, and few others! So glad I got into these simulators, never knew how intricate and complex they would be- and I love complicated and powerful systems and engineering!
I'm glad you're finding them fun. I'm on the real ones too and they make the simulators seem relatively simple 😃
AMAZING video. Thanks so much!
Great that you like it. Thank you for saying 😃
Thank you so much, the PZB keeps annoying me. Now i can turn it off and use LZB as an alternative
Ideally you'd use them together but when learning it can be good to use one system at a time to understand it.
@@trainsimulatordriverI'd rather use LZB because PZB can be quite annoying to deal with
It is best to learn one system at a time and bring them together once you're confident in the one you're learning
@@trainsimulatordriver I have mastered LZB, PZB and SIFA
@@Chairman_Rafaell awesome well done
That wire in the middle of the track is not LZB, it's Linienzugbeeinflussung :D
lol nice :)
How do we reset the train if we fail to acknowledge the 1000/500hz magnets? I’ve resetted the PZB and emergency brakes after the train comes to a complete stop but there seems to be no power when I use the throttle
Have you got a red box on the HUD where the throttle number usually is? If you do then you have traction lock. The video covers resetting from that.
@@trainsimulatordriver Nope no red box. I’ll explain a bit more.
I tried ignoring the pzb acknowledge after the 60kmph signal on the approach the wurzburg to work out the procedure to reset it. The train came to an emergency stop and then I pressed the PZB release and acknowledge buttons, making the blue marker alternate between 70 and 85 and the yellow marker with a “1000hz” come up. Then I resetted the brake pipe using the HLL Fill, released the train brakes and used the throttle. At this point, the box with the throttle number was white, but even with a 10 on the throttle, the kN on the left of the HUD remained at 0 the entire time.
Not sure if you get the picture, but yeah still struggling to get the power back on. 😅
@@SRTBahndosi it sounds like you've done it right, try moving the reverser to off and back to forward
@@trainsimulatordriver Got it. Turns out you have to reset AFB as well to get the train moving again. Cheers!
@@SRTBahndosi oh bring AFB back to zero then back to speed, I hope I mention that in the video?
Could you tell me how I can turn on the headlights? I can find the switch on the middle of the console and I turn it to Headlights bright (reverser is set to forward too) but the lights at the front of the train are still red.
There will be another switch (back wall I think) which rotates and has white dots and red dots. Put it on a white dot position.
@@trainsimulatordriver thank you so much! 🙂
@@ICE5731 you're welcome
Thanks for the lesson, very good job man!!
You're welcome 😁. Hope you enjoy driving.
What does the T mean next to the sifa warning and what does it mean when its lit
On a passenger train the T light represents the door interlock. If I remember rightly lit means they're open. You'll see it on freight locos that can do passenger duty.
@@trainsimulatordriver im doing the lonely road scenario so there are no passenger coaches
@@TheBigHead05 so I'm your case it's gone fail-safe because it can't talk to the doors and is showing they're open to be safe
Heyo, problem with LZB. When I turn it off after I move the train, and try to turn it on again, I can't get it to work. Only the B light turns on but non of the speed control activates. Any help?
Someone else mentioned an issue with lzb recently appearing on this train. I've asked if I get anything useful I'll be able to answer. I found lzb didn't work at all for me on this one.
It will not work again until you reach another LZB sign
Fantastic video. This helped a lot!! Thank you!! What are the override and release levers for? Also do the other screen options for the ICE trains matter in TSW3?
When you first start, or you've been stopped you will be in PZB monitoring restricted to 45kmh. Release removes the restriction so you can go faster. Only do it if the next signal is green.
In theory PZB override will ignore any PZB magnet on the ground for as long as it's held. I'm not sure it really does that in the game though
@@trainsimulatordriver Thanks for the replies!
@@Zarkaithnia you're welcome PZB is a bit hard to get used to but it will start to come naturally so stick with it
When i turn on the safety system’s, it can sometimes say Ü, and i understand what that means. But sometimes it instead says like 70 or 80 (in the little circles down in the corner). Do you know what this means?
That is letting you know the speed range you can travel at.
for 70 VMAX=120km/h if you have a 1000Hz magnet you have 29s to get to 70km/h, if you have 500Hz you need to drop to 35km/h.
@@trainsimulatordriver thank you. Fast reply too!
I can never seem to get above 160 doing this? Any idea why
You need to turn on lzb or the train won't let you go over 160
can u help i had trouble with this one i applyed the brake & ran it up to emergency when the train stopped i released the brake but i couldnt move the train the brake was stuck on 4.8 & couldnt release it
I think from memory there's a button to push "HLL Fill"
@@trainsimulatordriver K I'll try it
I am a starter It very diffecult. Is sisa a break or what is 85 or G . I think i need look the movie over again.
When you are just starting out don't turn on the safety systems - leave them off while you're learning. As you become proficient with the train turn on SIFA first and learn to handle that, then try PZB and finally LZB.
SIFA makes sure you're awake periodically and you acknowledge it, if you don't it will stop you.
PZB enforces the signaling requirements and you have to acknowledge.
LZB is cruise control, sit back and relax and let the train do the work.
Thanks for the great video! I interpreted the symbols wrong, and now my ICE is blaring an alarm and not moving.
I've tried all the buttons and looked in the side panel on the right too, but nothing makes it stop bleeping at me and it's maddening after 20 minutes!
I saw in your video you can stand up, so I will try looking behind my chair tomorrow...
Sounds like you've had a penalty stop. Throttle to off, apply train brake. Press PZB acknowledge then PZB release. That should stop the alarm and you should be able to release the brake and throttle up again.
@@trainsimulatordriver Thanks so much!!! I'll let you know if it works! :D
I've tried for another 20 minutes;
When I loaded in I was in the same spot, but the constant alarm had ceased! I tried what you said 3 times, but it didn't help: the red box that blocks driving didn't dissapear.
I looked around online some more, didn't help. When I turned the Reverser off and on it said something about Storung twice and something was Gesperrt, so malfunctions and blockages....
This is the mission where you get an error, but after nearly an hour troubleshooting I am now giving up, losing yet another 45 minutes of progress
@@Kenjitsuka did you load from a save before you had the problem?
@@trainsimulatordriver No, I think I tripped a magnet or something (because I thought the blue blinking 85 meant I had to stay ABOVE 85 instead of below). I was playing the mission from the start when the whole alarm situation happened and after trying for 20+ minutes I saved the game and quit for the day. Today when I loaded back in for the first time, the alarm was thankfully silent.
I wish there was a way to "recover" from a missed PZB acknowledge without coming to a full stop. Half the time I get a missed acknowledge braking there wasn't a signal or speed reduction to acknowledge.
It also happens when you're speeding 🙂. Turn on the PZB helper in the HUD section of options and it will sit on the top right telling you when you need to acknowledge and showing how much time you've got to reduce speed. Note speeding is an instant penalty.
@@trainsimulatordriver I have that on. I already do understand the system pretty well but it just seems like the sim randomly throws acknowledges at you. Those Germans really want their trains to be safe!
@@nuothe11th there certainly are times when it feels that way! usually when it happens and I don't know why and I'm feeling curious, after it stops I jump out and go have a look and I always find the culprit magnet next to a sign or signal I had either ignored or not reacted to fast enough
Hi. Whats the longest route in this game. Where I could just start driving and enjoy my beers and scenery for a while? Any advice on what kind of dlc I should get. I have deluxe version but never got my hands on cus I work at seas until march
longest distance is Bremen-Oldenburg but at nearly 300km/h its over in a flash - for truly long play I would be going for the American freight routes like Cajon Pass, Clinchfield, Sherman Hill, Horseshoe Curve or Sand Patch Grade
When I play German routes, the timetable says that i am going from for example Hamburg Altona to Berlin but when i spawn, i’m not in Hamburg Altona, im in some other random station, and when I come to the last station im not in Berlin, im in some weird station. Why is the timetable lying to me?
Do you know why this is happening?
The time table runs often start and finish off route because that's where the trains go in real life. You spawn into the first station that's actually part of the route and your run finishes on the last station actually on the route in game. Look at the route map to see the boundaries. It's not lying to you it's just representing the full world in a limited way that works for the game. It's not possible to model the full world in any meaningful enjoyable way.
@@trainsimulatordriver ohh I understand, thanks for the information!
@@RailAbleYT happy to help
Very interesting . Thank you for this tuto👍Do you know how to trurn on the train lights for the passengers ?
On the ICE1 they're on automatically
@@trainsimulatordriver Okay . Thank you 👍
How do you change ends on the ice train
Reverse of setting up, throttle to idle, park brake on, train and direct brake released, reverser to off and remove, headlights to off, master light to off get it and do the reverse at the other end
What is the meaning of 500 and 1000 magnets - mentioned in passing during the video- is there a practical difference? Why not just say there is a magnet?
Oh that's a complex question, the simplest answer I can give is that they have different restrictions. Here's a good overview that goes into more detail and has a handy chart you can download th-cam.com/video/zN6Hbtb9Qw4/w-d-xo.html the tutorial is for TS but the concepts are the same.
What is sifa for. I understand it’s a safety feature but i don’t understand it fully.
If the pilot have to faint (fatigue, heart attack etc...) then he will not be able to acknowledge SIFA and the train will stop. It's simple as that.
So simply said: it's a security system towards the pilot to make sure nothing happens to him.
yep that is correct, SIFA basically makes sure you're alive and awake. In most other places its usually referred to as Vigilance (most of the world) or Alerter (USA).
thanks for replying and helping the community :)
i may be a little late but right when i was about to park the stupid lzb screamed at be and i tried lzb acknoledge but it doses nothing and even when i have the battery off it still makes the annoying sound and hll fill doesnt work
When you get to the end it's not an ack you want, when the ENDE light flashes and you hear the sound you need to press the End key on keyboard or your requirement on controller. This is the release key otherwise it will stop your train.
Moet ik op de F toets drukken om me uit LZB te bevrijden op normale toetsenbord van PC heb ik het dan over
De toetsen voor PZB op pc zijn PZB Acknowledge PgDn PZB Release End PZB Override Del
This is not working when I set up the cab properly, it seems as this is yet another DB unit/loco that is no longer working. I tried looking for advanced information to what the fault finding is but no technical information exists for any rolling stock in Germany.
Do NOT ask anyone for technical information, it is restricted and confidential information for a reason.
Are you running it on its home route and what platform are you on?
@@bethhughes559 mate this is such an old train technical manuals are readily available all over the place
@@bethhughes559 On PC, it will not run on it's own route as the LZB is broken. If the HLL fill button works which most of the time it does not, then there is no power whatsoever despite being on and cooling fans running, just like the BR187 and BR103.
@@FM60260 I just got it going fine but you're right it's not picking up lzb. Let me see what I can find out.
Can you please tell me what scenario or time are you using because i like that red clouds
Its early in the morning. It will vary with time of year and dynamic weather. This is about 7am in winter.
I really don't get where i'm going wrong. It says end, I press end, it stops flashing just like in the video.
It says acknowledge, I press acknowledge within 3 seconds, and then it slams on the emergency brake every single time, I do not understand. It didn't happen in your video. An S pops up on the screen, what am I doing wrong here?
When you acknowledge are you pressing PZB-Ack which is the PgDn key or general acknowledge Q key? Needs to be PgDn
@@trainsimulatordriver PgDn to acknowledge and End to end
@@duck74UK ok next then is your speed, after acknowledging you need to get down to the right speed quickly, if you don't the train will brake
@@trainsimulatordriver Emergency brakes are applied before I get a chance to do that, even if i'm below the speed target it'll still go off.
@@duck74UK are you running something other than us keyboard?
how to open light
cabin or passenger? the passenger lights should be on, but there is a switch Train Light if I remember rightly
Hi, I have driven this route several times now and I always get it wrong when switching from PZB to LZB and the train stops and I can't get it going again, could you do a more detailed breakdown of what you need to do to achieve this, saying you need to acknowledge the ENDE is fine if you know how to acknowledge it, I have searched TH-cam for a more detailed explanation but everyone assumes that we are all as experienced with the terminology and procedures as them, I have found your video very helpful thank you but I get to 1.4km from the end and I can't get any further, does it have anything to do with the magnet? your help would be very much appreciated.
Are you using a keyboard? It's the END key (PZB Frei). If you're on controller its the same button you use to acknowledge all alerts. When the ENDE light starts flashing press END and it will stop flashing. When you hear the beep its back in your hands and you have to obey the PZB limits. You might find it easier while you learn to use one system at a time. Use LZB and once you're used to it turn on PZB.
@@trainsimulatordriver Thank you, I am on PC with a Rail Driver so I acknowledge with the keyboard, I will turn PZB off.
@@patrickg.7641 the Raildriver also has buttons for PZB but they're inconsistent from train to train. They're getting better but that work is unfinished
@@trainsimulatordriver Thank you for your help
@@patrickg.7641 you're welcome
Thank you, this was very helpul! What's the difference between acknowledge and release?
acknowledge simply lets the system know you saw and will act on the signal, release is used when you're in monitoring (the flashing 75/80 or 40/80) and you can see the next signal is green - it releases you from the 45km/h restriction. Some trains also use release if you get a penalty brake to reset so you can drive again
@@trainsimulatordriver Thanks :)
I know this is an old video but in TSW4 i try to activate LZB and when i move forward about maybe 40 meters i get a warning audible and the train just stops. i don't see the SIFA stuff coming on either
What train and route? LZB needs to be supported by the route. Look for a wire down the centre of the track. LZB will also need AFB turned on (I think, not 100% sure on the ice 1 - it's been a while lol). These systems definitely work on this train.
@@trainsimulatordriver Fair enough it's on the new route and now it makes sense that it doesn't have LZB, i think i might know what's going on because it says safe to release restricted on my screen, i go for a bit then it stops me.
@@Cessna152ful sounds like you've got PZB turned on, you're in monitoring (restricted to 45kph) and are exceeding 45. You can either release PZB or you can stay under 45 until the indicator lights stop flashing.
@@trainsimulatordriver Copy that i'll give it a go thanks!
@@Cessna152ful I wish I could be more specific on the indicators for you but I'm 16,780km from my computer right now so it's a bit hard to look 😂
the throttle light was red
That means it's interlocked. I think that's fixed now.
@@trainsimulatordriver oh k
how would you set the destination sign by the doors and in the train?
It happens automatically, I'm not sure if you can set it manually let me find out and come back to you here
I got confirmation that you can't manually change the PIS on ICE 1
@@trainsimulatordriver thats a shame, you can in the ICE 3
@@ubahni who knows what the future might bring, I wonder if it adapts when you put it on another route to get the destinations from that one...
I bought the game on steam. I can’t play because the train is not moving. Everything works, but I can’t move. What’s the matter ??
It's likely you have a traction lock. The ICE1 can be difficult to drive. On the HUD there's a square box which has numbers in it that change as you move the throttle. Is the outline of that box red or white?
@@trainsimulatordriver hello. apparently something with the game. today I already went. but it doesn’t load well. the game commands freeze (like yesterday). so I couldn’t move.thanks for the fast reply
@@xenon7538 its not too likely to be the game itself, is the loco talking in German repeating the same words over and over?
@@trainsimulatordriver no.signals only.I started from the English side.birmingen route.signals only.I can record video.
@@xenon7538 record it and pop it on your channel and let me know when you have I'll take a look
Ive done everything and i cant move, i have the brakes off
Did you turn the brake key?
That solved it for me, took a while to figure it out since the key is so small compared to everything else
Im getting safe to release and train automatically braking … what to do
When you first leave the station you often get a safe to release, but you can see the signal ahead isn't green. Don't release! There are other reasons you could be stopped such as going to fast. In the ICE1 for example if you have LZB turned on it can run at line speed, but if you try it manually you will be held to a lower speed (160 from memory I think) so you can stop in time for an adverse signal. You might also be getting stopped by sifa, I suggest turning on one safety system at a time while you learn.
@@trainsimulatordriver ok thank you.
@@wolfgangs2562 you are welcome :)
@@trainsimulatordriver hi one more question… is there any way to turn on passenger coaches lights?
@@wolfgangs2562 they should be automatic for the ICE1, they have smoked glass so it can be hard to tell, go inside a car to look
I've got a new issue, when driving the BR 403 I am paying attention and using the AFB. Then I need to slow down, I break in time and never break the speed limit, but: the red box appears and nothing I do increases speed anymore. In other words: I need to come to a full stop before I am allowed to increase speed again. This keeps happening on ICEs, and I just don't understand why! Breaking too hard? I try to avoid that...
In fact, my train will no longer go at all. The red box vanishes as usual, but Im still dead
Do you have SIFA turned on? If you do you need to acknowledge it or it will stop you with a penalty brake
@@trainsimulatordriver Thanks for answering once again! No, Sifa is turned off and no yellow ! popped up either. I think I braked too hard or something to slow down. I tried pushing the parking brake after being stopped for awhile, but that wasn't it either... I can make the red box appear and dissapear, but it has no effect on not moving forwards anymore. Do I need to pump the breaks up again? I don't see any controls for that in this model though :'(
@@Kenjitsuka did you go into emergency by pushing the brake lever all the way?
@@trainsimulatordriver This definitely happened to me a few times in the beginning! So now I am extra carefull to not go above 6 or 7.
Yesterday it seemed to happen even at just brake 1 or 2, meaning the red box appeared.
I think this means the train will throw up the red box when AFS is giving gas and I break slightly. But that's a different issue, because if I put throttle to zero the red box dissapears - as I think is logical- and I can keep going. Sometimes the train does die permanently though, and its making me paranoid.
How do I shift on ps4 controller it says to press L1 and another key but when I press L1 it just say train brake bypass in the ice 3
Assuming operational shift is like Xbox you'll need to press and hold L1 then the other key, let me know if that works, if it doesn't I'll hunt down an answer
@@trainsimulatordriver it doesn't work I've tried it multiple times it when I press L1 it just says train brake bypass on the ice 3
@@Anonymus695 ok I'll go hunting, I have to say the info is not easy to find... I've got a PS4 key if I have to I'll install it to find out lol
@@trainsimulatordriver thank you I took a peak into the control settings and it does show that L1 should be the operational shift but when I press it in the train it decreases the brake for example when I press it in the ice 3 it just says train brake bypass and when I combine L1 with another key nothing happens it only says train brake bypass
@@Anonymus695 I've just finished the war with my old PS4 and reset it and it's now downloading the game... Four hours apparently lol. PSN is soooooooo slow
What does 500hz mean
Its a magnet in the track. It lets you know that there is a red signal ahead and you need to keep going slow.
Ahh thx for info
😃
@@ninahuang9588 you're welcome
How do I turn the passenger lights on
as far as I know they are automatic, I just jumped into a service and they were on
@@trainsimulatordriver strange, I'm on Xbox series X and every time they have been off. Thanks for the fast response as well.
@@whitworthlime8793 are you looking in from outside or going inside to check?
@@trainsimulatordriver both, I started looking in from the window then went into them after starting the train up and they still weren't on.
@@trainsimulatordriver I think they are automatic and come on in tunnels, just did a run now.
Can anybody translate the PZB Acknowledge Call-out?
Let me ask
And the answer is " in German it says Zugbeeinflussung, english would be something like Train influencing but the term "influence" is quite inprecise I think "Train Interaction" would fit better as translation" thanks to Sebastian for the answer 😃