My grandfather was on the Research and design research and design team for IH for the 1440 model. Always showed him this video. He passed away Monday and now I watch this video brings a tear to me now.
I remember when these came out and John Deere said they would never work and never sell ( LOL) and that John Deere would never build a rotary combine. (LOL). We were running a IH 915 at the time.
Yeah makes ya wonder why did IH not withstand the crisis in the 80’s? Was it because they forced farm equipment dealers to stock and sell their goofy departure into the appliance business? Was it their construction equipment line that wasn’t ever a real player in the construction business? Was it the gas turbine business that obviously they knew nothing about? They had well over 50% of the market share on ag tractors and Ag equipment when times were good. Was it the lack of r&d that gave the company a huge black eye in the public’s opinion with the 60 series debacle? Was it a lack of customer faith? Was it the negative publicity of getting caught red handed so to speak at literally copying John Deere’s patent on adjustable row spacing Deere had on its new corn head in 1970 only to have a federal judge find IH was guilty of copying the Deere design piece by piece thus awarding Deere $28 million dollars in damages for (as the court out it) “an exceptional case of willful infringement “. These are the facts. It isn’t a bunch of so and so said this and blah blah blah. Deere dominated the combine market share with the simple and dependable 6600 model combine. IH never came close to the sales Deere had with that machine. You can be first to the public with whatever idea is the next best thing but if you’re in a hurry and don’t take the time to test, then retest and rethink and design changes any little possible window where error might happen... well you get plant closures, butt hurt customers, a bruised ego, ya have to swallow your pride and share what little ya have left with some other guys who ya don’t really like to begin with and eventually all your money is going overseas to company’s so strange and different then speak languages you don’t understand... things get real ugly real quick.
interman 77 Seems to me Deere set the fuel economy record then broke its own record again and again and again with these “primitive backwards” as you put it Two-Cylinder design... guess I can say this ... Never once heard of a 21 million dollar factory recall on any Deere tractors due to incompetence and poor design. Let’s look at the facts. Rush those 60 series out the door as fast as possible! They obviously didn’t even test the piles of crap if bull gears were failing after 50 hours of heavy use. Although it took Deere almost 7 years of designing testing and research before they rolled out the New Generation of Power, they did it right! Recalls= bad. Closed center hydraulics= supremely good!!!
I kinda laught remembering back in the day when I worked at a caseih dealer. jd bad mouthed the rotor combine,and the cyclo air planter. guess it wasn't to bad.
Yet John Deere was first to develop it!! They had the patent for it in 1962, IH had their patents in 1966. talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=208224&DisplayType=flat
Sorry to say but when Deere came out with the 20 series combines that had better controls and features plus header options that's when I seen which combine was best I bought a 7720 and it was the best combine I ever owned
Alan They eventually copied IHC after they realized how good the rotary was ,all Jd do is copy everybody else when they know it's a safe bet ,even the 7700 ,8800 series were copied off MASSEY.
@@interman7715 They bought a IHC Axial Flow test combine, before they released them. IHC didn't have the money to take deere to court, so when the patents expired, what do you know, deere comes out with a rotary.
Yet not original to IH, John Deere developed this technology and never used it. I do not remember how IH obtained the design from JD. The video is very misleading about IH "break through technology" !! talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=208224&DisplayType=flat
My grandfather was on the Research and design research and design team for IH for the 1440 model. Always showed him this video. He passed away Monday and now I watch this video brings a tear to me now.
I am sorry for your loss.. But the memorys live on.
I remember when these came out and John Deere said they would never work and never sell ( LOL) and that John Deere would never build a rotary combine. (LOL). We were running a IH 915 at the time.
Ben Coming from a backward company that ran two cylinder putt putts with hand clutches and pony engines till 1960 lol.
Funny thing is, John Deere is who developed this design.
@@guythattrolls Baldwins per other reply
Yeah makes ya wonder why did IH not withstand the crisis in the 80’s? Was it because they forced farm equipment dealers to stock and sell their goofy departure into the appliance business? Was it their construction equipment line that wasn’t ever a real player in the construction business? Was it the gas turbine business that obviously they knew nothing about? They had well over 50% of the market share on ag tractors and Ag equipment when times were good. Was it the lack of r&d that gave the company a huge black eye in the public’s opinion with the 60 series debacle? Was it a lack of customer faith? Was it the negative publicity of getting caught red handed so to speak at literally copying John Deere’s patent on adjustable row spacing Deere had on its new corn head in 1970 only to have a federal judge find IH was guilty of copying the Deere design piece by piece thus awarding Deere $28 million dollars in damages for (as the court out it) “an exceptional case of willful infringement “. These are the facts. It isn’t a bunch of so and so said this and blah blah blah. Deere dominated the combine market share with the simple and dependable 6600 model combine. IH never came close to the sales Deere had with that machine. You can be first to the public with whatever idea is the next best thing but if you’re in a hurry and don’t take the time to test, then retest and rethink and design changes any little possible window where error might happen... well you get plant closures, butt hurt customers, a bruised ego, ya have to swallow your pride and share what little ya have left with some other guys who ya don’t really like to begin with and eventually all your money is going overseas to company’s so strange and different then speak languages you don’t understand... things get real ugly real quick.
interman 77 Seems to me Deere set the fuel economy record then broke its own record again and again and again with these “primitive backwards” as you put it Two-Cylinder design... guess I can say this ... Never once heard of a 21 million dollar factory recall on any Deere tractors due to incompetence and poor design. Let’s look at the facts. Rush those 60 series out the door as fast as possible! They obviously didn’t even test the piles of crap if bull gears were failing after 50 hours of heavy use. Although it took Deere almost 7 years of designing testing and research before they rolled out the New Generation of Power, they did it right! Recalls= bad. Closed center hydraulics= supremely good!!!
My cousin bought one of the first 1460s brand new ,it is still working.
My cousin and I are still farming with our fleet of 1470 hillcos
Their older then the two of us combined but they work like new
I still find this a very useful message today!
A modern thoroughbred from this Stud Yard is still holding the IH banner at my N°1 for harvesters from the 1460-present CNH Co-Op...
Interesting seeing the old style unloading auger in the prototype at the end.
Looked like they were copying the Gleaner with that unload.
The only reason why TENECO bought the AG division in nov 84 was these combines!
I had a 1420, didn't know what they looked like without all the tin removed.
At 5:55, it is WEIRD to see that angled unloading auger on an axial flow!
Thank you for sharing this!
If IH would of kept this momentum going forward through the 80s they probably would of made it and still be around today
Unions killed ih
The newer versions of these combines are still being built. They still work with the same principles. 9240, 9250, etc.
@@tjfarmer9380Bad management killed IH. The presence of a union is the prime indicator of bad management.
My 1420 is still kicking ass!
The first combine I ever rode in was an IH 1480
DAMN fine machine.
Greatest company ever.
first combine i rode in was a 1480 IH
Mine was a 1420 IH
IHC engineering was years ahead of any competitors
IH scared the shit out of JD in the 70s
@@guythattrolls oh yes they did deere could,nt figure out around patent right,s
and the rest is history took green weanie lohg enough to catch on
And now all brands copy a 70s design made by International 💪
Not copied every brand different same concept but different engineering
I kinda laught remembering back in the day when I worked at a caseih dealer. jd bad mouthed the rotor combine,and the cyclo air planter. guess it wasn't to bad.
Brian Sutton Yeah and the cyclo left their planter for dead.
Yet John Deere was first to develop it!! They had the patent for it in 1962, IH had their patents in 1966. talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=208224&DisplayType=flat
The max emerge was better though
The cyclo planters were a joke!!! The corn wasn't evenly planted! You could drive down the road and tell what fields were planted by them
Next time you brag about how much Deere is better… Deere uses an ih design for their combines.
on our farm we where the first people to run a axial flow combine
le tibert potato co minto nd
at 3:35 that video is on our farm
@@Drew-in-NoDak really?
First combine I drove was a 1440
Mine was a 715
IHC 👍
If Deere developed it why didnt they finish it obviously they couldnt make it work like an IH
Sounds like Ronald Reagan
I wondered that as well.
It actually does!
He is from Illinois and wow he talks just like that I doubt if it's him but it sounds identical.
Cool video, butt they definitely where lying about handling wet stocks.
🌾👍
Is that voice Ronald Reagan?
Sorry to say but when Deere came out with the 20 series combines that had better controls and features plus header options that's when I seen which combine was best I bought a 7720 and it was the best combine I ever owned
Alan They eventually copied IHC after they realized how good the rotary was ,all Jd do is copy everybody else when they know it's a safe bet ,even the 7700 ,8800 series were copied off MASSEY.
@@interman7715 They bought a IHC Axial Flow test combine, before they released them. IHC didn't have the money to take deere to court, so when the patents expired, what do you know, deere comes out with a rotary.
@@J-1410 I guess because the design was originally Deere's.
@@guythattrolls the design was originally patented by the Baldwin's in the 1910s-1930s.
@@J-1410 Can you provide a link for it, I can not find it. Or provide the patent # if you do not mind.
Yet not original to IH, John Deere developed this technology and never used it. I do not remember how IH obtained the design from JD. The video is very misleading about IH "break through technology" !! talk.newagtalk.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=208224&DisplayType=flat
that jd patent has a conventional threshing cylinder the rotary part only replaced the straw walkers, jd did eventually copy the original ih design