I just purchased a valjoux 88 that was sitting in a safe for 10 years. First thing i did when i recieved it was to have it serviced. Too rare of a movement to monkey around. I did think about those oils. Put me back almost $2600 but had to be done. Not every watchmaker has the proficiency to work on a Valjoux 88 nor have parts. So you have to pay a premium. He also reapplied the straight graining on the levers and changed out all of the screws. Probably the most beautiful watch in my collection. Resembles the Patek Philippe 2499
@johnnyarsenault9124 You can see a video of the type if watch if you do a you tube search for valjoux 88 and it will be the only baume and mercier in 18k.
Nicely said Alix... Similarly watch collections with so many watches (50+) that the majority of the watches sit there for years unworn Another reason why I limit my collection to a maximum of around 8 watches...for me its more practical in the real world usage Great video brother..cheers
It is an issue with all watches to some extent, one of the issues I see is spiraling service costs having a Rolex serviced for $500-1000 is one thing because the watch is valuable but as you down the chain it gets harder to justify you buy a Glycine for 350 at Costco and the watchmaker wants 150 maybe even $250 to service it now it's a decision. Some of the Japanese brands can stretch out their service intervals. The best thing a collector can do is network with other collectors and build a relationship with a watchmaker in their area work direct and pay in cash remember the money you save is times the number of watches in your collection. Buy a timegrapher and professional case tools. I service my own watches but I don't touch my Rolexes or other high end watches. But a 2836, 7750, NH35 I'll do it's a relaxing hobby plus now we have watchmakers teaching us online for free or very little money via Patreon or membership which I'm happy to give.
I started collecting this yr, I've always had a watch since my tenth birthday. Never even understood why you wouldn't wear one,it says where you are in you're life. I'm not a millionaire but can afford a nice piece every now & then. I keep 7 watches,one for everyday of the week. I have a good variety but the best is yet to come.
To me, the no date black sub is the least flashiest Rolex and would be the one I would get if I was in the market for a Rolex. It seems to fly under the radar.
lots of people bought more watches than they can wear , including myself .Its just the fact that every watches used or even "new" one which had been sitting on the shelf for more than years
I'm guilty of this as well and have often tried to wrap my head around why this is given I'll often spend up to a year searching for the model I want, then finally get it, and then it goes directly in the safe after a few days of wearing it. Maybe it's that many of us were not born in money? Or just feel uncomfortable wearing an expensive time piece daily? Or maybe it's like gold and we think in hard times it's backup money idk. I will say for me at least since I'm drawn to more vintage and neo vintage Rolex model, regardless of the stated service if without paperwork, I assume a service will be required.
I used to have 4 rolexes but now I just end up with 1 which is the 126660DBlue. I love them but I just dont wear them anymore. So I start collecting timepieces that speaks to me like omega with real story behind the timepiece. Nowadays you dont wear watch to tell the time, I wear watch to tell a story instead.
I just got into watch collecting. I've loved watches since I was young but I never had anyone teach me or bring deeper into the world. amzwatch brought closer to a community and hobby I always wanted to get into more and that is incredibly meaningful to me !
Modern synthetic lubricants make this much less of an issue today than previously. Older mineral-based oils present in vintage watches can be effectively removed with modern cleaning techniques and then replaced with more stable synthetic lubricants. That said, I feel that vintage pieces often suffer far more damage due to improper storage and exposure to humidity and moisture ingression.
I own a 50 year old Vostok Amphibia Botchka, how is moisture and humidity supposed to get inside it? Why would it need servicing as you just open it up and regulate it yourself?
@@andrewallen9993 Ask Sinn why they put a dessicant inside their harsh-environment watches. Every time you pull out the crown you expose the movement to environmental moisture. Not to mention microparticles from friction if the movement. But feel free to just think I'm meticulous and overly concerned.
@@TalkingTimepieces if I wanted an extremely accurate watch I would wear a digital. As an engineer I appreciate clever engineering which is why I wear a Vostok :)
@@andrewallen9993 I work in embedded electronics myself, mechanical watches have more to do with style, art, and craft. Would a car collector service their vehicles at the extreme end of the suggested maintenance cycle? Why should I take the maintenance of a five-figure investment lightly?
I have a 1921 Illinois Bunn Special that keeps almost as good time as my Omega Speedmaster 3861, or Seamaster 8800, after a timing washer was installed, cannon pinion tightened and a cleaning and lubrication. I like my Seiko Mickey Mouse watch and my G Shock.
I don't have any safe queens, they all get worn................then again I don't have watches that cost thousands of $$$ to put in a safe............lol!!
I haven’t ever bought a Rolex pre-owned, however I have been looking at two-tone datejust on eBay. Not sure if i should just go to a watch dealer in person.
obviously when purchasing auto's, servicing is an integral part of ownership. I'm seeing ppl who impulse purchase without the resources or wherewithal to do just that... they may receive it as a grad gift or decide to treat themselves and empty the bank on a new Panerai. ,while working nightshift at McDonalds. I'm older now, near retirement, and own a couple auto's, but mostly solar quartz'.no beat error checks, time graphs, no regulations, servicing or out of left field movement stops for whatever reason. i can trust them with my life literally, while an auto is more temperamental. somehow tho aficionados are obsessed with century old technology , lol i get it but it isn't practical, nostalgic maybe
Have been watching TH-cam videos about watches for many years and on very few occasions someone have talked about the importance of lubrication and even less about the storage of the piece may have deleterious consequences upon the piece.
Hey Alix. Just acquired my paperback version of your novel "Cyberchild" (from Amazon). Wow, looks like it's going to be a fun read! We're having a "July cool down" here in Oklahoma with much cooler temps, lots of rain....perfect to stay inside and enjoy a good book.
Hyper clones prevent me from buying on the 2nd hand but since they so good and I’ve been on waiting list for 4 years now I’m seriously considering a hyperclone….lol
I think many of the issues in this video is overthinking it. Seriously modern oil are very good and much better than they used to be. My tip is to get a timegrapher and learn to use it. In my experience as long as the amplitude is what it should be I would not service a watch even if I knew it had limited use over for example 10-20 years. I have over 60 watches but only use maybe 20 of them on a daily basis. If I decide to use a watch which I know would benefit for a service for example one day for a wedding I will do that, with the knowledge that I will not harm the movement. What really harm watches is moisture, rough handling that could scratch and shock that could damage the movement. Plus of course ham fisted attempt to clean and "repair". I have got watches that I know for certain has not been serviced for over 20 years but still perform very well both on timekeeping and amplitude. Don't make this more of a problem then it is, be aware of it yes but that should be it.
I always wonder what happens to the over 1 million watches rolex manufactures every year if I can't even get my local AD to sell me a new datejust. Shouldn't we be tripping over these watches in the street if they're making that many?
I have the coins to buy Rolex watches but I just can’t get myself to pull the trigger. To me the arguments just make no sense anymore. Not when a Seiko NH35 is $30. Or when you can get a column wheel mechanical chrono with sapphire sandwich for $150 on Aliexpress.
Rolex does have better finishing and are more accurate and reliable. They are admittedly priced at twice what they are worth, but so are all luxury goods (if you are lucky). They are also a fungible good you can wear and use daily
@@TalkingTimepiecesthere has been a few people now that have put rolex under a macro and san martin under a macro amd the san martin is far superior to the rolex finishing. I think you along with many other arw fooled by the rolex name and thinking its something it really actually isn't
I wind my watches at least once every two weeks. Hope this is enough. If not, so be it. Will be my children’s responsibility to either get them serviced or sell them when I am gone.
The market for speculation has certainly shrunk, but the for real collectors it hasn't changed that much. The only brands that really ballooned were Rolex and the Triumvirate
One of the top watchmakers in the US addressed this issue in an interview with Teddy Baldassare. He said you only need to wind watches one or two times a year. He also said he had watches which hadn’t been serviced for a lot longer that 7 years and they work just fine.
@@TalkingTimepieces I guess so, yes. It was worn as a daily every day for all those years. The services changed out gaskets, screws and reapplied loom.
None of these Rolex watches are nearly worth the price, but when people are paying ridiculous prices you can’t blame them for selling them at such a high price
That's true w/ many things, I like classic cars too & the same applys. Uber rich people (ballers) drive up prices like crazy. I always wanted a suicide door early 60s Lincoln. Ten yrs ago they could be had for 20k. Everyone found them in movies like Entourage & now they can go for as much as 300k. That's crazy
Very helpful video Alix thank you!
I just purchased a valjoux 88 that was sitting in a safe for 10 years. First thing i did when i recieved it was to have it serviced. Too rare of a movement to monkey around. I did think about those oils. Put me back almost $2600 but had to be done. Not every watchmaker has the proficiency to work on a Valjoux 88 nor have parts. So you have to pay a premium. He also reapplied the straight graining on the levers and changed
out all of the screws. Probably the most beautiful watch in my collection. Resembles the Patek Philippe 2499
Very nice, thanks for the cool story!
Just by the description it must be a beauty! 😍
@@johnnyarsenault9124
This is the Valjoux 88 B&M that I own.
th-cam.com/video/s4tdvNPsUhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=upN449619LsmpczW
@johnnyarsenault9124
You can see a video of the type if watch if you do a you tube search for valjoux 88 and it will be the only baume and mercier in 18k.
Nicely said Alix...
Similarly watch collections with so many watches (50+) that the majority of the watches sit there for years unworn
Another reason why I limit my collection to a maximum of around 8 watches...for me its more practical in the real world usage
Great video brother..cheers
Glad you enjoyed it!!
The problem of watches just sitting are paralleled in cars. Maybe some watches should be shipped with stabilizing gel instead of lubricant.
Airkings are pure shiters.
It is an issue with all watches to some extent, one of the issues I see is spiraling service costs having a Rolex serviced for $500-1000 is one thing because the watch is valuable but as you down the chain it gets harder to justify you buy a Glycine for 350 at Costco and the watchmaker wants 150 maybe even $250 to service it now it's a decision. Some of the Japanese brands can stretch out their service intervals.
The best thing a collector can do is network with other collectors and build a relationship with a watchmaker in their area work direct and pay in cash remember the money you save is times the number of watches in your collection. Buy a timegrapher and professional case tools. I service my own watches but I don't touch my Rolexes or other high end watches. But a 2836, 7750, NH35 I'll do it's a relaxing hobby plus now we have watchmakers teaching us online for free or very little money via Patreon or membership which I'm happy to give.
Good advice
I started collecting this yr, I've always had a watch since my tenth birthday. Never even understood why you wouldn't wear one,it says where you are in you're life. I'm not a millionaire but can afford a nice piece every now & then. I keep 7 watches,one for everyday of the week. I have a good variety but the best is yet to come.
Exactly!
I have only one seiko 5 double hurricane just bought it, thz for ur content. Love it.
To me, the no date black sub is the least flashiest Rolex and would be the one I would get if I was in the market for a Rolex. It seems to fly under the radar.
Agreed!
lots of people bought more watches than they can wear , including myself .Its just the fact that every watches used or even "new" one which had been sitting on the shelf for more than years
One argument for a winder, run it once a month or so
Who carez. Its a watch😂 nothing is perfect
@@kennethkirklin6959most collectors care a lot about watches, you do you.
@TalkingTimepieces yeah im not a collector. Thanks for the advice.
@@kennethkirklin6959 you are welcome
I'm guilty of this as well and have often tried to wrap my head around why this is given I'll often spend up to a year searching for the model I want, then finally get it, and then it goes directly in the safe after a few days of wearing it. Maybe it's that many of us were not born in money? Or just feel uncomfortable wearing an expensive time piece daily? Or maybe it's like gold and we think in hard times it's backup money idk. I will say for me at least since I'm drawn to more vintage and neo vintage Rolex model, regardless of the stated service if without paperwork, I assume a service will be required.
It's like Toy Story, the watches are crying to be worn, and miss you. Even expensive pieces were meant to be worn regularly.
I used to have 4 rolexes but now I just end up with 1 which is the 126660DBlue. I love them but I just dont wear them anymore. So I start collecting timepieces that speaks to me like omega with real story behind the timepiece. Nowadays you dont wear watch to tell the time, I wear watch to tell a story instead.
That's the ticket!
I just got into watch collecting. I've loved watches since I was young but I never had anyone teach me or bring deeper into the world. amzwatch brought closer to a community and hobby I always wanted to get into more and that is incredibly meaningful to me !
Modern synthetic lubricants make this much less of an issue today than previously. Older mineral-based oils present in vintage watches can be effectively removed with modern cleaning techniques and then replaced with more stable synthetic lubricants. That said, I feel that vintage pieces often suffer far more damage due to improper storage and exposure to humidity and moisture ingression.
You're good for about 6~8 years with synthetics, IMO. How the watch is stored is very important, as you point out
I own a 50 year old Vostok Amphibia Botchka, how is moisture and humidity supposed to get inside it? Why would it need servicing as you just open it up and regulate it yourself?
@@andrewallen9993 Ask Sinn why they put a dessicant inside their harsh-environment watches. Every time you pull out the crown you expose the movement to environmental moisture. Not to mention microparticles from friction if the movement. But feel free to just think I'm meticulous and overly concerned.
@@TalkingTimepieces if I wanted an extremely accurate watch I would wear a digital. As an engineer I appreciate clever engineering which is why I wear a Vostok :)
@@andrewallen9993 I work in embedded electronics myself, mechanical watches have more to do with style, art, and craft. Would a car collector service their vehicles at the extreme end of the suggested maintenance cycle? Why should I take the maintenance of a five-figure investment lightly?
I have a 1921 Illinois Bunn Special that keeps almost as good time as my Omega Speedmaster 3861, or Seamaster 8800, after a timing washer was installed, cannon pinion tightened and a cleaning and lubrication. I like my Seiko Mickey Mouse watch and my G Shock.
Good maintenance is critical!!
It always amazes me how much beauty and precision are added to the parts of MaMaCoo 's watch 99% of people will never see.
I don't have any safe queens, they all get worn................then again I don't have watches that cost thousands of $$$ to put in a safe............lol!!
I haven’t ever bought a Rolex pre-owned, however I have been looking at two-tone datejust on eBay. Not sure if i should just go to a watch dealer in person.
Always go in person if you can
A watch is made for wearing just as a car is for driving. I understand the collector side but how could you not want to wear it & care for it?
Some people just don't think about it, sadly
obviously when purchasing auto's, servicing is an integral part of ownership. I'm seeing ppl who impulse purchase without the resources or wherewithal to do just that... they may receive it as a grad gift or decide to treat themselves and empty the bank on a new Panerai. ,while working nightshift at McDonalds.
I'm older now, near retirement, and own a couple auto's, but mostly solar quartz'.no beat error checks, time graphs, no regulations, servicing or out of left field movement stops for whatever reason.
i can trust them with my life literally, while an auto is more temperamental.
somehow tho aficionados are obsessed with century old technology , lol i get it
but it isn't practical, nostalgic maybe
The nice thing about a mechanical device is as long as it is maintained, it will function for several lifetimes reliably, cars or watches.
Is the Cartier tank must large face a good buy ?
Yes, if you buy it used. I have a Santos XL chrono myself.
instally subscribed when I saw the rotary in the background.
horology and rotaries are two of my favourite things.
Watches and cars!
Have been watching TH-cam videos about watches for many years and on very few occasions someone have talked about the importance of lubrication and even less about the storage of the piece may have deleterious consequences upon the piece.
Run that Mercedes 10 years without an oil change!
Hey Alix. Just acquired my paperback version of your novel "Cyberchild" (from Amazon). Wow, looks like it's going to be a fun read! We're having a "July cool down" here in Oklahoma with much cooler temps, lots of rain....perfect to stay inside and enjoy a good book.
Wow, cool! Let me know what you think!
Hyper clones prevent me from buying on the 2nd hand but since they so good and I’ve been on waiting list for 4 years now I’m seriously considering a hyperclone….lol
If you buy from a trusted dealer, you'll be fine
I bought the tools to open watches, and the gasket greaser. The clones are just too good to risk not opening the watch.
@@unclejoe6811 best way to check
I think many of the issues in this video is overthinking it. Seriously modern oil are very good and much better than they used to be. My tip is to get a timegrapher and learn to use it. In my experience as long as the amplitude is what it should be I would not service a watch even if I knew it had limited use over for example 10-20 years. I have over 60 watches but only use maybe 20 of them on a daily basis. If I decide to use a watch which I know would benefit for a service for example one day for a wedding I will do that, with the knowledge that I will not harm the movement. What really harm watches is moisture, rough handling that could scratch and shock that could damage the movement. Plus of course ham fisted attempt to clean and "repair". I have got watches that I know for certain has not been serviced for over 20 years but still perform very well both on timekeeping and amplitude. Don't make this more of a problem then it is, be aware of it yes but that should be it.
Thanks for the feedback.
I really enjoy your channel. Interesting, educational and relaxing. Thank you 🙂.
Thank you very much!
Hey Alix, I missed the live stream, but will be watching in rerun!
I love the air king even though most over look it.
Where were the wall clocks purchased?
Online: wclocks.com/rolex-wall-clocks
@@TalkingTimepiecesmerci...!👌🥰
Service is important so is the person that does the maintenance
True dat
Sometime I think my Sub is too flashy. Then I wear my Minnie Mouse watch. Lol.
That's what a collection is for, diversity!
I always wonder what happens to the over 1 million watches rolex manufactures every year if I can't even get my local AD to sell me a new datejust. Shouldn't we be tripping over these watches in the street if they're making that many?
Too many dealers hoard
@@Pler1978 Do they though?
TRUE NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THAT!!!!
I have the coins to buy Rolex watches but I just can’t get myself to pull the trigger. To me the arguments just make no sense anymore. Not when a Seiko NH35 is $30. Or when you can get a column wheel mechanical chrono with sapphire sandwich for $150 on Aliexpress.
Rolex does have better finishing and are more accurate and reliable. They are admittedly priced at twice what they are worth, but so are all luxury goods (if you are lucky). They are also a fungible good you can wear and use daily
@@TalkingTimepiecesthere has been a few people now that have put rolex under a macro and san martin under a macro amd the san martin is far superior to the rolex finishing. I think you along with many other arw fooled by the rolex name and thinking its something it really actually isn't
@@reesebroekhoven3962 you should buy the watch you feel is the best value, San Martin makes a decent watch
@@Pler1978 Dude, you keep answering the same non sense.
Synthetic oils do not break down over time. If a watch is running, wear is happening no matter what.
You are correct on the latter issue.
This makes me want to buy a watchwinder and once a month or every two months put each watch on it.
I wind my watches at least once every two weeks. Hope this is enough. If not, so be it. Will be my children’s responsibility to either get them serviced or sell them when I am gone.
That helps
Great video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!!!!!
Remember fire proof safes are not actually fire proof
They are fire resistant. Mine is rated for a half hour of exposure
I keep hearing other TH-camrs say the watch market is dead. Is that your assessment too? Just curious.
Don't listen to TH-camrs. Look for yourself. It's clear as day.
The market for speculation has certainly shrunk, but the for real collectors it hasn't changed that much. The only brands that really ballooned were Rolex and the Triumvirate
One of the top watchmakers in the US addressed this issue in an interview with Teddy Baldassare.
He said you only need to wind watches one or two times a year.
He also said he had watches which hadn’t been serviced for a lot longer that 7 years and they work just fine.
Send me the link please, just post it here
@@TalkingTimepieces th-cam.com/video/23JVzXqKWz4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LmEEI369xmbRQKIA
Never buy Safe Queens😆
Hey good video. Makes mechanical sense. Things need to be exercised and mainsprings need to be cycled. I subscribed.
Thanks, glad you like the show!!
hi alex, do u watch boxing?
Sometimes
@@TalkingTimepieces The correct answer was: "No, I box watches."
@@bloodymarvelous4790 sure
Too much materialism
Good point
❤
A mass produced watch no watches an investment😅😅😂😂😂
I say that often. Tgey hold value, but are not an investment in any real sense
My father's IWC Ingenieur 866AD from 1970 which I inherited in 2018 has only been serviced twice in 54 years and has never ever had any issues.
You've been lucky with it, congrats
@@TalkingTimepieces I guess so, yes. It was worn as a daily every day for all those years. The services changed out gaskets, screws and reapplied loom.
When people are saying #amzwatch is a better option for buying a watch,I very much agree!
Not familiar with it, do you have a link?
@@TalkingTimepieces It's a scam. The guy, using sock puppets, posts a similar slug on all the watch videos.
None of these Rolex watches are nearly worth the price, but when people are paying ridiculous prices you can’t blame them for selling them at such a high price
Supply and demand
That's true w/ many things, I like classic cars too & the same applys. Uber rich people (ballers) drive up prices like crazy. I always wanted a suicide door early 60s Lincoln. Ten yrs ago they could be had for 20k. Everyone found them in movies like Entourage & now they can go for as much as 300k. That's crazy
@@richardmorris7063 sadly
Like anything, a watch is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it in the marketplace.